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Updated 10.31 pm
JEREMY CLARKSON WAS fired by the BBC after he punched and verbally abused his producer and could now face a police investigation.
The damning findings of Ken MacQuarrie’s probe left the Beeb’s Director-General, Tony Hall, with no alternative but to sack his star man.
“I cannot condone what has happened on this occasion,” Hall said in his statement today. “A member of staff – who is a completely innocent party – took himself to Accident and Emergency after a physical altercation accompanied by sustained and prolonged verbal abuse of an extreme nature.
For me a line has been crossed. There cannot be one rule for one and one rule for another dictated by either rank, or public relations and commercial considerations.
Hall also released the findings of MacQuarrie’s investigation into the 4 March incident, stating the main facts were not disputed by those involved, including Clarkson himself.
North Yorkshire Police have now confirmed that is liaising with the BBC and is seeking a copy of MacQuarrie’s report.
“We have asked the BBC for the report which details the findings of their internal investigation into the matter, ” according to a statement.
“The investigation will be assessed appropriately an action will be taken by North Yorkshire Police where necessary. It would not be appropriate for North Yorkshire Police to comments further at this time.”
MacQuarrie, who is the director of BBC Scotland, interviewed a number of witnesses and concluded that producer Oisin Tymon was subjected to an “unprovoked physical and verbal attack by Jeremy Clarkson”.
“During the physical attack Oisin Tymon was struck, resulting in swelling and bleeding to his lip. The verbal abuse was sustained over a longer period, both at the time of the physical attack and subsequently.”
MacQuarrie noted that the attack lasted 30 seconds and was stopped only when a witness intervened.
It has been established that the assault was entirely unprovoked and that the producer offered no retaliation.
In the case of the verbal assault, Clarkson directed “the strongest expletives” at Tymon on more than on occasion, as well as threats to sack him.
It is understood that Clarkson called Tymon a “lazy Irish c**t”.
“The abuse was at such volume as to be heard in the dining room, and the shouting was audible in a hotel bedroom,” said MacQuarrie, who added that “derogatory and abusive language, relating to Oisin Tymon and other members of the Top Gear team, continued to be used by Clarkson inside the hotel, in the presence of others, for a sustained period of time”.
Tymon was said to have been shocked and distressed by the incident, and also believed that he had lost his job.
He drove himself to a nearby Emergency Department for an doctor’s exam.
Over the coming days, Clarkson made a number of attempts to apologise to Tymon through text, email and in person. The presenter then reported the incident to BBC management.
MacQuarrie concluded: “It was not disputed by Jeremy Clarkson or any witness that Oisin Tymon was the victim of an unprovoked physical and verbal attack.
“It is also clear to me that Oisin Tymon is an important creative member of the Top Gear team who is well-valued and respected. He has suffered significant personal distress as a result of this incident, through no fault of his own.”
Tymon also issued his own statement after the publication of the report. He thanked the BBC for its “thorough and swift investigation” and described Clarkson as a “unique talent”:
“I’ve worked on Top Gear for almost a decade, a programme I love. Over that time Jeremy and I had a positive and successful working relationship, making some landmark projects together. He is a unique talent and I am well aware that many will be sorry his involvement in this show should end in this way.”
- With reporting by Rónán Duffy
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America knows all about annexation and land theft since they fund Israel to do exactly that on Palestine lands.
@Seamus Quaide:
What about the price of tea in China though?
@Seamus Quaide: Fair point but does it in anyway excuse the terror being inflicted on Ukraine ?
@Seamus Quaide: The Hutu genocide on Tutsis in Rwanda was appalling.
@Seamus Quaide: what has Israel and Palestine got to do with russia invading Ukraine and sham elections?
@Seamus Quaide: based on your logic If I ever cheat on my partner with another… I can always say hey what about jeffrey dahmer ! Two wrongs don’t make a right. Yes the US should not enable the Israelis however that is no excuse for what the Russians are doing
@Tommy Roche: There is absolutely no excuse for terrorism to be inflicted on any nation in the world, that was my point and case.
@Genera L Consensus: I believe his point is that we are supposed to be outraged at one of these wrongs while turning a blind eye to the other.
@The Irish Ranger: Thank you, that’s exactly what I meant.
@Seamus Quaide: Whattaboutery at its finest and foolish.
Russian annexation bad…..israhelli annexation good.
@Eamonn Connaghan: Quick……..look over there!
@Eamonn Connaghan: both are bad. or are you just trying to justify both
@Eamonn Connaghan: Looking to excuse Russia’s criminal action is silly. Russia has always been an aggressive state which oppressed its people. Most Russian peoples were slaves until 1861. The current regime is a kleptocracy of former KGB siloviki. Their roots can be traced back to the murderous secret police of Lenin and Stalin called Cheka through the NKVD, KGB through to today’s Russian ruler for KGB officer Putin.
Since the beginning of the 20th century, Russia has killed many of its people as well as those killed in invasions. Bloody Sunday 1905 saw 100s killed, Lena massacre 100s more, no one has accounted for the more than a million deaths of the Red and White Terrors another quarter of a million killed in the Tambov rebellion It does not get a free pass on the Holomordor Kazakh and other famines which killed more than 6 million, Stalin’s crimes and execution of millions. The murder of 22,000 Polish officers and intelligentsia after Russia assisted its ally Nazi Germany to invade Poland in 1939. The rape and murders of civilians in Europe 1944–45. It is estimated that up to 2 million women were raped by the Russian army. The invasions of Hungary and Czechoslovakia. The 1979 invasion and brutal oppression of Afghanistan caused a million plus deaths mostly civilians. A war where the Russian army used mines designed to look like children’s toys. Invasion of Chechnya twice. No one has been able to calculate how many civilians were killed, Chechen sources put the figure as high as 250,000. The same tactic was used in Syria, and now Ukraine. Putin used the Chechen war to popularise himself along with the bombings of apartment blocks in 1999 blamed on the Chechens. There is deep suspicion that the bombings were a vehicle to push the war and popularise Putin. Then there is the Moscow theatre siege. or Beslan where the Russian Army used flamethrowers to kill hundreds of hostages many of them, schoolchildren. These two sieges were at worst false flags organised by the regime or at best evidence of the level of Russian incompetence. Perhaps the truth lies in between. So a vast toll of death and suffering over the last century that rivals the Nazi’s. The Russian people have not been well served by their corrupt and criminal leaders. The leaders of Russia now are as corrupt and criminal as those in the past. Russia is a world leader in death, terror, corruption and disasters.
@Stephen Gill: the Russians are praying for a severe winter to freeze europe. Stop supplying gas then to force europe to lift sanctions. Then hope the winter turns the war into a stalemate. Europe will force Ukraine to talk. So basically Ukraine is going to go balls out on the offensive soon. Hopefully precipitate a Russia collapse in southern and east Ukraine
Russia are so good they downed two of their own jets the in 2 days
@shligo boyzz: In Iraq the US forces shot down 2 of their own black hawk helicopters killing 26 of their own forces. How good does that make them?
@Roy Dowling: well seeing as they still managed to conquer the country id say theyre ahead of the russians
@Rian Lynch: were objectives always to conquer the country..i was led to believe they were looking for weapons of mass destruction
@SquintEastwood: i was just making a comparison. i mean russia is trying to denazify a country with a jewish president
@Rian Lynch: “Still managed to conquer the country” you make that sound like a massive achievement. They killed hundreds and thousands of innocent civilians while conquering it.
@Roy Dowling: im pointing out facts roy. i don’t support the US just pointing out facts
@Roy Dowling: I’m talking about the current Russian invasion I was only 5 when that crac was on
@Rian Lynch: so its ok to mur der men women and children as they sleep with bombs, in the middle of the night, and steal all natural resources from a country, loot its gold, cripple its infrastructure,, all in the name of so called democracy, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Vietnam, The list of countries is endless, and you think its all right to “conquer” them, they didnt conquer them, they destroyed countries, and when people like you praise this behaviour from the west, it shows your stupidity. try reading some other articles from independent reporters, on the ground, try finding out facts instead of showing your love for the mass kiLLer S of the west.
@Darren Murphy: A lot of strawman fallacies and cherry-picking there.
But it’s grand when the Israelis do it to a the Palestinians who are labeled terrorists when they defend themselves
@Liam Ó hAodha: who said that ?
@Rian Lynch: The EU when it switched to Buying Israeli gas from russian gas.
@Roy Dowling: what do you thing should be done Roy
Disaster. Putin piling on human catastrophe and misery with major fall out for Europe. No oil, gas or grain.
@Peter Daly: maybe they would make a trade for McDonald’s and Lego or whatever else they have been left without…absolutely not defending Putin but things work both ways…all self imposed on Europe or should I say the decision makers it won’t effect
@SquintEastwood: so what do you think should have been done by Europe?
@Rian Lynch: leave the burgers but take away the nuggets…I’m not a decision maker ..but sanctions on russia won’t stop them and arming Ukraine only made Russia hit harder..I’m not saying Ukraine should have just rolled over but if they had cared about their Russian speaking citizens it may never have gotten this far..Russia claim to be helping stop the problems that were there so why didn’t the west stop the problems first…how many lives could have been saved both Ukrainian and Russian if the west didn’t arm them ?
Would their land be flattened like it is now ?U.S don’t want a Russian puppet in power but will happily have a west/us puppet
@Rian Lynch: I would be sure 99% of Ukrainian Russian and European people don’t want this war but they don’t get to decide…who benefits,not the everyday people in Ukraine or around the world..
It’s 1 corrupt government fighting many other corrupt governments with financial gains for the few
@Rian Lynch: Why didn’t Europe do the same as it did when the US and UK were invading countries and killing civilians?.
@Roy Dowling: which countries are we talking about?
@SquintEastwood: so just to summarise russia invaded because ukraine didnt look after its population that spoke russian. twice.
@Rian Lynch: do you believe Russian speaking Ukrainian people who supported russian ways were treated fairly in Ukraine in the past ? Would you support a government where a minority of people are treated unfairly because you have didn’t beliefs.would you just turn a blind eye and pretend it wasn’t happening.
That was kinda their excuse to invade but you or me will never know the real truth and only what we are told to believe
I don’t believe any circumstances should lead to invasion or war anywhere but who decides what is right or wrong for other people who they don’t agree with..should the west just nuke Russia and be done with it,after all they are just Russian,another country for west to concour
@SquintEastwood: different beliefs
@SquintEastwood: A).Sanctions will harm Russia in the medium to long term and ensure that whatever gains they make in Ukraine will not be easily held, if at all. B) It shows Russia and China that the West will not collapse in the face of their aggression. C) Russia isn’t helping to solve any problems, they have caused them. Explain how a pro-Russian president was always elected despite Russian speakers making only 17 or so percent of the population. When the Ukrainian people and parliament wouldn’t bow to Putin and overthrew his puppet, what was the response? Invade Crimea and instigate civil war on Donbas. D) The West is right to give Ukraine every chance to defend itself. If Britain invaded us tomorrow, I’d hope we could count on similar solidarity. E) Zelensky is not a Western puppet.
@SquintEastwood: what were the diffent ‘beliefs’ that russian speakers held? what exactly are russian ways? i would never attempt to presume i know everything but i do know that russia invaded Ukraine twice and that its blatant land grabs both times
@Rian Lynch: Lmao you know very well what countries I’m talking about. But typically you’ll do what you’ve always done look the other way and say claim whataboutry. Tell me Rian why are the Ukrainian lives more important to you that you want Europe cripple itself by punishing Russia and Iraqi, Afghani, and lybian lives mean nothing that you were happy to for Europe the Us and UK levels the middle East?
@Roy Dowling: It’s simple. Russian aggression will not stop at Ukraine and will expand further into Europe if not stopped. Putin has already threatened Norway, Finland, Latvia, Estonia. That’s why Europe takes a different view. Nothing to do with morality, rights or wrongs. Both were and are wrong but you can have a different response to two wrongs.
@Roy Dowling: i have friends from ukraine. dont pretend to be on some moral high ground because you say america is bad. europe has been relatively peaceful since the end of ww2 with a few exceptions in the balkans. russia has brought war to europe again and for no reason other than to expand russia at the expense of peaceful countries. we now have millions if refugees in Europe because of russias conflict. plus russia has made such a mess of the conflict that theyve turned it into blood bath.
@Elrond Rivendell: American aggression didn’t stop at Afghanistan or Iraq did it it’s still bombing the middle but hey it killing is ok when they do it.
@SquintEastwood: John Mearsheimer, is that you?
@Rian Lynch: I never claimed to be on any morale high ground. Your the one making excuses for the US. Why does it matter if the war is in Europe or the middle East or anywhere? Surely all lives matter and if any country anywhere invades another the rest of the world should react the same?.
@Rian Lynch: Europe has been very peaceful if you ignore when it wasn’t and NATO was bombing Serbia for 3 months.
@Seán: Yeah because Serbia was engaging in a bit of good old genocide on Kosovans much like they did on Bosnian Muslims. Genocide seems to be a bit of craic for Slavic Nationalists and it’s no wonder that Serb Nationalists are Putin’s biggest supporters. Roy Dowling aside.
@Roy Dowling: what about ukranian lives then . i mean the time to comment on the iraq war was when it was happening no? you loving absolving russia of any responsibility because the US was guilty in the past
@Elrond Rivendell: Call me what ever you like still doesn’t change the fact the EU stood bye and did absolutely nothing while the US and UK invaded 2 countried killed hundreds and thousands of innocent civilians and continued on to bomb many other countries.
@Rian Lynch: All lives are equal to me. Doesn’t matter where they are from on this planet. Where did I absolved Russia of any responsibility? You ask a question. I gave an answer. You just didn’t like my answer so now your making stuff up
@Roy Dowling: we are talking about Ukraine here. We already know for the 100th time the US weren’t so good either, we can’t let Russia Ukraine ever.
@shligo boyzz: But we could let the US and UK destroy the middle East? Have you nothing to say about how the EU stood by and let that happen but will now cripple itself to punish Russia. I wouldn’t mind if the sanctions actually meant something but they stink of hypocrisy because the EU turned to Israel and Saudi Arabia for gas and oil. Both just as evil as Russia yet the EU deems there wars ok. But her it’s all about Ukraine Palestinian and Yemen don’t matter just like Afghanistan and Iraq.
@Roy Dowling: oh please spare us the false indignation about america. people are commenting about the conflict in ukraine and your trying to lead the cinversation into a conflict that has nithing to do with the story at hand
@Rian Lynch: Go back and look at the question you asked. I answered your question. Simple as that you made it into something else because you didn’t like the answer.
@Roy Dowling: yeah “all lives matter” but lets not talk about Ukraine. every. single. time
@Rian Lynch: where did I say let’s not talk about Ukraine?. Please tell me where I said that?
@Roy Dowling: weve been having the same arguement since february. all you talk about is america. always. every single time regardless of the story. its ‘im not a supporter of the kremlin’ immedialty followed by “but america invaded iraq” . youre like a broken record
@Rian Lynch: you asked what Europe should do. I answered. It should do what it did when the US and UK invaded countries. you kept it going. So I’ll ask you a couple of questions. the US and UK invaded countries killed hundred of thousands of civilians and suffered no consequences. So why should Russia suffer consequences for invading Ukraine?.
No 2. Why haven’t you called for Europe to sanction Israeli gas and Saudi oil for their actions in Palestine and Yemen?
@Roy Dowling: its like i can predict the future about what youll comment.
@Rian Lynch: Why did you ignore my questions? I’ll ask you another. Why is the EU buying russian oil off Saudi Arabia?
Saudi Arabia is importing cheap russian oil and selling it at a profit to the EU. So Eu is still getting russian oil but paying more money for it. Tell me how is that helps Ukraine or The EUs own citizens?.
@Roy Dowling: why did russia invade ukraine ?
@Roy Dowling: It also doesn’t change the fact that you’re all over these forums trying to deflect from the actions of a corrupt little fascist mobster who is inflicting war on a sovereign country by engaging in unlimited whatabouttery. US and UK actions in Iraq or Afghanistan have nothing to do with an imperialist land grab by Putin, about whom no words are sufficient to describe the evil that exists within him and yet are defended or deflected from by apologists like you.
@Roy Dowling: Because most European governments thought the US might actually have been right at the time in 2003. They weren’t of course and didn’t have UN backing and what the US did was illegal but those European countries thought Saddam was a tyrant and none were offering condolences tto the Iraqi people on his demise. I
t’s called Real Politik.
Ukraine is happening literally on Europe’s own borders of course it’s going to have a more visceral impact.
I know it’s easy for you to play the hurler on the ditch and claim everyone’s a hypocrite because “they are all as bad as one another” and ignore pragmatism.
If you grovel to Putin not to turn off the gas this winter how low will you go when he threatens to do it the following winter?
@Rian Lynch: I’ve no idea why Russia invaded Ukraine. You see I answered your questions so please stop ignoring mine and answer them.
@Elrond Rivendell: It’s not whataboutry it’s EU hypocrisy. If you look back on the comments I haven’t defended Russia once. I’ve simply showm the EU will tolerate western countries invading other countries killing hundreds and thousands of civilians. Everything I said is the truth and if the truth hurts you that’s not my problem. Russian, US, UK, Putin, Bush, Blair all the same all evil but only Russia gets punished. Not exactly right is it?
@Diaspora’d: European countries knew America and the uk werw.lying, both European and American weapons inspectors said their was no Wmds in Iraq. Blair has recently stated he knew there wasn’t any wmds in Iraq but he agreed to the invasion because at the time he felt it was the right thing to do at the time. Even after the invaded and found nothing and killed hundreds of thousands EU country took respective action and tried to punish the US or UK. They all kept quiet and watched them go on and bomb several more middle Eastern countries and did nothing about that either. Wonder why.
@Roy Dowling: i am irish. i would identify as european. i see no problem with europe, in the current climate buying israeli gas or saudi oil. cutting european dependency on russian fuels means pressure on russia to end the conflict in ukraine. i would point out that israel gas is exported all over the middle east. and saudi involvment in yemen is as part of a broad coalition of countries in the region
@Roy Dowling: You are attempting to construct a moral equivalence and failing miserably. Russia invaded Afghanistan in 1979 killing a million mostly civilians. It enabled the rise of the Taliban and became a haven for terrorism. September 11 etc. Context for Iraq is Saddam and his terrorist state striving to procure WMD.. Ukraine is a flawed democracy with problems invaded by a criminal KGB led regime. No moral equivalence.
@Roy Dowling: what is it that so hard for you to understand?
The illegal war in Iraq wasn’t such a big deal for European countries because for the most part their national interests aligned somewhat with those of the US. None of them were fans of Saddam. Ukraine is literally on their doorstep it borders the EU. Putin is a despot running a kleptocracy for over 20 years his interests don’t align with those of Europe, Merkel made the mistake of letting Putin have a monopoly on supplying Europe’s gas and a realignment now seems to be going on.
Again, if you grovel to Putin this Winter, how low will you grovel the following winter?
@Rian Lynch: In otherword you don’t mind a country invading it’s neighbour and killing it’s civilians once it’s not near you. Got it.
@Diaspora’d: Ah so they were not fans of Saddam so that makws it ok the Stand by and watch hundreds and thousands of Iraqi civilians die.
@Roy Dowling: how do you source your fuel roy to make sure its not saudi or russian etc? or your gas?
@Roy Dowling: It’s total whatabouttery. What does a war waged 20 years ago by past regimes have to do with Putin. In fact, when Putin or Lavrov defend their actions in the face of phantom NATO aggression against Russia, they cite these examples still. Well let’s go back all the way back. In post war Europe, USA rebuilt Western Europe while Russia occupied & subjugated Eastern Europe. Further, as I’ve already explained to you but you’ve chosen to try putting words in my mouth, there are geopolitical and security reasons why the EU is more concerned about the barbarian hordes banging on its gates and seeking its demise than what happens in the Middle East. Morality comes down the list regrettably but that’s the reality. There are reasons for the EU taking different views of these wars.
@Rian Lynch: I don’t. I also don’t see the difference in buying oil off Russia or Saudi Arabia, they are both war mongering fascist dictatorships. So why are we crippling the EU economy and risking a fuel shortage buying expensive oil of the Saudi instead of cheaper russian oil.( Which the Saudis are now buying)
I have another question for you. Being that your Irish and you identity as European. Would you call for boycott of all Chinese products if China invaded Taiwan tomorrow?. And if so why giving that Taiwan like Iraq isn’t in Europe.
I know you’ll ignore this question as well because that’s what you do
@Roy Dowling: Must be nice sitting there on your ditch being all idealistic.
That war in Iraq was illegal it set off a disaster for the already hostile inter tribal, ethnic and religious groups that were bunched into Iraq’s made up borders by foreign powers and ruled by puppets and dictators, same with Libya.
Again your continent’s gas is being supplied almost monopolistically by a despot who’s invaded countries on your border and has admitted he is definitely not aligned with EU interests and threatens countries that express an interest in joining. What are you going to do? Give him a pass because a long gone US administration messed up in Iraq and quake in fear next time he wants a pass and threatens to turn it off?
@Elrond Rivendell: So again when it suits the EU it’s happy to look the other way when a superpower inavades a country and kills hundreds and thousands of innocent Civilians once it’s far away. Good to know the EU won’t sanction China should it invade Taiwan. That’s far away. But I’m betting my mortgage that the EU will once again do exactly what the US tells us to again.
@Roy Dowling: yes to china boycott. were standing up to russia to preserve western democracy and take a stand against totalitarianism and colonialism . plus nice to see youre willing to sentence 40 million ukranians to persecution under the russian regime.
@Diaspora’d: tell me Diaspora’d how is the EU Buying gas off Israel and different than buying it off Russia. Irseal is invading it’s neighbour killing and illegally taking its land. But somehow Israel good Russia is bad. No Russia shouldn’t get a pass but neither should the US or UK. But nobody has the balls to stand up to them and charge Bush and Blair for their illegal invasion the same way you walk want Putin charged. All 3 belong in the same prison but somehow only Putin is classed as evil. I agree he is but he’s now more than Bush or Blair.
@Rian Lynch: US UK kill hundreds of thousands, that’s ok no sanctios needed.. Israel invades Palestinian kills and takes its land, that’s ok no sanctions needed. Saudi blowing Yemen back to the stone age and causing the biggest humanitarian crisis of our time( bigger than Ukraine) that’s ok to you no sanctions needed. Good to know than hundreds of millions of middle Eastern lives mean nothing to you.
@Roy Dowling: Tell us. where should Europe get the natural gas it needs? From a despot that invades countries on your border because they expressed an interest in joining the trading bloc you’re in and will threaten to cut it off anytime he wants or from a wider range of countries that you already trade with anyway and don’t happen to be invading countries on your borders. Seriously I imagine you’d rather sit in the cold freezing your ass off on principle.
@Rian Lynch: Unlike you Rian I treat all lives equally. I believe that the same crime deserves the same punishment. But the EU clearly don’t. It looked away the US and UK invaded the middle East. It’s looking away at what Israel and Saudi Arabia is doing. And unlike you I won’t call for boycott of Russian oil and accept Saudi oil as ok to buy as Saudi is further away than Russia. Your literally saying we need our oil and gas from somewhere so it’s ok that Saudi and Israel are doing the same thing Russia is doing. Me I don’t see it that way and if we’re going to buy from a state that’s invading and killing it’s neighbour then why not buy from the one whos selling it cheaper thus improving our day to day lives.
@Diaspora’d: Israel is a despot country that’s invading a country on its border. It’s taken Palestinian land that doesn’t belong to it. There is absolutely no difference in buying gas of Israel instead of Russia. Only difference is Israel is an ally with the US.
@Roy Dowling: you know what roy you need to enter politics and start a movement to look for just that. best of luck with it. otherwise youre just a hippocrite
@Roy Dowling. Makes a lot of sense to diversify and realign so as not be be reliant on Russia for over 40% of your natural gas.
@Roy Dowling: you can’t post a comment without mentioning the US chill out.
@Roy Dowling: As I said, look to history to see why the EU and USA have close ties. In any case, did it ever occur to you that when the USA and UK invaded Iraq, even if the EU wanted to sanction either country, it would have been vetoed by the UK. EU will sanction China if it invades Taiwan, probably because of its close ties to the US. Will India sanction.China in this instance? Probably not. Will Indonesia? Probably not. Will Russia? Definitely not given the despotic alliance of these totalitarian autocratic imperialists. But given your constant whatabouttery, you’ll go full circle and defend these guys not sanctioning China on the basis that the EU did not sanction the USA or UK even when it couldn’t.
@Rian Lynch: you’ll find your the Hippocrite.
You want the EU to punish Russia for invading Ukraine. Yet your also ok with the EU turning to Israel and Saudi Arabia for oil and gas.
Your fine with buying oil and gas of an aggressive invading country just along they are doing there invading and killing far away..
Like EU you only have Morales when it suits you.
@Rian Lynch: it’s dead easy to take the “sure there all as bad as one another” line.
But notice in essence all Roy claims is what Russia did should be ignored because what past US or UK administrations did were in his mind ignored. Anyone who takes a stand now against what Russia just did must be a hypocrite.
Classic hurler on the ditch. Waste of time debating
@Roy Dowling: youre a mouthpiece on the internet whos entertaining himself by pretending to be a voice of reason in a world consumed by warmongers . you constantly preach of the past evils of US UK etc and try distract from current evils being carried out in ukraine. do you post on middle eastern news sites and tell the syrians jordanians egyptians etc that theyre helping israel take palestinian land by buying israeli gas ? what about iranian sites about their involvement in yemen. or all the other countries allied with saudi arabia ? or is it too easy to cry how wonderfully woke you are on liberal western media
@Elrond Rivendell: are you really THAT deluded, he IS a puppet for sleepy joe, and now is slowly becoming a paranoid wanna be dictator, just this week sacked a load of cabinet for fear of collaboration with the enemy, now why would they be so called collaborating, maybe to bring an end to this conflict, sure sign he is paranoid as hell, and if he would only stop DEMANDING , money and weapons, and listening to the likes of sleepy joe and his ilk, then maybe this conflict would come to an end sooner.oh and sanctions are not, and will not work, it has been proven in the past. the only people that are hurting the citizens of the world are the corrupt western leaders.
@Elrond Rivendell: if you really believe what you just wrote then what a sad little uninformed person you are
@Rian Lynch: you really are deluded with comments like that, maybe you need to go and do a bit of historical research and understand whats really going on n the world, america are neck deep in this conflict, as with every other conflict in the world im sure if you dug deep enough you would find american influence in all of them, so instead of getting all your info from so called reliable media (lol) try finding some real info on whats going on exactly
@Darren Murphy: Sleepy Joe, a term straight from the Trump lexicon of insults alright. I know your kind. You seem to think that Ukraine should just roll over and take it from the Russians. As for corrupt Western leaders? They’re in the Ha’penny Place compared to the fascist little warmonger who has invaded his neighbours on no less than 3 occasions under his rule, compares himself to Peter the Great, has threatened Norway, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Moldova, has threatened nuclear war on anyone who gets in the way of his imperialist ambitions, murders political opponents and engages in war crimes. Read the Magnitsky Act by Bill Browder, gives a good insight into your hero.
@Darren Murphy: Can’t debate the facts then oh Enlightened One?
@Elrond Rivendell: Ah to be fair, it takes time to trawl thru twitter to find a response. Those inane sound bites of his aren’t just sitting in his own head you know, he’s just a regurgitator.
@SquintEastwood: Maybe we should have just given the BRITTS what they wanted and then us the Irish wouldn’t have been slaughtered/ raped by them too.
They want to land lock Ukraine and take Odessa, and they are holding the EU to ransom with energy. Germany has been the biggest let down in this regard, should be more like Lithuania.
im just curious, if the people of Ukraine were black, asian, muslim, hindu arab would as many people in the west be so quick to open their doors and homes and countries for these people. we in the west have been indoctrinated over time to see skin colour and religion that is not our own, as the enemy and something to be erradicated. but because these people of Ukraine are WHITE, CHRISTIAN, we somehow open everything we have for them, this unfortunately stinks of hypocrisy, but i guess because we are in the great democracy inspired by the west, killing of anything different in nature to us is acceptable in the eyes of many, as is clearly shown in peoples ignorance to seeking the truth , but thankfully we are all not as closed minded to understanding the TRUTH of whats going on, and all i can say is everyday when i see how people neglect the truth, i dismay for the future of humanity.
For now we can sleep in peace, but it won’t always be like this. In the Book of Daniel, we read, “And both these kings [Great Britain and Russia. In 1882 British troops occupied Egypt. Great Britain then took the role of "the king of the south". Around the same time, Russia expanded its influence in the region, which previously belonged to Seleucus I Nicator, and took the role of "the king of the north"], their hearts (will be) to do mischief, and at one table (they) will speak a lie; but it will not succeed. Indeed yet (the) completion to (the) appointed time [then the sign of Jesus will be fulfilled (global nuclear war)]. And [the king of the north] will go back (to) his land with great wealth [1945. This detail indicated that after the previous victories Hitler will attack the Soviet Union and will fight to the bitter end]; and his heart (will be) against the holy covenant [Soviet Union introduced state atheism and believers were repressed]; and will act; and go back to his own land [1991-1993. The collapse of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. The troops from the Soviet military bases returned to their country]. At the appointed time [he] will return back [Russian troops will return to where they were previously stationed. It also means military actions, a major crisis, plus the break-up of the EU and NATO], and will enter into the south [because of ethnic conflict], but it will not be as the former or as the latter [here is a reference to military actions related to the implementation of the announcement concerning the return of the "king of the north". These will not develop directly into a global nuclear war. This war, which is a sign, will only begin after the return of the "king of the north"], then the dwellers of coastlands of Kittim [the distant West] will come against him, and (he) will break down [mentally], and will go back.” (11:27-30a) This will be a mutual slaughter and world war not only by name. And the great power sword will be used. (Revelation 6:4) Jesus characterized him in this way: “A frightening things both and extraordinary (related to unusual phenomena) from sky powerful will be.” (Luke 21:11) Because of the use of these terrible weapons there will be significant tremors along the length and breadth of the regions [of strategic importance] and famines, and pestilences. Some ancient manuscripts contain the words “and frosts”. The Aramaic Peshitta: “and will be great frosts”. (Luke 21:11) We call this today “nuclear winter”. In Mark 13:8 there are also words of Jesus: “and disorders” (in the sense of confusion and chaos). The Aramaic Peshitta: “and confusion” (on the state of public order). The global nuclear war, (this will be the fulfillment of the sign of Jesus), will start with an ethnic conflict: “For nation will rise against nation”, like as in 2008 in Georgia. (Matthew 24:7) It won’t be Armageddon. “But all these things are a beginning of birth-pains.” (Matthew 24:8, DLNT)
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