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Being unhealthy can be a bit of a goldmine...

An Irish pension provider is offering larger payouts to people who are, well, likely to die sooner.

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AN IRISH PENSION provider is pushing its latest product hard towards the less healthy people in society.

Irish Life’s ‘Enhanced Annuity’ product is being specifically targeted at those with unhealthy lifestyles or a history of illness.

The ‘innovative’ pension plan offers ‘better value to customers who have experienced poor health’ according to a company release.

So… quitting smoking might not be such a good idea after all.

morbid Pictured: morbid economics.

“Based on Irish policies sold to date the most common medical conditions presented include: heart conditions, diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol and cancer,” says the release.

The main lifestyle issues include being overweight or underweight and a history of smoking.

Pension products like this function effectively on the company taking a punt that their client will die sooner. That being the case, the money saved on subsequent payouts can be used to subsidise other customers, or be taken as profit.

Such slightly macabre financial products have made major headway in the UK in recent years, something the Irish sector is obviously keen to replicate.

“Currently up to 54% of UK retirees benefit from increased income through this kind of product,” says Irish Life CEO David Harney.

One of our key objectives is to increase the number of Irish customers benefiting from this.
Indeed, some of our clients received a 25% enhancement in income as they had a range of medical conditions.

Sounds pretty conclusive, best get smokin’, eatin’ and diabetin’ so.

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    Mute honey badger
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:04 AM

    Of course we should. Better pay/ conditions/ equipment for our defence forces = Better outcomes/ better security. As things stand, we are virtually defenceless and rely on others, all while loudly pontificating to others who are facing/ dealing with many hybrid threats.

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    Mute Stanley Marsh
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:00 AM

    @honey badger: I would say yes as well but I would love to see a referendum on neutrality to finally put it to bed.

    We can’t expect to reap the benifits of a free, open, democratic society if we’re not willing to stand up for it.

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    Mute honey badger
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:07 AM

    @Stanley Marsh: We should. Your last line reminded me of Sean Lemass saying that if Europe was worth being a part of, it was worth defending. Its fate is our fate.

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    Mute Beachvibe
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:42 AM

    @Stanley Marsh: We are a small island who couldn’t even get Northern Ireland back. To say you want to fight for foreign lands who did nothing for us is ridiculous

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    Mute Beachvibe
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:43 AM

    @honey badger: It’s not worth being a part of. They do nothing except load asylum seekers on Ireland

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    Mute honey badger
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:52 AM

    @Beachvibe: Bore off, dikhead.

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    Mute Beachvibe
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:59 AM

    @honey badger: Bore off far left nut. If you want to fight in foreign wars spend your own life and money on it not ours dikhead

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    Mute Beachvibe
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    Feb 19th 2025, 11:00 AM

    @honey badger: You encouraged the Irish government to spend 1 billion euro on asylum seekers last year

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    Mute John Moylan
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    Feb 19th 2025, 11:18 AM

    @Stanley Marsh: Referendums in Ireland never put anything to bed. Just builds new, other beds to whinge about.

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    Mute Stanley Marsh
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    Feb 19th 2025, 12:15 PM

    @Beachvibe: Where did I say that?

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    Mute Stanley Marsh
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    Feb 19th 2025, 12:16 PM

    @John Moylan: They are however, the only way we have of finding out the will of the people.

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    Mute Trevor McEvoy
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    Feb 19th 2025, 5:11 PM

    @Beachvibe: Go back to bed, will ya…

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    Mute normally go through toll twice a day (M50), that will stop!!
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    Feb 19th 2025, 6:05 PM

    @honey badger: we can never spend enough so we can defend ourselves. So it’s waste.
    I agree with paying additional allowances depending on the risk involved in the duty.

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    Mute Dvsespaña
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:48 PM

    @honey badger: Spending more on defence as a neutral country is a great idea, spending more on defence as a slippery slope into the EU army, NATO and giving up neutrality is not.

    You have a really gung-ho attitude to war, given you never have and never will take part in one, stick to call of duty.

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    Mute pauley870
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    Feb 19th 2025, 8:57 AM

    What and who are we supposed to be defending against

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    Mute Richard Dignam
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    Feb 19th 2025, 8:59 AM

    @pauley870: terrorism, drug shipments, and to police are own waters, to name a few.

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    Mute John Murphy
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:04 AM

    @Richard Dignam: Russian sub sea sabotage mitigation too

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    Mute gregory pym
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:20 AM

    @pauley870: wake up pauley

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    Mute Setanta O'Toole
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:21 AM

    @pauley870: Oliver Cromwell.

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    Mute Glen Kelly
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:43 AM

    @pauley870: migrants that’s who

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    Mute Neil Doherty
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:51 AM

    @Glen Kelly: they are not the enemy. Get off TikTok!

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    Mute Jack Hayes
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:52 AM

    @Glen Kelly: Don’t forget bigots

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    Mute Glen Kelly
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:41 AM

    @Neil Doherty: tik Tok are you having a laugh

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    Mute Glen Kelly
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:42 AM

    @Jack Hayes: get the boat you

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    Mute Unknown Unknown
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:45 AM

    @pauley870: Trump

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    Mute Beachvibe
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    Feb 19th 2025, 11:00 AM

    @Unknown Unknown: We rely on the US fool.

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    Mute Ger Whelan
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    Feb 19th 2025, 11:14 AM

    @John Murphy: Russia Sub sea sabotage? Well one we don’t own any sub sea equipment. 2 we can only use our military to patrol up to 12 nautical miles off our coast. So if anyone is beyond 12 nautical miles of our coast which is international waters and damages sub sea equipment there is nothing our military could do. So how can we stop russian sub sea sabotage? Please inform me

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    Mute Kevin O Brien
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    Feb 19th 2025, 12:08 PM

    @John Murphy: falling for the government and weapon manufacturers propaganda John ,following the money usually gives the answers

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    Mute Lorraine Vart
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    Feb 19th 2025, 12:12 PM

    @Richard Dignam: agree but we need a much better Coastguard customs and immigration control and more Guards and community policing. Not more defence spending. Who exactly is going to invade Ireland?

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    Mute Damien Leahy
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    Feb 19th 2025, 1:33 PM

    @pauley870: you’d swear we were never invaded.

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    Mute keith fay
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:05 AM

    Yes, absolutely and we should join NATO as we currently rely on the UK for air defence, at least make it official

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    Mute danmullins3
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:25 AM

    @keith fay: NATO’s future is in doubt with Trump and after 4 years, who knows what kind of condition it’ll be in and the next US president may not pivot back to it. We should focus on a European focused defensive strategy, Whether that’s EU centric or EU plus others (UK).

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    Mute Larissa Caroline Nikolaus
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:32 AM

    @danmullins3: Fair enough, though Ireland should definitely pull the finger and stop proclaiming to be neutral, either become fully neutral, like Switzerland, including proper self defence forces, or join a military alliance, be it NATO, or a European project, instead of just relying on others for protection, because, let’s face it, if Russia were to make good on its threats and start attacking Europe, they wouldn’t care if Ireland says “Oi, stop, we’re neutral” without having at least some power to back up those words

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    Mute Ger Whelan
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:08 AM

    @Larissa Caroline Nikolaus: Who have we relied on for protection? Can you please give us dates and times where Ireland was about to be attacked and an outside military stepped in to stop said attack? If Russia was to make good and start attacking Europe they won’t care if we say we’re neutral?. Possibly not. But tell me this how many countries in Europe who you say Russia have attacked will allow the Russia army and navy to stroll by so their nations so Russia can invade us?.

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    Mute Beachvibe
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:44 AM

    @keith fay: Nope. We need to be neutral.

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    Mute George Vladisavljevic
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:44 AM

    @keith fay: Who is entering Irish airspace?

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    Mute Unknown Unknown
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:46 AM

    @keith fay: yep, take the place the USA leaves.

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    Mute Beachvibe
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:56 AM

    @Larissa Caroline Nikolaus: We should become fully neutral. And foreigners shouldn’t be telling Ireland what to do.

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    Mute John Moylan
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    Feb 19th 2025, 11:20 AM

    @danmullins3: no, the US’s future as a member of NATO may be in doubt (should be), but NATO itself will evolve without the US.

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    Mute common sense
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:00 AM

    We can’t be pathetic forever. Relying on a foreign country to protect us is embarrassing. Spend less on NGO’s and other unnecessary stuff and spend more on defence!

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    Mute Neil Doherty
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:54 AM

    @common sense: you are looking at Ireland from the wrong view.

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    Mute Chop Chop
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:34 AM

    @common sense: What we need is defence from our own government.

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    Mute George Vladisavljevic
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:46 AM

    @common sense: Protect from whom?

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    Mute Beachvibe
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:57 AM

    @common sense: We wouldn’t need protection if you stopped putting Ireland in other people’s wars

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    Mute Paul Doheny
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    Feb 19th 2025, 8:57 AM

    No

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    Mute Peter McCormack
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:39 AM

    We should reduce social welfare and increase military expenditure.

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    Mute John Kenny
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:09 AM

    No put them to work on our ports to stop the illegals coming in instead of wasting bullets up in the hills

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    Mute Jack Hayes
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:53 AM

    @John Kenny: Unleash them on bigots.

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    Mute Neil Doherty
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:57 AM

    @John Kenny: you are doing too much doom scrolling on TikTok it seems.

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    Mute DJ Bermo
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:00 AM

    @Jack Hayes: interesting thought….bigots for live fire training, they could sell tickets or PPV to supplement costs.

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    Mute RIP
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:00 AM

    Yes, but Housing First

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    Mute Beachvibe
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    Feb 19th 2025, 11:09 AM

    @RIP: They spent 1 billion euro on asylum seekers last year. Foreigners always come before the Irish

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    Mute francis devenney
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    Feb 20th 2025, 10:35 AM

    @Beachvibe: So 1 billion out of the 96.6 billion spent is some how putting Foreigners first? Could you explain your thinking there?

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    Mute Richard Barrett
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:16 AM

    Spending “more on defence” is not the right question. Of course we can beef up deficient parts of our defence system and recruit more personnel (and pay them better) but I suspect the question is designed to make it look like most people want to become part of a militarised Europe on a war footing against Russia. In that case, my answer is No, no and thrice no.

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    Mute Patrick Newell
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:19 AM

    Paying the current crop and decent wage and making pay and conditions worth having a long career in the DF would be a good start

    Then the politicians can get all the erectile dysfunctions they want buying new fancy weapons and toys to brag about at the next brussels sprouts meeting and talking about joining NATO

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    Mute George Vladisavljevic
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:55 AM

    Increase patrol aircraft and ships for search and rescue as well as to deter drug shipments, and to patrol Irish waters. Increasing number of Infantry and combat arms to fight foreign wars is of no benefit to Ireland. Giving them to Ursula and her teams surrendering our sovereignty.

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    Mute Beachvibe
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:44 AM

    Any person who says Ireland should fight for foreign lands should be sacrificing THEIR OWN lives and money, not dragging the whole country down with them.

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    Mute Barb Dwyre
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:59 AM

    @Beachvibe: how does spending more on defence equate to “Ireland should fight for foreign lands”? Can you explain the process of that? Switzerland and Austria spend 0.79% and 0.87% of GDP respectively on defence. Both neutral in the total sense of the word. But, they have the ability to defend their neutrality. Nowhere in Bunreacht na hEireann is the word “neutral” mentioned so technically no referendum required expand our defence abilities or join an military alliance.

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    Mute Beachvibe
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    Feb 19th 2025, 11:03 AM

    @Barb Dwyre: Spending €50 million funding the war in Ukraine is NOT neutral. Ireland needs to learn the concept of neutral and stop throwing away are hard earned money because of activist wasters who look after everyone except the Irish in Ireland

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    Mute Informed
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    Feb 19th 2025, 12:08 PM

    For the past 2000 years every century has seen major powers engaged in military conflict. Today, in 2025, we had hoped this pattern would be avoided but not so. Emergence of major conflict was inevitable because that is the way of our species.

    But today the wrong question is being asked. We should be asking what form the next conflict will take and if we are capable of dealing with it. 200 years ago the determining factor was the number of troops. 100 years ago it was battleships. 70 years ago it was airpower. Today it is electronics, hacking capability and remote warfare through drones.

    If we are to spend money, solutions to these areas are essential. Spending €5m renovating officers quarters in a listed building in Cork, as was announced yesterday, is totally the wrong approach.

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    Mute Rochelle Hart
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    Feb 19th 2025, 12:29 PM

    There’s no reason military spending should be a priority for anyone in a country with constant hospital overcrowding and escalating homelessness.

    If the security of undersea cables is really what is keeping you awake at night then you must have a very privileged existence.

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    Mute Ian Heaton
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:19 AM

    Spending probably needs increasing for effectiveness and staff morale, but shouldn’t be a means to an end of ending neutrality or joining NATO. Being part of NATO shouldn’t have to be a determining factor of protection from other nations given the size and location of Ireland.

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    Mute Bat Collins
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    Feb 19th 2025, 12:11 PM

    Defence against who? Spend the money on housing as half the country is living in rented accommodation most likely owned by politicians who make the laws to suit their pockets.
    There are too many politicians involved in rental housing so where is there interest in building housing when it will affect their pockets.
    Just take a look at how many of our national and local politicians are landlords.

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    Mute Alan Smith
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    Feb 19th 2025, 12:27 PM

    Only on better pay & conditions for troops. We’re a neutral country. Money is better spent on housing, homeless & many many other issues rather than new guns & jeeps.

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    Mute Ollie Fitzpatrick
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:34 AM

    How can we vote on that when we don’t know, or, not told in the item, how much is actually spent on defence. It’s like voting on a blank ballot paper!!!

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    Mute Pat Farrelly
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:03 AM

    @Ollie Fitzpatrick: Try looking it up on ‘where your money goes’ on gov.ie instead of posting that you are not told. Do you really think that the Journal should jog around to your house and brief you because (a) you are too lazy to inform yourself (b) you are incapable of informing yourself or (c) somebody should especially inform you because you are ever so special?

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    Feb 19th 2025, 11:48 AM

    @Pat Farrelly: Go back to your 3 piece jigsaw, dole troll!!

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    Mute Chris
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:19 AM

    You’re very naive if you say so when, for example, we had Russian submarines approaching Irish waters a few years ago. Thanks to our British buddies, they were deterred.

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    Mute Ger Whelan
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:02 AM

    @Chris: seriously you think we detected russian submarines heading to Irish waters. Have we told NATO of our ability to track russian subs, I’m sure they would be eternally grateful as they’ve been trying to figure a way to track them for decades.

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    Mute Beachvibe
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    Feb 19th 2025, 11:07 AM

    @Chris: Well maybe Ireland should not provoke Russia by getting involved in the war while falsely saying we are neutral. Gov spent another 50 million euro on that war just as the USA retracted 100 million.

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    Mute R kelly
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    Feb 19th 2025, 11:25 AM

    If we spend more on defense…. we won’t have any money for more bike sheds….so no! We need more bike sheds!

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    Mute ian
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    Feb 19th 2025, 3:21 PM

    No. The rest of the world should spend less and look after the health of their citizens and not feed arms industry countless billions. . .

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    Mute Notty Tee
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:55 AM

    Defence spending won’t make a ounce of difference if someone decides to invades us. A huge cache of weapons for civilians, given out for resistance would be our only effective defence.

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    Mute Beachvibe
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    Feb 19th 2025, 11:01 AM

    @Notty Tee: I hope America invades Ireland. Better than being in the EU.

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    Feb 19th 2025, 12:09 PM

    @Beachvibe: Obviously SF American lick ar5er

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    Feb 19th 2025, 12:43 PM

    @Notty Tee: No they kiss up to Palestine and Arab nations

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    Mute Thesaltyurchin
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:59 PM

    @Beachvibe: eeew

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    Feb 19th 2025, 11:18 AM

    Other than better wages and conditions for our defence forces I wouldn’t spend more.
    The truth is we can’t actually defend the country unless we make massive spending…. which would leave priority spending on health, housing and education without the funding it requires.
    Neutrality is our best defence, and in reality, nothing will protect us against nuclear weapons…so increase wages and conditions for the defence forces we have…and put our money to better use in housing and health care

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    Mute Kevin O Brien
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    Feb 19th 2025, 12:02 PM

    Big Push on now wonder why! are the bomb and gun manufacturer kickbacks to hard to resist for the Government especially after the Munich death merchants war conference

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    Mute FoxyBoiiYT
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    Feb 19th 2025, 12:00 PM

    Pay more, better equipment sourced in Europe, better radar and detection. Absolutely No to NATO, full neutrality, tell the Brits to stay outta our airspace.

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    Mute Dublin Doll
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:24 AM

    A big ‘YES’ to this.
    Improve conditions and pay for those who are already serving and develop the forces we already have. But the big thing we should focus on is building a navy. We’re an Island nation and its something we should always have done.

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    Mute BL Music
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    Feb 19th 2025, 12:52 PM

    Can people not see the scaremongering going on . The lobby groups for arms manufacturers must be licking their lips with the amount of propaganda going on .

    We need to defend ourselves against EU policies , corrupt politicians and open
    Borders and not fictitious enemies like Russia or china .

    Don’t fall for these adverts for the arms industry

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    Mute Alan Brennan
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    Feb 19th 2025, 1:26 PM

    @BL Music: The Russians , the Russians are coming . False hysteria . The real invasion being encouraged . I will take Russification over Islamification , thank you .

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    Mute A F
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    Feb 19th 2025, 11:26 AM

    War is the biggest scam….nearly 99% of them are total grifts. Our neutrality is a blessing!

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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:36 AM

    No. We can let other country to invade us and take our land then let Trump blame us for starting the war and he decides how much land we are giving away to the invaders.

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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:10 AM

    @Bomber: U.K. can take us over. If it would be good for U.K. and USA business what’s not to like about that?

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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:49 AM

    @Bomber: The north of the island was invaded. Will increasing the military get it back?

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    Mute Beachvibe
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    Feb 19th 2025, 11:10 AM

    @Bomber: US can invade us any day that would be great

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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:21 AM

    The overspending on the children’s hospital could have been used to built our own Iron Dome Defense System . Seriously though , we are beside Britain and obviously strategically important to them . Why not have some official defense agreement with them but retain our neutrality. Share military equipment and intelligence for defense purposes only . Joint patrolling of waters , that sort of thing .

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    Feb 19th 2025, 11:04 AM

    @Alan Brennan: The gov spent 1 billion euro on asylum seekers last year.

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    Feb 19th 2025, 11:21 AM

    @Beachvibe: Whom the gods would destroy , they first make mad . Thankfully other Euro nations are regaining their sanity .

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    Feb 19th 2025, 12:42 PM

    @Alan Brennan: I hope we will regain sanity

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    Feb 19th 2025, 2:18 PM

    Get rid of Army and Navy. Move them to Garda and expand remit of Garda. That way soldiers can police the street rather than sitting in barracks

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    Mute Ailbhe MacThomais
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    Feb 19th 2025, 12:09 PM

    Remember that Michael Martin stated in Dail Éireann that he wants nothing to do with a backwards looking idea of sovereignty when his EU boss Micheal Barnier decided to visit the glorified county council that is on Kildare Street. a billboard quoting Martin outside Army Barricks to show what the political establishment parties think of the efforts in protecting the state. Spending on defense is a joke for over 50 -60 years and can’t defend itself as a world war 2 designed Turbo prop large Russian TU 95 Bear the Air corp cant climb to the height or have the speed to stay with such an old aircraft or the military radar to see whats in Irish airspace or Missile defense capability. proper funded defense capability and neutral countries like Austria,Switzerland both like Ireland non NATO.

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    Mute Shaun Mohangi-Mitchell Just Eat
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:15 AM

    We British in Ireland are proud of the Irish Defence Forces, and I am honoured to become an Irish Citizen this year.

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    Mute Padraig O'Brien
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    Feb 19th 2025, 11:20 AM

    Three more jets, two helicopters and a tank. That’s us sorted so!

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    Mute Patrick Kavanagh
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:33 AM

    We should have a plan in place to increase our military spending to the European average within 5 years.

    Think of all the wasters between the age of 18 and 25 that would join. Either that or no dole.

    Have a plan for an air force that can patrol our skies for the next time Russia decides to pay us a visit.

    Ensure our navy is fully manned and armed

    We could never expect to repell a invasion because to our size. But if we have a defence’s and the right allies we could put people off it.

    It’s a no brainer. We should also investigate getting military defense manufacturers companies in Ireland.
    We have said no in the past. More jobs.

    We don’t have Rambo.

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    Mute Beachvibe
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:57 AM

    @Patrick Kavanagh: We wouldn’t need to if you stopped getting Ireland involved in foreign wars

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    Feb 19th 2025, 11:22 AM

    @Beachvibe: so, when was the last time “getting Ireland involved in foreign wars” was, then ?

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    Feb 19th 2025, 12:41 PM

    @John Moylan: When the government just the other day gave €50 million to the Ukraine war after the US retracted €100 million. That is NOT neutrality.

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    Mute John Costello
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    Feb 19th 2025, 12:48 PM

    To be an independent sovereign democratic nation, you need to be able to protect yourself and assist your neighbours in need. We can currently do neither. We have dishonored our defence forces for years, since its creation post 1922. We’re starting to go in the correct direction, but not near what we should be spending, investing in our Country.

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    Mute Shane O Mac
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    Feb 19th 2025, 5:19 PM

    50mill for a tank or 2 for 100mil

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    Mute Michael Dineen
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    Feb 19th 2025, 8:12 PM

    Absolutely not!
    We should follow the Costa Rican and Icelandic models and scrap our military force altogether. We have no real need for it. No matter how much resources we would pour into it we will never have a force capable of deterring a larger and determined foreign aggressor. We are not going to be waging a war of foreign aggression (or, should not) so we do not need a military equipped with weapons of destruction.
    Instead we should opt for a well armed, well resourced aid to the civil power and protector of domestic security. Much more fit for purpose, much more effective and efficient and much more suitable. And, far, far better value for money.
    Think along the lines of the Spanish Guardia Civil, the French Gendarmerie, the Italian Carabinieri and so on.
    That is much more suited to our needs. OK, it does not fit in with the push to abandon neutrality and join NATO, but then that is a good thing and another reason to abandon any notions of Ireland as a military power.
    Be sensible.

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    Mute Argus Romsworth
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:42 AM

    Yes, but I would be buying arms from China rather than the USA

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    Mute Fran Ken
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:14 AM

    @Argus Romsworth: yes and we should get our uniforms from Hamas. They have thousands of brand spanking new, never used, uniforms. Our lads might have to bulk up a bit to fit in them though, those Hamas guys seemed well fed!

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    Mute GE Zall
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:41 AM

    @Argus Romsworth: Only if the arms are manufactured by children who work 16 hours a day

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    Mute I Am
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:30 AM

    Only if they work. They can patrol our lawless streets so the guards can relax.

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    Mute Pauline Cahill
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:05 PM

    The defence forces should get better pay and equipment and a better environment to work in so instead of spending taxpayers money on Ukraines and asylum seekers put it into defence forces

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    Mute Maire Hicks
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    Feb 19th 2025, 11:22 AM

    Yes for the benefit of the country, protect our waters, border and air space absolutely.

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    Mute Jack Hayes
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:55 AM

    No. Bring up some perennial, timeless issue that we could spend money instead. We don’t understand departmental budgets and we can’t hold more than one issue in our heads at any one time.

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    Mute Joe Bergin
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    Feb 19th 2025, 11:30 AM

    No use saying we’re neutral unless we can defend that position. At the moment, we can’t.

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    Mute Beachvibe
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    Feb 19th 2025, 12:44 PM

    @Joe Bergin: We are giving millions to fund a foreign war. Neutral? Nope

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    Feb 19th 2025, 3:50 PM

    It’s time that Ireland increased its military spending to 2% of our GDP and joined NATO. Nothing is more irresponsible than a nation refusing to defend itself while relying on the goodwill of others to protect it. Yet, this has been Ireland’s policy for decades. Irish politicians love to talk about “neutrality,” as if simply declaring neutrality will make enemies respect it. Ask Ukraine how much neutrality mattered when Russia invaded. Ireland currently spends less than 0.3% of GDP on defence. We have an air force with no fighter jets, a navy that can’t patrol its own waters and an army smaller than many police forces. The Irish Sea is NATO’s back door, and yet Ireland provides zero protection for it. Ireland benefits from NATO’s protection without contributing. That’s called freeloading.

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    Mute Hector turtlehead
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    Feb 19th 2025, 12:12 PM

    Yes, expecting the UK to help and send planes over is embarrassing . Ireland needs to grow up

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    Feb 19th 2025, 1:06 PM

    @Hector turtlehead: It’s not embarrassing , it’s payback . Colonialism , the famine , stealing Grealish and Rice from us .

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    Mute sakk sa
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    Feb 19th 2025, 9:51 AM

    Yes buy more pepper spray

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    Mute Unknown Unknown
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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:54 AM

    Tell Trump on Paddy’s Day that we want to be the 51st state.
    Then, all the loonies with guns will defend us, and the 10 million illegals in the USA will be sorted.
    FF and FG will become republicans. The kerry boys will work with Musk.

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    Feb 19th 2025, 11:04 AM

    @Unknown Unknown: I would welcome his invasion of Ireland any day

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    Feb 19th 2025, 10:05 AM

    Once there’s still enough money left for the dole

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    Feb 19th 2025, 11:05 AM

    @Dixie: They spent 1billion euro on asylum seeking wasters last year and now 50 million funding a foreign war

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    Feb 19th 2025, 1:55 PM

    Some on here like to give out about the British yet we rely on them for protection which is more than a little embarrassing.

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    Mute Pat O'Shea
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    Feb 19th 2025, 6:15 PM

    Yes but expenditure needs to be tightly focused on the following areas: cyber security, navy/coastguard for illegal fishing/drug smuggling/underwater cables protection and also extra pay for defence personnel. More importantly keep on promoting strong diplomacy around the world and show the world that there is more than one way to resolve a conflict and it doesn’t have to be a constant need to ‘arm up’. In reality, our military hardware would be wiped out in a day or two if a superpower attacked regardless of level of defence expenditure. The art of fair negotiation (which Trump clearly knows nothing about) is something that Ireland can continue to do successfully to highlight both its neutrality and it’s role as an honest broker. The arms industry can look for their profits elsewhere.

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    Feb 19th 2025, 7:43 PM

    Yes for sure. But no unions. Simple.

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    Mute Billy Joe
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    Feb 20th 2025, 5:11 AM

    Spend huge amounts on bus shelter, security hut, so I’d imagine
    the fence will be costly as well

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    Feb 19th 2025, 12:04 PM

    #bringharryhome

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