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Updated 8.35pm
SINN FÉIN LEADER Gerry Adams has slammed Fianna Fáil and its leader Micheál Martin in a strongly-worded speech to party members in Dublin tonight.
Adams said that the current Fianna Fáil leadership is “infected” by “arrogance and delusion”.
The speech is a direct response to Martin’s criticism of Sinn Féin, who he said were falsely claiming a connection to 1916, in a speech to Fianna Fáil members at Arbour Hill last Sunday.
Martin and Adams also clashed in a debate on Morning Ireland on Monday, where the former accused the latter of “legitimising” the abduction and murder of Jean McConville.
Adams told party members in the capital tonight that Martin’s speech at Arbour Hill “majored on negativity and invective”.
“His claim that Sinn Féin is not ‘fit for government’ is an example of the arrogance of the old Fianna Fáil. With the leadership that believed that its own interests came before the interests of the country or the interests of the people.
That delusion and that arrogance still infects the current Fianna Fáil leadership.
Adams said that with “every advance of genuine republican politics” Fianna Fáil’s “own failure to deliver on republican principles, is further exposed”.
“By attacking a vibrant and growing party like Sinn Féin, Mr Martin hopes to make himself politically relevant,” Adams said.
He concentrated more on us than he does on this very bad Fine Gael/Labour government. The reason for this is obvious. Fianna Fáil has no strategies of its own.
The Louth TD said the party has “no vision for the future and instead offers the same” under Martin’s leadership.
He said the “austerity agenda” was one implemented by Fianna Fáil, citing water charges, and said that Martin had been in government for the 14 years it was in office.
“It is inconceivable that someone who sat at cabinet from 1997 through to 2011 can in any real way lead the opposition,” Adams said.
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Tit for tat!
Irish politicians are sickening. I’m fed up with all this crap. They should be trying to have constructive opposition to the Government but unfortunately they’re just trying to score points.
I tune in on oireachtas.ie to watch the Dáil events when I can and I feel its time wasted. It’s the same thing every day. I feel like nothing constructive happens in the parliament. The Government keeps its course of continuing it’s policies without listening to the public or politicians, it would be so much more popular if it did.
The opposition on the other hand does what sadly I see in the UK which is say ‘No’ and verbally attack the Government without giving any decent alternatives. They will say they sent them emails about it, emails we never see (( on occasion it’s emails))
The parliament seems to be just for show, everyone turns up. The Government continues its own direction, the opposition continues saying No and says they have better alternatives but don’t seem to present many.
Fair R , you would be better playing space invaders , our Dail is a running joke, a production line of crap and as long as the TDs and the minsters get the 3 bells each month in the bank accounts they care not two phucks.
What we are going thru at present is the shambles that returns them there every 5 years, it’s called democracy…one man one vote thing, but ultimately at the end of the day it means Jack shit. Because the same stalwarts will get voted in time after time after time and bleed of this country like economic leeches.
The problem this time is that SF have stuck their heads out of the sand and are lookin a share of the spoils, and the establishment is fighting hard to keep them same spoils in their own pockets. 2016 celebrations only put froth on the coffee mix for us all as they use it , to try and climb on each other shoulders to bark louder
Renua are starting to look mighty attractive amidst the squabbling parties of yesteryear.
OTV..the gold fish in my bowl would look attractive to you, it has the same memory retention.
In fairness have to agree with Adams FF is totally unimportant and should just fold and disappear into the long night.
Are you out of your head? Renua…? Jesus…
So VinHeffer89..TELL US WHY ?….your quick shot comment blasted itself onto the screen, but it’s no use until you explain your slf…tell is why economically, politically and socially Renua are ‘Out of ones head’……….
Renua don’t really have any policies or at least last time i checked. They said health and education were there biggest policies but didn’t actually release any policy about that, have they released them now?
No matter what Renua’s policies are, they’ll make more sense than Sinn Fein.
Not that that is saying much.
Onetruevoice renua are fg lackeys nothing new with them apart from sf we have the ncm ddi dpi indep and aaa the establishment has to go once and for all._.
What did M. Martin contribute to getting people in n.i. out of poverty being treated as 2nd class citizens-nought. At least Bertie did good work on that. Adams was at the forefront for the people there. How dare anyone bring the Civil War into an election campaign here in the south, especially those who did nought to help the people there. Keep ROI politics in the south based on our issues here. Disappointed in Martin on this one.
Ff sold our sovereignty to foreign banks to a tune of 64 billion with interest repayments of over 8 billion a year.Home evictions mass immigration suicide gone true the roof they feel no shame at all deplorable stuff and not one man gone to jail out of all their corruption truly bizarre country.
OTV and Renua. You strike me as a perfect match. Both utterly clueless.
Jaysus Tír….. seems to me the whole puckin country has went clueless
Has anybody seen my dog ? it was last seen liften it’s leg on Burton ‘s car in Jobstown, it was wagging its tail and running round in circles, clueless , as you put it, before hand.. poor oul bugger was the only one I thought had a bit of sense.
..I reckon it was snatched, subterfuge …no intellects allowed !
Mr Adams seems to know what he is talking about unlike Mr Kenny.
FairR, I agree. I want a Public Accountability Report (PAR) on line for every State funded organization. Top Level Data-salary cost/numbers per band (0-30000; 30-50000; 50-70000; 80-100000; 100k-200k; 200-300k). Also same for pensions. Total employees. Sub Contractor costs. Consultants costs. Capital EXP cost. On line each year. Signeb by Minister Responsible. Approved by Taoiseach.
There was an old saying in the H Blocks..whilst the loyalists were pumping Iron the Republicans were reading books…now we see the fruition
Btw we call them KPI’s; key performance indicators. Transparency. Accountability. Responsibility. TAR.
That wasn’t a saying, that was a fact.
I thought that the general election was taking place in the north, so why are SF squabbling down here…..?
They have to show up so that they can claim expenses….
All one country, Chrissy boy.
The leaders of 1916 would be turning in their graves. The 1916 Easter Rising isn’t about connections to the event, no party has a stronger claim on it than another. No one is hijacking it and I’m sure people know that the leaders care more about the people celebrating and being there to celebrate it more than the political parties.
The entire argument sickens me.
Adams is a sad old parody of himself.
He was relevant when he was negotiating on behalf of the PIRA. At least then, he knew what he was talking about and could achieve something useful.
Watching him talk about modern Ireland is farcical.
To be fair, Sinn Fein are doing a new promotion at their event in the Ambassador – free tickets at the door, a Gerry T-Shirt and a Buritto, all for a fiver if you show up weekdays before 5pm.
Can’t say fairer than that.
It’s Sinn Fein’s Rising in my book unless Fine Gael or Fianna Fail come up with a better deal.
@Diarmuid
That’s your view mine is somewhat different but I would agree that I don’t feel any leaders are in touch with the people.
Mícheal Martin is nothing new, If I vote for him and his party I feel like I’m going to get the same old political dinosaurs with their parish pump politics who don’t represent my views. His party crashed the economy, they’re full of older people who don’t represent me in any way shape or form.
Enda Kenny is not what I think of when I imagine a leader, the man who is going to be representing the Irish people internationally, fair enough he didn’t break too many promises compared to Labour but since he’s been given limited sovereignty from the Troika he’s been screwing up frequently.
Gerry Adams is more of a leader I’d be interested in having, he is no push over. He is a strong thick skinned person. He may have blood on his hands, though. Many instances in regards to child abuse in the IRA and Sinn Fein’s response to it have put me on edge. Gerry also seems to have little to no grasp on the economy which worries me at times (5m to abolish water charges) I also recognize that he was key to bringing peace to Northern Ireland and took the gun out of politics in the North and not even on the IRA’s terms.
Joan Burton is part of the party who abandoned every single promise included in their election platform. Why should I vote them if they care more about being in power than fulfilling their promises. They used their mandate from the people to get into power and then abandoned the people so I am of the opinion the people should now, in turn, abandon Labour
Honestly, watching Adams is like watching a Reeling in the Years, when bombs were going off, the economy was cr@p and the Irish soccer team was half decent.
@Diarmuid
If you don’t mind me asking, who do you support and why?
You are very critical of mr Adams and I’m sure you have reasoning, there is a lot of reasoning to be had surrounding him after all.
Very rounded thoughts and fair to all.
Still no PROOF there Diarmuid ? Ill give you something , your persistent with your ‘theories’. Lets hear the latest on how Adams single handedly ran the entire IRA campaign.
John, I stated above that Adams negotiated on behalf of the PIRA. You think that’s not factual?!
Diarmuid I think that’s a hint you don’t want to say and that’s fine.
I personally think Adams was a member of the IRA. He was probably high up the ranks and it’s for that reason that I believe that he doesn’t know anything/much about Jean McConville because it was one killing and I don’t think high commander/officers would get seriously involved or order killings of one person as punishment I feel that command would be from lower down the ranks but that’s just my opinion, feel free to say why I’m wrong If you believe so
and who mite you be that know it all
It’s naive to think high ranking PIRA terrorists did not identify targets, be they individuals or pubs or shopping streets.
@Diarmuid
I don’t think that the leaders would be focusing on individual attacks on citizens, to be honest.
Diarmuid, you’ve been around the block a couple of times by now..you even make some relevant posts, sometimes.
But you have such a vitreol for SF, that you never explain other than the troubles from years ago.
We have moved on, and we need our young people and electors to move on also. I am in no way trying to diminish what happened in the North, but you know we need to move on; we can take our memories, but lets not pour them down the new generations throats.
I would much prefer that our young people make informed decisions and vote for themselves. Of course history is relevant, but the here and now is more relevant, and my future, and yours, all of our futures, will depend on this next election.
Lets make it about our futures…not our pasts
Adams may have blood on his hands for sure. Obama, Bush, Cameron, Blair, Putin, Castro, Mandela… The list goes on. I just don’t buy that argument from Diarmuid the Gorilla, Mr. Gilhooley, Paul Casey and the likes. Show me a meaningful leader in the last 100 years of a country in conflict without blood on their hands.
I don’t think Enda Kenny, Cowan or Bertie ever controlled an organisation that was an indiscriminate killing machine, but I’ll have to check wikipedia.
Diarmuid, anyone who ever studied the PIRA over the years can tell you that there was a cell structure put in place which took care of operations in their own area and only went further up the line for “big” operations or if they moved into a different area of operation. It wasn’t like they rang up the Army council every time they wanted to take a pot shot at someone. Do you seriously think that the Army Council were wandering around the place looking for targets with half the security forces trying to catch them? I suppose next you’ll be telling us that David Cameron is flying over Iraq and Syria trying to find IS targets!
Gerry Adams was in secret talks with the British Government who no doubt were watching and bugging his every move so the chances of a Provo unit arriving on his doorstep and asking if it was OK to shoot McConville would have been fairly slim.
Yeah, go check
OTV..easy up… the thinking process seems to expose your weakness as a human.. so dont think about Enda Kenny, Cowan or Bertie …t’is no wonder your cats mad…. sit down, calm down and count the squares on the wallpaper
Jenni, plenty of good people out there we can vote for.
The political wing of a terrorist organisation wants us to vote for them. That terrorist organisation murdered and maimed thousands of people on this island up to very recently. It’s not ancient history. They want us to forget and airbrush their history, be selective with what we remember, revise what we continue to remember.
As I said, plenty of good people we can vote for, left and right.
This country does not need terrorist gangster thugs running it.
jaysus its getin some press for a small time operation Pontius ?
Your attacking someone for taking part in negotiations that led to the end of 30 years of conflict in NI .The establishment of the power sharing government.The ending of sectarian apartheid and the beginning of the longest period of peace and prosperity including job creation and economic growth the north has ever seen. Good lad.
You’re absolutely right Diarmuid. There are plenty of good , young people. Thats what I hope for.
The difference between my opinion and yours, is that I dont see a political wing of a terrorist group…you do. You know Diarmuid, that was back in the day, its not even appropriate today. Can I ask? Do you show your kids opposition pr?
Of course you dont.
Thought he was just a go-between John? You’re tripping over your SF manifesto…
He was a lead PIRA negotiator throughout the worst of the PIRA atrocities. These murders and bombings destroyed the NI economy (ironically turning it into London dependent welfare statelet).
Gerry Adams was only 23 at the time of that murder he was never the leader of the ira he was just a boy or young man at most.Thats ridiculous diarmuid he brought peace to the north and put his life on the line to get it.
Jenni…. I see Gerry Adams, Gerry Kelly, Martin McGuinness, Martin Ferris etc etc. They haven’t gone away you know.
“The political wing of a terrorist organisation wants us to vote for them. That terrorist organisation murdered and maimed thousands of people on this island up to very recently.”
Diarmuid, in the space of 2 sentences you contradict yourself completely! The first sentence makes out that SF is the political wing of a (present tense) terrorist organization. The second is past tense and according to you “until very recently” is 1997 when the PIRA called a ceasefire which has remained in place since then. This year is 2015 which I hope won’t shock you too much since you seem to have been in a coma for the last 18 years.
Lads… Ye know what goes online stays online. Ye come from different backgrounds and I think all three of us have different opinions… But we can be civil at least
Bobby, PIRA/SF escalated violence in the north, committing almost 2/3 of murders. They brought war to the north. They packed it in when they were defeated and wanted to cash in their chips for power-sharing.
No One True Voice, but I said meaningful
Diarmuid – You must run for Election – tell me where and I will help you ?
I have always wanted to see a Troll run and run and run and run and finish last !
” They haven’t gone away you know.” 1995. Better call your doctor Diarmuid as you seem to be regressing at an alarming rate. Another few days and you will be quoting Wolfe Tone!
If the people of South Africa had the same attitude as some of the people who are slating SF and Gerry Adams well then Nelson Mandela who was a great leader of his country would have died in prison.
Diarmuid…all that you have said is already in the history books, its there, most of us know it. So lets get over it.
But lets get something straight…yesterday is history…we cant change it. Lets change the next chapter. Lets figure out whats best and go for it, lets make a change…lets make it best for us, our kids and our grandkids.
After all its us that have to do it..thats the talk we should be having
Surely he’s attacking Gerry Adams for being a key actor in perpetuating that thirty year conflict rather than attacking him for helping, eventually, to end it.
He = Diarmuid
Jenni sweatheart…we might be different in opinions, and it might be on line, but one Irishman to the other will never give up us his right to insult the other, regardless of the argument..now get real
Jenni… I don’t want a political organisation involved in 30+ years of terrorism controlling our future.
Brian… SF/PIRA have always been two sides of the same coin, same movement, same goals, massive overlapping memberships, armalite and ballotbox… same negotiators.
Hank… Gerry Adams is no Nelson Mandela. That is just farcical.
Ciarraioch, I hope to one day become a chartered surveyor (in-joke).
Diarmuid nobody won the war they both won peace.Your stuck in the past and you need to move on.Everybody is sick and tired of civil war politics diarmuid its not fixing this country._.
Leitrim…if you dont have the liathroidi to defend your opinion in public…then they deserve a red card…off the field for you.
I said he took PART in the negotiations. Nobody says he didn’t.Someone had to do it.I’m not tripping over anything.Nobody is suggesting he negotiated on BEHALF of any other faction other than the IRA .Someone had to relay the talks to them and convince them to end their war just as someone had to do the same on the loyalist side.Nothing illegal in negotiating on behalf of any party and certainly not when those negotiations are with a view to ending a conflict between two warring parties.Would you rather he didn’t involve himself ?
*Must try harder.
Diarmuid, we all know of the ties between SF and the Provos It’s not like you are shining a light on to something nobody ever knew about. What you don’t realize is that the Provos are gone but SF are still here. 18 years ago there was a ceasefire Diarmuid, 18 years which ironically is the first time that some people will get to vote in this election. People like you are looked upon as the dinosaurs of the past, relics from an era that is consigned to the history books.
18 year old voters couldn’t give a crap whether Adams was in the Provos or not, all they want to know is what the future holds and who is going get them a job.
Diarmuid, you dont want a political organisation involved…in our future….wtf.
Seriously Diarmuid..I had you up for much more a person….
Aw well… no words
John, did you notice that Diarmuid used the same reasoning (Thought he was just a go-between John?….”He was a lead PIRA negotiator throughout the worst of the PIRA atrocities.”) as Loyalist terrorists used in their justification for killing Pat Finucane and Rosemary Nelson. If they represented someone then they must be part of the same group.
John, I would have preferred if PIRA/SF realised their goal of a 32 country socialist republic was pure fantasy decades earlier. I would have preferred if PIRA/SF listened to the majority of their Nationalist/Catholic community and followed the SDLP into the political process decades earlier. I would have preferred if PIRA/SF stopped murdering innocent men, women and children decades earlier.
PIRA/SF want credit for not murdering people anymore? The arrogance.
Now Jeni Jeni Jeni..you speak like a Fine Gael TD…but tell me who writes the rules for the red cards ? …because it seems to be alot of Irish Tds would like to red card anybody who opposes their view. Mr Enda Kenny especially
As for the rest of your rant ‘ never judge a book by it’s cover’… I would have no problem blowing you off the field…. I am only playing with you at the minute … whats your view on the proposed increase in quota’s and taxation of shell fish farmers in the recent EEC directive that will hit every shell fish production unit in Ireland come 2017 ?
Diarmuid..fairly strong comments tonight..and you got away with most of them.. dont know how mind you…
Jenni… read my earlier comment, in full.
Brian… The Provos were involved in murders, bank robberies and criminality up to the mid-2000s, if not later. You have a funny understanding of “history”.
JENI…….I’m waiting ??????
I freaking knew i did not write this…for whatevers sake…can someone in the journal please look into it…i tried to change my avatar yesterday to the one i used originally but that was blocked.
But some other user cam parody me and thats ok
By the way Diarmuid..so was every other bugger during the campaign, including the Brits
I didnt write anything…but you LEITRIM are looking like no#1 suspect
What about the church one true voice it all happened under ff fg labour watch thats blood on there hands ye forget very easily i have to say._.
so what jenni is Jenni ?
Jeni, onmy sons grave, I am not the culprit….. something must be amiss
Ok Journal , you win. I like so many more of your contributors am now out.
You have access to my IP, so you can verify for yourselves.
I cant be bullied
A well written piece, fair play. Sums it up for me.
Ob feck off leeeeetrim
Diarmuid.If you think the SDLP were not pushing a socialist agenda much stronger than SF you obviously don’t know what the S in SDLP stands for. The reason they are no longer a political force is that they are slightly more to the left than Trotsky. Granted John Hume was a great influence in the peace process ,sitting on the nationalist side and running between the British and the IRA btw, but mother of god their politics are positively Marxist.
*And yet again you are deliberately confusing the actions of the IRA and Gerry Adams.
Just noticed jeni and leitrim lads same use of ……
Has anyone else noticed it. Hmmmmm.
I think….. someone….. has a fake……. account………
John, the SDLP and UUP vote collapsed in the early 2000s because there was a flight to the extremes. Each community put up their own extremists to counter the other’s. SF/PIRA is to Nationalism what the DUP/OO is to Unionism.
There is no scope for a moderate centre ground in a power-sharing model where both sides distrust each other.
SF and the DUP know this and play into their own factional rabble rousing to perpetuate it.
Diarmuid, if I have a funny understanding of history it is nothing compared to your lack of understanding of backing up your words with factual evidence.
Joe, please don’t compare me to that yolk.
Brian… Northern Bank robbery 2004, Robert McCartney murder 2005, Paul Quinn murder 2006…. let me know if I can be of any further assistance.
That abject hatred is eating you up inside man.
Diarmuid, what u say is an insult to those in n.i. that Adams stood up for. How dare you comment on the Civil War in N. I.? Sure Adams will retire in due course. Let’s keep the debate for our next election based on Roi issues. Neither Martin nor Kenny nor Burton have a leg to stand on regarding the Civil War in N.i.
There is nothing worse to suffer than a hatred, it eats you up from the inside out.
We are all adults here, all at different stages of life, and we’ve all seen different things. We all have different experiences.
Let’s agree to make it better going into the future.
Oh, and yes I am the same jenni, I had to change to my laptop.
Gregory… PIRA/SF murdered and maimed thousands of people, without a mandate and without the majority support of NI Nationalist/Catholics. They are a blight on the history of this great island.
Diarmuid, how many members of the PIRA were convicted of those crimes?
Brian… now you’re just taking the p1ss
Diarmuid.It’s not as if the SF/DUP are magically installed in the power sharing executive. That’s the set up the people of NI have democratically voted for. Parties like the SDLP and the Alliance party were seen as sitting on the fence and not really backing any side in the peace negotiations.The people elected those who they saw going to the wall for them.Of course in 50/60 years time there is a good possibility they will end up with their own version of our civil war politics but that is their choice. The war up there is hopefully over and for better or worse people have mostly decided to let the past go.From now on they are attacking parties on policies and not what individual members got up to during the conflict.If you disagree with SF in the south then attack them on policy.God knows its not difficult.To keep dragging the war up is keeping the blasted thing alive.What you are doing in arguing the way you are is no better than what the Orange Order or the fleg protesters or for that matter the dissident IRA are doing.Its trying to keep the the war fresh in the mind and the wounds open.That is good for nobody on the island.
John… PIRA/SF should be confined to the dustbin of history. That’s where they belong. They want to airbrush their vile history and dupe people into putting them into power in this State. People have a right to challenge their agenda.
Leitrim…that is a spooky comment to make,nonetheless you don’t spook me, you would need liathroidi to do that.
Diarmuid, you asked if you could be of assistance and I asked you a simple question. Care to answer it or would you prefer to do an Enda on it and deflect away from your lack of evidence or proof?
They murdered our economy too fill their own bank accounts. Is that not enough?
Diarmuid by that thinking FF should be history for their links to the IRA. FG defiantly should for their fascist past.The only ones left without a link to violence are something nobody wants anywhere near power.You have to let the past go at some point.You seem hung up on SF again trying to stir past links to the IRA . The IRA haven’t existed for nearly 20 years.There is no proof that any member of SF serving as a TD has ever been a member of the IRA.This is not fiction.Its been verified by respected diplomats of the international community. Its over.Put it to bed.You and the likes of FG’s Kenny have lost the argument and are now seen as trying to open old wounds for political gain rather than answering difficult questions about their current spell in government.
Sorry dair(mud) or whatever your name is, but pira did not bring violence too the streets of the north. They reacted to the violence on the streets of the north.
So that’s what it’s all about. The death knell of the SDLP. Say’s it all.
John, you’re wrong on so many levels. Look up Martin Ferris TD. The Provos were committing crimes, murders, bank robberies up the mid 2000s, that’s a decade ago.
Sinn Féin won a landslide election in 1918, they had a mandate from the Irish people. PIRA/SF never had a mandate for their terrorism.
I don’t want criminal terrorist thugs running my country. Your desire to give these people a clean slate because “the past is the past” is delusional. We know who these people are, their characters, their morals, their integrity and we should continue to utterly reject them.
That’s a hard one to fathom.
sorry Joe I am not jenni …. or not ….
I’m not mad about either of them but I would vote SF quicker than I would vote FF.
No political party shares my views so I’m just praying for a new one that be created that does but I doubt that’s going to happen anytime soon.
FairR
I know exactly how you feel.
Vote independent – an independent doesn’t have the power of the Party to hide their perversions of law …..
I feel as though If I vote an independent they are going to stab me in the back and align themselves in coalition with FG/Labour who I do not want to vote as FG/Lab will probably promise independents the world in return for coalition.
The problem is that with voting for an Independent is that there is no collective cohesive strategy. It’s every man or woman for themselves and their own areas and some of the people who are talking about running are one agenda candidates. Fair enough if you want someone to keep your local hospital open but where do they stand on Europe, finance, NI, equality and so on. The country at the moment is going into an election with no clear choice as to who should lead us forward.
@ Brian
I agree completely with that. The next election is going to be a disaster for Ireland and here is why, say the Government improves somewhat in polls etc and FG maybe reach 28%, Labour gets a great recovery to 12%. They are going to be relying on getting the 11% of Independents to run the country all with different opinions and wants in order to be in government. It will be insanely unstable as a government and I doubt much would get done.
(( I mean % as in seat count not % of vote))
FairR, most party members just follow the flow and tow the party line, too afraid to have an independent thought.
And in FG/Labour’s case tow their European whip crackers line too afraid to upset their masters so they too ditch any independent thoughts they might have.
FairR, recent Sindo poll Labour are most transfer friendly it seems and with PR system. …u could get a surprise although even w/ Fg still short a bit.
Go on Gerry ya mad thing
“mad” being the optimal word.
Well said Gerry. Well said.
No Diarmuid..I think it is quite clear who the mad ones are in the country, you need to look on your own doorstep and in and around the cabinate table for that
My mad cat resides on my doorstep and around my cabinate (sic) table.
But tell us..what turned the cat mad ???? I will give you all one guess…… answers please ;
first prize is a night in with Diarmuid and his poor phuckin cat
Diarmuid – Youuuuu muuust bbee ggeeetttting verrrrry tirrred – Yooouuuu haaaavvveeee beeeen Trollllling aaaallll daaayyy lloooonnnggg – How much does FG pay Trollers per hour Diarmuid?
Yes kerryman. Every person that is any Gersus Christ (of which there is a lot) must be an FG troll. Stands to reason.
Thank you spellchecker. Wrong again. Anti not any.
Need to work on your put-downs Ciarraioch, my little shinner troll, hit up that off licence of yours.
Micheal Martin uses a woman who died 40 years ago or so to legitimise he’s own political existence. Belly crawler that even FF grassroots have had enough of. His statement that there was no war in the North followed straight away by the war should never have happened is a measure of the hysterical mindset of a FF dynasty on its Last legs. Micheal is an advocate against abuse but keeps Information about it for years as he waits in the grass to throw it for political gain. The man has only one agenda and that’s himself. Gold plated pension I doubt he’s worth it.
Died or murdered?
Murdered by a terrorist group, the leader of its political wing wants to be Taoiseach.
Diarmuid it is totally unfair to use the historical deeds and choices of an individual to judge their character.
A typical troll’s cynical attempt to smear Adams by dredging up the recent past.
He is a totally different man now and has no recollection or connection to needless indulgence in brutality and thuggery. Time for you to move on and join the future.
As i said earlier Nelson Mandela was classed as a terrorist by the British government and the Irish government of the time and he went on to lead his country and gained the respect of all world leaders.
Nelson mandela said gerry Adams is the true king of Eire before he died
So Adams and Bin Laden and Mandela are all the same? Pathetic.
The Irish government never considered Mandela to be a terrorist btw.
Diarmuid, you are pathetic. What side were you on in the 50′s-60′s-70′s during the Civil War in Ni. Your comments are embarrassing even juvenile.
Gregoire, what “Civil War”?! Any what are you on about, the 1950s? Are your referring to Vietnam? If so, you’re right, I’ll never understand, I wasn’t there maaaaan.
The one up north did.
M. Martin turns my stomach just looking at him, reminds me of the snake in jungle book
imagine his poor Ma
Have you considered therapy?
Do ya wanna buy some eggs.. free range and all that..we can internet them down the phone lines for ya
…have you pay pal ?
Tell me something ..have I lost the plot here..does 1916 belong to SF, FG, FF and Labour or does it belong to the Irish people. It seems to me its being hijacked, left right and centre by people who want to make political gain of its back.
I tell you something, I’m sure if the heros of 1916 looked at those saluting them in the 2016 celebrations, it would make them sick….
Let’s do the foxtrot…
Ever since a former IRA Chief Of Staff died aboard a Nazi submarine in 1941 after months strategising with Hitler and was buried by the Germans with full Naval Honours, I can’t help but feel Sinn Fein have lost their way in Europe.
Hopefully he’ll be properly remembered by the party in 2016.
No…I will only stand on your feet.. I can’t dance..But I can sing……
‘people try to put us down ..talkin about our generation’
Onetruevoice
Who founded Fine Gael ? Just wondering did he have anything to do with nazi’s or did Fine Gael at the time welcome them in with open arms,?
OneTrueVoice if FF, FG and the rest of the anti SF brigade are to be believed the current SF was founded at the outbreak of the Troubles.
Sf was formed i think in 1905 which would make them the daddy of all partys and the one and only true republican party of ireland.There u go leitrim lad.
..Now ya have it Bobby..Vote Leitrim Lad, Justice , Equality and Free range eggs
OneTrueVoice, while you are on about the Germans how about a mention for Eoin O’Duffy? In 1943 he asked the German Ambassador if the Nazis would send over a plane for him to go to Berlin so that he could bring Irish Volunteers to fight alongside the Nazis on the Russian Front. Needless to say the Germans then, as they do now, treated O’Duffy and his future party FG as a joke.
Do ya wanna buy some eggs.. I can Paypal them down to ya…we have locked on to the internet up here …I will tie them on to the pole outside the house, according to the adverts, you’ll have them in seconds
Lads, Provisional Sinn Féin are a fraction of Official Sinn Féin, a pathetic little bunch of delusional armchair republicans, themselves the runt remnants of the Sinn Féin which was left behind when the vast majority of members moved to Cummann na nGaedhal and Fianna Fáil.
Same name. That is all they have in common with 1905 Sinn Féin.
Diarmuid sf is the first republican party of Ireland end of 1905 what yeat was ff formed or fg and wasn’t it true ff were a socialist party at the start
Year
In Kerry today we have been celebrating another similar great Irish hero of German Gun Running against The British – Roger Casement , who was captured by the British from a German submarine 99 years ago today – he had organised The Asgard Shipment of German guns into Howth earlier .
Casement , Frank Ryan , Martin Ferris – great similar connections in History !
They will be long remembered as Irish Patriots , when Enda , Bertie , iPhone Joan / Cowan and other FF / FG / Lab. are long forgotten !
Bobby… 1905 Sinn Féin supported a dual monarchy, not a republic, look it up.
Ciarraioch… how many people do you think would have been murdered if Martin Ferris’ 7 tonnes of explosives had landed successfully? Do you like all convicted terrorists? At least he was put away for a long time, like all common criminals.
Yo lads.. what about 2015 ..phuck 1905 and 1916
Nelson Mandella was a convicted criminal?
Oh and a terrorist
..and so was my Da during 3 months internment back in 70s,,, mind you he done fuc all as well except work and feed his family
Now…that was a funny comment
The do ya want to buy some eggs one…
JENNI IN FIARNESS,,,PHUCK OFF,,YOUR NUTS
will ya buy some of the eggs…they’re free range and if you have a pay pal, apparently he can pay for it, free …but is he really your pal…? if he is and me with big telegraph pole outside the house, jayus I can send them down now,…up for the breakfast..if your lost fer a bit of bacon I can rap them round the pole as well
Trust me, I wasn’t lookin in yer window..sure dont I live up in leitrim
Lets not forget the heroes of 1916. who died at the Somme……
Jenni my sweet, you have to realise laughter is the heart of all remedies, there is things in life you cant fix, alter or amend..I’m getting older and wiser these days, not so much annoyed or angry as in my past. and by god what a past I had growing up in N. Belfast…. so lighten up , laugh, nobody is watching you from the window…will ya buy the eggs ? thats what real life is about ..so RELAX your KAX chick
..and buy some eggs thru your pay pal and worry less about that what annoys you
the niggly thing Jenni is I have no eggs, but I do have pals not pay pals, real pals, no eggs and I love life
Still waiting on sin feins strategies in fairness, at least ones that weren’t written on the back of a beermat/thought up of by a child.
Don’t be so negative and invective.
If you see any strategies in fairness from FG/Lab/FF Shane will you gives us a heads up?
The inability of SF to admit that they might have to abandon some of their economic policies as the situation changes is probably their greatest weakness in that regard.I don’t think though that anyone buys that they could hold their current position and not compromise on at least some points.As the guys in Greece are finding out though compromise is a very dirty word.SF would do well to stop promising the sun moon and stars and take a more pragmatic view of the situation.That’s not to say that the main thrust of their policies can’t be implemented but they have to be realistic.For example to reform HSE , middle management jobs losses are inevitable.Even the abolishing of quangos like IW and the proper streamlining of the service will cause pain in certain sectors and Im not quite sure the left understand that. As for their immigration policies…… Oh dear.
Let’s get sinn fein in. If they fail, we have a mandate from the politicians of Ireland to turn up at dail eireann singing ‘lets go phucking mental, let’s go phucking mental la la la hoi!’…. and phucking wreck the gaf and burn it down with all their korrupt asses in it and start again.
Bit early for the gargle Joe?
No ya cant have that Joe…do you know what implications that would have on the pension rights, the political promises and the inherited rights of FG, FF and labour TDs…who do SF think they are, they can’t rock the establishment like that… Hang on..Gerry Adams false pedigree dog got our mongeral up the duff, and Mary Lou uses cheap tesco toothpaste….SO VOTE F,GAEL..F, FAIL OR LABOUR..in fact destroy your vote rather than vote Sinn Fein..because ya cant have that
Adams is only saying the same as those in Fianna Fail like Mary Hanafin are saying. FF are redundant and the sooner they join FG the better.
Gerry is getting quicker off the mark.
It only takes him 8 hours to gather his thoughts and formulate a response.
It took Mehole Martin 7 years.
It takes you all day formulating yours..and even then it’s a complete load of shite..perhpas you wouldn’t last 2 minutes in his shoes..by the way he’s dedicated your not…. keep actin the ballX OTV ..it’s funny
Peter she was murdered and she is dead lime so many others I could go into names but its not my place. The families have chosen peace is the bed way to honour their dead. They are the diplomats of that war. They move on we move on. The importance of one over others doesn’t sit well with people this case is closed or else their all open. As I said the families are the diplomats.
Unaccountable to score political points in ROI on the graves of those who died in the Civil War in Northern Ireland.
Unacceptable.
1641 was a long time ago Gregory…..
Punch and Judy politics , parish pump politics ,civil war politics ,gender politics , ffs we shouldn’t vote for any of the idiots .
Fianna Desperate Fail. Fear of another election failure.
Sinn Féin, like Fianna Fáil will increase austerity for families on €40k and eliminate it for part time workers and the idle. All in pursuit of this Utopian equality notion.
We are not equal. We should have equal opportunities for sure. And be equal under the law. But to expect equality of outcomes irrespective of training, education, effort or earnings is socialism which has failed anywhere it’s ever been tried.
SF, FF + the hard left loopers in AAA + PBP want poverty for all – except the leader comrades of course. They see the cake and want to divide it equally. In the end, the cake is eaten.
Center right govt should want to grow the cake and reward people who keep growing it so it’s sustainable + there’s always enough to go around
The socialist parties will promise you everything but will deliver only poverty and death. It has always been like this and always will be.
Vote for these people at your peril
I do not agree and I’d be happy to debate you about it if you want?
Too busy. Have to work now. (Work is where you give up your time to some endeavour so you get money in return and can support yourself instead of relying on handouts from the state that are pilfered from the pockets of working people)
i am a working and pay my taxes and i supert sinn féin and you are talking shit
Dan Breen: My Fight for Irish Freedom about to start on TG4. Dan joined FF and after when they decided to take their seats in the Dáil, Dan entered it with a gun in his belt.
Weird that Micheal Martin has never condemned such “terrorism” from an elected politician. It’s almost as though he’s a disgusting hypocrite.
Why didn’t Dan stay with the Anti-Treaty Sinn Féin, oh that’s right, because they were a joke.
jaysus , thats good,,,,highly intellectual, well thought out and balanced..Sorry Drmd who do you want me to vote for again ? on the strength of this higher intellect that you obviously possess
seems I ‘d rather be sick in a bucket
Mehole martin will be forgotten in time as will the rest of the dead beats in the dail
Kenny will be remembered for all the wrong reasons , one being the most inept fool to ever hold the office of irish leader
As for gerry adams , he will be remembered for centries to come as the peace maker and one of the greatest politicians of our time
Focal suas
Gerry Ad makes me very ill…he’s absolute sucm masquerading as a normal politician.
So…you’re saying he should join FG?
Care to elaborate, Joan? Any direct experience of what he is like, or has your entire knowledge of his life been dictated by what you were for years fed under Section 31 state media censorship and the sort of bile you read in the Sindo?
Joan, I concur.
Go on ya girl ya.. I get the same with Joan Burton.. I get nightmares thinking of her sticking her tongue down me throat..but I always wake up before she gets the chance,,,
so enlighten us all, whats yer problem with the bould Gerry..have ya got spinnned out with da spin & speal ?
Clearly you concur with yourself too as I see you’re still green thumbing every post you make lol. By the way, have you eaten today? Been to the loo? Had a bit of fresh air?
Honest question: Other than thejournal.ie, do you have ANYTHING else in your life?
Managed to do all those things TEG, thanks for asking. It’s useful being a high functioning multi-tasker. Can be trying at times continuously combatting the legion of shinner trolls on here (of which you are a member), but it is worth it.
(Green thumb)
Diarmuid..what a w’nkr
TELL ME JOAN ..ON A PERSONAL SENSE WOULD HE BE AS SICK AS JOHN DUGGAN IN YOUR EYES
I genuinely don’t know who John Duggan is?
Apparently DeVelera escaped a British Prison – those who see through the lie of history know that he was turned Bondholder friendly in there and let out to fool us ….
that’s all you need to know about the leadership of Fianna Fail and Sinn Fein and other parties for that matter …
The journal is really overdoing their bad language policy when you can’t post something like sucm without breaking said policy…ah here!
It is not really the 1916 Rising that is so relevant in terms of our State. It is the agreement to Partition in 1921. 1916 has an emotional resonance but the agreement to Partition is the reality resonance. The settlement in 1921 incomplete as it was is the reality today. The contradiction is that when we seek to celebrate the 1916 Rising as being the Ideological bedrock we will also be acknowledging that the 1921 settlement is the failure of that ideological bedrock to succeed in its purpose. This is difficult for all the political parties that in some form trace their emergence to the events of the twenty period from 1916 to 1936 in the Republic and North of Ireland. Interestingly the Labour Party whose existence began pre WW1 are the only Party who might not have ideological difficulties. In terms of the Proclamation there is unfinished business and each Party will seek to exploit this to their own political advantage in the present status quo. All in all an exercise in political hypocrisy. In truth we do not really know what it is about 1916 that we are meant to be celebrating and this is posing problems for all the political celebrants.
Up the I.R.A. Gerry…..Not
hi garda
Hugh, can I ask what the extremely amateur video of people standing to applause at the end of the article is about? I certainly can’t see what journalistic value it brings to the article? Thanks in advance
It really doesn’t materr what Gerry Adams says. He’s irrelevant to most in this republic….
Such a pity Sinn Fein and their pathetic spin of complete BS won’t go dwell in their own excrement. Oh let’s not forget the alleged abuse of minors, the abduction and murder of innocent people and the murder of members of an Garda Siochana, etc. Really, FG and FF are no saints but they’re only trotting after the Shinners. Time to get out of dodge if SF play any part in government in the next election.
Fuc me, i’m getn tierd of this..tell us all whats your definition of pathetic spin , because in your words I am starting to choke on the excrement that FG, FF and Labour seem to regurgitate each and every day
..tell me..do you still believe in Santa..because you seem very gullible.. take SF out of the equation for a second and tell me what damage FF, FG and Labour has done over the past 30 years in this country…neither the IRA or the Brits could match it. …so Foxtrot Oscar Brian.
All scrambling over the supposed kudos of 2016. Like pigs at the trough
Both Michael Martin and Gerry Adams should leave the stage. One was involved in an organisation that bombed the economy up North, and the other bombed the economy with different tactics down South.
“Bombed the economy up north”?
I’m guessing you also condemn the Easter Rising and the subsequent Old IRA campaign of the Tan War?
In fairness, the PIRA did repel any form of decent foreign investment, making the NI economy dependant on handouts from London.
Ironically, the PIRA made NI economically less independent than before.
Nationalists and Unionists in the North might stand a better chance if they bury their differences and tried to build a better and fairer society under an independent United Ulster. As it is they are all on the same road to nowhere and the next Westminster government will continue to squeeze them until there is widespread poverty like what is happening already on the UK mainland.
An Independent United Ulster? I’m surprised a Cavan man like yourself wishes to be partitioned from the rest of Ireland, I’m surprised you are content with the existing level of partition, and I’m surprised that you would refer to the UK as “the mainland”.
You turn my stomach, Chris.
F.F. has the charisma of a limp fried banana now…
These are supposed to be the opposition and keep the government in check instead all they contribute is mayhem and chaos having public spats it’s like Nero fiddling while Rome burns this country has huge problems and a government whose sole purpose in life is being the poster boys of austerity they should be focused on
public healthcare, education, social welfare whilst taxes, levies and stealth charges go up.
Also there is a brain drain that’s happening at the moment. Much like the 80s, lots of people are packing up and leaving Ireland – moving to England, Canada, New Zealand, Australia and all over the world. Lots of them are well educated, smart people – the very people that the Celtic Tiger was supposed to bring home and keep home. So if you really want to be public servants then remember you serve at our convenience and we need you to do better
hypocrisy of the leader of FF. refusal to acknowledge cronyism corruption and criminality not to mention instrumental they played apart in the destruction of the irish economy support the pension of former ministers of the same governments directly responsible for the unprecedented burden placed upon every irish citizen as FF reaip the benefit of those who gave support to hypocrisy of the FF martin you need to take a long look in the mirror and actually reflect what the constitution of ireland actually stood for #vinb
Sinn Fein, the party of truth!
We all know fianna fail are irrelevant,and any body that still supports them after causing so much misery in our country,well,frankly,I feel sorry for you,however,look at the coalition,labour just told blatent lies to the people,turned their backs on them,especially mr rabbit,fine gael,not much better with their lap dog subordination to europe,in summory,they will all tell you what they want you to hear to get your votes,just like sinn fein are doing now,but when they get in,they do a u turn,thats just the way it is folks.
Eeeep. Stay away from bogs and beaches for a while then Michéal.
Gerry Adams was never in the IRA honest!
Who is he joking or fooling?
He is a joke!
Leitrim Lad. Typical SF answer.Let’s just ignore the alleged abuse, murder, extortion and pretend it never happened. The answers that people want for the acts perpetrated by SF are not forthcoming.
Nobody’s not pretending..but kids these days have a great saying ‘shit happens’… it may not be your shit but it happens and it affects you .. its how you let it affect you is the secret
Que?
Actually both Adams and Martin are the same in that they are both desperately trying to get voters to forget recent history and their involvement in it.
I don’t buy Sinn Fein as the great peacemakers. In fact they were about 20 years behind everyone else in realising that bombing people isn’t very constructive and only came to the peace table when it was obvious that the “armed struggle” was on it’s last legs.
As for Martin. I’ve never rated him. He has this air of aloofness about him and he seems surprised and almost resentful every time someone brings up FF record when last in government. As if somehow he was only an observer rather than sitting at cabinet.
I think the get Gerry Brigade on here are great Craic but ye need to extend your vocabulary same old bs time and time again !!! Ye should form your own party “the have to hide behind fake accounts party” Next Ard Fheis in a Phone box in litrim, Roll on the GE that’ll sort it :)
Might be worth showing decent photos of the attendees from the other side of the hall. Looks like photos cropped to
I used respect them both….what a pair of morons……SF and FF so rubbish…..all we need is a shoe tax on kids shoes and FG will topple…..is it siteserv……..
We haven’t a decent states person in the country
Now Maire Ui Riain, thats a phuckin depressin comment…My Da use to know the father of a fella who was told to clean the cars in Dail car park, and they say he was a good sound and solid man .. ya see ya must always look for hope, no matter how hard it is
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