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File photo: Fighters from the Islamic State group. AP/Press Association Images

'A number of young Irish people have left Ireland to fight alongside ISIS'

Irish MEP Brian Hayes says more needs to be done to make sure these people feel part and parcel of Ireland.

Updated 10.00am 

A NUMBER OF young Irish people have left Ireland to fight alongside Islamic extremist groups such as ISIS, says Irish MEP Brian Hayes.

Speaking to Owen Stafford of EuroParlRadio in Strasbourg, Hayes said that EU Member states, such as Ireland must ensure immigrant communities are fully included into European society.

We’ve seen cases in Ireland, where some of these people would leave Ireland to take part as fighters as they see it for ISIS. We’ve seen a number of cases like that.

Hayes said this happens because young people can feel marginalised in the country they were born or raised and can become increasingly isolated from mainstream life in Ireland.

Integration

The only way to challenge that is make sure that these young people feel part and parcel of their country, that they have been brought up in, but also part and parcel of the European Union.

A study published last year shows that Ireland is the second highest per capita rate of Muslims going to fight in Syria, out of  a survey of 25 countries.

This however still puts the figure at 0.07% of the overall number of Muslims in Ireland. Out of a Muslim population of around 43,000 only 25 to 30 individuals have gone to fight in Syria.

Ireland’s Foreign Affairs Minister Charlie Flanagan has been vocal on the issue before, stating that Europeans joining Islamic State group is a “serious problem”.

Flanagan said that the only way to prevent this happening is through education and information sharing. He added that criminal sanctions are also necessary.

Neo-right parties

Hayes was also asked about the French politician and president of the Front National, Marine Le Pen’s comments where she lambasted the EU’s border controls, in terms of the French attacks in France.

He said that he thought that the Front National is doing “everything to politicise this issue” and extend her own aim, contrary too majority view across the EU.

Speaking about the attacks on the Charlie Haebdo offices, he said they came from French citizens, “irrespective of freedom of movement” and happened on France’s doorstep. He said Le Pen’s views were “wholly irrelevant” to where the debate is now.

He said that Le Pen’s attack on immigrant communities and the freedom of movement in the EU was “squalid politics” that the far right represents.

Hayes admitted that terror attacks like this were a “real threat we have to face” but said that there shouldn’t be a knee-jerk reaction whereby freedoms established for EU citizens over the last forty years are abolished overnight.

There should be an “integrationist approach” not an “exclusionist neo-right approach”, he said.

He called for further integration in terms of systems of justice and home affairs, as well as police force intelligence.

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    Mute Leslie Skinner
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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:25 AM

    Cancel their passports and do not let them re enter the country

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    Mute KeiKe
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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:37 AM

    20-30 travelled to fight for IS…so if they manage to survive thier killing spree over there they can waltz back to Ireland with no consequences? Hayes wake up they don’t give a sh#te about our country or laws

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    Mute Vaibhav Borse
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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:42 AM

    When are we going to learn the fact that they are not going to fight ISIS, they are going to get trained and create a havoc in Europe. How many of you believe that terror in France is over? If there could be three then they much be 300. The sleeper cells are inactive and probably looking for the right time and instructions. Europop chief said there are estimated 5000 trained jihadist spread in entire Europe. So if they want to leave..leave,don’t come back..

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:45 AM

    I live beside some Muslims in the last few weeks they’ve being acting strange, don’t know whether I should call somebody to report them has anyone got any advice.

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    Mute Censored
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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:48 AM

    Report them to who? The government wants to help them, not you.

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    Mute Conor O'Neill
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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:59 AM

    Are they really Irish? If I get a Chinese passport am I Chinese ?

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    Mute Vaibhav Borse
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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:07 AM

    Conor, I think theoretically they are not, but practically they are….

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    Mute shane murphy
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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:11 AM

    See this is typically of what they want to happen everyone watching each other in fear lock your doors people were all going to die people need to get a grip its all scaremongering!

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    Mute Juninho
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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:14 AM

    Who the fuk does Hayes think he is claiming that these people should be integrated better? No they should have their passports revoked and be sent back to the desert schithole they love so much.

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    Mute Glen
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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:20 AM

    Yea Aasif
    I got advice
    Stop spying on your neighbours !

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    Mute Protect Democracy!
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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:26 AM

    Hayes is just a dipstick, these savages & their families should be deported! When is this Government going to start listening to the people?

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    Mute Thomas Aquinas
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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:26 AM

    I am always amused at how commenters on these pages feel free to ignore the law or just make it up to suit their prejudices. If these lads who feel the need to ‘defend’ Islam by travelling to Syria via Turkey and joining IS are Irish citizens then they are Irish citizens. It does not matter if you think because of their skin colour, ancestry or religion that they should not be, the legal reality is that they are. There is no way they can be deprived of their citizenship, unless their naturalisation was fraudulent but very few of them are naturalised. That is also a legal fact. They can however be prosecuted if and when they come back and they can and should go to jail. We should be much more concerned about the people who put the idea of going in their heads and about the leadership of the mosques in Ireland. I am pretty sure the cops have limited capacity to really know what is going on in that community.

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    Mute Thomas Aquinas
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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:32 AM

    Aasif while you are clearly trolling I will feed you. Might be an idea to go knock on their door, introduce yourself and ask them for advice about integration. If they shout at you call the local branch of the Knights of St Brigid and ask them to do a bit of ethnic cleansing. If you have trouble finding them a quick call to AGS with a full description of the activity you are worried about will see an instant neighbourhood lock down, a SWAT team and arrests all round.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:40 AM

    If you give the Irish state further power to revoke citizenship and/or remove passports, what’s to stop that power being used against *you* in the future? This is why I dislike the response to these tragedies, the inevitable ‘solution’ is always to casually hand the State more power.

    @Conor
    “Are they really Irish? If I get a Chinese passport am I Chinese ?”

    What does that even mean?

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    Mute Alan b
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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:42 AM

    If they want to go and fight along Isis let them go and live beside them.bar them from re entry

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    Mute Gearóid Ó Murchadha
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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:46 AM

    Why should their families be deported? They’re most likely the ones who reported them to the gardaí in the first place! You start deporting the families and you might suddenly find they’re not so helpful when it comes to identifying the $cum!

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    Mute Tom Collins
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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:47 AM

    It’s not a holiday they are going on and they don’t just sign off when they come back. What we all have to contend with is, we will be living amongst highly trained extremists ready to die and bring death if so ordered to do so right here in Ireland. Cancel the passports is dead right indeed.

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    Mute Jay McGregor
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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:08 AM

    Our citizenship laws are too lax for the 21st century.

    From the middle of nowhere in Kentucky and have no connection to Ireland other than an Irish granny that you never met? Doesn’t matter. You’re an Irish citizen.

    Lived here for five years, barely integrated and only speak pigeon English? Doesn’t matter. You can apply for Irish citizenship. We have the second highest rate of naturalisation, per capita, in the EU. 90000 in just three years.

    Irish citizenship is an extremely valuable citizenship to hold. Free movement throughout the EU, easy to travel to other non EU western countries(US, Canada, Australia etc.) on an Irish passport, Irish citizens are generally treated more favourably in the M.E and Africa compared to other westerners due to our lack of colonial past, access to a fairly lucrative welfare system, heavily subsided education and health care. The list goes on.

    So why are so liberal with who we give it to? In Germany, Switzerland, and Norway for example, they make future citizens wait for years, pass language, integration and historical exams before they can become citizens. Generally, they make them give up their old citizenship. They only allow dual citizenship in certain scenarios. They treat naturalisation very seriously indeed. They value their citizenship. We obviously don’t.

    Meanwhile, in Paddy land, we naturalised a Nigerian couple who were on the run from Interpol. Not only did we allow them in, not only did we give one a taxi license. We also gave them Irish citizenship!

    http://www.herald.ie/news/wife-of-cocaine-fugitive-wanted-for-same-crime-30691515.html

    We need to have a debate about our citizenship process and procedures, then bring it in line with the 21st century.

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    Mute Bill Madden
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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:22 AM

    @ keife. …Actually NO ” IRISH ” person” has gone to fight!!

    Fill in the rest yourselves!!

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    Mute Juan Venegas
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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:23 AM

    According to the constitution, all Irish citizens have the right of entry into the country. We need to change the laws and pressure the Minister of Justice to apply an existing clause for Naturalised citizens, which states that citizenship can be removed of the person has committed treason or failed into showing fidelity and loyalty to the state. As far as I concern, leaving Ireland to fight along ISIS is treason. I bet my house that at least half of these people are not Irish born, therefore they could be refused entry under existing laws.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:24 AM

    I have lived in several countries some outside the EU. I did not expect them to pander to my needs and integrate with me. I integrated with them. It was their country, not mine.

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    Mute E
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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:32 AM

    Irish Yokel government wants to get us involved in someone else’s fight.
    After decades of abuse at the hands of the Brits, I don’t see why Ireland should be supporting Big Western Political Corporate Warmongery and their false murderous “Peace” conquests.

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    Mute Patrick
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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:34 AM

    Before the muslims we were the terr@rists. Are you all goldfish?.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:37 AM

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:49 AM

    Patrick you clown, the IRA were despicable, but nothing on the level of Islamofascism.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:51 AM

    @E, what would you have the government do then? Would it suit you if we invite as many extremist preachers to the country, let them ferment hatred and recruit volunteers for the global Jihad, just so we can stick two fingers up at the western super powers?? That will pan out real well my friend.

    Have a quick look around and see how the open arm approach has worked elsewhere, it’s not a pretty sight. If the Government don’t take early action against radicalism then the more pronounced the action will have to be in the future, resulting in the need for a tougher stance. Easiest option is to act now, remove extremist preachers after two strike rule, and allow the moderates to flourish in our society.
    Burying our heads in the sand and thinking it won’t happen here is naive and a betrayal to our future generations.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:57 AM

    The IRA and these loonies are the same. Ask any of the people murdered by either gang – the answer will be the same. And holding an Irish passport does not make you Irish. Adams and co. are British and no amount of passports will make them Irish – ever.

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    Mute E
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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:04 AM

    My parents worked in the UK in the No Blacks No Irish era.
    When we watched UK TV in the 70′s, 80′s and 90′s it seemed as Ireland didn’t exist.
    Why should we now align ourselves with plunderous corporate western warmongers and pious imperialism?
    What did the people in the Middle East ever do on us?
    Je suis?
    Non Merci!!

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:06 AM

    “Out of a Muslim population of around 43,000 ”
    Oh dear , the man is certainly out of touch.

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    Mute Tap Solny
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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:10 AM

    E, I worked in Alaska in the ’60s. I watched tv in Pilot Point and not once did I get the local GAA results from Cappawhite or anywhere in Tipp or Ireland.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:11 AM

    About as Irish as a lamb kebab. The lamb may be Irish but the kebab…

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    Mute John Payne
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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:13 AM

    E, you haven’t answered my question. What would you have the government do in face of the current trend of certain people residing in Ireland going off to fight for IS?
    Regardless of your views on western corporate actions, what do you think of the growth of radicalism in Ireland?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:19 AM

    I worked in the UK in the No Blacks No Irish era and never had any problems but then again I didn’t come back to the ‘digs’ and get into bed pi**ed with my boots on nor did I move on to the next job ad forget to pay my rent. True there were notices but only on cheap digs and doss houses and this had no effect on most of us as we just ignored them and were unlikely to need the use of thes premises anyway.
    Now back to problem of today, the failure of a section of our population to integrate with the kuffar.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:05 PM

    “Our citizenship laws are too lax for the 21st century.”

    You claim you want to bring into line with the 21st century – an increasingly globalised world, where people travel, feel attachment to places other than where they were born – by making it even more restrictive. For example:

    “They only allow dual citizenship in certain scenarios. They treat naturalisation very seriously indeed. They value their citizenship. We obviously don’t.”

    I have dual Irish and British citizenship, give me one good reason I should have to give up my British citizenship.

    “We need to have a debate about our citizenship process and procedures, then bring it in line with the 21st century.”

    Well then, let me ask a better question: why give out citizenship to people born here automatically? Maybe we should link citizenship with tax contributions instead. You talk about “valuing citizenship”, but a damn lot of Irish people have made no contributions to Irish society and yet we hand out citizenship on a completely merit-less basis, and no one questions it. What have they done to “deserve” the privileges conferred on them?

    We put immigrants through hoops. We have, despite the popular narrative, very restrictive immigration laws if you’re not from the EU. Hence, we see, the skills gaps in, for example, the IT sector, where there simply aren’t enough ‘native’ people with the requisite skills to fill the jobs.

    “citizenship can be removed of the person has committed treason or failed into showing fidelity and loyalty to the state.”

    I’m not a fan of provisions that require you to show loyalty to institutions. The state exists to serve us, not the other way around.

    Eugh, populist group-think nonsense.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:18 PM

    How was this country formed ?

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    Mute Tap Solny
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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:22 PM

    Ice had a lot to do with its formation.

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    Mute Patrick
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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:33 PM

    We are integrated already , all the maths we do and the numerical system we used is islamic,if it wasn’t for the muslims we would be writing CXXXMCI

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    Mute Patrick
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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:34 PM

    I noticed anybody who made a fair point on this thread got red thumbed. People just playing into the elites mindset. Baaaa

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    Mute Patrick
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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:40 PM

    All these laws will be passed then the govt will change the definition of terrarist then you are proverbially fcu.ked.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 1:00 PM

    If an actual Irish person went to fight with ISIS they would be tied up, filmed and then beheaded if a ransom wasn’t paid.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 1:18 PM

    The development of the Hindu-Arabic maths that we use today came to an abrupt halt as did many other great contributions to our civilisation when radical Islam took hold, nothing new under the sun.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 1:20 PM

    laughable, truly laughable. If hayes or any government official knows of people intending to go fight with a terrorist organisation they would be stopped BEFOREHAND. if it is claimed after they left because their neighbour or mother or cat said so it’s just BS – how the hell does anybody know who went where to do what? Because they looked ‘funny’ and flew threw Istanbul? We don’t even know where ISIS are because apparently they are so well integrated and living amongst the good terrorists – you know, those ‘Syrian rebels’ that we armed to overthrow assad (the ones who used US manufactured chemical weapons against their own people by the way).

    So – good irish citizen goes to Syria/Iraq/where the hell ever to fight against ISIS = good terrorist.
    Bad irish citizen goes to fight with ISIS = bad terrorist. If i had any knickers I’d wet them laughing. All just smoke and mirrors.

    Believe this drivel and continue to be divided and conquered people. That microchip in your neck implanted at birth is coming soon – either that or WW3.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 1:22 PM

    @ John Payne
    “@E, what would you have the government do then? Would it suit you if we invite as many extremist preachers to the country, let them ferment hatred and recruit volunteers for the global Jihad, just so we can stick two fingers up at the western super powers?? That will pan out real well my friend.???

    This is historically critical times for Ireland John.
    Maybe our government should give the opinion that reflects the Irish people instead of one scripted by our Euro Yankee Brit “partners”??

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    Jan 14th 2015, 1:29 PM

    @ Tap
    “E, I worked in Alaska in the ’60s. I watched tv in Pilot Point and not once did I get the local GAA results from Cappawhite or anywhere in Tipp or Ireland”

    Ohh sorry I forgot to add that
    We were in Ireland at the time
    When we watched UK TV in the 70′s, 80′s and 90′s it seemed as Ireland didn’t exist.

    But I’m sure the Brits were only happy to import their TV along with its propaganda.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 2:01 PM

    @ John
    “E, you haven’t answered my question. What would you have the government do in face of the current trend of certain people residing in Ireland going off to fight for IS?
    Regardless of your views on western corporate actions, what do you think of the growth of radicalism in Ireland?”???

    Current trend of certain people residing in Ireland????
    Maybe if they tightened up their open door emigration policies there would be far less of these instances?
    Why put certain groups of people together and cause unnecessary friction?

    What do you think of the growth of radicalism in Ireland?”???
    I think I’ll need to see some radicalism first as I do not rely on knee jerk spin from biased antagonistic media sources.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 2:11 PM

    Jihad Jane.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 2:19 PM

    Do we not risk alienating these people further by playing up to the media hype. Currently we are not a target imo so I wouldnt worry too much about those 25 people. Maybe encourage dialogue with the leaders of the islamic community in Ireland and see is there a way to reintegrate these people who have gone off to fight.
    I mean, a tallaght man went off to fight in Libya and he was lauded as a hero. A muslim family in England approached the police as their son had gone to Syria to fight. The police and the family encouraged the kid to come home and he is now doing 12 years in an english prison?
    Surely that exacerbates the problem of alienation rather than dealing with it in any meaningful way

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    Jan 14th 2015, 2:40 PM

    Haha

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    Jan 14th 2015, 3:17 PM

    Even more Irish citizens have gone to the UK to commit terrorism. We should take their passports too.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 3:57 PM

    @ Uncle Mort.
    “I worked in the UK in the No Blacks No Irish era and never had any problems but then again I didn’t come back to the ‘digs’ and get into bed pi**ed with my boots on nor did I move on to the next job ad forget to pay my rent. True there were notices but only on cheap digs and doss houses and this had no effect on most of us as we just ignored them and were unlikely to need the use of thes premises anyway.”

    Not all of us who lived in the UK were members MacAlpine’s P1ss The Bed Fusileers Mort.
    Nor were they all male.
    My Mum and My Aunts who were very cultured polite Irish ladies were faced with The No Dogs No Irish signs at their corner shops in England at the time.
    There were the odd few Brit shops who didn’t implicate this Racism
    Ironically it was UK based middle eastern shopkeepers who came to Irish people’s the rescue in the end.
    They bared no grudges.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 5:17 PM

    Yes agree totally don’t allow them back. IS is a cancer that needs to be eradicated along with all its supporters.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 5:28 PM

    @Tap Solny I understand you and I agree with you on the basis that if you don’t integrate into society, no matter how many years or how many irish passports you’d have, you won’t Irish. But Perhaps you should change your profile picture into Barry’s or something else than Lyons if you make a mention about a British never being Irish regardless of the amount of Irish passports they’d have.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 7:42 PM

    Juan
    Just because one learns English and accepts they must abide by the rules and culture of the country they go to, is no reason why any country has to open it’s borders to mass immigration. I am fully opposed to Ireland opening it’s borders to mass-immigration regardless how much integration there is. It does not matter how much people integrate as the native people, their families, elderly, children still lose out. Every country should be crafting a society that serves it’s people not looking to serve gloablism. My view is that miniscule pre 1990’s mass immigration with a majority of people of same western ancestral heritage and culture is ok, and some non westerners, but current flood-immigration is more like invasion and has the Irish feeling like strangers in their own country, not fine at all, regardless of who or how much you want to “integrate”, which is another marketing term to sell the immigration fisaco to the natives – this is about survival, Irish ethnic survival and the struggle against globalist exploitation. I personally would have no problem with you being here, as part of the small influx I have described, but this mass-immigration is toxic for all concerned.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 7:54 PM

    Diarmuid
    Irish are ancestrally and culturally similar to British. Yes we are different, but out of all other peoples, we are also most alike. Every race has had conflict between it’s different ethnicities. Your comparison is bogus – the Irish being from the same/similar ancestral and cultural heritage as British do not vastly change that British heritage. There has even been the same Celtic tribes inhabiting the 2 islands, the Brigantes. This is totally different to non-western Europeans immigrating here who change the ethnic composition of Europe to something it never was before.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 7:58 PM

    Thomas
    Irish water is supposedly within Irish “law”, (or is it) doesn’t make it legal. The flood of foreigners who got into Ireland because of the multicult craze for mass-immigration, hoodwinked and manipulated the system using the prevailing “race-card” culture to get all sorts of waivers and demands met, eventually with citizenship – doesn’t make it right or just. The law does not necessarily mean that which is right or just.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:12 PM

    “Irish water is supposedly within Irish “law”, (or is it) doesn’t make it legal.”

    should be: doesn’t make it right, or within Irish sovereignty.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:46 PM

    “Aryan Light”… would you have liked the Nazis to invade Ireland? They viewed the English as being closer to the Aryan race than the Irish. Do you agree with Nazi racial policies?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:30 AM

    Brian Hayes wake up…they clearly don’t want to integrate here.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:54 AM

    Exactly, I don’t understand the problem. Let these eejits go get themselves killed. I won’t lose any sleep over them.

    And also, they are not Irish.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:30 AM

    If they have travelled to help fight with the ISIS stop them from re – entering Ireland ever again. No matter now bad ireland is it will always be a better life than been in SYRIA or any other place ruled by the ISIS.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:10 PM

    If they’re Irish citizens that can only be done through a referendum to change the constitution.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:53 AM

    I echo the Rotterdam Mayor’s recent comment (I’m paraphrasing) “If you don’t like the freedom of the west, f**k off and don’t come back”

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:01 AM

    A sign saying this should be in every port/airport in Europe.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:17 AM

    There is a bit of a contradiction here because it is the West are training these same head hackers to fight their proxy wars in Syria.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:50 AM

    @Neil, just posted a bit more about said Mayor above, hope this is of help :-)

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    Jan 14th 2015, 1:03 PM

    Tell that to the Christians refugees in Syria about western “freedom”

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:16 PM

    Hey Frank “Head Hackers”…what has Saudi Arabia got to do with this ?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:27 AM

    Clowns, when they come back, if they come back lock these idiots up for life.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:28 AM

    Hope they get wiped out with a rocket

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:34 AM

    Why should we try to make them feel more Irish? They have chosen to join an extremist terror organisation. That’s not something s morally sound person does. They should be either refused entry back into the country or arrested on arrival

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:33 AM

    What about the fact that radicalisation usually occurs because of marginalisation? If you marginalise more you make the problem worse. If you invite them to integrate properly before they have the chance to be radicalised, they are far less likely to become radicalised.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:05 AM

    What is that supposed to even mean Jane? ‘Invite them to integrate’
    Is anybody stopping them joining the local football team, going to the pub or going to the gaeltacht?
    Have you ever contemplated that some immigrants may have no desire to ‘integrate’. They just continue to live the same way as they did in their country of origin.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:09 AM

    The BBC showed some clips Monday night that would raise the hair on the back of your neck. One clip showed what they called ‘Happy Muslims’ and in it we saw lots of teenagers in a mixture of western and eastern dress [ no burqua]. Clip two showed teenagers hissing and spitting at the first kids [all the females in full post-box regalia] and the pure hatred shown by them towards their own should raise our alert level. A third clip showed a chap, born and educated in the UK, merrily declaring that apostates must be killed, he kindly offered them a fair trial first but said that death was the only outcome. The events in Paris fall into place piece by piece.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVDIXqILqSM#t=20

    The proposed ‘ Islamic Cultural Center ‘ in Clongriffen will be the first purpose-built ghetto in Ireland and will cater for the Wahhabi lot here, Sponsored by the Emir of Qatar, this bodes ill for us as Wahhabism discourages Muslim integration in the West but actively encourages jihad against non-Muslims. So what is it here for? If there is to be no integration then why are these people coming here in such numbers?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:11 AM

    I pay football with 2 Muslims scipio. Shall we judge all Muslims on the strength of my mates. Because they are brilliant footballers and great guys.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:26 AM

    Good for them Joe and I have being out on the pi$$ with guys born into Muslim families. But thats my point. There is nothing to stop them integrating but some, not all have no wish to do so.

    The Muslim mayor of Rotterdam I think it was sums this up perfectly.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:34 AM

    @Scipio, this Mayor of Rotterdam ?
    ““There may be a place in the world where you can be yourself, be honest with yourself and do not go and kill innocent journalists. And if you do not like it here because humorists you do not like make a newspaper, may I then say you can f*** off.

    “This is stupid, this so incomprehensible. Vanish from the Netherlands if you cannot find your place here. All those well-meaning Muslims here will now be stared at”.

    Aboutaleb, a Moroccan-born Muslim and former journalist took up the office of Mayor in 2008 now presides over one of a number of European cities where ethnic minorities and non-natives make up over half of the population. Although his appointment as mayor was criticised initially by anti-Islam parties in the Netherlands, who demanded he give up his dual Moroccan citizenship, he has since worked to prove his worth.”

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:05 PM

    Yeah that’s the one Mort. A brave man who’s taken an admirable stance.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:21 PM

    Scipio, judging from the tone of the comments on the Journal, most people in Ireland are far from welcoming of immigrants. Maybe we should take a little look in the mirror before condemning muslims for not integrating, because just maybe we don’t exactly make it easy. Just an observation.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:41 PM

    Jane this country has gone from having virtually no immigrant population to speak of, to having 15-20% of it’s population made up of immigrants born overseas, with very few problems so far.

    The country should be proud of how it’s dealt with this massive influx, but maybe now it’s time to take stock and absorb and ‘integrate’ the immigrants that now reside here, rather than keeping an open door. People do not wish to become minorities within their own communtites.
    Why not learn from our European cousins mistakes?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:58 PM

    Scipio, that’s actually what I’m saying. We need to make an actual effort to help people integrate in their new country; secularising schools would be a start, but there’s much more that local community groups can do too. Shouting about shutting the borders and stopping people from returning to the country is shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. We need to look at our own citizens (wherever they first originated) and cut off problems BEFORE they start.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 1:24 PM

    Jane, of course we could try to make our society more inclusive but it takes a special type of person to join an extreme terrorist organisation like ISIS.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 1:27 PM

    We have never had any problem with Chinese, Indian or any other people coming here [notable exception being queue jumping 'asylum seekers'] This item is about Islamofascists, try not to be diverted from this issue. The same applies to the UK and I’m sure this is so across Europe. We would be in serious trouble without the contribution to our service industry from Filipino, Portuguese and of course all our friends from Eastern Europe who work hard and are very friendly and don’t want to turn the place into a Caliphate.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 1:29 PM

    What type of person do you think that is, Tweety? Typically they are young, marginalised for some reason (poverty, cultural differences leading to exclusion, frustration at being unable to control their lives) and they’re angry. Many of them aren’t even raised muslim, but they seize on something to believe in and fight for.

    In other words, these people aren’t all that special or different, they just don’t get spotted soon enough. When they are spotted early there’s a good chance of rehabilitation before they are fully radicalised. We need to avoid the pitfall of seeing them as ‘other’, as though they’ve always been different.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 3:21 PM

    Scipio.. from your Pro-Israel perspective, how do you rate attempts by Jewish people to integrate in Europe? Your PM just called for all French Jews to leave France! Not a very pro-integration thing to do!

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    Jan 14th 2015, 4:09 PM

    Dear Jane – sadly I have to fully agree with you there. I’m now an Irish citizen and extremely thankful and proud of it. Yet, there was a time when I too was an immigrant to Ireland. Personal experience taught has me that far too many of my fellow citizens STILL do not, in any way REALLY want “strangers” here. The hate-filled comments below this report seem to bear my comments out. To conclude, an historical fact for these commentators. As we all know, in the past millions of Irish folk were forced to emigrate for economic reasons. These new immigrants experienced racism in this form in various countries. Namely, signs were put up saying things like: “no dogs or Irish allowed!” These signs were the work of very unhappy folk – to put it mildly. My question is to many of the commentators I’m criticising is: how come it was reprehensible for other folk to say such awful things about us Irish – yet today it’s quite correct to say similar things today – about immigrants here? Talk about mind-numbing hypocrisy! Anyone who gets involved in violence or terrorism should be prosecuted – to the full extent of the law. Yet, to smear a whole group of immigrants because of the abhorrent activities if an extremely tiny group is equally abhorrent. As, it sounds a lot like old-fashioned racism to me (and to many other fair, democratically-minded folk)!

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    Jan 14th 2015, 4:31 PM

    As any Dub who has ever moved to a country village will tell you it takes at least 20 years to become a local and I have already dealt with that dogs and Blacks and Irish nonsense, it only bothered those at whom it was aimed.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 4:49 PM

    Very well said, Garth. I can’t believe you’d be red-thumbed for such an honest and open statement; but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised at any negative reactions here on the journal any more.
    As far as I’m concerned you’re very welcome.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 5:58 PM

    Jewish people have being fully integrated into western society for a long time. The western world afterall is rooted in Judaeo-Christian culture.
    And you obviously have not noticed Diarmuid that Jews are leaving countries like France for Israel in record numbers in the last few years because of attacks on their communities which directly correlate with the increase in the Muslim population. Who could blame them, they don’t feel safe.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 6:06 PM

    “As any Dub who has ever moved to a country village will tell you it takes at least 20 years to become a local ”

    Does it? Why did it only take me one or two then.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 6:33 PM

    Scipio, Jews have been the victims of millennia of persecution partly for the very reason that they are easily identifiable by reason of Jewish districts, professions, dress and a reluctance to intermarry. This has made them an easy target for vilification. The same way you vilify another easy target: Muslims.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 7:28 PM

    Diarmuid
    Where have they been victims of persecution for millenia, do you count the Egyptians as having persecuted them, as told in the Bible, why have they been persecuted, are you Jewish?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 7:30 PM

    Garth
    Irish people don’t want to be strangers in their own country, far too much immigration is leading them down that path. The Irish like every ethnicity have the right to protect their ancestral heritage (territory of Ireland being part of that) and culture.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 7:36 PM

    Thank you Jane. You’re only the second person to ever say that to me. The first was the male Garda who said that after stamping my passport – when I entered the country for the first time.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 7:40 PM

    Does that “right” include xenophobia? If you really, deep in your heart think it does, all I can add is: “you’ve still got a long way to go …” (when it comes to REALLY being civilized!)

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    Jan 14th 2015, 7:50 PM

    Garth, that is utterly appalling. I am so ashamed of my country right now. I hope you know though, that the vast majority of my friends and family would echo my sentiments; I’m not alone in welcoming you.
    Oh, and there is a certain Nazi commenter on this site who is best ignored; it’s what I do.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 7:59 PM

    “dogs and Blacks and Irish nonsense”? Dear “Uncle Mort” – so, if it only “bothered” those at whom it was aimed (good Irish men, women and their children) then it was somehow ok? Are you really a true Irishman? To make such a statement is utterly appalling, and, an excellent example of your lack of humanity and civilization. Just how could any REAL, true Irish person ever make such a statement about deceased Irish emigrants? The mind boggles at such stupidity! Oh, the good news is: I’m wisely not going to waste any more time with you. As, you’re just simply not worth the bother!

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:05 PM

    Garth
    Define what you mean by Xenophobia? By my reckoning it means an irrational fear of the alien (foreigner). I have no irrational fear of foreigners. As stated every ethnic people regardless of race (hence also not xenophobic) have the right to protect their ethnicity something for once the U.N got right.

    “The crime of genocide is defined in international law in the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide.

    “Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
    http://www.genocidewatch.org/genocide/whatisit.html”

    If you disagree with the Irish ethnic right to protect itself and oppose mass-immigration then you agree with genocide.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:59 PM

    You’ve once again demonstrated you have’nt got a clue what you’re talking about. The vast majority of Jews dress the same as anybody else in the Western world. A small minority of Hasidic Jews are identifiable by dress and and no Jews have ever agitated to implement their religious laws on wider society.
    Believe me I know this better than most.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:01 PM

    Also Diarmuid your slurs are water off a duck’s back. I challenge you to pull out just one quote from the comments section where I have vilified ‘all Muslims’.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:52 PM

    Aryan Light (Lasair), anti-Jewish pograms have been been prevalent throughout the millennia. Especially during the Holocaust.. do you not agree that the Holocaust counts as “persecution”.

    Scipio, why do you not challenge Aryan Light?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:33 AM

    Lock them up here if they came back!!!! Send them back to the ISIS they have made their choice no point costing the tax payer more money. Everyone knows how bad they are

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:32 AM

    Passport revoke in order immediately I think .these clowns are not worth the risk of letting back in .although I’m sure the politicians will say human rights ,we cannot do this .mad world we are living in people

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:51 AM

    Amazing how quick people are to rush to the quickest available option. Something must be done, this is something, politician’s fallacy and all that. Well sorry, but I prefer due process and not handing governments dangerous powers casually.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:47 AM

    We have the second highest per capita amount of extremists going to fight in Syria, and the government’s answer is to make then feel more welcome!? What the actual duck. These guys are hardcore fundamentalists. They don’t care about Ireland. Holy duck guys, we have to do something before this government destroys this country!

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:08 PM

    your govt serve the EU, the EU has an agenda to globalise EU. Multiculturalism and mass-immigration are part of the policies, which means when things like this happen, it’s all about damage limitation to keep pur borders open to mass-immigration. Your govt, does not give a sh$t what you think, they are here to implement EU directives and take “free” advice from Goldman Sachs.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:57 PM

    Aryan Light why is your profile pic in the shape of a swastika?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:35 AM

    I’d like to know how hayes knows this. He should let the gardai know so they can be blocked from re entering the country. If isis aligns with your world view, there’s really no point coming back here.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:36 AM

    He seems to be some 30000 short on his head-count :-)

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    Jan 14th 2015, 1:47 PM

    Head hackers count.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:26 AM

    Not doubting some have but would like to know how Brian Hayes knows this,do ISIS Command contact their referees back in Ireland before they’re allowed join or is there a special chartered flight from Dublin Airport to Mosul?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:40 AM

    It’s in the article. It’s based on a study last year. There’s even a link to the study in the article.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:41 AM

    Hayes is just dog-whistling, the only published information on the numbers of Irish fighting for ISIS comes from CNN and say a TV station study is not very credible would be an understatement.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:02 AM

    It is from the lady who stands in Dublin Airport asking you the purpose of your journey although the kevlar jacket, rifle bag and camel-pak should be a giveaway.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:39 AM

    Exactly. They cannot organise themselves in government and don’t really know how many are on trollies in hospitals, but they know the purpose of everyone’s travel. I travel quite a lot and have never had to explain my comings and goings.
    Think someone is jumping on the bandwagon.
    I think this could be filed under
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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:35 AM

    They should never have Irish passports in the first place.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:36 AM

    Brian Hayes must have no teeth left from putting his big foot into his mouth! He should think carefully before making ridiculous statements. These people have not gone to join ISIS to learn about peace and tolerance. They have joined one of the most savage and violent organisations in history.
    A few months in Europe and Hayes has already so detached he comes out with this cr.p.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:29 AM

    Are they Irish with foreign descendent origin?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:43 AM

    Who knows, we don’t have any credible information on who they are, how many there are, and if they even exist at all or are merely a figment of Hayes’ imagination

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:49 AM

    Of course you would say that, Boggy.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:41 AM

    Censored. Give me just 2 names. Or a link to the fact please. Or are you spouting crap like some others on here with vested interests.
    It has received the desired effect anyway. Just have a look at the comments. We have to have facts irish government.
    We are not America.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:46 AM

    Censored of course, and so would you if you’d followed the link in the story to the “Study” by CNN which is the only published information available on the numbers of Irish with ISIS, it’s not based on any quantitative information, it’s methodology is purely guesstimate rather than evidence based, so “we don’t know” is the only logical conclusion to draw.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:52 AM

    They are not Irish. Don’t allow them back! Practising the “religion of peace”! Disgusting

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:02 AM

    Indeed, they have shown their preference to be part of the Islamic State as opposed to the Irish state…

    Consider it a revocation of passport/citizenship.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:46 AM

    These psychopaths should never be allowed entry to Ireland again. I hope they all receive their due- a bullet in the head.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:02 AM

    Tear up there passports for Christ sake, what does the twit wants a welcoming committee at dublin airport, unbelievable, they have gone over there to train an slaughter fellow human beings and this dcik doesn’t think we’re being nice enough to them ! Cop on

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:31 AM

    When they come back charge them with sedition.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:39 AM

    When are we going to learn the fact that they are not going to fight ISIS, they are going to get trained and create a havoc in Europe. How many of you believe that terror in France is over? If there could be three then they much be 300. The sleeper cells are inactive and probably looking for the right time and instructions. Europop chief said there are estimated 5000 trained jihadist spread in entire Europe. So if they want to leave..leave,don’t come back..

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:10 AM

    Not Irish in my book

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:32 AM

    Remember the fella from Dublin who was one of dozens that went to Libya to fight a few years ago? He was given a heroes welcome when he came home on leave. Invited as a guest to speak on the late late show. Didn’t he go back with a couple bags full of cash, which was destined to fund that campaign? Now people might have a different view on that particular conflict, but…. Ireland is a great little country to do business in (even for terrorists).
    Tighten the fcuk up.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:01 AM

    There not true Irish

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:15 PM

    What’s “true” Irish?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:37 PM

    The Irish are a distinct ethnic group. You can become an Irish citizen. Can’t become ethnic Irish. You either are or you aren’t.

    http://www.insideireland.com/sample19.htm

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:48 PM

    It’s a typical tactic of the left. They have being doing it over in Britain for years now. English- not a real people, a mongrel race, same with the Scots,Welsh , Irish etc.
    They wish to deny that the orginal inhabitants of these islands have a heritage. If people did the same with Aborigines for instance, the Left would be screaming ‘waaycist’.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 3:06 PM

    “It’s a typical tactic of the left.”

    Much of the left and the right are gleefully united on this issue, they may differ on the details and the reasons, but fundamentally they’re the same, they want to hand more power to the State to choose who and who isn’t worthy to have rights, based on arbitrary factors.

    I asked someone to specify what they meant by “true” Irish. I didn’t receive an answer. As for ethnicities, why anyone cares about them, beyond historical and scientific curiosity, is beyond me. Can a black person be “true” Irish?

    “English- not a real people, a mongrel race, same with the Scots,Welsh , Irish etc.”

    Every race is a mongrel race. I don’t see why the idea is so offensive unless you have a vested interest in protecting the notion of racial purity.

    “They wish to deny that the orginal inhabitants of these islands have a heritage”

    I don’t recall anyone saying that people don’t have a heritage. But when people decide to start assigning rights on this basis, be prepared for it to be called out. You have as little to do with the “original inhabitants” of these islands as you do with any other peoples. It’s an incredibly stupid line of argument, that gets a free pass, because all anyone has to do these days is preface their nonsense with “I know it’s not politically correct”. I don’t care if it’s “politically correct” – it used to be politically correct to say sexist things about women (it still is to a lesser degree, sadly), it has no bearing on its truth value or measure of usefulness.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 6:38 PM

    What’a “true Israeli” Scipio? Country is not even a 70 year old creation. Cobbled together by people who happen to have the same religion across Africa, Middle East, Europe and the Americas.. barely a word of Hebrew amongst them.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 7:26 PM

    Diarmuid
    Some stats and facts to back up your assertion?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:33 PM

    Search Eagle the definition of “true Irish” is: Me and you, but sometimes I wonder about you :-)

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    Jan 15th 2015, 12:41 AM

    That’s a dubious proposition, as Protastant Irish may consider themselves British while a Catholic Irish may consider themselves Irish.This would not be based on ethnicity but rather religion and nationality.Also, would you consider Michael Fastbender ethnic Irish.?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:44 AM

    Oh F@kk off. They become terrorists because they are marginalised by the big bad westerners!!!!
    Cop yourself on Hayes

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:23 AM

    Tear up their passports and any family members left behind should be deported also.if it affects their families they might think twice about going over to Syria to fight

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:37 AM

    How very (censored) of you. Collective punishment has worked well in the occupied territories.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:39 PM

    So true, it’s resulted in a 77 year long war, and still counting.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:43 AM

    So he’s suggesting WE have to make them feel more Irish…If they move here THEY should try to be more Irish. Unfortunately many immigrants prefer not to integrate/socialise with natives. Not much we can do….

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:18 AM

    Irish or Halawa “Irish”?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:36 AM

    Who gives a toss how “Irish” they do or don’t feel? They came here from their sand dunes for a better life & to suck up everything they could get for nothing. We pay for them to swan around looking like very day is Halloween, praising Allah. The very fact that they pose a threat to our National security means they should be tried for treason & deported back to their beloved desert kips.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:05 AM

    Their not irish, and spare us the ‘new irish’ claptrap. These psychos should never be allowed back to endanger the lives of people here. Hayes needs to get his thumb out and do something about this.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:25 AM

    If they know who these people are, the only thing waiting to greet them at the airport should be a bullet in the face.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:40 PM

    But we don’t know who they are, read the article, there is in credible information on how many, who they are, or if they even exist at all.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:29 AM

    They can get themselves fully trained now come back and do serious harm to the likes of Shannon.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:24 AM

    Should never have opened Ireland up to them. Can’t close the gates now because we will be taken to European court over freedom of movement or some b@@llx like that. (.close the gate after u please.)

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:38 AM

    Do not let them back into the country. These people do not want to intergrate. By going to fight for this IS they have proved this.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:02 AM

    Passports should be immediately cancelled – stripped of citizenship and they can stay where they are – time for the PC brigade to be put in the dustbin where they belong

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:10 AM

    “only 25 to 30 individuals have gone to fight in Syria.” Roughly 10 times the number that caused mayhem in France. Je Suis Charlie

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:44 AM

    We’ve seen the pictures and videos of the beheading of Westerners but also the mass killing of Muslims as well.
    These pictures and videos were not a photo-shop manipulation of the West’s media to stir up hatred but are posted online by ISIS themselves to instill fear among all who stand in their way.
    There is something not right in the mentality of the people who support, join and leave to fight for ISIS.
    All those psychopaths and sociopaths that ever wanted a chance to kill or torture are drawn to this opportunity to give in to their base desires. They cannot claim that they do not or did not know what they were getting into, they have their eyes on the same media as we do.
    But such foreign fighters should also know that ISIS do not like those that want to go home….. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/12/isil-killed-foreign-fighters-ranks-2014122816195774477.html
    Irish people joining ISIS and leaving to fight and murder civilians, behead people for show, should not be allowed back into Ireland and should have their citizenship revoked.
    We do not need that kind of person in this country we have enough nutters already.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:39 AM

    So, do we just wait until ourselves and /or our families are shot to shreds in the local town or shopping centre, coz some one from the ever offended “peaceful religion” does’nt like the way we part our hair, or something? They’ve already said we’re annoying them, so it’s not a matter of “if” but “when” it happens. This sense of dread, is hardly likely to inspire in the eh …”real” Irish any warm & fuzzies towards Muslims, now is it?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:18 AM

    If we’re going to be an inclusive society why don’t we start with education , no separate schools for different religions ,

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:42 PM

    Unless they pay fir them

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:28 AM

    Well there’s no work for young people here! It’s “extreme” what they have to do to get a job.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:13 AM

    What an idiotic statement, they don’t fell part of the country therefore it’s totally ok to join a terrorist cell? he thinks this must be a protest against feeling segregated rather than their want to Jihad #huganextremist

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:22 AM

    Speaking as a man with a bushy beard I’m really concerned that I will be accused of fighting alongside ISIS.
    The last night I was out in Dundalk some old drunk told me to speak proper English or go back to my own country.
    I know Monaghan is in Ulster but it’s F****ng in the ROI

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:30 AM

    Just

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:35 AM

    One key way to integrate people is to not have a segregated school system!

    Put boys and girls into the same class so they can learn to understand each other better. Get rid of religion in school so that children at a young age get used to the idea of other people having different ideas and beliefs.

    The Irish education system is a recipe for sectarianism.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:41 AM

    Let’s hope they all die in the desert. Support Islamic terrorism? Not welcome in Europe.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:33 AM

    Anti air craft missiles being installed to Shannon airport

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:23 AM

    The level of racism here is disturbing. The KKK represent everyday christians in the same way IS represent everyday muslims. People need to get a grip. Tarring a massive section of global society with the same brush has never ended pleasantly before.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:36 AM

    Islamaphobia the term already being introduced into our culture as if it were an accusation of race hatred or bigotry when it’s an objection to the preachings of a very extreme an absolute religion.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:47 AM

    Personally speaking, all religions are extreme and absolute and not without inherent problems. But, not all followers are staunch. IS members, as members of all extremist terrorist groups should be condemned and stopped where possible. Members of a religious group should not be attributed with them. Are all catholics up north IRA members?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:13 PM

    Can you show me an example, from the last few hundred years, where large groups of muslims moved into an area and chaos and social strife didn’t explode? No? Didn’t think so. What makes you think that Ireland and Europe shall be different?

    Europe countries have pumped billions upon billions into integration programs, welfare, free education, free healthcare, welfare, housing etc. They are still not integrated and social problems are rocketing. Not to mention their over reliance on welfare and high crime rates throughout Europe.

    It’s utter madness and it needs to stop.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:14 PM

    ‘all religions are extreme and absolute ‘ That is a clearly false statement.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:20 PM

    Jay, that is just a stupid, made up comment based on nothing.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:21 PM

    Scipio, you missed the ‘personally speaking’ part of your chisen quote…

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:31 PM

    It’s based on the stats. I don’t make up jack sh*t. Anyone familiar with my postings can attest to that. Name a western European country and I’ll pull up the muslim unemployment and prison population figures. They are vastly overrepresented in both all across western and northern Europe. That’s the reality.

    I don’t think that Europe can continue to absorb the current level of inward immigration from Muslim countries without suffering catastrophic consequences.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 1:18 PM

    Jay, that’s a straw man argument if ever I saw one. Anyone with a brain knows that unemployment numbers and prison populations are directly related to poverty and marginalisation. Perhaps we should be looking at how to reduce the proportion of unemployed young people (which is higher in marginalised groups), thereby also reducing the prison population for the same communities, and assisting such groups to integrate.
    Instead, you are producing rhetoric that amounts to nothing more than hate speech. How does that help the situation?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:24 AM

    Excellent article in The Guardian about the root causes of radicalisation:
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/14/the-role-of-islam-in-radicalisation-is-grossly-overestimated
    Basically, once young people are in the ‘operational’ stage, ie leaving the country to fight, it’s too late. We need to catch people who are at risk of radicalisation (through poverty, marginalisation, etc) and intervene before it gets to this point. Such interventions, usually with the help of the whole family, can be very successful. We need to stop shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:20 AM

    That article is an apology for an Islamic terrorism. No surprises it is in the Guardian.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:20 AM

    The Guardian! “We need more money for integration programs”.

    “We need to stop shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.”

    I agree. We need to stop accepting low skilled immigrants from religous and culturally backward non European countries. Instead, we need to encourage highly skilled people and entrepreneurs. We aren’t running a soup kitchen here.

    We won’t have many problems with integration then.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:24 PM

    Scipio, did you ever for a minute stop to think that the world is not just black and white? It’s a whole complicated situation. Young muslims don’t become radicals just because they are young and muslim. People in the west shout and scream about denying them their rights to travel, rights to a passport etc, and you wonder why so many young muslims (and not just muslims, fyi) become radical.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:35 PM

    I’m not sure what you’re point is Jane but Islam is a religion that has being immersed in violence from it’s very beginnings.
    You think we should ignore the sermons preachers give aross the Middle East in Arabic? It’s quite easy to get translations of them if you wish. All those condemnations from places like KSA and Qatar are for PR purposes.
    Meanwhile they’re the primary funders of Salafist/Wahabbi groups worldwide.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:36 PM

    Sir Winston Churchill wrote about the problems associated with Islam over 120 year ago in ‘ The River War’ and nothing has changed since then so how many years do they need to adapt and integrate ?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_River_War

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:40 PM

    Sir Winston wrote ” The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die: but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome”
    Last time I posted this it was censored but since the latest lot of atrocities across the planet I would hope that journalists will now see that his writings were and still are on the button. Je Suis Charlie.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 3:11 PM

    “I agree. We need to stop accepting low skilled immigrants from religous and culturally backward non European countries. Instead, we need to encourage highly skilled people and entrepreneurs.”

    Why would they want to come here with the attitudes displayed on this thread?

    “We aren’t running a soup kitchen here.”

    Tell that to our ~20 billion euro social welfare bill.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 2:08 PM

    Believe me. The only way these people can integrate with the society is when everyone else converts to Islam. Kick them out. They’re s**m anyway.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:24 AM

    Let the ARW martyr them.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:35 AM

    Talk about missing the point! What he quite obviously meant is he wants Muslims to become more integrated into the community so young Muslim men feel really Irish and won’t feel like tripping off to another country to fight. Hopefully they don’t read the journal comments or they’ll never feel that way!

    Replace the word Islam or Muslim with Jew or black then see how acceptable these comments about kicking them out of the country sound. 1930′s Germany anyone?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:49 AM

    Exactly, Fiona! Such a relief to read some sense. I posted a link to a good Guardian article above on this topic, it’s worth a read.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:16 AM

    It’s astounding the racism on this site. I’ll judge anyone individually and on the basis that I know enough about them to form an opinion. Should be ashamed with some of the sweeping comments here.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:18 AM

    Groups of 1930s Jews were not perpetrating terrorist attacks agitating for their religious laws to be implemented and going off to do jihad. Its a facile analogy.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:25 AM

    If a few comments on the internet freak you out, I can’t wait to see your reaction when you have an articulate and well educated anti mass immigration party to deal with.

    The shrieks of indignation will be as equally humorous as they will be deafening. The days of open borders are shuttering to a rapid halt all across Europe. The natives have had enough.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 11:27 AM

    Scipio, not all germans were nazi’s and not all muslims are jihadist. The above analogy suggests that many commenters here are akin to 1930′s nazis with regard their sweeping statements toward muslims. Apt, I’d say.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:11 PM

    Well you’re clearly wrong. You know who resemble the Nazis in all of this Peter. The Islamists. They’re the group with the far-right totalitarian authoritarian ideology, that is akin to nazism.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:12 PM

    “I can’t wait to see your reaction when you have an articulate and well educated anti mass immigration party to deal with”

    I’ve yet to see one, anywhere.

    I know there are those who want to drag us back from the 21st century of looser borders, global business and the increasing mingling of cultures, into the ruination of nationalism where the State gets to decide what’s acceptable and what isn’t. We already tried the whole isolation thing… it doesn’t work.

    It’s not a vision I particularly welcome.

    ” The days of open borders are shuttering to a rapid halt all across Europe.”

    Until they start affecting the ‘natives’ themselves, then suddenly it’ll be a problem. It’s amusing and depressing in equal measure, to hear the left and right united in wanting the State to take more power for itself.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:18 PM

    Read through the comments Scipio, people are calling for a closed border society. They are just short of saying put all muslims in a box and send them away. It’s ridiculous.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:19 PM

    Well that is your problem. The majority of people clearly desire to have border controls in place. And in a democracy that is what counts.
    It tends to be only dangerous idealogues who desire the opposite. Sensible people know open borders is lunacy.
    If border controls were ditched Europe would be overun within a matter of years by third world immigration.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:23 PM

    Scipio, I condemned closed borders not called for open borders. You are having a different argument. False dichotomy!

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:24 PM

    People desire stronger border controls Peter, in line with the likes of Canada, Australia and NZ. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Also nothing wrong with calling for anybody who heads down to Syria or Iraq to be stripped of their citizenship. Not too long ago treason was a capital offense.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:25 PM

    Peter that comment was in response to Search Eagle.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:29 PM

    Scipio, no-one is defending extreme militant jihadists, just the tarring of all muslims with that brush. The countries with some of the tightest border security have their history in european invasion. How many generations before we accept a people as Irish or European?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:52 PM

    ‘The countries with some of the tightest border security have their history in european invasion’

    What’s that supposed to mean Peter? Should people plead guilty for the crimes their ancestors may have committed?
    I have worked down in Australia and believe me if you asked the average Aborigine do they desire more immigration or less, they would answer in the latter almost every time.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 1:10 PM

    No they shouldn’t, in the same way people shouldn’t apologise (or be bkamed) for the crimes of their neighbours, cousins, extended families or country folk.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 1:32 PM

    I agree. But nore should we continue to ignore dangerous far-right religious ideologies that seek to subvert are hard won democratic freedoms.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 1:49 PM

    We should never ignore any genuine threat but we shouldn’t accuse those who aren’t responsible based on ethnicity or religious creed.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 3:30 PM

    “Well that is your problem. The majority of people clearly desire to have border controls in place. And in a democracy that is what counts.”

    Oh I agree, if the majority of people want that, then that’s what will happen. It won’t stop me thinking the majority is wrong. How many people think something has no bearing what-so-ever on its truth value. That said I don’t agree that the majority of people want the types of controls you ask for. Many people may want tougher border controls in place, but only up until the point it personally affects them, then it’ll magically be a problem.

    I know there are a lot of people who for example, want to curtail the freedom of movement in the EU, but what happens when they decide they want to work in another state? Well, I suppose, maybe it wouldn’t come to that, they’d have to want to work in the first place.

    “It tends to be only dangerous idealogues who desire the opposite. Sensible people know open borders is lunacy.

    What ideology do I hold?

    “I agree. But nore should we continue to ignore dangerous far-right religious ideologies that seek to subvert are hard won democratic freedoms.”

    The far left and far right are united on wanting to strip our freedoms to buy us false security. Whether it’s restricting freedom of movement, freedom of speech, the right to privacy etc. there’s always some extra power to hand over to the State, ripe to be abused later. I will make no apology for not trusting the Irish State and its cretinous political classes, given its long history of corruption, censorship and abuse. And you want to give it more power to cancel passports? To remove citizenships? etc.

    Again, I’ve said it before, people are happy to casually throw away the rights of others, but once you give the government a power, it ain’t gonna give it back, especially in a country where every single main party (FG, Labour, FF, SF) is a left/center-left authoritarian. So no thanks. Let the police do their job, and accept that the only long term solution to terrorism isn’t authoritarianism, it’s education and the dismantling of poisonous ideologies such as extreme Islam, as unpopular as it is to say. There is no easy solution.

    And I hope people give a better welcome to Muslims than they do here (I’m sure they do!) If any Irish Muslims read this, you’re perfectly welcome here in Ireland, and you’re as Irish as you want to be, enjoy yourself!

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    Jan 14th 2015, 7:24 PM

    Fiona
    Using the 1930′s Germany buzz meme is an attempt to emotionally blackmail from having the right to protect their European ethynicity and control their borders. Every ethnicity regardless of race has the right to protect themselves, your denial of that right is more akin to the Soviet thought-control gulag mentality.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:02 PM

    Seriously Laisair? You’re talking about Europeans having the right to keep their own ethnicity while at the same time denying this is in any way akin to Nazi Germany? Aryan race ring any bells?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 1:05 PM

    A number of young people have gone to fight with the Daesh. Ok so now we do the right thing throw them to the wolfs. We don’t want these kind of people here in Ireland. Ireland is starting to get a name of hiding jihadists in our country.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:14 PM

    Evil should be locked up for life . LIFE. Never let out again. Theses people slaughter innocent people no matter what religion. Get real

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:51 PM

    Young Irish people?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:20 AM

    Owen O Duffy and his Fine Gael blueshirts went to fight for tyranny, popery nd Franco in1930s.Spain.Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:38 AM

    Let’s not forget the craven socialists who went to fight as well.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:07 AM

    Are you comparing the Spanish civil war to what IS are doing? You should be subject to a partial lobotomy to spare us from your nonsense

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:18 PM

    @ Live Long, see the comment from your chum under mine where I mentioned the Charlie Hebdo dead ““They died so that we could live in freedom” Salute and may they Rest in Peace.” Trying to out-crazy the usual suspects.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 7:20 PM

    Charles
    You are comparing apples and oranges. Native Irishmen fighting against innocent people being slaughtered compared to non-native Irish and their children, here under unconsented mass-immigration policy going off to slaughter innocent people in Syria and Iraq. No doubt one day they would use their training to threaten Irish people.

    “Word reached Ireland about the anti-Clerical violence, rape, and murder by the end of which 12 bishops, 4184 priests, 2365 religious, 283 nuns, and over 3,000 lay Church helpers, who were entirely innocent of any complicity in class oppression, would lie dead and mutilated”

    “Tom Barry was a hero of the Irish War of Independence, was against sending IRA members to aid the Spanish Republic and any members who wanted to aid the Communist had to resign from the IRA. A former British army officer and member of the International Brigade was the Jewish Captain Nathan who as a member of the murderous Black and Tans, the most hated force of British Military presence in Ireland and was personally responsible for the murder of two prominent Limerick Sinn Feiners in 1920. He did not deny his misdemeanors during the “Tan War.” ”
    http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showthread.php/70432-Irish-in-the-service-of-Franco

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    Jan 15th 2015, 12:25 AM

    You clearly have no insight into the atrocities that were committed in the Spanish Civil War against the civilian population by Franco and the facists backed by Hitler who saw it as a prelude to WWll.I include in this the bombing of Gurnica ,the first mass air bombarment of a civilian population.Tens of thousands and democracy died in Spain in the 1930s.Take a crash course in history.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:02 AM

    Scaremonger much The Journal?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:35 PM

    Not scaremongering just dog-whistling, it generates footfall and from that income.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:19 PM

    Racism is definitely still alive in Ireland. Disgraceful comments

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:22 PM

    How is it racist to be against people who join a terrorist organisation responsible for brutal atrocities and intent on changing our way of life? Please explain?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 1:35 PM

    Islam is not a race , it is an ideology that excludes us, the kuffar, and seeks a world run under sharia law and it’s total domination. It is an ideology that spreads fear and terror anywhere it gets a hold even amongst it’s own people who don’t subscribe to it’s outlandish ambitions. You can not become an ex-Moslem , the penalty is death.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 3:33 PM

    Correct, Mort, Islam is not a race, and it should be scrutinised and ripped apart like all bad ideas.

    But if you honestly think there hasn’t been racism expressed on this thread, then you don’t know what racism is. Look at some of the comments that have been made about Muslims, and immigrants in general.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 3:41 PM

    They shouldn’t be permitted to migrate to Ireland in the first place, Brian!

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    Jan 14th 2015, 5:36 PM

    Where their greatest enemy is a cartoon, anyone who covers up their face must be a right coward or as ugly as hell…

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:15 AM

    how do we know these individuals went to Syria to fight for the Islamic state? genuinely curious, because they’d have to have said so themselves don’t they?

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:53 AM

    20 people out of about 50 thousand, less than 0.1 percent.

    But yeah lets introduce police statery laws and panic cos Blueshirt anti Nordie Brian Hayes and Israeli ambassador Flanagan are panicking.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:08 AM

    This all comes from a poll carried out by CNN know for telling the truth aren’t they. Truth is no one actually knows why they flew there. Could just be to save family.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 12:26 PM

    This was in the Sunday Times ……
    Catch up Journal please. ….

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    Jan 14th 2015, 9:14 PM

    I agree revoke their passport. If we allow them to hold a passport we are asking other governments to facilitate them, read the inside of a passport and you will see this!
    Allowing them to continue to have a passport is in fact supporting them in their goals !

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    Jan 21st 2015, 11:43 PM

    When is Ireland going to restrict Muslim immigration; when it’s too late? That Islamic dictator Dr Ali selim (also a lecturer in trinity and mater dei, see where the Islamic apologists are) has said that Ireland will be ruled by Sharia law if Muslims become the majority. Why are we just waiting for it and not doing something???

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    Jan 14th 2015, 8:48 PM

    The level of racist comments here is so appalling that I’m beginning to think a sizeable proportion of Irish society has no understanding of what racism is and is therefore totally unaware they’re being racist.

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    Jan 21st 2015, 11:45 PM

    Doesn’t matter what Ireland does, they don’t want to integrate, they want to be a detached group; they have no interest in our way of life or in changing or adapting in any way. The sad thing is they are being backed up by many Irish people who are trying to ‘be nice’ but unfortunately you won’t eradicate radicalism with tolerance.

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    Nov 16th 2015, 5:55 PM

    Home grown terrorists are all ready here

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