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'Britain twice saved the world from tyranny, we'll do what we want' - Tory MP

Gordon Brown reckons a Brexit would make the UK akin to the ‘North Korea of Europe’. So… would it?

EU Affairs Committee talks Brexit Conservative MP Sir Bill Cash PA / Brian Lawless PA / Brian Lawless / Brian Lawless

WITH ALL EYES on Greece in recent times, the growing anti-European sentiment of our nearest neighbours has struggled to gain quite the same media traction.

Until now anyway.

Former prime minister Gordon Brown has made quite a forceful case for what a British exit (or ‘Brexit’) from the EU would mean for the UK, specifically all the bad things it would mean.

In an opinion piece for The Guardian Brown argues that leaving the EU, as the current Conservative government has been making strong noises about doing under pressure from UKIP, would be ‘sheer defeatism’, and leave the UK isolated as the ‘North Korea of Europe’.

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“(Leaving the union, aka the ‘Hong Kong option’) is really the North Korea option,” says Brown.

If we do, we’ll be out in the cold with few friends, no influence, little new trade and even less new investment.

Saved the world

Earlier today, prominent euro-sceptic Conservative MP Sir Bill Cash spoke in front of our own Oireachtas Committee on European Affairs regarding the effects of a UK exit. His conclusion? Britain needs to leave the EU and the sooner the better.

Should the Conservatives regain government in next May’s election prime minister David Cameron has promised to hold a referendum on the UK’s participation in the EU.  He has had little choice in the matter given the rise in popularity of Nigel Farage’s UKIP.

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“We (the UK) are the only member state without a constitution, we are in a different position to other members, we are voluntary,” Cash told the committee.

I have evidence from various polls taken in my own political experience that if we do go to a referendum 70% of Britons will vote to leave.
The EU is not sleepwalking but accelerating into disorder with what’s happening in Greece, and there is the problem of the complete economic over-domination of Germany.
“What was all this for? Peace and security for members was the initial idea of the union, not intrinsic internal implosion.”
“Everyone is locked into the idea that you can’t do anything about any of this but we will show that you can.”
“Lest we forget, Britain twice saved the world from tyranny, the issue will be decided by us. And soon, before 2017 when we are due to hold the presidency.”
“If we are so integral to the workings of the EU, well then the Union should reflect that fact and perhaps have structures built around us. And to the extent that Ireland is so connected to our economy, maybe you should consider taking such action yourselves.”

Implications

Hmmm.  So what would the implications be of the UK leaving the European Union, both for them and for us?

Speaking to TheJournal.ie, professor of finance at Trinity College Brian Lucey said that any such move by Britain would be “absurdly stupid”.

“It would be absolute imbecility on their part,” he said.

All it would do is serve to precipitate the breakup of the UK because the Scots want to be part of Europe even if the English don’t.
It would mean absolutely nothing for the EU however. They’ll simply breathe a sigh of relief and get on with things.
And it’s ridiculous for Britain to complain that they don’t get a fair deal in Europe, they get all the benefits with none of the costs because they operate their own currency, and they’re paying far less towards the EU than a country of their size should be.

Brian Lucey wordpress Brian Lucey Brian Lucey / Wordpress Brian Lucey / Wordpress / Wordpress

As for how Ireland would be affected, Lucey doesn’t think it would be half as bad as people might fear.

“It would be enormously destabilising, no doubt about that. We would have to secure our borders, and that means with Northern Ireland whether we like it or not. And there’s the issue of the several hundred thousand Irish working in the UK and vice versa,” he said.

But economically, it really wouldn’t be that bad. True, we do most of our trade with Britain, but if that disappears, there would be plenty of European partners falling over themselves to grab a slice of that pie.

Not that Lucey expects it to happen.

“Look, a lot of misguided British people may want to leave Europe, but plenty of sensible British people don’t, common sense will most likely prevail,” he added.

Not all bad news then. The UK election is certainly going to be an interesting one though.

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    Mute Ann-Marie Donohoe
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    Mar 21st 2015, 7:06 AM

    Wow & I thought we had pressure to do well in school! Could never imagine my folks climbing any walls to break the rules! Ever!

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    Mute Peter McGlynn
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    Mar 21st 2015, 8:20 AM

    They would if they had no pension and their only hope of a basic existence in old age was your success.

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    Mute Vaibhav Borse
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    Mar 21st 2015, 9:00 AM

    these eastern states in India (Uttar pradesh, Bihar and West Bangal) are very badly managed traveller states. No laws. This was highlighted in media because everyone was surprised as this is not a common site in India. Exams and Education is taken very seriously. They probably will have to resit the exams.

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    Mute Jay Singh
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    Mar 21st 2015, 4:13 PM

    Bihar is Tallaght of India !!

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    Mute Professor Gamma
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    Mar 21st 2015, 7:11 AM

    India is the craziest place in the Universe…

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    Mute Paul Furey
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    Mar 21st 2015, 9:02 AM

    Wait till the US haters on here read that.

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    Mute Gaurav Gautam
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    Mar 21st 2015, 7:37 PM

    Every person thinks for the other country same. We live in a crazy world and not crazy country.

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    Mute Blacksod63.
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    Mar 21st 2015, 8:01 AM

    Don’t think the Irish Mammy would engage in this sort of carry on?

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    Mute alandel
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    Mar 21st 2015, 11:31 AM

    Sure they wouldn’t have to, all they have to do is light a wee candle for us for good luck.

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    Mute David Reynolds
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    Mar 21st 2015, 8:31 AM

    I may have a word with my auld lad. He never climbed any school to help me do well . In fact he wouldn’t climb out of bed to drop me to school.

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    Mute Gaurav Gautam
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    Mar 21st 2015, 7:28 PM

    It’s sad that this happened. One should not generalised whole India with a single pic. One should know that India’s population is 1252 billion. So we have wide variety of lifestyles. The contract invigilators are sacked and students are bared to re-appear for next 3 years. Believe me this does not usually happens. It’s only due to the exam centre in rural area, contract invigilators and yes poor ethics. Please keep in mind country with 1.252 would never be perfect. we can only try to be closer to achieve perfection.Whole diaspora and Indians are ashamed this happened.

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    Mute Glen
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    Mar 21st 2015, 7:11 AM

    What if the parents sat them down 2/3 hours a day and helped them to study. I found that studying in the evening helped me pass any test I took.

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    Mute The Guru
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    Mar 21st 2015, 7:13 AM

    I’d imagine it’s because the parents are dimwits and want their children to do better.

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    Mute John Johnson
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    Mar 21st 2015, 7:31 AM

    Glen to like pointing out the obvious but in order for someone to help with study they need to be able to understand the material being studied. Highly unlikely in most of these cases I’d guess

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    Mute Glen
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    Mar 21st 2015, 7:33 AM

    John
    If they can’t understand the material then how are they helping them cheat?
    Just pointing out the obvious.

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    Mute Fatima Murtaza
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    Mar 21st 2015, 9:04 AM

    Its not just styding to pass. Its about securing top positions which will guarantee a seat in college and if excellence continues then a job. Anything less is same as failing. Kids are introduced to this kind of competitive studies from very young age of 4-5! Naturally that leads to many students comitting suicide and alot of obvious suicidal spots like bridges, cliffs etc have police patrol especially the day results are out.

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    Mute thejournaltroll
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    Mar 21st 2015, 11:50 AM

    The parents may not be dim. Its probably because they had no opportunity to attend school in to secondary cycle and as a result are unable to help their kids pass exams in any other way

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    Mute Gaurav Gautam
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    Mar 21st 2015, 7:31 PM

    sadly these people are daily wage earners. passing 10 may get child to apply for low earning jobs

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    Mute Gaurav Gautam
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    Mar 21st 2015, 7:41 PM

    Alas, parents are daily wage earners

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    Mute Gaurav Gautam
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    Mar 21st 2015, 7:42 PM

    Good point. If you are drowning, you would even hold a leaf.

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    Mute Jason Bourne
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    Mar 21st 2015, 7:59 AM

    I know of a few Indians who work in our R&D facility. Man they are good. Put a lot of the europeans in the office to shame.

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    Mute Gaurav Gautam
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    Mar 21st 2015, 7:29 PM

    Thanks.

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    Mute Art Vandelay
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    Mar 21st 2015, 8:18 AM

    Why didn’t they just write some cheats on the inside of the calculator in pencil like normal people?

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    Mute s mac oireachtaigh
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    Mar 21st 2015, 7:31 AM

    This seemingly small scale situation discredits the Indian education system and may deter International companies from employing Indian residents.

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    Mute John Johnson
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    Mar 21st 2015, 7:36 AM

    Mac most international companies are paying a few cent an hour to workers in India. This won’t deter them

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    Mute Gaurav Gautam
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    Mar 21st 2015, 7:40 PM

    I give this blame to British colonialism. else india’s export was 25% at 1900, reduced to mere 1% around 1940s. they killed industries to build their’s.

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    Mute John O'donnell
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    Mar 21st 2015, 7:33 AM

    Lol.. It’s tough enough for the kids being up the walls with their exams but for their parents , families and friends , supporting them in this way is over the top…

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    Mute Deco James Connolly
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    Mar 21st 2015, 8:47 AM

    Kids , they drive us all up the walls sometimes but this is going too far .

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    Mar 21st 2015, 8:27 AM

    India must look after its children like it looks after its women ,real classy nation

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    Mute Stephen Mc Elligott
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    Mar 21st 2015, 7:55 AM

    I’m sick of articles like this that are really a total non story but according to us westerners it’s great to post up and make India look like a really underclass dumb nation and so we can all get a laugh at this dumb stupid country of the backward East am I correct?

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    Mute John Johnson
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    Mar 21st 2015, 8:11 AM

    No Stephen, I see a race of people desperately trying to improve their lot, at least for their children.
    Anyone that laughs at someone else does it out of their own ignorance

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    Mute Robert Cummins
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    Mar 21st 2015, 8:53 AM

    Couldn’t have said it better John!

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    Mute Ian Treacy
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    Mar 21st 2015, 8:59 AM

    Trying to improve their children’s lives by helping them cheat ?? Sorry that’s bad parenting imo.. Maybe they should teach the men there to stop gang raping innocent women instead that would be a worth while education!!

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    Mute Gaurav Gautam
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    Mar 21st 2015, 7:35 PM

    Cheating is bad so as generalising India men don’t have respect for women.I am ashamed if rapes happening at any country including India.

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    Mute John Johnson
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    Mar 21st 2015, 8:02 AM

    Glen my last comment was removed so again I’ll point out the obvious to you….They bring in a sheet, climbing skills required…….. Yes. Education required. ….. No

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    Mute Glen
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    Mar 21st 2015, 8:19 AM

    John
    Is that in response to something?
    Other than the sheet you aren’t making much sense. If your comments are being deleted then they were deemed offensive.

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    Mute Donal O Neil
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    Mar 21st 2015, 10:51 AM

    1 sheet will do !

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    Mute John Johnson
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    Mar 21st 2015, 7:37 AM

    By bringing in a sheet. …….. dwahhhhh

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    Mute Gary
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    Mar 21st 2015, 8:58 AM

    What a backward nation. At least they have taken a break from their other “pastime”, I’m sure the local women are relieved.

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    Mute thejournaltroll
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    Mar 21st 2015, 11:52 AM

    Its all well and good being high and mighty when trolling on the internet in what is still one of the richest nations on earth.
    We have plenty to be shameful of in both our past and even today, when most people are well-educated and plenty of opportunity to be well-informed

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    Mute Soinbhe Lally
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    Jun 22nd 2016, 4:15 PM

    India was civilized when the Irish were still runningng naked in the bogs. Its only 20 years since ireland had its first marital rape prosecution. Every nation has its ignorant backward elements.

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    Mute David Thomas
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    Mar 21st 2015, 9:01 AM

    This shows both total dedication and total stupidity. After ma and pa aren’t gonna be there to help you cheat the whole way through life.

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    Mute David Thomas
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    Mar 21st 2015, 9:37 AM

    *after all

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    Mar 21st 2015, 9:33 AM

    No wonder our doctors can’t speak English,cheated there way into medicine

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    Mar 21st 2015, 9:13 AM

    Don’t make it to obvious lads haha, great one -)

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    Mute Daisy Chainsaw
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    Mar 21st 2015, 10:43 AM

    Helicopter parenting reaches new levels!

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    Mute Donie Keyes
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    Mar 21st 2015, 10:26 AM

    No wonder it’s called high school!

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    Mute Steve McMahon
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    Mar 21st 2015, 11:30 AM

    Now that’s parent dedication

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