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IrelandStandUp / TwitterGr8 2 see so many people here 4 the #hearbothsides protest outside Dáil We need public service broadcasting @rtenews pic.twitter.com/rpnwIFcTQI
— Ireland Stand Up (@IrelandStandUp) March 11, 2015
A LARGE-SCALE rally was held outside the gates of the Dáil this evening by groups associated with the Pro-Life Campaign in Ireland.
Organisers say it was held to challenge a pro-abortion bias within the media.
The Pro-Life Campaign maintains that, in the space of a single fortnight, Irish newspapers ran 33 articles characterised by the group as being ‘pro-choice’
Only one article in that period was ‘pro-life’ they contend.
Pro Life Campaign / TwitterHere's Baby Grace...born healthy after a poor diagnosis. #hearbothsides pic.twitter.com/kXoYbko8dd
— Pro Life Campaign Ireland (@prolifecampaign) March 11, 2015
“The decision to hold this evening’s event was not taken lightly. But media bias on abortion has reached a point where we simply cannot afford to ignore what is going on any longer,” campaigner Cora Sherlock told the crowd.
“There has been a tendency on the part of everyone inside and outside of politics to tip-toe around the issue rather than talk about it out in the open.
“That’s not a healthy way to approach such a serious matter in a democracy. The public are being continually deprived of the opportunity to hear the case against abortion.
The fortnight examined was in December of last year but “could have been any fortnight that the abortion issue is in the news,” Sherlock said.
It just happens that a particular fortnight last December was chosen to gauge the extent of the bias.
Mattie McGrath TD / TwitterOn route home from Geneva,disappointed to be missing rally against media bias outside Leinster House tonight! #33to1 #hearbothsides
— Mattie McGrath TD (@mattiemcgrathtd) March 11, 2015
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I hear both sides. I actually understand both sides given some people I know are deeply religious. However, I don’t need your opinion imposed on me. Live your life the way you choose but please allow me to do exactly the same thing.
I’m the same, I understand both sides. I’m in no way religious, I fully support the religious amongst us to their beliefs, however please do not try to force that opinion on me.
IMHO anyone who would try to force a women carrying a baby with a fatal foetal abnormality to full term, against her wishes, is no better than a religious fundamentalist from ISIS.
@anne No matter what the debate, or referendum the laws the law and its what the majority decide on. To say, live they way you want to live and let me do the same does not work in a world of laws. An extreme example, if a person wanted to murder said let me live the way I want to live and you can do the same.. It just doesn’t make sense.
People always make say this when debating different topics and it just makes no sense.
Another extreme example would be a law banning people eating tayto and only letting them eat king crisps, because theres a part in some book written by some random person nearly 2000 years ago that said taytos tastes like shite.
Exactly, your right! That’s why I’m saying we all have to live with it. The argument of let me do what I want and you do what you want doesn’t work in a world of laws.
I don’t know why your bringing religion into it, because I was just talking about all referendums in general.
Well said Lad,
But Ivan has posted an epic fail. The issue is not religion, it’s abortion.
Epic Fail yourself….. if a baby isn’t going to live out side a womb (I’m talking Anencephaly), it is an absolute abhorrent form of torture to force a woman, against her will, to continue with the pregnancy. Only someone with a fundamentally religious outlook would argue against “abortion” in these sorry circumstances.
Bring on a vote so.
Since 1983 we have had two referendums brought about by cases involving the 8th amendment.
Of all three referenda, the highest turn out was in 1992 for the X Case referendum, in which the 12th amendment (excluding suicide as grounds for abortion) was rejected approximately 60 to 40%), and the 12th and 13th amendments, granting the right to travel and information in relation to abortion services overseas. Both passed by a similar margin.
We effectively voted for abortion in another country which is effectively support for choice, or extreme NIMBYism.
So why not have a vote that actually asks if we wish the 8th amendment to remain? So far all of the cases that have been presented to the courts as a result of it have been harrowing to read about. Surely it deserves another vote?
I would personally not go for an abortion but then again I have never been in the situation where I had been giving the terrible news my child was not going to live. Pregnancy was a horrible time for me and labour for my two sisters nearly killed one of them and scarred the other for life from having anymore. It’s not a walk in the park for some.
Adoption would ideally be the best solution for those of unwanted pregnancy but I could never live with myself if I made a victim of rape carry a baby to full term knowing how hard it is and maybe one day the child find out why they were given away.
I really feel that women who have certain circumstances should be able to avail of an abortion if that’s what they wish. I also believe we should have euthanasia for those who wish to die a peaceful and dignified death why can’t it be the same for these babies with abnormalities?
Give women in certain circumstances the choice. No one wants to see abortion as a form of contraception.
The article referred to newspaper articles, not RTE. Newspapers are privately owned and are quite entitled to take an opinion on a particular matter. If you don’t like that opinion, don’t buy the paper!
Exactly Reg, private media runs on profits from advertising and will print whatever is most likely to generate sales. The state broadcaster – funded from public money, is *obliged* to be balanced, and yet in studio panels an employee of Lolek Ltd is always there to “balance” the opinions of medical doctors, OBGYNs, and consultants. These people are there in a professional capacity, not as lobbyists. Whereas the “pro life” lobbyists are on every programme, where are the representatives of ARC on RTE for balance?
That and going down to the “pro life” vigils before 1pm to chat to them as they set up and let everyone know the vigil starts at 2, when do they do this for pro choice gatherings? They only report those after the fact, if at all.
It’s not about letting people live the way they choose. It’s about letting people kill other people. Abortion kills. That is what is not being heard. No protagonist of abortion ever dwells on that point. Yet it is the central issue involved. If abortion weren’t killing there would be no problem with it, no matter how religious or irreligious one might be.
What about the torture to the baby? Receiving an injection of feticide causing an excruciating heart attack & delivered DEAD two days later. It’s definitely torture for the child but the greatest irony among pro-aborts they campaign for a human burial for the remains of something they stigmatize as incompatible with life, a choice, a clump of cells & use the term fetus in a derogatory fashion like the N word for black people.
Can we please stop calling the anti-choice side pro-life? They certainly do not have the monopoly on being pro-life. People on the pro-choice side are not pro-death. For many people, the argument is not about allowing abortion in all circumstances, but allowing abortion in certain circumstances in particular where the pregnancy carries a risk to the life of the pregnant woman. And there are many on the anti-choice side who are against all forms of abortion, even where the pregnancy carries a risk to the life of the pregnant woman.
This not about life and death. This is about choice. The right of women to make a choice about their own health and their own bodies. The two sides should be represented as pro-choice and anti-choice.
Then you stop calling your self pro choice. You are pro abortion.
No. I am pro-choice. I believe that a woman should have the right to choose what happens to her own body, and it should be her choice alone.
Why is the word “choice” only applied to abortion? Why is it that people who wish to criminalise the purchase of sex aren’t “anti-choice”? Or those who favour the prohibition of drugs? What about joining unions? Even using the phrase “pro-life” is a choice, and you want to stop people doing that
Life is Precious:
Yes “her choice alone” over her body alone.
An argument which fails when she is not alone but is accompanied by another human being.
Civilised society is obliged to protect the new life.
I personally couldn’t care less who is called what as long as this 8th amendment is repealed and we join the rest of the developed world
Yes you are Pro abortion Niamh. You believe that abortion (the killing of pre natal humans should be legal) You are a proabort.
pro choice is a meaning less euphemism. For what choice? The choice to smoke at the work place or eat icecream? If you want to get accurate lets go with pro abortion and anti-abortion. The reality is pro life people openly acknowledge being anti abortion but pro choice are usually unwilling to admit they are pro abortion.
Slave owners were pro-choice. The choice to use black people as cheap labour in the US.
Cora sherlock, Youth defence and co highlighting bias…how ironic.
Media bias = our Church isn’t allowed tell everyone how to live their lives any more
Hi Cora I’m not insisting you should have an abortion. How about you let others also the choice in what they want to do?
So journalists should write articles about topics they don’t agree with? If you want some pro life bias then go to mass.
The Lord of Light is the one true God.
Well erm….. Yes! I’m pro choice but journalists have to report the news. Whether they agree or not, it’s their job to report in an unbiased and neutral manner. If they wish to express a feeling then we have opinion pieces.
Stephen, the basis of journalism is that journalists keep their opinions out of it so that the reader has an unbiased report in front of them on which to base their opinion.
All too often we get something much less than that ideal unf
alas these days majority of journo’s get their opinions given to them
It’s the impartial media coverage they are protesting about.
It’s the lack of it they’re protesting about, Stephen
They had to pick the most tumultuous fortnight in 2014 to judge a “media bias”. The tragic case of a pregnant woman who was medically brain-dead was in the courts to turn her life support off during those weeks.
If you’re a human being, hearing both sides of that story is that of a woman who is dead and whose body will not survive to incubate the foetus, and should be respected to die in peace; and a baby who could not survive without its mother, and should be respected to die in peace.
@Holly
“The tragic case of a pregnant woman who was medically brain-dead was in the courts to turn her life support off during those weeks.”
I’m not trying to put words in your mouth but I don’t see any evidence that her pregnancy caused her death.
Medical treatment that is necessary to save the mother’s life can take place even if it leads to the unborn child’s death because it is not intended to cause death. That is known as the principle of double-effect. Therefore, there’s no need for a pregnant woman to have an abortion to save her life.
Em, nope, her death wasn’t caused by her pregnancy at all. She had a brain haemorrhage and died. But because of our equal right to life statement in the constitution, her life-support was not allowed to be turned off without the Supreme Court’s say so. The understanding or interpretation of the HSE was that this accounted as a termination, which is illegal in Ireland.
Hence the overwhelming outcry of the nation, the sadness of the nation at this woman’s death and circumstances for her remaining family.
The media were therefore not biased at all. To be a supreme pro-lifer in this instance is utterly abhorrent in my view.
“Em, nope, her death wasn’t caused by her pregnancy at all.”
Well, there you go.
Ciarán, learn the facts. No-one ever said her pregnancy caused her death. We all know it didn’t. The problem was they were keeping her alive simply so she could give birth to a baby with very little chance of life.
Sorry Ciarán, were you even in Ireland over Christmas? Were you not aware of the case?
It wasn’t a woman begging for an abortion, or an attempted suicide or anything – it was of a woman and her partner, having their third child, but the woman died after suffering a blood clot in her brain (a heightened risk during pregnancy, by the way). She was dead, but because she was on life support it was artificially keeping her body alive and struggling to keep the baby going too. Her father took the HSE to the Supreme Court so that he could turn her life support off and treat her with dignity in her death and the subsequent and consequential death of her unborn baby.
That’s the reality of having the law as we have stated in our constitution. It leaves no room for these such circumstances, exceptional as they may be.
@Holly
I wasn’t away. I followed the case.
Then you exhibit a distinct lack of understanding of the case.
Because of the a priori and ideologically driven stance of the fundamentalist “pro life ” lobby, facts are always subservient to their dogmatic position.
Ciaran as a follower you are a failure.
Larry, the question of whether or not pregnancy endangers the mother’s life is either important or unimportant.
Ciaran all things in the universe are important or unimportant.
I can’t believe I am reading this..
Ciaran.
Not only was the woman not seeking a termination, this was about the line in the 8th amendment that protects the life of the unborn whenever it’s possible that led to the case, it’s illegal to terminate outside the specified parameters, and switching off life support would mean terminating a pregnancy that was being maintained.
The woman was DEAD Ciaran, the doctors testimony about her remains were unsettling. And people were trying to argue against switching off life support?!?
And here you are defending that position..
Ever heard of letting someone rest in peace? At the point in the pregnancy that she died she was a long way off viability, and although they could keep blood pumping through her and force air into her lungs, they couldn’t stop the inevitable, she was dead. The fact that the doctors were obliged by the 8th amendment to vindicate the “unborn’s” right to life is what caused the nightmare.
And by the way, double effect is not actually a factor in our law, it’s a factor in Christian philosophy. So while priests and pro life groups like to talk about it, it’s not actually a point of law, which is what courts rule on.
Great to see someone finally taking action on this. A huge swathe of the print and broadcast media in Ireland is hugely biased on abortion. It’s distorting the debate which creates a discussion that isn’t meaningful.
Fair play to the Journal for highlighting this.
If only the self appointed IONA institute had two columns a week in a national newspaper and space on every TV discussion on the issue? Oh wait
A huge swathe of them are pro choice because a huge swathe of the population are too…
*them being the ‘media’
Sophie, have you considered that what you call media bias is merely a reflection of general opinion held in wider society? Opinion poll after opinion poll show a great majority in favour of a more liberal abortion regime.
Jennifer, So that would imply that the majority of people support water charges as the anti water charge protesters claim that RTE are bias in their reporting of the protests.
The media is biased against racism and criminals too. Where’s the balance? Where’s the articles about why people with different colour skin are inferior and proslavery groups given a weekly column in the Indo or the Irish Times? Why don’t they have a convicted mugger on Crimecall telling us how he only steals from people who have loads of money anyway? The lack of equal time is disgraceful.
The job of the media is NOT to be an echo chamber for society, it is supposed to be a fair, balanced and objective.
@Daisy
What makes the debate about abortion different from racism and crime is that it is about the sanctity of human life. People don’t need to believe in a supreme being to oppose the taking of the life of an innocent.
Fair play to the pro lifers.
The anti-baby brigade should be made attend all kinds of terminations before they spout their
“baby death on demand” lifestyle-abortion filth.
We are all bombarded with anti smoking videos with pictures of rotting lungs etc and most of us don’t even smoke.
It’s time that anti-baby brigade witnessed some of their handiwork.
Maybe yee could even help in the procedure?
Maybe yee could help disposing of the baby after yee watch it’s little heart stop?
Practice what yes preach, guys and gals.
Practice what yes preach.
A lot of prochoice have attended terminations and helped by providing a glass of water to take the pills that will cause the abortion. The “disposal” is some bleeding like a heavy period. I’ve no interest in watching a woman change her sanitary pad… but whatever floats your boat.
David’s clearly fallen for those photos and videos of late-term miscarriages that the anti-choice nuts pretend are abortions. It will be a long time before he’s deprogrammed judging by that rant.
So ending a human life, a baby’s life, is nothing more than a red smear on a sanitary pad these days Daisy?
What a harmless way in which you portray such a ghoulish act.
Glasses of water, pills, sanitary towels, heavy periods?
Whatever floats your boat Daisy.
Did you attend yourself?
“Deprogrammed”, “Dungeon Master”?
What an appropriate name.
Do you know any executioners, by any chance?
“Anti-choice”????
“Pro Choice”?
Such a fluffy term for such a demonic, heinous act.
Why not call it as it is Dungeon?
Pro baby termination.
Pro termination of a baby, by it’s own mother, when it’s at it’s most vulnerable.
Go away and watch some videos of first scans tonight guys.
Practice what yee preach.
In excess of 90% of abortions are medical. Sorry it doesn’t fit your horror film propaganda of a blood soaked, screaming, stabfest.
You see David,I get my information from medical research,not the Daily Mail and the Youth Defence Facebook Page.
Some serious idiot commenters here supporting the media for reflecting public opinion. So much for objective journalism!
David, your comments are achieving a level of extreme caricature.
@ DC
So in non Fluffy terms, what you are saying is that it’s less brutal to kill the baby when the infant is smaller and more vulnerable.
How responsible of you.
Gore movie producers wouldn’t even get that depraved.
Don’t try to tell me that there is just red smears being burnt in these furnaces.
Here lads.
Here’s a video of one of your idols.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLEgygq0t9Q
As most of yee seem to be lads.
No David,I’m not saying that,you’re just putting words in my mouth so you can respond with pre-prepared drivel you’ve had spoonfed to you.
agree Sophie. The ‘Hear both sides’ project over the coming months will be interesting. People are fed up of the media bias. No wonder sales of papers such as the Irish Times is plummeting.
https://www.facebook.com/hearbothsidesireland?fref=pb&hc_location=profile_browser
Innocence, sanctity of human life… blah blah blah… we’re not that special, we’re just the cleverest animal. Our lives are no more or less important that that of any other animal, we just like think they are because we can think.
Go enjoy you’re short time alive, stop worrying about other people’s lives and definitely stop worrying about potential lives. They are by definition not lives.
2 questions Steve?
If human life is noting special, do you believe that laws prohibiting the taking of human life are wrong?
Secondly, what definition are you referring to?
@Steve O’Connor,
“stop worrying about other people’s lives”
We may be just another mammal but there is nothing greater to protect the rights of others. By every rational definition going they are lives.
How come most of the pro-Baby Deather commenters are men?
You said a lot worse than that Dungeon.
The real terms to explain what you are supporting are far to harsh to use in this medium.
Problem is Yako,you and your ilk are dogmatic in denying women rights over their own body. I don’t remember anyone making you or the PLC moral custodians of our nation.
David,I’ve no idea what you are talking about,there’s nothing about this topic I wouldn’t say here because I don’t hold extreme views like you. I merely want women to be able to decide on their own fate regarding reproduction and health,not a ragtag of religious zealots who should mind their own business. Your stance is one of denial of these rights,I’m the opposite.
Haw many Irish terminations a year will satisfy your desires Dungeon Master?
David diary is correct I suffered a natural miss carriage a few years back at 11 weeks and it was just a very heavy period type bleed. Get your facts straight and stop insulting.women who actually experience and understand this better than you ever could or would
David is not correct. I suffered a natural miscarriage at the same time. and delivered a perfectly formed small baby!
Wonder what else the crowd were told. “Our imaginary friend gives us the authority to dictate to others how they live their lives. It’s not because none of us have had sex in 40 years and can’t bear the thoughts of others having fun, honest.”
Well obviously most articles are pro-choice because no rational argument can be made from an anti-choice perspective. It may be sad for the self-titled ‘Pro-Life’ movement that their masters in Rome no longer control our society through their interlocutors on the pulpits,but it’s good news for the rest of us,the majority who respect women’s autonomy. Religious views such as these are dying off thankfully,this is merely the final death rattle of the brainwashed sheep,one more generation and we won’t have to read about these idiotic marches again.
Rational argument=every human being has the right to life.
I can understand that. I have no time for any of the religious BS but I can wrap my head around that. Of course the issue is where does life begin? Conception? Point of viability? Birth?
Good to see someone with a sense of balance SMV
Dungeon Master where is your Demographic evidence for your assertion? According to the census Islam is the fastest growing religion in Ireland, and is set to Surpass RC by 2050! So whilst be right about Catholism losing influence, it won’t be the way you think.
And as for your prediction about this all being done and over with “in a generation”, the demographics don’t look good for you there either. You see you to will die (you are not immortal). The difference is between pro aborts and pro lifers is that pro lifers actually have a “next generation”. Pro aborts are contracepting and aborting their “next generation”
sick misguided blinkered comment.
Sick misguided blinkered … did someone change this thread to Cheltenham races?
Just a bad hair day?
Great to get a reference point from a comment to link to the horse trainer?
So are you anti-contraception too? Just looking for clarification.
Are you saying you are anti contraception too? Just asking…..
Bias?
How about the RTE lunchtime news going down for a chat with the PLC when they were setting up their vigils with the massive screens etc on Merrion Square? I mean, this is before 1pm, they mentioned that the vigil started at 2.. To my mind this is effectively ADVERTISING the rally for them.
The state broadcaster, given that it is funded by the people via the TV license, is OBLIGED to be neutral and show balance. How often do they go and advertise pro choice rallies? If anything they spend minimal time reporting them, and only ever after the event.
On every panel where abortion has been discussed, doctors stating facts about a case have needed to be “balanced” by the employees of Lolek Ltd. Where were the pro choice campaigners?
A doctor speaking as to the medical facts of the situation is not a pro choice campaigner, if they explain why abortion is required they are doing so because it is medical best practice. They are a professional speaking in a professional manner, not an advocate.
So with regards balance vs bias, where were the reps from ARC on all these RTE broadcasts?
Private media are allowed to print whatever they like with whatever slant they like. They’re private media. They’ll likely reflect the views of their funders (in some cases, they’ll flat out fail to run stories based upon the views of their advertising partners). You can complain about that, but really that’s just the way businesses work.. They will print whatever sells papers / advertising..
To the protestors: tough luck, times change. We lived under your RCC tyranny since the states foundation and still suffer the side effects.
Sounds like tyranny to me
It was Gerry
All I see week in, week out are articles against racism. Where’s all of the pro racism articles? There’s the real bias!
/s
If you want pro racism just look in the comment section of those articles.
The mail?
I’m pro choice but they’re absolutely right, there is a strong media bias in favour of pro choice.
Who says they have to be balanced?
If there were ten pro life articles on here and no pro choice, we both know what the comments would be.
“Who’s says they have to be balanced” and 30 thumbs up is a sad sign. So you have no problem with RTE being balanced towards the government so?
yes, I know people who are Pro Choice also (including in my own family) can see and fully acknowledge the overwhelming media bias in favour of Pro Choice.
It so blatantly obvious, they don’t even bother to hide it anymore. The title of the event was ’33 to 1′ Over a two week period the abortion debate national newspapers were surveyed. 33 overwhelmingly pro choice articles to one pro life article.
We might as well call a spade a spade. The Irish media are very heavily pushing abortion. They highlight the articles that promote abortion, and cover up or ignore the stories that support a Pro Life view.
They deliberately selected a two week period where there was a specific cause involving a woman on life-support,pretty disgusting to use that tragedy but no surprise from a deceitful organisation like the PLC.
How much money did they raise and donate to Baby Hope after? I keep trying to find out, but the info is nigh on impossible to find.
Corporatist and PC dominated media asks just that question … balance, what balance…write what is popular and sells our products or remove your dumb a**e from our compliant herd of journalist copy writers.
Write pro abortion, pro SSM, write pro corporatist PC mind control ok.
Satire
Dandahan4.com
The article referred to newspaper articles, not RTE. Newspapers are privately owned and are quite entitled to take an opinion on a particular matter. If you don’t like that opinion, don’t buy the paper!
How much did you give? After all it is the legislation you supported which has caused this child’s difficulties!
This isn’t bias. It is a sign that their views are an anachronism. The same way we don;t have article about slavery or victorian recipes for homemade cough mixture.
still, I respect their right to take to the streets and voice their increasingly less relevant concerns.
@stopit
Since when is caring about children – born and unborn – an anachronism?
They don’t care about children, they just want a 2000 year old edited text to be followed to force people to do as they say
Interest seems to cease once the children are born.
@Anthony
You’re saying that simply because a minority of Catholic clerics committed crimes against children.
I say it because of child neglect, child poverty, failure to cherish all the children of the nation equally, the irreparable damage done to childrens interest and welfare in the first 7 years of life, the withdrawal of special needs assistance, the withdrawal of medical cards for some seriously ill children, inadequate paediatric hospital facilities, inadequate social care and fister facilities fir disadvantaged children, discriminatory access to schools and education and the severe consequences of child poverty on chikdren, anti child welfare policies in Ireland as well as child clerical sexual abuse.
@Anthony
They are cherished equally; they have the constitutional rights to life, education and bodily integrity. No child is being denied education and there was a u-turn on the medical card issue because of the outcry that the withdrawal of the cards had caused (That proves that democracy works).
Furthermore, there are non-Catholic children who are educated in Catholic schools.
Government ministers get things wrong. However, that doesn’t mean that they don’t care about people who are in need.
I’m not going to let negative remarks about our democracy go unchallenged. After all, disillusionment with democracy led to tragedy in the 1930s and 1940s.
Ciaran, you make my point for me. You talk in theory. I talk about actual reality.
I’m fact driven. The facts determine my views.
In contrast, you start with the theory and your theories, prejudices actually, bend the factual reality to suit your starting position.
And there was a Godwin in there too.. I can’t believe you missed it Anthony!!
Well said Anthony,
“Ciaran, you make my point for me. You talk in theory. I talk about actual reality.”
30% of kids in the country are experiencing some form of poverty, I’d respect a candlelit vigil about that!
But compassionately, humanely dealing with cases of fatal foetal abnormality, no,no, we can’t have that.
Ivan, it’s worse than that, the time period they chose to guage this “media bias” was the two weeks over Xmas last year.. Remember, that poor dead woman who was being artificially maintained in order to vindicate the “unborn’s” right to life under the 8th amendment?
Because there was any valid reason to argue the “pro life” stance when the foetus was nowhere near viable and the woman had died and, well, the testimony of the doctors about the state of her remains wasn’t pleasant.
Of course there was very few “pro life” articles at that point in comparison to articles calling for the life support to be terminated!!
I just notice the Godwin!
Utterly awesome response! Clear and to the point. Thanks!
RTE,Irish Times, the Journal, The Indo…all have a bias thats pro abortion. Ive never seen a pro-life view expressed as a headline in any of those.
Breda,David,meet Pat,Pat,Breda & David
Pat do you just flick past David Quinn and Breda O Briens weekly contributions
More like #hearMYside. If they had a genuine interest in hearing both sides, they’d be pro choice.
Didn’t you just echo their argument?
Women having babies is a brilliant thing. Women who want to carry a baby with a FFA to term are deserving of the utmost respect and support for their choice. Nobody who is pro choice will ever make a woman do something she doesn’t want to do. The same cannot be said for groups or individuals who claim to be pro life.
From the 17th to the 31st of December last, the tragic case of a young brain dead pregnant woman was the main news story across all Irish media. A case that forced the nation to rethink just how far we are willing to reach in legislating for women’s bodies. But sure Cora..
…”It just happens that a particular fortnight last December was chosen to gauge the extent of the bias”.
Commenting on that case, and reported in several newspapers at the time Dublin Archbishop Diarmuid Martin, stated “A woman isn’t simply an incubator”. I wonder if articles containing this quote are deemed “pro-abortion”?
Take it up with your boss Cora, not the journos.
@Aishling
Was her pregnancy the reason for her being brain-dead?
We were all unborn once.
@Ciaran
We were all “unborn” once. But only women will ever be used as decomposing incubators.
Her pregnancy was the reason for her death. I knew this woman personally.
@Aishling
Actually, a head injury that was caused by a fall caused her death.
Ciaran.
The woman was admitted with headaches and nausea, and then had a fall.. I saw mention of a brain haemorrhage, which would lead to a fall if that were the case.
All that article says is that she had been clinically brain dead *since* a head injury, not that it was the cause.
Aisling mentioned that she knew the woman, so she might actually know a bit more than you.
No novenas were harmed in the making of this rally
It’s such a crying shame that Breda O’Brien, John Waters, David Quinn and others have no access to the media.
It’s a pity that the Roman Catholic Church is a banned organisation.
It’s a crying shame that our Constitution favours unrestricted abortion.
It’s a pity that hospitals consider that the mothers’ wishes must always prevail.
It’s a pity that the life, health, welfare and interests of pregnant women always come before the interests of the foetus.
It’s a pity that the Dail never consults religious interests.
“Lets hear from the Catholic church for a change in this country!”
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Not much advantage for the pro-choice position with all this media bias if we still have an anti-choice article in our constitution. Long past time to give people the opportunity to vote to remove the offending article.
The problem with these people is they don’t realize that everyone’s tired of debate. We don’t want to debate something that has been debated over 20 years. We simply want to get out of the dark age. So that we could do it, some religious persons should learn to mind their own business and leave everyone else alone, which is extremely hard for them. If God himself came on earth tomorrow and told them abortion is alight, they would still argue. The problem is their endless urge to inflict suffering on other people. Get a life.
Unfortunately bias in our media, and media around the world, is out of hand and becoming unrecoverable. It was clearly evident with Tubridy a couple of weeks back.
Media is 100 percent pro abortion, and the more they print the more society accepts it…
It’s wrong, on a moral basis
It is good see a grass roots movement. Newspapers such as the IT have a horrendous bias. It is even worse when it is the national broadcaster.
A Cold day to have babes out in?
Not bias , just the majority sick of hearing the obsolete dogma of the church and their counterparts
If it’s growing, isn’t it alive? If it has human parents, isn’t it human? And humans like you and me are valuable, aren’t we? You don’t have to be religious to know the unborn are human from the moment of conception.
There is no description of abortion that strips its meaning: to take the life of another. No matter how the media spins it, no matter how abortionists attempt to defend it, abortion is abortion. And abortion is wrong.
Talk-talk-talk! What an amount of arguments for and anti in the debate below. I was mesmerised by the content of some of the messages – No matter which way we say it or do it – or the reasons for so doing – abortion means killing an unborn baby. That baby if born could grow up to be a father or mother – so it is not one life that is being taken – but the lives of generations which should be inhabiting this wonderful world of ours. I wish that those who are so concerned about the unborn would concentrate their minds on the millions of children and mothers who are in dire straits -in need of food, clothing,shelter – freedom from injustice and poverty and terrorism. We need to support mothers who are considering abortion as the only escape from their difficulties. Let them know we do care about them and are willing to help. The unborn feels pain – it can hear music – we remember the holocaust in Hitler’s regime – many more babies have been killed than were put to death in the concentration camps. And if I may end on a religious note – I’d say – The wrath of God is not far from us. Church and State institutions have been guilty of many grave transgressions in the past – hopefully now they who carry the burden of responsibility – will repent of the actions which were covered up and having admitted their guilt strive to make the necessary changes for a healthy society where every life is valuable.
*daisy
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