Advertisement

We need your help now

Support from readers like you keeps The Journal open.

You are visiting us because we have something you value. Independent, unbiased news that tells the truth. Advertising revenue goes some way to support our mission, but this year it has not been enough.

If you've seen value in our reporting, please contribute what you can, so we can continue to produce accurate and meaningful journalism. For everyone who needs it.

" Leon Farrell/Photocall Ireland

FULL SPEECH: Minister for Health on what is wrong with Ireland's abortion laws

Leo Varadkar rules out ‘rushed referendum’.

LEO VARADKAR TOLD the Dáil last night that Ireland’s abortion laws are too restrictive.

While discussing Clare Daly’s bill to repeal the 8th Amendment in our constitution – which confers equal rights on the mother and the unborn – the Minister for Health said the current government should avoid the mistakes made by those in power in the 1980s.

Here is what he said, in full:

“Ceann Comhairle, the private members bill before the House tonight proposes to do two things. First, to delete the eighth amendment to the constitution and in so doing remove the constitutional right to life afforded both to the mother and the unborn child. Second, it proposes to insert a new provision acknowledging the citizen’s right to personal autonomy and bodily integrity.

It also affords us another opportunity to debate our abortion laws which I welcome. First of all, I am hopeful that we shall have a rational and measured debate tonight and tomorrow.

For too long, the debate on abortion has been dominated by the extremes on both sides who have in turn crowded out the middle ground. Instead of a genuine debate there has been name-calling, and a corrosiveness that has damaged how we approach this most difficult of issues.

I do not believe that one side is anti-life just because they call themselves pro-choice, any more than I believe that one side is rigidly anti-choice just because they call themselves pro-life.

Medicine and the human condition are coloured in grey and cannot be reduced to binary argument – black and white.  We need to approach this issue with compassion rather than with cold certainty.

So let us approach tonight’s debate in a new spirit.

Let us prove to those who have become disillusioned with the extremes of both sides – even with politics – but who know in their hearts what is right and what is just – that we can have a calm and measured debate, an exchange of views about what is right and wrong for women, the unborn, families and society.

Ceann Comhairle, often individual cases give rise to ethical and legal dilemmas that are very hard to resolve. I shall not mention any tonight but everyone in the House will be familiar with these cases or at least some of them.

One Year Anniversaries Savita Halappanavar Sam Boal / Photocall Ireland Sam Boal / Photocall Ireland / Photocall Ireland

Advocates on both sides in the debate often use such cases to advance their argument insisting that such should happen ‘never again’. That is a nonsense. No law can ever eliminate all human tragedy from human pregnancy. Countries with very conservative laws such as ours risk putting the lives of women at risk by refusing terminations.

Countries with very liberal laws do the same, allowing for the life of the unborn to be ended and exposing women to potential injury, loss of fertility and even death as a consequence of abortion. It is rare. But it does happen.

Dilemmas about late-term abortion when the unborn child or foetus is a 20, 22, 24, 26 weeks gestation occur in other jurisdictions. As do dilemmas about the viability of an unborn child, fatal foetal abnormalities and even disabilities that are compatible with life.

It is not just an Irish problem.

Every country and parliament grapples with these issues. We are not unique and there are no easy answers, nor a social consensus to which we can yet all agree.

We can never say ‘never again’ and think to mean it. We need to face up to that and be honest about it.

There is no perfect abortion law and never will be. We will always be challenged to amend and refine whatever law we have and so we should.

The proposal made in this bill asks us to acknowledge the right of all citizens to bodily integrity and personal autonomy. I think this proposal flawed.

It is not clear what the author intends by providing that the State will ‘acknowledge’ the rights of all citizens to autonomy and bodily integrity. The proposal is vague. It makes little sense to state that the State simply ‘acknowledges’ that rights exist. Usually once rights are acknowledged, the State then indicates how it intends to protect them.

For example, Article 40.3.3 as it currently reads provides that the State “acknowledges” the right to life of the unborn but it continues by stating that with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, the State guarantees in its laws to respect, and as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate that right. In other words, the State in Article 40.3.3 is doing more than acknowledging rights, it is also protecting them.

In the same vein, Article 42 the State “acknowledges” that the primary and natural educator of the child is the family, but it goes on to guarantee to respect the inalienable right and duty of parents to provide for the education of their children.

Again, in Article 43, the State “acknowledges” that man has a natural right to ownership of private property but again, Article 43 goes on to provide that the State “accordingly guarantees to pass no law attempting to abolish the right of private ownership….”.

In other words, there is little point in acknowledging a right without adding the specifics as to what the State is going to do to protect that right.

The language employed in Deputy’s proposal is opaque and unsure as to what it actually wants the State to do. These points are all the more important in the context of a Constitution, a document laying down the fundamental legal structure of the State.

Article 40.3.1 provides that the State guarantees in its laws to respect and, as far as practicable, to defend and vindicate the personal rights of citizens.  Specific rights are referred to in Article 40.3.2; these are the right to life, person, good name and property rights.

The judiciary has identified a number of additional personal rights arising from Article 40.3.1. One of these is the right to bodily integrity.

Another is the right to privacy, which has been recognised as an unenumerated personal right under Article 40.3.1.  Autonomy is related to privacy and the constitutional values of autonomy and self-determination have also been accepted by the courts as recognised by the Constitution. Thus autonomy and bodily integrity are personal rights already protected under the Constitution.

There for the proposed amendment contains rights that are already protected under our Constitution.

… If there is one thing that we have learnt from the mistakes of the past, it is that ambiguity in wording can be the source of terrible problems further down the line.

While I have no doubt about the Deputy’s sincerity in putting forward this amendment for inclusion in our constitution, I do not believe that she has given full thought or due regard to the law of unintended consequences, and I cannot support the inclusion on this wording in our constitution. So, to avoid repeating the mistakes of the past, this Government will not be supporting this bill.

Abortion Issues in Ireland Photocall Ireland Photocall Ireland

Indeed, it seems to me that the Deputies in favour of this, in not considering the effects and outcomes that could flow from their proposal, are perhaps making a similar misjudgement to those who sought the inclusion of the 8th amendment in our constitution back in 1983.

I doubt any of them thought that the effect of their actions would be, in fact, the creation of a constitutional right to a termination in certain circumstances. But that, is exactly what happened and indeed the Oireachtas legislated to codify and clarify that constitutional right only last year in the Protection of Life in Pregnancy Act.

Looking back to the early 1980s we had what Gene Kerrigan has called a ‘Moral Civil War’, as two opposing sides fought over principles they genuinely believed in. But there were no winners in this cultural civil war, only losers.  The result was a flawed amendment.

Just as damaging, as one of most perceptive commentators, Ann Marie Hourihane, has noted, reflecting on the events of 1983 exactly twenty years later, ‘one of the biggest results of the amendment was that parliamentary politics lost its thrust…’ The momentum came from outside of parliament, and she noted that: ‘The Dáil never got to grips with this’.

Such criticism is deeply wounding, and I would like to think that it is no longer correct.  On both sides of this House politicians care deeply about these issue, and want to see them resolved, even if we may disagree about best how to go about it.

I think in considering the eighth amendment, we should recall the words of some of the wise voices of the time.  The attorney general of the day, Peter Sutherland, was clear in his objections to the proposed wording, but unfortunately the Dáil voted against an alternative proposal.

In his 33-page memo to government he predicted all the problems that came to pass, and warned that ‘far from providing the protection and certainty which is sought by many of those who have advocated its adoption it will have a contrary effect’.

He recognised that the eighth amendment would ‘confuse doctors as to their responsibilities, and inhibit them from making decisions rather than assist them’.

Speaking in the Seanad on the 26 of May 1983, Mary Robinson attacked the amendment as something ‘so uncertain in its scope and so potentially contradictory in its meaning’ that it would be ‘so potentially damaging to existing practices in the area of family planning and medical treatment’.

How prophetic those words were and have turned out to be.

PRESIDENT MARY ROBINSON Photocall Ireland Photocall Ireland

Ceann Comhairle, last September, in this House, I was asked for my views on the eight amendment. I declined to give them at the time. Ministers for Health do not just represent their own private views, they are guardians of the nation’s healthcare, and must work to protect and safeguard all of its citizens. But perhaps people may be interested in where I am coming from.

I consider myself to be pro-life in that I accept that the unborn child is a human life with rights. I cannot, therefore, accept the view that it is a simple matter of choice. There are two lives involved in any pregnancy. For that reason, like most people in the country, I do not support abortion on request or on demand.

But I also know that this is an issue where there are few certainties, there can be a conflict of rights and difficult decisions have to be made every day, sometimes to save a life, sometimes because the quality of the lives involved also need to be considered.

I like to believe that I am a conviction politician, often definite, sometimes blunt but this is an issue that requires compassion and empathy, and not unshakeable certainty.  That was the mistake we made as a Dáil and a society in the 1980s, when we engaged in a simplification of politics to present this a straight choice between right or wrong, when human decisions are rarely so simple.

Speaking today as Minister for Health, and also as a medical doctor, and knowing now all that I do now, it is my considered view that the eighth amendment is too restrictive.

While it protects the right to life of the mother, it has no regard for her long-term health.  If a stroke, heart attack, epileptic seizure happens, perhaps resulting in permanent disability as a result, then that is acceptable under our laws. I don’t think that’s right.

Similarly, it forces couples to bring to term a child that has no chance of survival for long outside the womb if at all. Forcing them, against their own judgement, to explain for weeks and months to all enquirers that their baby is dead. I have been present at stillbirths. I know it can be handled well and sensitively but I do not believe anything is served by requiring women or couples to continue with such pregnancies should they not wish to do so when there is no chance of the baby surviving.

The eighth amendment continues to exert a chilling effect on doctors. Difficult decisions that should be made by women and their doctors, a couple or the next-of-kin where there is no capacity, and on the basis of best clinical practice, are now made on foot of legal advice. That isn’t how it should be.

But it is not my right to impose my own views on others, and the current Government has no electoral mandate to do so. This is not a decision that can be rushed. We are told that Civil War politics is now behind us. Perhaps we need to ensure that the politics of the ‘Moral Civil War’ are consigned to history as well.

I oppose this motion because although it is well-intended, it repeats the mistakes of the past, and replaces some old errors with some new ones.

Instead I propose that we have a considered and careful debate, and not attempt a ‘rush job’ referendum in the spring. We need a real debate and a genuine attempt to find a consensus.

The solution is not to create further moral and legal confusion but rather to try to come together to find a consensus, and in doing so we must first replace our old convictions with new compassion.

First published 16 December 11.45pm

Read: Leo Varadkar thinks our abortion laws are ‘too restrictive’

Readers like you are keeping these stories free for everyone...
A mix of advertising and supporting contributions helps keep paywalls away from valuable information like this article. Over 5,000 readers like you have already stepped up and support us with a monthly payment or a once-off donation.

Close
77 Comments
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute cryptodon
    Favourite cryptodon
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 5:40 PM

    Or maybe the entry fee is far too expensive

    583
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Bleurgh
    Favourite Bleurgh
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:47 PM

    @cryptodon: we go once a year and I find it good value of an entry price for a full day, we go for 9.30am and leave at 5pm. Buy tickets online and save a few quid. We bring a packed lunch, and ignore paid photos/toys/extras. The food there is too expensive and of bad quality.

    172
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Benny
    Favourite Benny
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 7:05 PM

    @Bleurgh: i bet they hate people like you

    123
    See 2 more replies ▾
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Chin Feeyin
    Favourite Chin Feeyin
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 8:51 PM

    @cryptodon: it’s not.

    5
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Hugh Gallagher
    Favourite Hugh Gallagher
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 10:15 PM

    @cryptodon: expensive and sh!te

    8
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Wade Wilson
    Favourite Wade Wilson
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 5:44 PM

    High rent is forcing people to stop doing thing which are not required to live. Restaurants, shops, and places like the zoo are going to be affected the current housing crisis.

    240
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Fergus O'Connor
    Favourite Fergus O'Connor
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:01 PM

    @bill2345: Well they will, but laugh away all you like pal.

    161
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute David Garland
    Favourite David Garland
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:03 PM

    @bill2345: It’s not just €16 if you’re a family of four or five, add on the food and it’s closer to €100 for a day out..

    143
    See 3 more replies ▾
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute sue
    Favourite sue
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:11 PM

    @bill2345: actually plenty of people can’t afford that. And it’s not only an individual ticket we are talking about. People tend to go with kids so it adds up quickly.

    Having said that, I do understand that taking care of the animals doesn’t come cheap. I do wonder though if they would make more profit of they had better kids and family rates.
    Or maybe do a kids go free month? Or a half price adults event?

    56
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute eoin carroll
    Favourite eoin carroll
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:38 PM

    @David Garland: pack your sandwiches

    14
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Lou
    Favourite Lou
    Report
    Oct 27th 2019, 7:54 AM

    @bill2345: David is correct, your a moron

    1
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Jeni Moriarty
    Favourite Jeni Moriarty
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 5:55 PM

    It’s a very expensive family day out, if it was more affordable I’d be there all the time

    155
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Clifford Brennan
    Favourite Clifford Brennan
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:03 PM

    @Jeni Moriarty: If you are near enough to be able to go frequently then an annual pass is great value.

    83
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute moneymaid
    Favourite moneymaid
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:47 PM

    @Clifford Brennan:
    The annual pass is fantastic value…..if you have €200 to spare.
    I’ve bought it many times and gotten great use out of it. I don’t have €200 spare at the moment so I don’t have the annual pass.
    Perhaps if there was a monthly direct debit option to pay for it more people might avail.

    63
    See 2 more replies ▾
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Robert Mc Manus
    Favourite Robert Mc Manus
    Report
    Oct 26th 2019, 3:37 AM

    @moneymaid: hi Melbourne Zoo adult membership is $108 per adult can be be paid monthly and members child get free admission

    6
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Jeni Moriarty
    Favourite Jeni Moriarty
    Report
    Oct 26th 2019, 7:16 AM

    @Clifford Brennan: actually not a bad idea, think I’ll ask santy, he’s sound like that

    2
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Lien Lynch
    Favourite Lien Lynch
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:18 PM

    Seriously? The Popes visit? Phoenix Park was cordoned off for ONE day but yet had an impact on the Zoo’s profit. How about for a change blaming the price of the entry ticket

    158
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Rochelle
    Favourite Rochelle
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:38 PM

    @Lien Lynch: It says in the article they had to shut for 3 days because of it. No business for 3 days in the middle of both the tourism season and kids summer holidays would be absolutely devastating for a zoo.

    76
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Susanne Morgan
    Favourite Susanne Morgan
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:40 PM

    @Lien Lynch: Phoenix Park was closed off for more than one day (perhaps only after the first roundabout, I’m not sure). The Zoo and the visitor’s centre missed out on business in the last week of the summer holidays, which is normally a very busy time. I commented to friends at the time, that I thought both should be getting some compensation from the church.

    41
    See 6 more replies ▾
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Lien Lynch
    Favourite Lien Lynch
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 7:40 PM

    @Rochelle: they didn’t close for 3 days, the article might say that and believe that if you will

    5
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Neil O'Sullivan
    Favourite Neil O'Sullivan
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 7:56 PM

    @Lien Lynch: it was closed for 3 days, just look at their twitter for August 2018 and you’ll see them telling people they were closed Saturday to Monday inclusive.

    18
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Martin Harte
    Favourite Martin Harte
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 7:57 PM

    @Lien Lynch: OK, since you know how long they closed for exactly, do tell us?

    7
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Lien Lynch
    Favourite Lien Lynch
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 8:48 PM

    @Martin Harte: one day, I said that earlier! Are you not able to read?

    5
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Lien Lynch
    Favourite Lien Lynch
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 8:55 PM

    @Rochelle: the popes visit was the end of August which means it wasn’t the “middle” of the kids summer holidays, if that was the case the kids would be going back to school in october. Also the day of the Papal mass there was torrential rain. If the Papal mass did not take place do you think hoardes of families would still have went to the zoo that day?

    12
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Mick Curtin
    Favourite Mick Curtin
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 9:05 PM

    @Lien Lynch: Brexit explains everything.

    5
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Johnny Conway
    Favourite Johnny Conway
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 5:58 PM

    The junkies shooting up outside the gates under the trees wouldn’t help…

    86
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Tom Kelly
    Favourite Tom Kelly
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:00 PM

    5 extra staff cost €500,000 !!
    Wow

    71
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Stephen Curry
    Favourite Stephen Curry
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:04 PM

    @Tom Kelly: it’s their new local wildlife attraction

    13
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Vocal Outrage
    Favourite Vocal Outrage
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 7:08 PM

    @Tom Kelly: if those 5 happened to be vets that’s quite plausible, even more junior appointments may cost that much when you factor in not just salary but employer PRSI and pension contributions.

    33
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute
    Favourite
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:34 PM

    Seems a bit odd to have a 70% decrease in profits but have less than 9% drop in visitors. Have their costs jumped up a lot too?

    45
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Random_paddy
    Favourite Random_paddy
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:03 PM

    It’s too hard to see most of the animals in Dublin zoo compared to other zoos in Europe

    31
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Chin Feeyin
    Favourite Chin Feeyin
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:28 PM

    @Random_paddy: What?

    26
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute brendan H
    Favourite brendan H
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:58 PM

    @Chin Feeyin: Random paddy is right, they designed it so the animals like the silver back gorilla can have a choice to be seen or not,like in their natural habitat. Elephants are given the choice to amongst others.

    30
    See 3 more replies ▾
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute colm connolly
    Favourite colm connolly
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 7:25 PM

    @Random_paddy: that’s the point so the animals have there own choice, have you ever been to london zoo ,I’ve never been so depressed leaving a tourist attraction before

    20
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Pseud O'Nym
    Favourite Pseud O'Nym
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 7:30 PM

    @Random_paddy: yeah you’re right. They should have them in much, much smaller cages where we can at least see them.

    19
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Alan Biddulph
    Favourite Alan Biddulph
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 8:58 PM

    @Random_paddy: If you like animals that’s a good thing, if you want to see animals up close I suggest you go to a pet shop or watch Attenborough.

    8
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute stephen darling
    Favourite stephen darling
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:31 PM

    Here’s a tip round up all the loose horses running around Dublin. That should feed the lions tigers and bears for years to come. Think of the savings.

    28
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Peter99
    Favourite Peter99
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:48 PM

    @stephen darling: that’s a great idea. And some of the feral youth could be fed to them too.

    63
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Martin Harte
    Favourite Martin Harte
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 7:59 PM

    @Peter99: that’s a better idea!

    28
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Peter Dunwoody
    Favourite Peter Dunwoody
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:56 PM

    I was there last week, boy has it changed a lot over the years, I remember going as a child, as a family, all animals were in cages, there was the chimps tea party, the petting area, I was there again about thirty years or so, about the time when the animals were given areas to roam around. but were very visible to all, the lions especially. Last week, firstly I was shocked at the price €19.50. So much had changed, so many areas overgrown, an extreme difficulty in seeing many animals, a lot of the viewing was through glass panels, and nearly impossible to see anything when the sun was shinning, Many of the animals were inactive, hiding, or maybe not there at all. the usual ones were,penguins,giraffes penguins,rhinos,chimps.But I didn’t see any Bears ( I know the Polar one is gone) Large Apes, Hippos, alligators or crocodiles. They were setting up a theme for Alice in wonderland, It now seems that the Zoo is more orientated towards children than any interest for adults. I not sure that all this righteous, animal welfare, is actually doing more harm to the animals, depriving them of any human contact, as many are reared by humans in the first place, they seems as bored as many of us were. I won’t be be going back again, no reason too. I’m no child anymore, over 60 in-fact. It is however worth a visit.

    23
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Andy Masterson
    Favourite Andy Masterson
    Report
    Oct 26th 2019, 2:32 AM

    @Peter Dunwoody: areas are “overgrown” to provide a more natural environment for the animals. I’m sorry you were upset that the animals are no longer in small cages for you to view easily and “deprived of human contact”

    26
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Niamh Donnelly
    Favourite Niamh Donnelly
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:30 PM

    You can see more on the tv programme than when you go!

    20
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Martin Harte
    Favourite Martin Harte
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 7:58 PM

    @Niamh Donnelly: absolutely, if you walk around the place with your eyes closed!

    12
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Shelly Enright
    Favourite Shelly Enright
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:56 PM

    I do think that if the price was cheaper off season maybe you’d still get a good footfall , it’s pricey for a family even if they bring a packed picnic ! Parking isn’t great either unless your there first thing in the morning

    18
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Northside Longboat
    Favourite Northside Longboat
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 8:18 PM

    I was born in Dublin and visited the Zoo regularly as a kid. It never cost me much more than a couple of quid and this usually covered an ice cream.
    Last year I was flabbergasted at the amount of money they wanted at the door for my family. My 4 year old granddaughter was expected to cough up the same as me.
    That ended a good memory I had of the place.
    In Zoo in Chicago has rates that are a lot less and it it even has a free day every week.

    18
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Thomas Sheridan
    Favourite Thomas Sheridan
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 8:48 PM

    Pope’s visit was during bad weather so visitors would be down anyway

    16
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Phillip O'Brien
    Favourite Phillip O'Brien
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:41 PM

    The article has inconsistencies but are they saying closing for three days had such an effect?

    11
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Peter Coen
    Favourite Peter Coen
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 5:41 PM

    What a terrible sad story

    16
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute joann spain
    Favourite joann spain
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 7:42 PM

    I have an annual pass I tried to go to the zoo as much as possible and I love the food in the meerkat restaurant, I find the prices in the gift shop can be a bit high but it’s all about taking care of the animals. Can’t wait for the wild night at the zoo.

    9
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Craic_a_tower
    Favourite Craic_a_tower
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:35 PM

    May buy a membership to help them out

    6
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Ole dan tucker
    Favourite Ole dan tucker
    Report
    Oct 26th 2019, 5:28 AM

    €756k profit, and they are moaning about it? Jebus why does every business in this state think it has a right to make millions every year

    7
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute The bad luteniant
    Favourite The bad luteniant
    Report
    Oct 26th 2019, 12:19 AM

    rip off

    7
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Martin Harte
    Favourite Martin Harte
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 7:53 PM

    Why was it forced to close when the pope was here?

    5
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Seamus Mac
    Favourite Seamus Mac
    Report
    Oct 26th 2019, 1:00 PM

    Yet another article trying to whip up anti catholic sentiment by blaming it for dublin zoos woes. I hardly think one day in the year would make or break any attraction. How many days were they closed due to bad weather?

    5
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Maria Conroy Byrne
    Favourite Maria Conroy Byrne
    Report
    Oct 26th 2019, 9:26 AM

    Think a bit more innovation with special deals and offers and reductions for families would attract the crowds back. It’s a great day out but you wouldn’t really splash out more than once a year. Nearly €50 for an online booking for two adults and two children would be quite a lot out of some people’s weekly budget. Also, reduce the prices in the restaurant or have a few more meal deals. It’ll increase profits in the long term.

    3
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Martin Harte
    Favourite Martin Harte
    Report
    Oct 26th 2019, 9:39 AM

    @Maria Conroy Byrne: Think I’m just gonna throw 20 a week aside from January to June and head up, by next June it will be 2 adults and 4 children, but the newborn will get in free and I’m pretty sure my 1 year old who will be two also gets in free not 100% sure about the 2 year old

    1
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Dave Walsh
    Favourite Dave Walsh
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 6:59 PM

    Personally I’m blame elephant farts…

    6
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Jim O Brien - TechBuzz Ireland
    Favourite Jim O Brien - TechBuzz Ireland
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 10:06 PM

    At least they didn’t blame brexit

    3
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute John Roche
    Favourite John Roche
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 7:08 PM

    Seems your journalistic cant do maths..

    Decease by 88xxx thousand based on 1108xxx to 1109xxxx doesn’t add up…

    4
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Shane Freeney
    Favourite Shane Freeney
    Report
    Oct 25th 2019, 8:56 PM

    Seems a lot for a few days

    2
Submit a report
Please help us understand how this comment violates our community guidelines.
Thank you for the feedback
Your feedback has been sent to our team for review.
JournalTv
News in 60 seconds