It’s actually Chanandaler Bong.

That’s Miss Chanandaler Bong.

IS claims responsibility and the US get out of the area.
Why won’t they take IS on and kick their arses once and for all?
Are they afraid of them or are they supportive of them?
At this stage the question has to be asked.

it is not a significant base at all…..neighbouring Oman is much more important to them

“Are they afraid of them or are they supportive of them?”

Neither, America is seen as public enemy number one for ISIS and any actual direct conflict between American and ISIS ground forces would serve as a major recruitment driver for ISIS.

The problem with America going in to “kick their arses” is that ISIS, like Al Qaeda, have branches in almost every Islamic country to some extent. A direct war against them means basically invading the entire Middle East.

How do you think the Saudis earn their money genius? U.S. goods exports to Saudi Arabia in 2013 alone were $19.0 billion. Not even including their oil export to the US.

They certainly don’t make their money by buying US goods exports genius.

Jynx have you got a problem with drone bombing of Wahabbi terrorists?

Scipio

I have a problem with destabilising countries and condemn all war.

Good for you Jynx. I’m sure you’re pacifism is of great benefit to those suffering from Islamofacist violence.

Do you only consider it violence when Muslims carry it out? American drone bombings that kill innocent civilians in Yemen is not violence? That’s just fighting the Islamofascist’s!! Your war mongering and justification of it is akin to the reasoning of a 10 year old.Go and play Call of Duty. It sounds like that’s where your moral compass has come from.

The difference is the Islamists go out of their way to cause mass civilian casualties whereas the Americans do their utmost to avoid them. But of course a 10 year old would be able to recognise that.

“Americans do their utmost to avoid them”. Go tell that to the Iraqi people you clown

Call me a clown if you wish. It’s true. The Americans have the firepower to cause civilian casualties on an unimaginable scale if they wished. The truth is, and statistics bare this out is that most of the deaths from the fallout from the Iraq war were caused by Muslim on Muslim sectarian violence. Sunni on Shia.

It’s true you’re a clown? The U.S has caused large scale death across the entire region

Do tell us then Jynx, why do the Americans invest millions in precision-guided munitions when carpet bombing a city is much more cost-effective? If the Americans wanted to cause indiscriminate destruction and completely disregard civilian lives they have more than enough weapons which could be used to flatten massive areas.

Instead when you look at Baghdad immediately after the invasion it was relatively intact. That’s more than can be said for, say, Grozny where a modern military with a complete disregard for civilian lives simply flattened the whole city.

@thejynxyeffect; Ultimately, when the US disbanded the Saddam regime it left a huge vacuum and 600,000 former Iraqi soldiers with nothing. The vacuum was quickly filled by ISIS, which in turn offered employment to a lot of those former soldiers.

Scipio has a very funny logic; On pretty much every single article that is related to Islam in any way, he spews out quotes from the Qu’ran to illustrate what “true” Islam is and that ISIS is Islam. He wants so badly for everything to be black and white and needs to believe that all Muslims ultimately want to slaughter him for not subscribing to their beliefs, just like Muhammad would’ve done. However, using this silly, primitive, moronic logic, Muslims and non-Muslim coexistence is impossible as both are intrinsically incompatible. So either we wipe out all 1.3 billion Muslims or they wipe us out, as clearly to be a Muslim, you have to enthusiastically embrace Jihadism and be willing to cut infidels’ heads’ off if they don’t convert -_-

All his approach really ends up doing is making moderate Muslims more entrenched in their beliefs, thereby engendering more reciprocated hate and the Islamic extremism that he so detests. Far from discouraging Islamic fundamentalism, unbeknownst to himself, he’s promoting it.

“Why do they invest millions in precision guided munitions” you’re really at the core of the argument there Jason. A vital point even!

You’re ignoring the fact that millions of civilians have been killed while the US has been the aggressor. What killed them, isn’t really the point. I could understand maybe a handful of innocents being killed during the war, but at the level of death we see every day, it’s just a massive slaughter

@Kugel Berg.—- Ahoy there! Kugel Berg is back! But with the same old threatening message…Don’t criticize the origin of the Islamo-fascist terrorists war manuals,ie., the Koran and Sunna, or the entrenched ‘moderate!’ Muslims will become more entrenched, supporting and promoting more Islamic terrorism.
—Just like the messenger of the schoolyard bully–’Do as he says or you’ll get hurt!’
—Just like the messenger of the Godfather———-’Do what he says or you’ll wind up dead!’
— Just like messenger of Allah————————- “Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in this world and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained” Qur’an (33:57) -

@jynx.. 1.5 Million alone,mostly Christians, murdered/ethnic-cleansed in Sth. Sudan by Islamic warlords from Nth. Sudan. —-No US there!
2.5 Million Armenian Christians butchered by Turkish muslims exactly 100 yrs. ago.No US there.

@Patrick; sorry, don’t have the time or energy to constantly patrol the Journal articles to reaffirm my prejudices like some people and it is no surprise to me that you’ve found this thread.
I do, and I think most reasonable people/academics would, find your analogies to be crazy. ISIS are like your common school yard bully and the mafia in that they need to be stopped, likewise with ALL terror groups – I agree.
However, I believe it is our duty to stop individuals from turning to extremism in the first place – your and Scipio’s approach is not one that is conducive to that. Because Islam is global and comprises a sixth of the human population, you can’t deal with it in the same way you’d deal with a bully or a crime lord without plummeting the world into all out war. Also, I’m not trying to threaten anybody and I’d like to think only a child would perceive what I’m saying in that way – I’m just speaking commonsense.
I know you don’t want to kill all Muslims but I don’t understand how you think that our global population is going to survive and thrive without some form of integration, as this is inevitable. Though of course, because I know I need to say it, I don’t support mass immigration of Muslims (or any group), I think that terrorism should be dealt with with an iron first and I think we should not have to live in fear of extremist violence.

You clearly feel you’re doing your bit to help humanity by alluding them to the dangers of Islam (as exhaustingly banal as they are at this stage). I try to do my bit by giving to charity, abstaining from greed and giving 101% to my work. For me, greed and ego are much more likely to result in the demise of homo sapiens than religion.

@Kugel B.—– No need to apologise Kugel.When you’re retired, you’ll have more time to bore people with the same banal embedded message,ie. “Let’e appease the Muslims because they’re a big dangerous gang..”. And-Kugel’s additional addendum- we must make it our responsibility and at our expense to mollycoddle/rehab their wannabe jihaddis…
As for the size of the Big Gang it amounts to only 1/5th of humanity and seeing that they’re against all of us that puts the remaining 4/5ths. of us much bigger. And that 4/5ths has most of thewealth/power/freedoms/e
tc.,etc.,etc.,. by far. It’s the poverty struck Muslims that want to come in to share our wealth,freedoms and opportunities,- so let them make the nec.adjustments like all other groups happily do.
As for integration we Irish went all over in droves- and big droves at that – and integrated quite nicely without making relentless demands on the host countries like Muslims do… so why not advise Islam to change their Islamic War Manuals into Peace Manuals and keep the peace with the rest of us.

@Paddy; The only thing is that your “advice” is only going to be heard by those who are not radicalised. And if your advice is that they rewrite their Qu’ran to omit the controversial bits then you and I both know that they’re not going to do that, especially if coerced into doing so.

To any reasonable person the only way to stop Muslims interpreting the Qu’ran the way we’d like them not to is to not go out of our way to insult their beliefs. So what might you do with me seeing as you think I’m defending Jihadism? Surely I’m just as bad as the Muslims who want to preserve the Qu’ran with its current teachings, but who nonetheless ignore these backward aspects.

Also, for pig iron sake, do you think that if say 200 years ago, the US president were to openly insult Islam, a greater portion of the global Islamic population than that of today would support violent retaliation? Personally I think it would, as there are considerably more Muslims living here in the West that are well educated and therefore likely would be above violence, even though technically speaking, they could still interpret their religion as demanding that they do react violently.

Ultimately, I’m not saying we appease Islamic violence, I’m just saying how our time would be much better spent focusing on more pertinent issues like global warming, world hunger, poverty gaps etc., than trying to get Muslims to discard their Qu’ran – as there is just as much chance of that happening as there is you joining IS

@Paddy; Btw sorry, didn’t know you were retired and I’d probably do the same if I was too.

When you say “war manuals”, if you’re talking about Hadiths then we both no that very little Muslims adhere to them. So, if you’re saying the rewrite their Qu’ran, we also know, that clearly won’t happen anytime soon. So, since that won’t happen, do we preclude all Muslims from our society?

@Kugel B. Same Appease-Islam thing again K. We keep busy and with our head in the sand while they creep up on us numbers-wise,etc.. No end to Kugel’s efforts to sell us on appeasement to Islam. You are dreaming. And in any case you would have to sell that to the Chinese,Indians, Americans N+S.,etc.
And don’t forget there is a strata of Muslims across the board who are more than willing to jump ship when they can feel safe from the Sharia ‘Death for Apostasy’ Law.
In short,appeasement will definitely bring horrendous results while standing firm will create opportunities for living peacefully together.

Glen, you are so gullible. Someone puts together a YouTube video and weaves the history of the first and second world wars and the comments of a guy who died in 1891 and you fall for it.
We’ve had clips on the news of people being gunned down, heads chopped off, a plane shot down, another plane goes missing and you support a guy (frank) who says they are all false flags. You then claim that the CIA is behind it all and are behind a assassination in Russia. Then you will claim that you never made any claims at all and you were not on the journal when all these events happened.
Your delusional glen.

Declan
Speaking of Frank, you never told me what your thoughts are on him getting your FB account banned.
Many people have made videos regarding Albert Pike he is a well known figure in history.
Are you denying what he said in the letter isn’t happening today in the Middle East ???
A blind can see that it’s playing out as he said.
You are just looking for an argument you are a bitter person Declan. I hope you are a paid shill because if you aren’t you need to take a good look at yourself.

Glen, it’s none of your business what I think. How do you know that frank got me banned? Are you a paid shill for frank. You really admire him don’t you but you deny it.
I’m going to enjoy my Sunday so go and annoy someone else.

Did I upset you Declan ; )

Frank told me he got you banned Declan.
Why do you think I say ” Frank got you banned” duh

Oh, so you have spoken to frank even though you said you hadn’t. Which is it? Can you now explain why he doesn’t comment on here anymore? I’m sure he’ll give you a shilling to pass on his messages.

It most certainly does.