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THIS MORNING’S FATAL gun attack on Charlie Hebdo is not the first time the satirical French magazine has been violently targeted.
In November 2011 the magazine was petrol bombed after it published a special issue temporarily renamed ‘Charia Hebdo’ featuring a guest editor listed as “the Prophet Mohammad”.
The magazine’s offices were completely gutted but their response was embattled. The next week they published a front page cover with a picture of a Charlie Hebdo cartoonist kissing a bearded Muslim man.
The caption read, ”L’Amour plus fort que la haine” meaning “Love is stronger than hate.”
That example is part of a sustained history the magazine has displayed in asserting its right to lampoon people and issues in the news, often Islamic extremism.
A year later, as worldwide violent protests followed the US release of the low-budget Innocence of Muslims film, Charlie Hebdo took the opportunity to publish obscene images Mohammad.
One of the images showed a naked turbaned Mohammad exposing his backside. French ministers questioned the timing of the publication of the images but supported the magazine’s right to express its opinions.
Visual depiction of the Prophet are not allowed under many interpretations of Islam. The reason for this is a concern that such depictions would lead to the worship of the founder of Islam.
The magazine’s consistency in its caricaturing Islamic issues was in evidence as early as this morning when they tweeted a cartoon of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the self-proclaimed emir of the so-called Islamic State.
But the magazine is far from focused on Islam as its target, with organised religion more widely often bearing the brunt of its satire.
A special issue published this month for example featured an image of the Virgin Mary with her legs spread giving birth to Jesus underneath the title, ‘The True Story of Little Jesus’.
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These are just low life terrorist animals who need to be eradicated for the good of humanity. These events are going to happen more and more if nothing is done.
i agree and whats worse is that our Minister for Foreign affairs is kicking up stink about one of our so called citizens who is holed up in jail in Cairo for attending a rally that supported extreism
Finbar he didn’t just attend he was a speaker that spoke to the masses. His siblings also addressed the crowd. His father brought a known right wing cleric of whom was banned in many countries for his anti women and anti same sex couple rhetoric to speak in Clonskeagh in 2011. And teh family has many links to radical Muslim Brotherhood clerics in the middle east.
I am unsure whether this bit is true but he was born in late 1995, but his family came here in 1996. Which makes me question whether in fact he was Irish born?
The anti-immigrant racist xenophobes on here already trying to exploit this horrific tragedy for their own right wing goals.
Open your eyes lad. This has nothing to do with racism or being anti immigrant.
leave him to rot and take his passport away from him .
@Sinister Completely agree. However many commenters today are using this as an opportunity to pile on Muslims and immigrants as a whole.
No exploiting Davey boy, saying it as it is, that’s all
Would love to see news channels, websites and newspapers the world over republish more of Charlie Hebdo’s work in a collective show of solidarity against these disgusting animals, showing them and undoubtedly the millions that support their actions, that we will not be held silent against their threats and one of the pilars of democracy, free speech, will be upheld.
Its high time that Muslims the world over learn to understand that like us they have every right to feel offended but not to take up arms against the perceived offence.
Diarmuid even….. :-p
Well said, no place for them
Go back to bed !
Why are people who are hostile to Christianity and to Western culture flocking to Europe in such large numbers?
Well??? Why ?
Shhh
Dermot; let’s not forget? Who pulled the trigger here? This wasn’t a bunch of journalists who decided to commit suicide, this is a bunch of journalists murdered by what will no doubt turn out to be adherents to Islam. As for our so called irish citizen in Cairo, why hasn’t his father the imam condemned these sickening murders? The silence is deafening.
Vermin. Pigs are beautiful creatures.
This act of cowardice (as well as being a tragedy for the victims) is an attack on freedom of expression.
And The Journal are following a close second with their censorship.
A close second to gunning down 13 people?
It’s time all European newspapers to publish these cartoons and display our freedom from persecution and our right to free speech.
No such thing of freedom of expression anymore. The pinko PC brigade dont let us speak the truth about these extremists. I would love to send these PC idiots to Saudi or Pakistan and tell them to walk around with a crucifix (or without a burka if they are female) and see how long they last.
We need to eradicate these extreme Allah heads from Europe ASAP.
Is there any country in Europe where Islam has integrated with the local population and not exluded them from their own cities and towns when they reached sufficient numbers? I have Tower Hamlets in London, Malmo in Sweden, Bradford and Couronnes in Paris where local law no longer applies in mind.
The Al Aqsa PC Brigade is all that stands between the anti-IslamoTrolls and their tribal solution!!
Stop pandering to religion! These acts of heinous terror are the result of when people surrender reason for madness.
Yes but this magazine is a real world example of trolling and flaming. Religious zealots are dangerous basterds, insult them at your peril.
Fcuk religion. Period.
You mean stop pandering to Islam. You can say what you like about Christianity, Buddhism and Judaism and the worst you’ll have to fear from their adherents are a few angry letters. It’s Islam that needs to get a grip and get a sense of humour. The problem is not religion –it’s one particular religion
You have hit the nail on the head Atticus!!! ”
Kathleen Taylor, a neurologist at Oxford University, said that recent developments suggest that we will soon be able to treat religious fundamentalism and other forms of ideological beliefs potentially harmful to society as a form of mental illness.”
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/351347#ixzz3O9GpUEIU
The problem is religion, it turns what might have been rational and reasonable people into bloodthirsty lunatics killing,maiming and destroying in the name of a sky wizard.
Islam deny’s women (Half the Human populace) basic human rights yet people tolerant it because it’s “religious” or “cultural” beliefs!
If you support that then hang your head in shame! Utterly pathetic! and completely inexcusable!
as opposed to the catholic church’s enlightened treatment of women…
All extremism leads to oppression.
Let’s not tolerate extremism, of any sort.
Freedom of speech is absolutely sacrosanct in Western democracies. I truly hope these kind of attacks do not deter others from satirizing all religions and none, but I fear a de facto situation where journalists are now too fearful and will self censor their work in relation to Islam. An assault on France, free speech and democracy.
People are already self-censoring Jurgen. High profile people like Ayaan Hiris Ali have had to flee to the US because of their critiques of Islam.
I agree Scipio. I was only just reading this morning about renowned French author Michel Houellebecq and his new book set in France in the future where Islam is in a far more dominant position. People giving out about his book already. I hope he is not another target for these nutters.
I have a lot of time for Ali and her husband Niall Ferguson. Great authors and thinkers.
Jurgen, out of curiosity, since you hold freedom of speech in such high regard, would you also consider holocaust denial freedom of speech? You can be jailed in many western democracies for doing so, in fact several people have been jailed in europe in the last few years for denying the holocaust.
Look under the heading “prosecutions and convictions” on this page – http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial
Soon this item will be knocked off the ‘front page’ by a flood of trivial nonsense and the comments will have no meaning while the deaths of those unfortunate people will fade. Give it an hour or so.
Paul, I do consider Holocaust denial freedom of speech. If people want to make absolute fools of themselves by denying the historical fact of the Holocaust, I believe that is their right. I am a firm believer in the 1st Amendment, and have noticed how in Ireland and also Europe freedom of speech is less well protected than at home.
I am open to correction on this, but I am not aware of any law banning Holocaust denial in the US, whereas there are many European countries that do. I can understand the reasoning for holocaust denial laws as some have argued that Holocaust denial equates to anti-semitism. Obviously, holocaust deniers would generally be anti semitic, but they should still be free to give their ridiculous views.
Uh oh Paul, I actually took your question seriously there for a bit, but I did just read below where you said ‘I smell Mossad all over this’. I should also have detected the faint bit of sarcasm about holding free speech in such high regard. And agreeing with the resident nut Frank, well no more needs to be said, my bad.
An offensive cartoon for some Christians but not one of the Charlie hebdo Muslims ones!.you failed this test journel.
You can offend all religions but one. Salman Rushdie will explain….
In fairness, media outlets, along with their staff and families, tend to get a little nervous in the hours after one of them loses several staff to terrorism. They’re only human.
It’s possible to lampoon every other religion including Christianity in the heart of ‘Christendom’ without consequences. Everybody remembers Monthy Python. Every religion except one that is. The religion that likes to dub itself the religion of peace.
And yet useful idiots, usually but not always leftists, like to tell us, well religion they’re all the same, aren’t they? They’re most clearly not all the same and inspire violence and intolerance to vastly different degrees. And Islam wins the World Cup for violence and intolenrance as far as religion is concerned.
The Journal just blocked my comment because I said they were in some way trying to put up a defense for this barbaric act…freedom of speech my arse
“It’s possible to lampoon every other religion including Christianity in the heart of ‘Christendom’ without consequences. Everybody remembers Monthy Python.”
The Life of Brian was banned in many countries on release,including Ireland.
The Journal is a disgrace Finbarr, Their censorship is on par with China.
How many people have died beacuse if it? How many people are living with permanent bodyguards because of it?
That’s right none. You’re analogy is irrelevant.
Your comment suggested that Christianity was all right with the Monty Pythons poking fun at them when in fact it wasn’t.
If you read my comment properly I said it’s possible to lampoon it without consequences. As in violent consequeces such as this attack. I thought that was obvious esp. after what’s happened today but maybe I didn’t make myself clear enough. The church is perfectly free to moan about it if they wish. Afterall we all believe in freedom of speech don’t we.
“The church is perfectly free to moan about it if they wish. Afterall we all believe in freedom of speech don’t we.”
The church didn’t just “moan about it” as you put it, they had it banned outright, which makes your “we all believe in freedom of speech don’t we” comment ironic. Censorship is censorship, whether it’s banning a film or shooting up an office of a satirical magazine, both incidents are a attack on freedom of speech. Christianity has plenty of blood on it’s hands. All religion is ridiculous and dangerous.
The government backed by the church banned it. But nobody from the church issued the equivalent of a fatwa on the creators of it, indeed no Catholic took it upon themselves to kill or maim anybody involved in that film. Like I said your analogy is a facile one.
So there are varying degrees of censorship depending on how many people are killed ? sorry I must have missed that meeting. Also it wasn’t an analogy, it was correcting a factual error regarding Monty Pythons and censorship.
But you didn’t correct a factual error did you? My point was there was not violent consequeces for the people involved in that film. A point you failed to disprove. Like I said facile.
“The church is perfectly free to moan about it if they wish. Afterall we all believe in freedom of speech don’t we.”
Obviously I did, as your above quote shows you are little confused about the definition of censorship and freedom of speech. As I already said, censorship is censorship. Is killing 12 people worse than banning a film? of course it isn’t but both incidences are an attack on freedom of speech and expression and in the context of censorship they are both equally bad.
We”re going around in circles now. If you have evidence that the creators of the film suffered credible violent threats, present it? Otherwise as I already said your comparison was facile.
Obviously I don’t have evidence because I never claimed such a thing. Your original comment began with “It’s possible to lampoon every other religion including Christianity in the heart of ‘Christendom’ without consequences. Everybody remembers Monthy Python.”
“Without consequences” you said, all I did was point out that you were wrong, as there was consequences i.e the film was banned for many years.
I rest my case so. You’re just getting hung up on semantics when it was clear especially afer today’s events what my point was.
Not at all, I didn’t disagree with your point, I was just pointing out how your opening comment was factually inaccurate.
Ronan be careful what you print here or some Muslim lunatics might take offence!
I hope you are being sarcastic, Paddy.
Well they could republish the Mohammad cartoons……
I mean, you can see the picture of Jesus and Mary above might annoy some Catholics so why not?
Mad how they left the Mohammed cartoons out alright.
“Draw Mohammed Day”, May 20th. Participate and show these troglodytes how pathetic their religion is.
If you are offended by satire, then your faith isn’t as strong as you’d like to believe. Protecting free speech from these fascists should be our priority.
That’s what I use to say to my parents when they were offended at something they felt insulted Catholicism.
I challenge the Journal and every other Irish media outlet to publish these cartoons out of solidarity for your fallen colleagues at Charlie Hebdo. Surprise us all by showing some backbone in the face of extremism. Let these people this is the Western world where freedom of speech is a precious thing and cherished even in the face of extreme violence and intolerance.
Don`t be stupid Scipio , what is that going to resolve? We have our sons and daughters in the Golan Heights.
What you think is going to happen there? They will be attacked ferociously. It will spur copycats to do the same as well , if not in Ireland , it will be abroad.
We are at dangerous crossroads here and everbody need to calm down , I suspect some reprisals will take place against mosques and muslims throughout Europe which will already put more oil on the fire , which is exactly what these extremist want. Wikileaks is freedom of speech but they keep the head editor locked up for 2 years in an embassy in what we call a banana republic , where is the freedom here , we forgot?
http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639680-rebels-take-syria-crossing-with-israel-occupied-go/
Another coward who wilts in the face of religious violence. Followers of Islam need to learn just as Christians did that in the West freedom of speech is more sacred then the irrational concerns of any religious superstitions.
So ironic, French journalists massacred in cold blood, by Muslim head-bangers, to prove to satirists that Islam is NOT violent. Well, what could gp wrong with that? Sssssh….I hope the Clonskeagh / Clongriffen mafia are’nt reading this!!!
have Clonskeagh / Clongriffen condemned the attack? They go very silent sometimes.
Democracy and freedom was attacked today. The death of the journalists and police in Paris today is an act of war. Outlaw and ban Islam, NOW.
Yeah, cos banning a religion really works? Ever read some history books?
Well then I want Catholicism banned for raping children.
It seems to work in Saudi Arabia
Freedom fries and bacon burkas all round!!
when countries let in Muslim immigrants in large numbers, they don’t realize the danger. Maybe not from the immigrants themselves, but their children or grandchildren might be unable to integrate with the society & turn to violent Islam. By that time it’s too late.
The press must stand up for their freedom, the people must be seen to support freedom of speech. Wouldn’t it be a fitting tribute to those who died in Charlie Hebdo if every free paper in the world printed something that lampooned Mohamed in the next day or so?
And here lies the problem. I have been saying this for years!!
“Kathleen Taylor, a neurologist at Oxford University, said that recent developments suggest that we will soon be able to treat religious fundamentalism and other forms of ideological beliefs potentially harmful to society as a form of mental illness.”
It is through their love for God that many countless people volunteer to work with the poor, the sick, the homeless, the elderly, etc. Indeed, the Catholic Church is the largest provider of charitable aid in the world. Not all religions are equal, only the ignorant would think that they are.
What happened today was disgusting beyond measure, and certainly raises questions regarding the sensitivity of some Muslims, if not the culture that has grown under the guise of their religion.
The Catholic Church are no angels!From Supporting fascist’s dictatorships to complicity in genocide and world wide abuse scandals to name just three from the catalogue of atrocities spanning centuries.
Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot or Stalin had no religious belief and they’re the greatest mass-murderers of the 20th Century.
There are very interesting, and referenced, facts within this link: http://www.familyfacts.org/briefs/41/religiosity-and-charity-volunteering that highlight the positive correlation between religious belief/Church-attendance and volunteering/charitable-giving. Quite interesting reading. Essentially, it suggests that believing in God makes you a kinder person.
Unfortunately, I don’t believe for one minute that those who killed in France today believed in God, or if they did, they didn’t give a damn about what He thought of them.
Mao etc didn’t kill people in the name of non-religion however.
Mao, Hitler and Stalin all had a catholic educations. How does that fit in with your atheist circle jerk ?
If he, or any of them, did believe in God, however, the last century might have been a safer place.
Shane, I would hazard a guess that most of the anti-Catholic contributors to The Journal had a Catholic education to some degree also.
As atheists of a Catholic or Christian upbringing, one might say that the anti-Religious brigade have more in common to those dictators than the believing Christians would.
Hitler was religious! The first treaty he signed was with the Catholic Church just like Mussolini too.
The question is whether atheism was the driving force behind the massacres or was it a political ideology? The fact someone was atheist is irrelevant if its not the direct cause of the action unlike jihadist whose purpose is faith inspired.
Hilter was not religious.
A mono-balled, psychotic chaplain impersonator with no timing!
Stalin wasn’t a Catholic. He was Russian Orthodox. He studied in a seminary but wasn’t ordained.
Charlie Hebdo has always satirised all religions such as christianity, judiaism, islam, buddism, scientology, etc, etc and all political parties and all political leaders.
I don’t think there is one political leader, political party or religion in France that they have not insulted.
This is a direct threat to freedom of speech and we should all stand by Charlie Lebdo.
Charlie’s Keane Lebido seemed to know no bounds of decency either!!
Humanistic athiesm is the way forward reject anything that requires you to abandon logic sense and reason.
Freedom of expression is central to democracy in any civilised society. Regardless of whether one agrees with the views etc. there has to be zero tolerance towards those who perpetrate the murderous violence we have been witnessing of late.
Crazy. Spent Christmas in Paris one thing I noticed was the heavy police presence. Hopefully the s#um who carried out this terror attack are captured or killed!
The Police presence that you witnessed in Paris will be nothing like what will be coming to Europe in the aftermath of these shootings.
Preferably killed!
I see the journal had no problems posting the illustration of Jesus but didn’t have the balls to post the piss take of Muhammad!
Ho interesting that the magazine would be “left wing” anti “extreme right” very pro integration etc, that didn’t make any difference to the Islamic gunmen!
How sad the freedoms we in the west take for granted are hated by these people, but yet they come “here” in their thousands!
RIP more violence in the name of a religion which deserves to be kept out of all civilised country’s. Europe and Ireland need to wake up before its to late.
how much bad spawns from religion compared to the good it ACTUALLY does…….
Here is the plot: A comic magazine Charlie Hebdo is renowned for producing controversial anti Islamic cartoons. The news is too fresh for a debunk.
Three well armed “terrorists” stormed the place with machine guns ablaze while screaming “Allahu Akbar”.
Terrorists escape completely, while shooting at police all over Paris, 11 dead.
Question: Do Muslims always scream Allahu Akbar while they run amok shooting places up? With no one identified, and only that phrase for incrimination, ANYONE COULD HAVE DONE THIS and that is IF it even happened and it is not just another psych op. Two recent “Islamic” terrorist attacks have fallen flat on their faces with discrepancies, one in Sydney and the other in Pakistan, Time will tell on this one.
Supposedly they had a rocket launcher, who supplied it and how the hell did they get that through customs?
Frank debunk the spiders pulling levers in that rotten mind of yours!
Let me guess Frank, this was a “false flag” and the 11 people murdered this morning were just actors? You really should seek some professional health because paranoia of your level must be a mental illness.
Munster2014_I would consider gullibility is a worse mental illness.
People that don’t question the media.
Frank I am surprised you have not defended their actions with the usual “sure look what America has done” deflection.
Another interesting point….There was due to be a release of a book from this publishing company today. Supposedly the “terrorists” struck at that time because they somehow knew all the top people for the publication and the press would be there in a big presentation.
QUESTION: How would they know this? That is the type of info only an insider would have and how did an obviously professional hit team get all this information?
So Frank, you think that muslim extremists haven’t committed enough atrocities that some sort of conspiracy group has to make-believe one?
I think you are the gullible one.
Two very recent high profile MSM Islamic extremists terrorist shoot outs have fallen flat on their face.
1/ The Sydney Hostage taking.. https://loganstatta.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/isisboredom.jpg
2/ The 132 Children Massacre in Pakistan .https://loganstatta.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/killed-sandy.jpg
These psychological operations have one thing in common and that is fear mongering to usher in the police state. I guess it won’t be too long before European Police will be copying their American counterparts and will be armed to the teeth with assault rifles, grenade launchers, driving MRPV’s and tanks.
Islam is now where Christianity was during the crusades.only difference is the weapons being used.
Stewie , the Crusades were a Christian response to Muslim aggression , just wondering how many of the refugees from Syria etc will bring this fundamentalism with them ?
Catholics dont seek revenge,
its a secular athiest
publication.
However not all secular
athiests
would agree with what the publication prints
i will not support what happened today while being silent.
i write all these thing as a person who is muslim who is believeing same religion and who is embarrassed of this religion terror. those monsters never had peace or freedom in their countries. and they run away for well-standarded lives. they run there cause there is freedom. everyone is equal and noone has to believe same things. all people are able to use their brain to choose good or bad. everyone is allowed to choose; to believe or not believe or what to believe. but those idiots will never understand what does this mean even for them. cause they are all grown with sick thoughts. once if they used their brains, they would know that any religion will not allow anybody to kill. all religions are for peace. and in my opinion religion is private. it is personal intimate. according to my religion i dont support what these cartoonist mentioned but i support that they were free to do it.
and for the last, if your religion is worth killing for, please start with yourselves. #JeSuisCharlie
Well said, Bűşra!
For many years now there has been a growth of the written and broadcast media making a living out of mocking and ridiculing others in society and or their beliefs, apart from politicans and the more traditional targets of satire. Something like this was bound to happen. Newton’s third law of motion comes to mind.
Hey Jack,
is Newton’s third law the one where, “for every action there is an opposite and excessive overreaction”?
Hey Mark,
Well…almost. I don’t recall the word ‘excessive’ being used but yes that is the rule. I presume you are using the word ‘excessive’ to make a point? The third law applies as a general rule but of course would not apply to unstable chemical compounds where the application of a force is deliberately applied to provoke an excessive reaction. That is why we treat such materials with caution and respect.
Thanks Jack, So Newton’s third law doesn’t really apply here as we are dealing with unstable forces with unpredictable reactions?
Mark, I think you may have missed the analogy here? The point I was making is that if you deliberately set out to provoke and mock people you can’t complain when you get a violent reaction no matter how wrong or excessive such reaction may be.
The trouble is, in the eyes of the extremists (and even moderates) if you are not following their religion you are an infidel. You deserve whatever happens to you.
Their religious beliefs are not more important than the right to free speech.
Mark, free speech is not an unqualified freedom. That is why we have our own rules in this country about slagging off or mocking certain minority groups like travellers and indeed coloured people and rightly so because it is in the wider public interest.
For example, I doubt that you would want to take the risk of walking into a pub in certain parts of this Isle and start slagging off or mocking those who hold different values or beliefs to you, like say the Lawnbrook Workers Club in Shankill. I know I wouldn’t. Hiding behind the use of media and terms like freedom of expression is merely, for some at least, an opportunity to bully and mock others for their own self gratification and sometimes even money or fame. I think that it was Edward Bulwer-Lytton that coined the phrase that ‘the pen is mightier than the sword’. In todays world of multimedia it has become so much easier to offend and insult others without regard to the offence caused. I do not carry sympathy for those that deliberately choose to provoke others. Even within our criminal law, provocation can be a defence and mittigation in certain circumstances.
This is by far the best comment I have read.
Op Gladio Redux? 1970s right wing false flag terror reborn? The Brabant Killings, the Oktoberfest Bombing, The Bologna bombing, 7/7 Tube bombings, Oslo Bombing/Massacre, Maidan Massacres in Kiev etc etc etc.
If these perps blew themselves up in true “martyrdom” style then, maybe. However a perfect hit and run op, professionally carried out with efficent bloody ruthlessness before disappearing, never to be seen again…Qi Bono? QI BONO ??
The key video clearly depicts a police officer on the ground getting shot in the head by an AK47 at point blank.
The big problem is that there is no apparent brain splatter, no blood, white smoke off the barrel dispersing in a wide cloud (which blanks do,) Most importantly there is no body lurch from the bullet impact,
Here is the video: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc6_1420632668
Frank the video you are referring to stops at point of execution and the victim is blurred out. So how can you come to that conclusion?
They were hardly going to show the actual moment when that unfortunate was shot in the head, were they, Frank? That would have been the height of insensitivity. His relatives probably knew what his duties were today. Bad enough for them to see what was shown.
I smell mossad all over this. This will be the excuse for changing paris into a martial law city and scapegoating all muslims therein. Expect facial recognition cameras going up all over the city which will stay in place forever.
Then again, it could simply be three idiots with screws loose, occams razor etc.
It seemed like too precise an operation to me for these clowns. Also, supposedly one of the gunmen said to a survivor – ‘we’re from al qaeda’. It seems dodgy to me, scapegoating propaganda chapter 1.
Either way it’s disgraceful and disgusting.
Paul, are you not Frank under a different guise because your comment is just as warped and frankly shows a disturbed mind
Nice stephen, the old ad hominem. I’ll put my tinfoil hat on if these men are caught, if they are not caught my suspicion has some foundation.
Such attacks are not beyong vested interests, educate yourself on the USS liberty incident.
Paul might be no harm to remember the ordinary people butchered today, instead of giddily waxing lyrical about conspiracies. Muppet.
I’m not surprised you’re offended by my hypothesis rex. Muppet
I’m surprised you have such little regard for the people who died – I thought you were a little more worldly. Wasn’t that a photo of yourself and panti bliss you used for a while?
Stephen Earle_ My comments raise questions.
I guess yourself being nothing more than a web site Shill this would certainly cause you to get upset and throw your usual condescending personal remarks.
Charles Rex_ Mossad will kill anything that gets in their way to push their Global agendas. We learned that from the towers..
Ha, cheap shot but a good one.
I already said that what happened was disgusting and disgraceful irrespective of who did it, get over it.
I’ll keep my conspiracy for a few days until we find out if anyone gets caught and more importantly we’ll see if anyone will “benefit” ftom this act of terrorism.
These “terrorists” (Professional Hit men) will not get caught because they will be needed for their next pro Zio Western Government police state “mission”. You never know, they may even end up in the UK.
You know it Frank. We’ll be considered crackpots until everyone realises they’ve built their own jail cell under the guise of security.
Paul Flynn_ very true.
And no doubt French front line police will follow their USA and UK counterparts and have their “professional” training carried out in Tel Aviv.
It won’t be too long before we will be reading horror stories of unarmed civilians getting shot left right and center across Europe, Adolf Hitler built up a militarized police force. It was called the “Gestapo”.
Paul and Frank are creaming themselves over this terror attack gives them another chance to shout false flag and spout the typical horsesh#t.
Go back asleep john unless you have something to add to the conversation.
Paul Flynn_ Don’t mind the site shills, they will throw their usual condescending personal abuse.
The same web site shills also support Obama’s Police State and Cheer Lead Israel’s war crimes on GAZA.
@Paul
I get the feeling that most conspiracy theorists actually enjoy the idea that there’s some giant conspiracy by a small group of men to take over the world, and doing so by coming up with the craziest of plans. This would explain the wackiness of a lot of the conspiracy theories (and their intolerance of rational thinking). They either border on fantasy, or are straight out of a sci-fi film. Then when they’re confronted with some kind of rational thinking, they’re brought back down to earth, and they don’t like it. As a result of this, they get quite aggressive, and simply accuse you of being asleep/sheep/shill.
There is very little tolerance for opposing views amongst conspiracy theorists. Just something I’ve noticed. It’s as if they desperately WANT there to be a giant conspiracy, because it gives them a kick believing they’re fighting against some powerful, secretive group.
John, if I were to give you irrefutable evidence showing that several people control most of the world through the fraudulent monetary system you wouldn’t bother reading it, works both ways. The federal reserve in the US is illegal under their constitution, yet there it is, making decisions that effect the whole planet.
Would you bother reading this or does it work both ways? http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve
Honestly no I won’t read that. You see our problem in getting our message across is the following – any mainstream news/media/website is owned by these very people.
Most people rate the credibility of a media outlet by its popularity, which would be similar to claiming that mc donalds is a michelin star restaurant. We’re in the catch 22 position of having to supply ‘crackpot’ websites while all the “credible” websites say to the contrary.
Has the magazine ever lampooned fundamental Jewish beliefs?
Probably. It’s lampooned Christianity without violent revenge attacks.
Er Frank you havent noticed be chance that the French and German police forces already have and have that list of hardware for decades?The French moreso as their police force is more para military than the Germans…
Getting that kind of hardware isnt that difficult when you consider the fact that across the Med there is a former French colony that is Muslim.Two days drive puts you in the Balkans and into close contact with plenty of arms dealers or a trip to Kaliningrad by Germany and Polamd can get you this hardware no pronlem.
no big conspiracy there I m afraid.
The religion of peace at it’s finest. Islam is not a “Religion of Peace” it is a Fanatic Cult on the same level as Nazism. These Killers are only following the dictates found in the Quran/Koran. Look at this video and spread it far and wide in the hope that it will open people’s eyes.
‘MODERATE” ISLAM SHOWS ITS TRUE FACE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYAcLudBbhg
What’s also shocking is the fact that these extremists actually believe that what they done is right and justified.
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