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TWO AUSTRALIAN DRUG smugglers in Indonesia were transferred today to an island where they will be executed, as the Australian leader said his country was “revolted” by their looming deaths after frantic diplomatic efforts to save them.
Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran, the ringleaders of the so-called “Bali Nine” drug smuggling gang, were woken and given a few minutes to get ready before leaving Bali’s Kerobokan jail in the early hours, said local justice ministry official Nyoman Putra Surya.
The men, sentenced to death in 2006 for trying to smuggle heroin out of Indonesia, said “thank you” before leaving, and “we handcuffed them and they were quiet”, he added.
About 200 police, 50 soldiers and a water cannon were stationed outside the Bali prison as the men, in their early 30s, were driven out.
The pair were flown to Cilacap, on Java island, on a chartered commercial flight accompanied by military aircraft.
Two armoured vehicles escorted by elite police then boarded a boat at the local port which crossed to Nusakambangan island, home to several high security prisons and where the pair will be executed, an AFP reporter at the scene said.
Attorney-General Muhammad Prasetyo said Wednesday that final preparations, such as training the firing squads, were still being made before a date could be set for execution of the Australians and several other drugs offenders.
Authorities must give convicts 72 hours notice before they are executed. Convicts from France, Brazil, the Philippines, Nigeria and Ghana also recently lost appeals for clemency, and speculation is mounting over whether they will be included in the next round of executions.
‘Sick in their guts’
Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott, who has repeatedly called for Jakarta not to go ahead with the executions, said Australians were sickened by the developments.
“We frankly are revolted by the prospect of these executions,” he said, adding that “right now millions of Australians are feeling sick in their guts”.
Abbott said he hoped there might be a “change of heart in Indonesia”, but added: “What I don’t want, though, is to hold out false hope.”
However, he added: “I hope that even at this late hour, the better angels of the Indonesian peoples’ nature will reassert themselves”.
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But, where is the proof? Is it no longer needed? Surely they can analyze the nerve gas agent and find out where it came from. Surely they can wait that long before placing blame. Though Russia is the most likely suspect, they could just as easily be framed.
@Andy K: so, to paraphrase: “why am I not seeing the same stuff the investigators with high level security clearance are?”
@Dave O Keeffe: or to paraphrase “there’s no proof – might be the Russian, we need to blame someone, Russia it is so!”
@Andy K: So Russia is the likely suspect even though they had the opportunity to kill him for four years(he was in a Russian prison) then another 8 years(since the exchange date) but naw, they are gonna do it so close to the presidential elections. Its quite suspicious that Britain had done it, firstly as I mentioned they don’t want Putin in power (create a scandal) or because of the world cup(the English were fiercely against it being held in Russia)
@Andy K: It’s amazing how quickly people forget the WMD arguments from not too long ago.
@Tom Tom exactly!! Like the boy who called wolf!
@Andy K: there is reasonable proof in the agent used. Look at the reporrs so far that are vague for security purposes but the nerve agent used is the proof that Russia is the culprit.
@Andy K: No proof needed when u hv a rotten currupt lying MSM on board to push the narrative.
@noBankAccBertie: ‘MSM’= anything which runs contrary to the claims of Our Glorious Leader. Gorrit comrade!
@Andy K: Russia developed the nerve gas during ww2. The Russian military are the only ones with it. How much proof do you want?. They invaded Iraq and completely destabilised the country with no proof whatsoever. Here is Russia with alarming proof that they instigated a chemical weapons attack on English soil and not a mention of being terrorists. Seems like on rule for Countrys in the Middle east and a different rule for Countrys that have large financial assets in London.
@Andy K: What nobody is mentioning is that the Ministry of Defence’s Defence Science and Technology Laboratory- Britains chemical weapons laboratory, is at Porton Down just six miles away from the location in Salisbury where Skripal and his daughter were found
@B9xiRspG: did you not get your MI6 briefing?
@Mark Pa: they had the opportunity, that’s true but they got something in return for him instead and decided to keep their promise to kill traitors
@JimmyMc: wasn’t it 8 miles away yesterday?
@Andy K: UK chemical experts say that a military grade nerve agent was used to attack a Russian citizen in the UK. The UK themselves are forbidden by international agreement from producing military grade nerve agents. The only people who would be interested in killing a Russian double agent would be….um…Russians. They were given time to respond. They didn’t. Logical deduction is then applied.
@Mark Pa: ah never mind they ‘could have killed him’ before nonsense – the line that was crossed is using chemicals / nerve agents / poisons that endanger the public and in this case an innocent police officer too – stop with the rubbish theories – they know where these ‘agents’ are made and they have a lot more surveillance and information than they can share publicly – the dark arts and world of espionage is brutal on all sides but the indiscriminate way the public are being exposed to danger is the real significant issue here – dont pay too much attention to all the spin and lies about spy agencies as most of it is intentionally inaccurate— on all sides.
@Dave Hammond: I understand that but everyone is blaming Russia, where is the proof? If Russia wanted, they would have done it before. In my opinion, it could have been the British government did that. Why? To create a scandal. Yous always place the blame on Russia and don’t look for other answers
@Andy K: It has been analysed by UK scientists, the UK government are in contact with the OPCW in Holland according to the UK ambassador to the UN, as stated at the Security Council emergency meeting yesterday. There is no reason for the evidence garnered by the authorities to release their findings yet to the public domain whilst the criminal investigation continues. If the OPCW confirm what the UK scientists have discovered, there will probably be much greater repercussions around the world. Provided of course an alternative source to Europe’s gas demands can be met outside Gazprom.
@Andy K: you need to watch sky news so you’ll be sufficiently brainwashed
@Mark Pa: did you also not get your MI6 briefing? Resubmit your email address and it’ll be added to the group once your security clearance is checked
@Dave O Keeffe: no clue what you’re talking about
@Mark Pa: So Theresa May ordered the murder of a Russian double agent and his teenage daughter in a public restaurant with an illegaly sourced nerve agent created by the russians?
@Mark Pa: you’re complaining about not seeing evidence
@Mark Pa: don’t worry, neither does he
@B9xiRspG: Russian bot
@Mark Pa: Russian bot
@Andy K: yeah they did. Big news. It came from Russia. No surprise there
@Mjhint: sssh! you can’t be talking sense here!
@JimmyMc: You need to read more – PD has been bandied about in the news since the issue arose, so Nil points for trying to start that rumour… :-)
@Tom Purcell:
The false flag conspiracy theorists are gas!
Picture the conversation in MI6 HQ:
“right, we’re going to poison a russian spy with a military nerve agent and blame it on Putin.”
“good idea. Why don’t we do it just outside our own military nerve agent complex – that way nobody will suspect it’s us…..”
@Walt Jabsco:
“Good idea, get on ebay and get some of that Russian stuff”
“Can’t we use ours?”
“No it went off years ago, the fuse went in the fridge and no one noticed”
“Who we goin to do it on?”
“we’ll find some old retired lad nobody knows”
“But remember, don’t go mad on plans, we’re on a budget with Brexit and trying to keep an eye on Boris”
“Yelsin?”
“No, Johnson”
@neilo: exactly!… :-)
@neilo: exactly!…
sarcasm :-)
@Walt Jabsco: So why would Russia assassinate them in such a way that they are seen as the culprits? And they are not dead. Why not use a gun? Much easier to get and harder to pin the blame. Also much more likely to succeed.
Either Russia wanted people to know it was them or someone framed them. Either option is completely viable. Dismissing one as a mad conspiracy without proof is stupidity. Military tactics are all about stealth and diversion.
@Michael Farrelly: No. They suspect it is from Russia, but there is no proof at the moment.
@Andy K:
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@Andy K:
Why didn’t they just shoot Litvinenko?
It took him months to die, and according to the inventor of Novichok the victims in this case are unlikely to survive and will die painfully.
It’s all about sending a message – if you’re thinking of betraying the motherland, bear in mind that we have long memories, we will find you, and we will kill you. Putin pretty much said as much.
@Andy K: Its (according to the Brits) Russia but that is stuff/stock from the 1980′s and the Brits have their own stocks of it (how else could they identify it). So who knows what this former spy was up the Brits certainly had no clue.
@Austin Rock: There are several different nerve agents in the Novichok range. So which one did the Brits have? And if they had samples why did it take over a week to identify?
Would it be that they knew from the symptoms that a nerve agent was used but needed time to analyse its chemical makeup of the agent to figure out what type?
And the easiest to ID and dismiss would be those that would have been well known in the West such as Sarin or VX. And Russia even today denies the existence of the Novichok range of nerve agents despite evidence from the man who helped invent them. So they had to which of the new exotics it was.
@Michael Farrelly: Pentagon bot
@Mick Jordan: Pentagon bot…who along with “Michael Farrelly” seems to be programed to troll every thread involving Russia.
Over and over. A real person would have to occasionally stop to get some sleep….
@Dessie Deratta: I wish I was. With all the perks that would go with the job.
@Andy K: even trump now admits it was Russia
@Michael farrelly: there is no proof of Russia doing it. People say that the nerve agent is Russia n but we are not given the name of it. If their aim was to kill him they would have done it ages ago and not before presidential elections. Its a set up. And thanks for calling me a Russian bot just because I have a different opinion and not brainwashed by western European propaganda (even though I live in ireland)
@Carina Clarke: Are you being serious here? Russia invaded Iraq? Did I miss something? You seem to be very well educated in this matter, tell us more.
@Mark Pa: what bull
@Michael farrelly: yeah sure, yous are naive, would believe anything USA would tell you
Was it Russians who murdered DR David kelly.
@Martin Ryan: Over 33 critics of Putin have met suspicious/untimely deaths around the world in a little over 11 years.
@Martin Ryan: and Robin Cook actually the Ruusians were bold boys.
@Martin Ryan: Is it Putinbots who engage in desperate deflection/whataboutery on any Russia-related article?
@neilo:
The worst part of it is that the body being exhumed will add fuel to the conspiracy theorists’ fire – they’ll be creaming themselves over a ‘cover up’….
@Harry Whitehead: so true Harry. The problem is many people believe them to be real people with real opinions. Journal do something about this
@neilo: and you know better huh ?
@Harry Whitehead: Pentagon bot
The US, UK and their allies need to look at freezing all suspect Russian assets.
@Jurgen a large number of Russian oligarchs have been donating to the Tory GE candidates…how about starting there
@Jurgen Remak: thats the uks usa plans well before the fake gas attack!
@Jamie Thornton: Bot #946738, how many times we have to discuss with you? In English you need to put apostrophes. Carry on like this and we will deduct pay #End transmission
@Nigel O’Neill: how about starting with the Israeli lobby donations to the tories.
@noBankAccBertie: How about sticking to the topic at hand instead of spamming the entire comments section with whataboutery posts?
@Harry Whitehead: Jaysus Harry, give it a break, like a good man. We know you love your Government. We Irish only comment like we do, because we know BS when we see it. This whole set up stinks.
@Jamie Thornton: yet another Russian bot
@noBankAccBertie: irrelevant to this
@Cal Mooney: you’re the one with the BS
@Jurgen Remak: Pentagon bot
@Michael Farrelly: yet another Pentagon bot
@Dessie Deratta: haha I’m anything but a bot. I have criticized the US many times on here. Have you criticized Russia ?
@Michael farrelly: Never
@Dessie Deratta: Don’t let the truth stop your propaganda
Dont worry its all planned,why wouldn’t the Russians just put a bullet to this mans head if they wanted to kill him? Looks to me some one wanted to cause a big fuss.there is some thing alot bigger comeing down the line .
@Jamie Thornton: two things which I find intriguing;
What advantage is it for Russia to get rid of this guy, and yes I agree if they wanted him gone he would be?
Secondly it is plausible that this was carried out to by a third party to create tension between uk and Russia.
Russian investors are scoping up any opportunities they wish in the uk and ultimately the profits are coming back into the Russian economy
@Shane Murphy: The advantage to Russia, if you think about it for two seconds, is that any potential double agent, whistleblower or informer can see what has happened to an old man and his daughter who thought they were safe from Putin’s tentacles.
If I were someone undecided about releasing information about Vlad’s regime, I’d be petrified right now (if I wasn’t already).
@Shane Murphy: Yes i agree it could have been carried out by third party,but its all so plausible that UK USA want Russians out of Syria ect, i think one would have to look at the whole bigger picture of what’s going on with wars control of oil ect.they will stop at nothing to contain Russia.
@Jamie Thornton:
You could say the same about Litvinenko – it’s more about putting out a message than just killing someone.
@ihcalaM: I agree with your comment and it has all the hall marks of KGB, however he is still alive which is not at all like the KGB to be so sloppy
@Shane Murphy: Litvinenko lived for a while in hospital after his very public Polonium execution, too – but eventually passed away as the radiation poisoning kicked in.
This guy is in hospital in a critical condition, who knows if he’ll ever make it out alive. Even if it does, the point has been made – don’t **** with Russian interests or we’ll put you in a hospital bed with the nastiest weapons we can lay our hands on.
@neilo: yeah Neilo, the Brits story is much more plausible. Even on the BBC website the pair did not slump on the bench until 3.45pm. But magically, the whole press had congregated to report on nerve agent use in less than 2 hours. Pull the other one, it has bells on it.
@Cal Mooney:When the pair were brought to the hospital they would have been checked by the doctors for a drug overdose. That would have been ruled out very quickly. As their were two victims with the same symptoms a stroke would have been also ruled out immediately. So the logical conclusion would have been something toxic entered their system. So they would have noted their symptoms and checked the medical database for similar symptoms for poisons and would have found that hey they have the symptoms of being exposed to some form of Chemical Nerve Agent. And it wasn’t for nearly a week after the diagnoses that what type of Nerve Agent was used. So your attempt at conspiracy simply doesnt fly. As for the press. Doctors have phones too.
@Mick Jordan: incorrect, you yourself proposed the nerve agent the night the story broke. Go read your own posts.
@Mick Jordan: also, yesterday you said the rest if NATO were fully aligned on the response to the incident. I read today that France are demanding you guys calm the he’ll down and start getting evidence instead of wild accusations like there have been all week. The UK tantrums have to stop before you lose all remaining credibility in front of world opinion.
@Cal Mooney: Cal, because that was what the Police had reported it was a nerve agent. And they would have been informed by the Hospital. I know that logic is hard to grasp in Conspiracy World but try using it sometime. It may help you.
@Cal Mooney: Actually I said nothing about NATO alignment. But late last night France swung in behind the UK. Like I said you should watch Western Media instead of RT and Sputnik TV.
@Mick Jordan: go read the French comms today. It is basically telling the Brits to calm the touch down and get hard evidence.
@Mick Jordan: you never answered my question from yesterday – are sanctions working against Russia or not?
@gjpb: Not really. They are far to weak. Good sanctions would utterly cripple the Russian economy. All Russian Offshore funds would be frozen or seized. And anyone even remotely associated with the regime barred by every Western country.
@Mick Jordan: the sanctions are working. the Russian economy has been severely hampered by them and they are annoying Putin big time!!!
now why would Russia risk facing further sanctions when they are trying their hardest to get rid of the current sanctions?
@gjpb: Ahh not according to the Russians themselves they are not. Wheat production has doubled. Military spending up. Russian Oligarchs spending just as much. Oil and Gas prices on the rise. No current sanctions are no more than a minor inconvenience. Like I said full on sanctions is the way to go.
@Mick Jordan: more spin from you – I think we all know that current sanctions have impacted Russia and angered Putin but you won’t admit it.
Why on earth is Russia going to risk full on sanctions for this guy????
Russians are by no means innocent but they have too much to lose here – further sanctions, World Cup restrictions, no further spy swaps, etc, etc.
you really think they are that stupid to use a nerve agent that only they supposedly produce that will link the murder directly back to them straight away?
please stop feeding us your NATO/CIA bull and open your eyes!
@Cal Mooney: You may want to revise what you were saying about the French Position. Read the Article as has been updated. And you will see that I was correct once again.
@gjpb: Then you had better tell Vlad he is lying. Because he is the one making the claim.
@Mick Jordan: I think we both know not to believe everything the Kremlin (or any government) says.
we all know that the Russians do not want further sanctions and are trying to reverse the current ones.
it makes no sense for Russia to have done this so openly and so far all your excuses blaming them are easily torn apart.
@Jamie Thornton: you obviously haven’t been watching sky news with the rest of the brainwashed idiots
@gjpb: So now you are saying Vlad is a liar!!! We are making progress. Won’t be long now to where you too agree it was the Russians that used WMD twice now in the UK.
@Bart: You do realise there are many many other news outlets other than Sky and the BBC reporting the exact same. But if RT says it’s not so, therefore it cannot be so, is that it?
@Mick Jordan:
I have an open mind not to believe everything any government says. If you are to have any credibility, you wold agree.
however, you are side-stepping the point (yet again) in that why on earth would the Russians do this when they have more to lose than to gain.
@gjpb: I have told you at least a dozen times on multiple threads why the Russians have done this. Now if you have Alzheimer’s or just poor cognitive understanding, I cannot help you.
@gjpb:
Q1) Why would Russia do this if it gave rise to further sanctions?
Q2) Why would the UK do this if it made it virtually impossible to recruit future spies?
Discuss.
@Mick Jordan: yes, there are reasons why the Russians may have done this but the disadvantages greatly outweigh the advantages as I have explained to you multiple times.
Russia has nothing to gain from doing this and certainly not by doing it in such an open manner.
@Walt Jabsco:
in relation to your Q1, that’s what I am saying. Nobody seems to have an answer to this as it is not in Russia’s overall benefit to do this.
in relation to Q2, I am not necessarily saying that the UK did this either. However, while Russia is not entirely innocent in its affairs, NATO countries definitely want to restrict what Russia is doing and they want any excuse to impose more sanctions, boycott the world cup, etc
There is just not enough evidence to point the finger at anyone yet and start imposing sanctions on a certain country.
To just believe everything the likes of the UK and US (and Russian) government say is being naïve.
@Jamie Thornton: Russian bot
@Shane Murphy: how about because Putin is a dictator and he feels he can do whatever he likes ?
@gjpb:
The UK may well have hard evidence that isn’t in the public domain – it was certainly enough to convince a sceptical French government to perform a rapid change of position.
@Cal Mooney: Any comment about the French position now Cal???? I was wrong was I??
@Shane Murphy: sure sure. Defend Russia and their interference in Western democracy.
@Walt Jabsco: no it wasn’t …. the joint statement asks questions of Russia, but does not directly blame Russia. You are reading something that isn’t written. A bit like everything the Brits have done around this entire fiasco to date.
@Walt Jabsco:
I wouldn’t necessarily believe the French either. They have been involved in a few dodgy deeds themselves.
the UK need to release this concrete evidence that they supposedly have.
@Cal Mooney: Well Cal nothing to say about the French??
@Bart: No Bart gave up watching sky news after WMD lies and all there other bull$hit.
@Cal Mooney:
Your bosses obviously aren’t keeping you up to speed:
“But in a statement issued on Thursday morning, a spokesperson for Mr Macron said: “Since the beginning of the week, the United Kingdom has kept France closely informed of the evidence gathered by British investigators and evidence of Russia’s responsibility in the attack.
“France agrees with the United Kingdom that there is no other plausible explanation and reiterates its solidarity with its ally.”
Speaking separately to reporters in western France, Mr Macron himself added, according to the Reuters news agency: “Everything leads us to believe that responsibility is in fact attributable to Russia,” Macron told reporters in western France.”
@Walt Jabsco: How many times has he inferred I was lying and wrong now? 3? And in each case I gave accurate and correct info, to his false narrative, denials and deflection attempts.
@gjpb: Real sanctions would on the North Korea level.
@Mick Jordan:
so Russia wants to infuriate the West so that the West puts sanctions on it similar to North Korea – that makes sense all right.
also, not sure what accurate info you are giving bar spouting the same tripe over and over.
we still don’t have any concrete evidence that it was Russia – do you know something that we don’t? If so you need to let the Uk know asap. right now, the most the UK, France, etc are saying is that there is no other plausible explanation.
@gjpb: Unfortunately the current round of Sanctions are weak as water. What I said was (and as I have noticed now on several occasions your understand of Latin print in English is some what limited) that North Korean style Sanctions are what is required to bring Russia to heel.
@Mick Jordan: Pentagon bot
@Dessie Deratta: Yep
@gjpb: still a message to others, don’t you get that ?
@gjpb: do you believe in the words of a dictator then ?
Hailey at it again from Iran, NK to Russia reading from the same neocon warmonger script Colan Powell used with his WMD retoric….same old same old.
@noBankAccBertie: indeed, how dare russia fight against isis agents bought and paid for by the axis of terror (usa, uk, france)
@noBankAccBertie: Russian bot
@jon-boy55: Russian bot
@noBankAccBertie: she is right about Russia at least
@jon-boy55: haha. You’re having a laugh bot
@noBankAccBertie: and just who was “Colan Powell” – Oh you mean Colin Powell – You should check your russian translator, it’s not helping your ‘bot efficiency
@sean Conway. This is an election year for Putin. Its not about getting caught or killing two nobodies in international eyes, its putin puffing out his chest to his own people saying if you work with the other side we will get you. His own people don’t really matter, the average Russian is extremely poor so all most have is a daily slog and national pride and he plays an exceptional game in making them believe the world is agaisnt them. He might well be right but this situation suits him down to the ground
@ChuckE: Don’t know where you got this “average Russian is extremely poor” bit from. There are poor people, of course, there is also a sizable middle class. They may not be Putin’s target audience, of course. This stereotype that the Russians (or Iranians, for that matter) are some mass of uneducated easily fooled people is simply wrong.
@Zmeevo Libe:
He didn’t say they were uneducated or easily fooled, he only said they were poor – anything else is just projecting your own preconceptions.
It’s all relative of course, by global standards the average Russian is quite well off, but by western standards their standard of living is indeed quite poor.
@ChuckE: election ? What a joke
@Zmeevo Libe: well they have let Putin become a dictator
It stinks of double standards.
A British secret agent has been going around killing people on foreign soil for years and not one word about it from the British or foreign press.
This Bond fella needs to be brought to account asap.
Going around the world stealing their women and drinking their martinis. Disgraceful!
@Aidan Mitchell: in truth, the Brits were carrying out extra judicial assassinations in Ireland and the North for years. They do love their hypocrisy.
@Cal Mooney: Wally, if HM Goverment bullshitted on the same scale that the Kremlin does, they would be claiming Bloody Sunday was really a false flag operation by the Irish Defence Forces, that Pat Finucane’s death was actually a suicide gone wrong and that the Black and Tans were actually a spontaneous uprising by loyal Irishmen.
@Harry Whitehead: actually on bloody Sunday the Brits claimed many of the murdered were armed. You really don’t have a clue.
@Aidan Mitchell: whataboutery bot
@Cal Mooney: Sure, they lied in order to try and justify the shootings. But at least they didn’t deny that it was British troops who shot them, or even the fact that British troops were present that day. Putin on the other hand put thousands of armed Russian troops in Crimea and then denied they were Russian troops.
Proof??none given to the public.something very suspicious going on here.
I never doubted the credibility of these accusations, until I saw that the Americans are using Nikki Haley as chief propaganda bearer. Jees, the English and Americans really could have done this to provoke yet another war. Don’t they have enough, nk and m.e. not enough blood for them.
@Steven Fitzpatrick: why would the U.K. Want a war with Russia
@Steven Fitzpatrick: She is the IN Ambassador to the UN. Who else do you think would give the US Government’s position in a meeting of the UN’s Security Council? Eddie Murphy?
@Mick Jordan: Eddie Murphy would have mire credibility. Go on, tell us the US were right to move their embassy to Tel Aviv as well. You think the US are honest brokers in anything?
@Cal Mooney: And moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem has got what to do with Russian terrorism in the UK? Deflect deflect deflect. Same old story.
@Cal Mooney:
That takes whataboutery to a whole new level!
“There’s a suspicion that Russia used a military grade nerve agent to poison a Russian spy and his daughter on foreign soil“
“Yes, but the US moved it’s embassy in Israel”…
Have to hand it to you – you’re a gas man!
@Walt Jabsco: it was to lend weight that the US shoots from the hip and worries about consequences later. If course they were going to say the Russians did it. Did u expect anything else? They also claim the Russians stopped Hillary winning the last election. They also claimed they were bringing democracy to Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan. They say whatever suits their war games agenda. The Brits do likewise. They lie and distract. It’s their nature.
@Steven Fitzpatrick: Russian bot. It’s pretty obvious that the Russians are the ones trying to start a war. They are also obviously interfering in Western democracy as they don’t have one of their own. Can’t you see they are trying to divide an conquer
@Mick Jordan: Mick he’s just one of many many Russian bots on here. The journal should do something about them
@Michael Farrelly:
The Russian factory trolls (as frequently seen right here on the Journal) are a large part of the divide and conquer strategy.
At least the less gullible amongst us can see it for what it is…
@Walt Jabsco: dont even bother to comment back at some on here anymore they r actually mad or or just trolls, in no banks/cbertie case I think he’s just an idiot who read the protocols of the elders of Zion and believes it all
@Michael Farrelly: ah yes, I don’t eat the western/capitalistic/warmongering sh*t pie served to us daily, therefor I work for the Russians. Everything in life is black and white, for kids perhaps.
@Steven Fitzpatrick: “Western/Capitalistic/Warmongering.”
At least we know what side of the fence your on.
@Walt Jabsco: unfortunately Walt many people do not see that
@Steven Fitzpatrick: where would you like to live, Russia perhaps ?
No one died yet from the incident. why all the fuss? it seems spys are thought a lot of by the torys. corrupt russians swanning with enormous wealth didn’t seem to bother them until now. strange.
@Sean Conway: So true. Its only a bit of one of the most potent neurotoxins ever created. Everyone needs to chillax.
@Honeybadger197: Try and get out more often.
@Honeybadger197: our honey has tested the samples himself. He knows what he us talking about. He is not blindly following the British spin on this incident. He is not a sheep.
@Cal Mooney: Heisenberg hat and dark glasses.
@Cal Mooney: I take that label of sheep seriously coming from a SF member. You’d know all about the herd mentality and blind obedience.
@Honeybadger197: I notice you didn’t deny what I suggested. Queen and country and all that. What happened to ‘Keep calm and carry on’. I see that Jeremy Corbyn is the only responsible non excited moron in the commons. He suggested that the Brits actually get proof before accusing Russia and then take an appropriate response if it’s proven they were behind the attack. Compare that to the Brit govnmt and all the UK media baying for blood like an hysterical pack of hyenas. How the mighty have fallen.
@Cal Mooney: You took the same line with MH17, that it was everyone else but Russia. And look how that turned out. Likewise with Crimea, not Russians. Going for number 3 I see.
@Mick Jordan: great whataboutery Mick. And you claimed this week the UK don’t use Russian gas. Even when I posted the UK energy official page showing 35 percent comes from Russia, you still didn’t and don’t believe it. You are closed minded. The BBC and the Tories tell you the Russians did something, you believe it straight away. You believe the White helmets in Syria funded and set up by the UK are angels, even though there are videos of them beheading children. There is no arguing or debating with you.
@Cal Mooney: Check again about the Gas Cal. The UK produce 44% the import 44% from Norway and the remaining 12% comes from Qatar via LPG tanker.
@Mick Jordan: the 44% is imported from the EU sourced from Norway and Russia
@Mick Jordan: Teresa May just announced she intends to reduce Britain’s reliance in Russian gas. Obviously, this will mean nothing to the Russians, because according to you, they don’t import any to begin with. Here is a tip, when you dig yourself into a hole using false facts, stop digging.
@Cal Mooney: It wont because they don’t use it.
@Cal Mooney: The Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS) has said the figures reported are misleading.
It says the UK is not reliant on Russia for gas.
In Regards of claims the the UK use Russian Gas.
@Mick Jordan: so why has your PM said her country is going to explore ways for the UK to reduce its reliance on Russian gas. Are you suggesting she has got those facts wrong too. If she got the gas thing wrong then the obvious implication is that she got the nerve toxin issue wrong too.
@Sean Conway: no one died ? How is that relevant ? You really don’t have a clue
@Sean Conway: yeah you too
@Cal Mooney: are you a big supporter of the dictator Putin Cal ?
@Cal Mooney: says the whataboutery master himself
@Michael Farrelly: No, but I do not trust the British government one iota. Look at them funding the weapons that have out millions in a famine scenario in Yemen. Being Irish, we don’t take kindly to famine activities. Maybe you don’t get that.
@Cal Mooney: Russia had only began exporting LPG to the UK in December. Which in itself was not destined for the UK market but to be processed and then shipped on to Asia. But already knew that because I gave you the link to the news item a few days ago.
@Cal Mooney: I just think that you are so anti uk you can’t see the real Russian agenda
Any excuse to start a war with Russia. It’s been coming.
@Blazer Dave: After what happened Napoleon and Hitler think European powers have learned their lesson….Remember GNP of Russia is same as Italy it’s millitary budget is only 20% higher than Britian….What the US spends on its millitary every month….
@Blazer Dave: Russia is the obvious aggressor
@Blazer Dave: the last thing the uk wants is a shooting war with Russia
Seems like we’re been guided through this propaganda path and our media is happy to go along. The US needs an excuse to invade Syria and oust Assad, they’re sore losers and happy to prolong the killing until they get their oil. They need an excuse though. Set up a nerve agent attack with the UK. Start sending out press releases with a warning that the nasty Russians could strike anywhere. Stage another chemical attack with their terrorist buddies, no evidence it’s the Russians, but we’ve been brainwashed to believe it’s probably them, as usual though, devoid of any evidence. Happy days! Invade Syria to liberate the poor population, ban gas imports of Russian gas into Europe so they can get a monopoly on their liquified gas and millions of dead people later the US get to keep their hegemonic grip on the global energy industry!
@Graham Gilligan: https://goo.gl/images/LxNv93
@Graham Gilligan: Good theory. And speaking of proof, you have proof of it, right?
@Graham Gilligan: I agree well said
@Graham Gilligan: Russian bot
@Jamie Thornton: of course you do bot
@Graham Gilligan: more tinfoil on aisle 3
@Mick Jordan: How did you manage to take that photo of me with my tin foil hat on?
@David Knight: It’s only a theory, but you think it’s OK to publicly blame the Russians when there’s no evidence? Or blame Assad for the recent chemical attack when there’s no evidence? If so, congrats, you’ve beeb brainwashed!
@Graham Gilligan: Do you not know I work for the CIA or is it the NSA, or maybe the DIA, or MI6, or GCHQ or the DGSE.
@Graham Gilligan: good god even trump believes it was the Russians
I bet it was a ham fisted suicide attempt – they;d been rowing in the restaurant, wouldn’t couldn’t believe anything the Brits say as bad as Russia.
@Austin Rock: A suicide attempt with a nerve agent?
@Austin Rock: I couldn’t believe your scale of bullshit would sink any lower. Congratulations on proving me wrong!
@ihcalaM: The desperation from the Kremlin’s finest is getting hilarious!
@Harry Whitehead: Don’t you understand?
They had a row. A ROW. In a restaurant.
The logical conclusion is that they attempted to kill themselves with a dispersable Soviet-era organophosphate in public leading to the injury of dozens of bystanders.
It’s obvious when you think about it.
@Austin Rock: Carsberberg did conspiracy theories….. ROFL
@Austin Rock: what a dope
@Austin Rock: you are such an obvious Russian bot
@ihcalaM: he’s a bot. No point
@ihcalaM: please stop. My sides are hurting
@Austin Rock: you level of ridiculousness shows you for what you are – bot
@ihcalaM: yeah all you need to do if in a bad humour is mix the two ingedients (which you can safely carry around), and hey presto the perfect post-row score settler :-)
In fairness, a bullet would have caused lead poisoning and be envoronmentally bad…
I’m sure Putin is shaking in his boots, not from fear but hysterical laughter.
@Joseph Dempsey: Of course he is. He has gotten away with attempted murder and possibly murder if the other Russian Dissident found dead in London is anything to go by. And all he has to face is a few spies being deported and a couple of his buddies not being able to shop in London.
So Russia has weapons of mass destruction. Russia has used weapons of mass destruction on English sovereign ground. No mention of Russia being a terrorist. No rounding of the troops. Nope. Just removal of Russian diplomats. Now if it was a middle east country that did this, I wonder what would happen.
@Carina Clarke: What do you expect. Nuclear War? NATO invading Russia?
Putin did it Brits have spectral signature of this nerve agent it came from Russia…
@John003: Now, now John, the ‘bots don’t like it when you get all technical and use actual facts…
It’s very clear that Putin is a dictator and wants to divide and rule the western world. Part of their plan is to use social media with Russian bots. There is plenty of evidence of this on here and the Journal has a responsibility to do something about it.
@Michael Farrelly: of course everyone who openly questions what is actually going on is a Russian bot!!
Seems to be a few NATO bots as well by the looks of it
@gjpb: there are plenty. How can anyone agree with the dictator Putin ? He has illegally invaded Crimea, invaded Europe, and put his electoral opposition in jail. Even Hitler didn’t do that
@gjpb: a nato bot. Now I’ve heard it all
@Michael Farrelly: well that can be easily fixed a number of ways 1) subscription accounts, 2) allow only account using real identities that can be verified, or 3) close down the comments section and let the bots lose their audience (less fun for the rest of us laughing at them though).
@Michael Farrelly: nobody is agreeing with Putin. Just don’t jump to conclusions based on what the UK says without any evidence.
Remember the UK and Us have illegally invaded countries and have committed many questionable acts too..
@Tom Purcell: good suggestion Tom
@gjpb: Who have the UK/US/NATO annexed lately?
@Mick Jordan: as recently as 2003 US has invaded Iraq illegally.
No more pootin around. I’ve Vlad the time of my life.
The Yanks invaded Iraq on the premise of WMDs. Nerve agents are WMDs. Any sign of the Yanks invading Russia because of this attack?
@Ciara Ni Mhurchu: Stupid comment.
@Mick Jordan: Hardly.
But the reason the yanks won’t invade Russia is because it would be suicide.
We should do the same close down the embassy
@EC P Ford: Britian is not closing Russian embassy just expelling Russian staff whoes job description is a bit vague to be in London….
@EC P Ford: You can’t close the British embassy here, we still have to deal with them until after Brexit. Silly comment.
@EC P Ford: Why should we? what have they done against Ireland to justify such action (suspicion of ‘bots and generally not being nice – are not sufficient grounds). I’m no fan of Russia or their bully-boy tactics, but we need to keep perspective, especially if the russians are losing all sense of theirs.
Comments are hilarious! x-D
I’ve read something online, rah rah rah! Just gas, all the experts!!
There are some very simple folk here who seem to think that attacking Russia would be like invading Iraq.
There is a reason why Saddam got hysterical threatening the “Mother of all Wars” while Mr Putin merely smirks.
‘Cos Russia really does have WMDs!
Confiscation of Russian oligarchs money. Yup. That is the plan, an idea Theresa got from her Saudi friends. They executed similar plan just a while ago. Confiscation of all assets of oligarchs who did not donate to her party. They surely must be evil.
While she will be at it let us send Leo to Londonistan to ask for some of that money as compensation for what evil Russians have done to us just last month. We all remember Beast from the East which paralysed the whole country for 2 days with heaps of snow and toppled Lidl stores. That was clandestine operation directed by Russian arctic command, abhorring stealth attack surpassing effectiveness of every nerve agent known to humans.
Hi, we seem to be living in the age of Dementia surrounded by Lunatic Dictators. We have the leader of America, the leader of Russia, the leader of China, the leader of Syria, the leader of North Korea all obsessed with the Lust for Total Power. It is now time for the U N and NATO to Act before Civilization as we know it will be…….Destroyed…..TIME TO WAKE UP…….?!!!
Theresa wanted to say that they seize assets of Russian oligarchs who did not donate to her party previously as they clearly must be some evil people with sinister thoughts.
Any Russian people who donated to Conservative party are exempt from this clampdown on evil people assets.
Get in there and get Putin out lads
Can’t wait for bita WW3, #DROMA4LIFE
It’s only a few years since Israel murdered a man in a third country (They’ve done it more than once).
But on this occasion they (ab)used an Irish passport as part of the murder plot.
Barely a squeak from the Dublin government, and not a word from all the EU governments that are now vomiting out hatred.
And the Israeli Ambassador in Dublin was not even asked to go away for a week!
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