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Fox News commentator says non-Muslims can't go to Birmingham, Twitter explodes

Steven Emerson describes himself ‘a leading authority on Islamic extremist networks’.

AN AMERICAN TERRORISM commentator who told Fox News that Birmingham is a ”Muslim-only city” where non-Muslims “don’t go” has apologised.

Steven Emerson, whose website describes him as a leading authority on Islamic extremist networks, told Fox News in a live broadcast yesterday that “there are actual cities like Birmingham that are totally Muslim, where non-Muslims just simply don’t go in”.

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His comments quickly drew derision online, with Shabana Mahmood, a British lawmaker from Birmingham, calling them “utterly ridiculous.” Official figures show that Birmingham’s Muslims make up about 22% of the city’s population.

Emerson later tweeted an apology saying his comments were “totally inaccurate”.

At this stage #FoxNewsFacts was already trending on Twitter. And, let’s just say, people were having fun:

A petition to get Emerson to apologise on air has been started, as has one to let non-Muslims back into Birmingham.

Additional reporting: AP

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    Mute Jaune Fujisawa
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    Jun 10th 2018, 10:50 AM

    Yes of course we should. Free up the guards, courts and prisons. It’s a no brainer

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:03 AM

    @Jaune Fujisawa: I agree. Free up the prisons and give longer sentences for serious violent crimes.

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    Mute Michael Carty
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    Jun 10th 2018, 12:01 PM

    @Mollie K: Do you realise how many addicts support their habits? Answer is serious violent crimes?…

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    Jun 10th 2018, 12:03 PM

    I hope everyone that agrees with decriminalisation and wants to see this change made has actually clicked the link in the article and gone and filled out the Working Group Questionnaire!

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    Mute Philip Kavanagh
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    Jun 10th 2018, 12:03 PM

    @Jaune Fujisawa: That’s a bit simplistic. Alcohol and tobacco are legal, yet we still expend massive resources on policing them.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 12:36 PM

    @Incognito: Thanks for pointing that out, done!

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    Mute Ivan Connolly
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    Jun 10th 2018, 12:46 PM

    @Michael Carty: that’s not true at all. It is the illegality and hence expense of drugs and their poor quality that result in people committing crime to fund their habit. These people are in fact only a very small percentage of people who use illegal drugs and the crimes they commit are usually not of the violent type. Burglaries and petty crime is hardly the same as violent crime which is more often committed by the suppliers of illegal drugs because a result of making them illegal means there are huge profits to be made by drug gangs. The definition of insanity is doing the same throng over and over and expecting a different outcome. The current war on drugs has failed as dismally as Prohibition of alcohol in the US. Doing the same thing will result in the same outcome.

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    Mute Ivan Connolly
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    Jun 10th 2018, 12:48 PM

    @Philip Kavanagh: by comparison. To what’s spent on drugs it’s minuscule and the reason they are policed is to ensure the state gets its share of the revenue. Not the same as illegal drugs at all

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    Jun 10th 2018, 12:50 PM

    @Philip Kavanagh: yes, but they are taxed with a ferociousness that dwarfs other commodities. That mitigates any costs they cause to the state.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 12:57 PM

    @Michael Carty: The vast vast majority of drug takers in this country do so recreationally and with little negative effects. If someone commits a violent crime, prosecution should occur as a result of that crime.

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    Mute Philip Kavanagh
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    Jun 10th 2018, 1:16 PM

    @Flip off: Where are you getting your figures from? The tax on alcohol/tobacco should not only cover the policing costs but also the healthcare costs. It would be interesting to see how and where the taxes for just these commodities are spent.

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    Mute Mollie K
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    Jun 10th 2018, 1:49 PM

    @Flip off: Totally, at the moment you can do more time for possession than for GBH or sexual assault. How does that make sense

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    Mute john doe
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    Jun 10th 2018, 7:00 PM

    Legalise educate and regulate to reduce harm to our youth.

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    Mute Simon Palmer
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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:11 AM

    Long overdue. I can’t believe it is 2018 and we are still debating this. It should just be done. Fair play to Portugal for leading the way. The positive results have been known for a long time, but 17 years later and we still have no action.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 10:52 AM

    It’s a no brainer really

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    Mute Pius Flynn
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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:01 AM

    Sorry to go off topic, but a man was arrested at the Meath Tyrone game yesterday evening, his crime was carrying a Palestinian flag and the Journal hasn’t mentioned it. What is going on here ?
    He was handcuffed and dragged off as if he had killed someone ??

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    Mute goon4life
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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:19 AM

    @Before its too late: so is there a ban on all flags at GAA matches then?

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    Mute Pius Flynn
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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:29 AM

    @Before its too late: its all on video on Facebook. There was no abuse of the police.
    This was an outrageous abuse of power by the state nothing more nothing less.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:39 AM

    @Pius Flynn: That’s where I got the story from . Can you put up a link for the video , I’d be interested in having a look .https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/man-arrested-by-gardai-after-reportedly-flying-palestinian-flag-at-meaths-game-with-tyrone-36993742.html

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    Mute Pearse Mc Mullen
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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:41 AM

    @Before its too late: Here is the video, it`s plain to see that the Gardaí are lying their collective holes off once again,
    There are no groundstaff in the video, and the man wasn`t being abusive before the cuffs come out,
    if you are going to jump to defend someone – at least know the grounds on which you are defending them.
    https://www.facebook.com/paul.mcguckin1/videos/1857367220987840/

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    Mute Clifford Brennan
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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:59 AM

    @Pearse Mc Mullen: He was told to put the flag away. He didn’t. He got lifted. Tough luck. Keep politics out of sport. He has plenty of time to wave his flag anywhere else that he wants to.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 12:08 PM

    @Pearse Mc Mullen: Like I said , I’d read the story printed in the independent , in the video you actually can’t hear anything as the camera is too far back , the Gasrdai released the statement about their reason for handcuffing and removing the man .

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    Jun 10th 2018, 12:21 PM

    @Pearse Mc Mullen: clearly assaulted the guards on a number of occasions with the fleg, clearly!

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    Mute Graham.Kavanagh
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    Jun 10th 2018, 1:11 PM

    @Before its too late: But there were a number of young families also in the crowd according to the gardaí. Won’t somebody please think of the children forced to watch this man waving his flag with no concept of what it’s doing to the moral fabric of our society? :P

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    Mute Gus Sheridan
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    Jun 10th 2018, 2:08 PM

    @goon4life: great idea

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:04 AM

    Legalise cannabis. Doesn’t make sense to criminalise it and Legalise worse drugs such as tobacco and alcohol.

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    Mute NickyVera
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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:24 AM

    Yes of course, we should adopt the Portuguese model and treat people rather than demonise them

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    Mute Philip Kavanagh
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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:48 AM

    @NickyVera: What people do we not treat?

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    Jun 10th 2018, 6:35 PM

    @phillip kavanagh
    The people who feel stigmatised and threatened with prosecution because of the illegality if their drug taking.
    Legalise drugs and offer easy routes to help for those who need it.
    Offer sensible harm reduction advice to those who use drugs responsibly.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:00 AM

    If it’s a yes, then those who frequently use them should be placed at the bottom of the list when it comes to state healthcare in their future. Why cater for those who don’t care about their own bodies through excessive and frequent substance abuse.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:12 AM

    @daithi: that is precisely the issue, that no one can see it as it is, including you I have to say. It’s a health problem, not a criminal problem. There fore, those who abuse hard drugs are addicts and should be treated, efficiently and professionally, and not treated as criminals.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:15 AM

    @daithi: will that apply to people who drink alcohol, smoke tobacco, eat sugar, eat processed foods, don’t exercise enough?? Do you do all you can to take care of your body?

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:24 AM

    @Emilio Butler: Are you a drug addict?

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:36 AM

    @Slim Shady: no, and you? Do you have to be to understand the issue, Slim Shady? Cool nickname BTW

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    Jun 10th 2018, 12:27 PM

    @daithi: Should over weight people also be at the bottom for eating too much? Anyone who drinks or smokes? People who work too many hours and stress themselves out? Only ses fair that one group of careless people get treated differently then so should others.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 12:28 PM

    @Emilio Butler: No I’m not because I made the decision never to take hard drugs.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 10:58 AM

    The Irish media’s next cause.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:21 AM

    @DPentony: let’s hope so

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:41 AM

    @JosephStalin18: I’m pro Palestine but I wonder if the journal would have published this preice if a different flag was involved.

    Incidentally, are you aware that Joseph Stalin was responsible for the deaths of over 20m of his own people? Or is that inconvenient truth not compelling enough to remove you from seeking to take other people’s stuff because you don’t have the drive to earn your own wealth?

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:53 AM

    @Keith Murdiff: wrong thread sorry. I’m for legalising

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    Jun 10th 2018, 1:10 PM

    @DPentony: please god. I’ll be the wokest most insufferable shite out on those streets for this cause

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:33 AM

    Yes absolutely

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    Jun 10th 2018, 12:32 PM

    This is going to be like everything else..
    Condoms are bad
    Divorce is bad
    Gay marriage is bad
    Abortion is bad
    Drugs are bad.
    We will get there one step at a time. The religious extremists and the conservatives will paint an end of the world scenario (we will all die in gutters with needles hanging out of our arms, for example) that never actually happens. Hopefully most people wont be fooled and society moves forward inch by inch.

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    Mute Philip Kavanagh
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    Jun 10th 2018, 2:52 PM

    @Patrick Fitzgerald: You can’t compare the issue of drugs to abortion, divorce, gay marriage or contraception. It makes no sense.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 6:38 PM

    @philip
    In a way you can.
    It is an issue that government had got wrong due to misguided moralistic laws rather than a logical common sense approach.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 2:33 PM

    We should legalize canabis and use it as a source of revenue for health care. It would also deal a big blow to any criminal organization which uses the sale of canabis to fund more serious crimes.

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    Mute Emma Collins
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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:35 AM

    YES! A complete waste of the Garda’s time arresting and processing people for possession of drugs! Let’s join the 21st century people!

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    Jun 10th 2018, 12:42 PM

    Seems if you are a big farmer like the auld lad in Thurles found pumping his cattle with growth promoters you can go before a court and pay a fine,caught with a bit of hash/weed you have to accept the possibility of a prison sentence.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 12:19 PM

    Yes

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    Mute Fergus Moroney
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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:24 AM

    Absolutely not.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 1:05 PM

    @Fergus Moroney: why not?

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    Jun 10th 2018, 6:33 PM

    @fergus mooney
    Is that because your heart says no or tour head says no? Because thr logical way to resuce harm from drugs is to legalise and regulate.
    But maybe you are happy to see drugs harm more people, in which case keep things as they are.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 2:02 PM

    Possession of hard drugs should be decriminalised. Soft drugs should be legalised, regulated and taxed.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:41 AM

    I foresee a journal poll coming soon

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:13 AM

    Yes and convict sex offenders and paedophiles to the max

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:17 AM

    @Kieran Stafford: and corrupt politicians and bankers

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:22 AM

    @goon4life: #daviddrum

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    Jun 10th 2018, 2:01 PM

    Absolutely!

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:15 AM

    Who are the Portuguese experts?

    And did you write the line about decriminalisation reducing crime with a straight face? Tautology much?

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:38 AM

    @El Diablo Pollo: at first glance it may appear a bit dense but if you consider drugs are just a part of a large criminal ecosystem it makes more sense

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    Jun 10th 2018, 12:55 PM

    @El Diablo Pollo: João Goulão for example .

    The decriminalization of posession of drugs with the support programmes
    Implemented with it , worked . You have no idea of widespread heroin use in Portugal that started in the late 70′s.

    https://www.tdpf.org.uk/blog/drug-decriminalisation-portugal-setting-record-straight

    https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/reports/drug-policy-portugal-benefits-decriminalizing-drug-use

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    Jun 10th 2018, 2:11 PM

    @El Diablo Pollo: it is true, decrimilisaion reduces crime here in Portugal

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    Jun 10th 2018, 6:32 PM

    @el diablo: well full legalisation would reduce crime even more. Because obviously most of the crime and harm from drugs are directly related to their illegality. But decriminalisation is a good start.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 2:33 PM

    We should legalize canabis and use it as a source of revenue for health care. It would also deal a big blow to any criminal organization which uses the sale of canabis to fund more serious crimes.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:57 AM

    We need a proper health system first, alcohol/ciggarette related diseases count for the most abuses, but yes drug laws should be liberated

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    Jun 10th 2018, 12:37 PM

    @Bbeatz: We have a proper health system, where people with alcohol and tobacco addictions get high quality healthcare each time they present to their hospital or GP.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 1:07 PM

    @Philip Kavanagh: I can’t tell if this is a joke or not, I’m really hoping your joking

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    Jun 10th 2018, 2:12 PM

    @goon4life: I think Philip is on drugs with a comment like that

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    Jun 10th 2018, 3:02 PM

    @Gus Sheridan: No Gus. I’m not on drugs. I do however deal with patients everyday who are alcoholics or smokers. It might be fashionable at the moment to bash the Irish healthcare system, but in reality the quality of care is generally excellent.

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    Jun 11th 2018, 1:26 AM

    @Philip Kavanagh: and what about mental health?, the pressures of society, suicide etc, are we not trying to cure the symptoms instead of the causes of drug abuse?

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    Jun 10th 2018, 3:43 PM

    Absolutely!

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    Jun 10th 2018, 12:50 PM

    The big farmer outside Thurles caught pumping his cattle with angel dust was given the option of paying a small fine,folks going before the courts for possession of small amounts of hashish/weed must be afforded the same option of paying a fine.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 4:07 PM

    @joe oneill: that big farmer outside cashel pumping his cattle, ooohhh matron

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    Jun 10th 2018, 6:39 PM

    @joe o neil
    Why should you pay a fine for having a bit of hash. What harm isnit doing anyone

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    Jun 10th 2018, 2:29 PM

    Great to see all the Mental health , Psychologists, Doctors, Surgeons, Scientists, Addiction Counselors, Adolescent Mentors, Youth Welfare EXPERTS etc etc all on here…so so informed. Tell me how decriminalization of drugs would have impacted positively on the many horrific crimes/tragedies we have been witnessing here in the past few weeks????

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    Jun 10th 2018, 4:07 PM

    @Margate: Are you yourself an expert in any of the fields you’ve mentioned? Are you so so informed on this topic. If so make your best case against the proposition preferably with reference to peer reviewed studies. Also, tell me how decriminalization of drugs would have impacted negatively on the many horrific crimes/tragedies we have been witnessing here in the past few weeks?

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    Jun 10th 2018, 4:30 PM

    @Johnny Leddin: And you do? Classy comment..proves my point.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 6:43 PM

    @margate
    Decriminalising drugs is not going to eradicate rapes and murders. Thats just silly. But it will make the lives of people who use drugs safer. And full legalisation will reduce greatly an income stream to organised crime.
    Are less harm from drugs and less money going to criminals not good things for society??
    Legalise regulate educate

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    Jun 10th 2018, 6:58 PM

    @Margate: how has criminalisation of drugs impacted positively on anything (with the exception of criminal defense professionals’ bank balances of course)??

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    Jun 10th 2018, 12:54 PM

    What’s with the journal putting the same articles up again.. this question was already asked and people agreed

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    Jun 10th 2018, 4:05 PM

    @Ali Ní Dhomhnaill: Staff must have had a few joints and forgot

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    Jun 10th 2018, 2:10 PM

    Class A drugs should be illegal regardless.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 3:56 PM

    @Philip Murphy: It’s not as clear cut as it seems. You need to look at the unintended consequences. Class A drugs are generally highly addictive, therefore criminal gangs have a huge incentive to get people hooked on the hardest drugs possible and to keep them hooked – i.e more drug users .They also have an incentive to bulk out the drugs with other substances to increase profit – drugs cut with other substances are associated with much of the morbidity associated with these Class A drugs. Users have no recourse to the law to hold suppliers who produce tainted drugs to account as both will be criminalised. Its a complex question, but is likely be that simply legalising all drugs (including class A drugs) may actually, on balance, lead to a reduction in the number of users and the harm done to them and society at large.

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    Jun 10th 2018, 6:40 PM

    @damon
    Well said. Sums it up sensibly.
    Legalisation education and regulation os the best way to reduce harm from drugs. Which is what we all want isnt it?

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    Mute Darren Sheridan
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    Jun 10th 2018, 8:39 PM

    Yes.

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    Mute Kieran OKeeffe
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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:45 AM

    Same argument can be made for the ludicrous road tax ,put it on fuel at scourse,or use apnr technology

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    Mute P.J. Nolan
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    Jun 10th 2018, 12:08 PM

    @Kieran OKeeffe:
    We have been through this before, motor tax brings in €2 billion a year, based on average mileage in Ireland you would need to add between 30 and 40 cent to a litre of fuel which at the moment would bring petrol close to €2 a litre.
    Maybe when it was cheap it could have been phased in but now, that ship has sailed.
    Couldn’t agree more on the ANPR, but then what would we do with all the civil service employed to administrate motor tax? Its not like we would be allowed to lay them off….

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    Mute Gus Sheridan
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    Jun 10th 2018, 2:05 PM

    @Kieran OKeeffe: my road tax in Ireland last I looked was €701, in Portugal the EXACT same vehicle is €41 ! All thanks to the idiotic Green Party who forced Brian Clown’s crooked government to introduce it to keep the lousers in power. Remember next election yo bury the Greens! It would be illegal to do the same to Brian!

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    Mute ThePencilStick
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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:42 PM

    @Incognito. Cheers for pointing that out. Everyone fill out the questionnaire and change these stone age laws we have here

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    Mute Rúta Orphic
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    Jun 11th 2018, 1:54 PM

    Absolutely drug possession should be decriminalised. No non-violent, bar theft should be subject to criminal prosecution. Adults should be treated as such and what personal choices in life-style they make shouldn’t be anyone else’s business.

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    Mute Michael farrelly
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    Jun 11th 2018, 4:51 AM

    Definitely yes

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    Jun 10th 2018, 4:46 PM

    @Damon 16: To answer your question respectfully- unlike the ‘Johnny Reddin’ and his types, who apparently make really informed contributions here, surprise, surprise- yes, i am professionally qualified in this area, and i work with teenagers, and i would like to believe i am quite well informed, experienced and qualified to comment on this topic. And yes, i also have/am involved with a no of entities- and give regular feedback based on my work- on this and related issues at both regional and national level. An ‘ EXPERT’ me? No…but will let you decide if i might be reasonably ‘qualified’ to state a case? Certainly, i realise now, not on this Forum. Not rocket science to know why this is…anything else? And yourself??

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    Mute john doe
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    Jun 10th 2018, 6:48 PM

    @margate
    Ok if you are a professional working in this area. You are likely seeing the worst of the harms of drugs and likely way too late.
    Legalisation would reduce stigma, reduce harmful cutting agents, get help to those who need it before its too late, allow for realistic harm reducing education. And allow the vast vast majority of drug users who do so recreationally without serious negative effects to do so more safely and without risk of life ruining convictions.

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    Mute Damon16
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    Jun 10th 2018, 7:39 PM

    @Margate: Fair enough. You are entitled to your opinion based on your own experience. However, I would urge you to reconsider your position based on the substantial evidence that has emerged in the peer reviewed literature as well as the various government reports that have been commissioned on this topic.

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    Mute GerryCummins
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    Jun 10th 2018, 6:56 PM

    Never broke into a house or mugged a pensioner to get my next pint!

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    Mute john doe
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    Jun 10th 2018, 8:20 PM

    @gerry
    That’s because you are responsible with your use of alcohol. Lots of other people who have problems with alcohol have stolen or worse for drink.

    No different to other drugs. Most users never steal or break the law other than using the drugs themselves why make them criminals for this?

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    Mute Margate
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    Jun 10th 2018, 4:52 PM

    My error: ” Leddin”..apologies.

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    Mute Rudi Giuliani Lives
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    Jun 11th 2018, 1:27 AM

    I’m not sure you can say that decriminalising drugs in Portugal was successful due to the fact that drug crime decreased. That’s basically circular reasoning. Decriminalisation of drugs means less drug crime.

    You’ll have to actually provide other types of targets for us to decide on whether it has been successful.

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    Jun 11th 2018, 3:43 PM

    @Rudi Giuliani Lives: How about dealers not driving around in flash cars with the money they should never have been allowed make. With drugs being legalised, we buy them from government listed locations and thus no money goes to criminals.

    No dealers in flash cars means less kids looking up to them, is that not a positive target for this?

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    Mute Leakin’ James Comey
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    Jun 13th 2018, 9:14 PM

    Test

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    Mute Alex smith
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    Jun 10th 2018, 11:51 AM

    Can’t see it happening, we’re just too much of a nanny state

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