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MICHAEL NOONAN HAS said that the government is in a position to improve Irish people’s living standards every year from now until 2020.
The Finance Minister was in bullish form this morning as the government prepares to deliver its Spring Economic Statement in the Dáil later.
The statement will layout the roadmap for the government’s tax plans and spending measures over the next five years, with €2 billion in tax cuts and resumption of public pay talks, with a view to salary increases, expected.
The government has pledged to cut income tax and USC with a particular focus on low and middle income earners. People can expect tax cuts and spending increases totalling €1.5 billion in October’s Budget alone, Noonan told reporters.
“We lost a decade during the recession and the lost decade is over now and we’re starting to rebuild the economy and people will see an improvement in their living standards every year from now out to 2020,” he said.
“We have the resources to do that through providing better services but also by cutting income tax and USC rates for middle income and low income people in particular. But everybody who pays taxes will benefit from the reductions.”
He said that previous periods of economic growth had seen some “great years” typified by one of his predecessor’s Charlie McCreevy’s ‘when I have it, I spend it’ mantra during the early 2000s. But Noonan said the recovery periods from those “couple of good years have been very long”.
On the last occasion the ‘boom and bust’ was tried the result was a lost decade of economic growth and a decade of reduced living standards and hardship for an awful lot of the Irish people.”
Today’s statement, the first of its kind in Ireland, will set the tone for much of the political debate over the coming months in the run up to the general election, whuch must take place before the end of the first quarter of next year.
Opposition parties are taking a dim view of today’s events, with Fianna Fáil’s Spokesperson on Public Expenditure and Reform Seán Fleming saying the Spring Statement is “an extraordinary piece of electioneering”.
Fianna Fáil’s finance spokesperson Michael McGrath said the real measure of the statement will be how it impacts people struggling with their mortgages while paying very high rates of tax.
No sooner had the ink dried on the budget last October when the government started generating speculation and expectations about a Spring Statement … We will find out very shortly whether or not the Spring Statement will live up to the expectations which the government has set for itself.
McGrath noted that the government is required to submit a stability programme update to the European Commission. He said that in the past this has been done “without any fanfare” and questioned why the government has chosen to elevate it to “an entirely new level” in an election year.
Fleming went one step further, describing the statement as “an extraordinary piece of electioneering” and an opportunity for ministers to “congratulate other ministers and tell the public how great the ministers are doing”.
Sinn Féin’s junior finance spokesperson Peadar Tóibín said that over the last four years the government has created “a yawning gap” between people on low and high incomes.
He said, from what we’ve heard so far, the statement will led to “a further deepening of that inequality”.
“It’s ridiculous to talk about further tax breaks for those on upper incomes while we have a public service that is crashed,” Tóibín said.
He added that water charges and the local property tax are “regressive” and need to be abolished.
Public sector
As well as the attention paid to expected announcements on tax today, the public sector will be keeping an ear out for any signs that the government is prepared to entertain increases in pay in the public service.
Speaking to reporters this morning, Public Expenditure and Reform Minister Brendan Howlin said speculation about a possible 2 or 3 per cent increase in public sector salaries is “just wrong” and insisted no figures have been tabled as yet.
- additional reporting from Órla Ryan
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Abolish USC and pension levy…end of!!!
I kind of like the USC, not for it taking money off me but for the amount of tax brackets it has (4) this gives more scope to spread the burden out. our current tax has 2 brackets even though we live in a society that is divided by lower middle and higher. even our higher tax bracket kicks in below the average wage which is so wrong.
I would prefer to see 4 tax brackets but removing some of the burden from the very low paid. its a bit of a joke that someone on 35k will get taxed the same as someone on 100+k
We didn’t lose a decade…it was thrown away!
Judging by the face on Noonan there, I would say that he is receiving a BJ from Mehole Martin.
The original idea of USC was that everyone would pay some tax…but instead of say people on 10,000 paying 5% , people on 40k paying 20% and so on…they put the 5% etc on EVERYONE which meant that people who were paying the other rates effectively got a massive tax hike, that was always stupid.
It brings in 4b, every 1b in extra revenue we take in should go towards getting rid of it in phases, then when we get rid of that and are closer to a surplus we can start talking about higher spending, if you get rid of USC it will be a huge psychological boost to consumer spending and should generate more economic activity which always = more tax revenue in the end
Top Cat might have a better idea…….
Stick with this guy. No thanks rather take my chances with some one who actually wants to help the country and people. Not help their friends with more cronyism and jobs for the boys.
The only persons living standards that will increase by keeping Michael Noonan in office is Michael Noonan.
Sell outs
I think I heard about an increase of living standards before. I think it involved a five point plan too. Whatever happened to that?
And the ‘five point plan’ before that.Odd though that there’s so much cash suddenly available for a budget coming into an election.It couldn’t be a deliberate misreporting of returns over a few year that led to it ? Nah .Sure the government is as honest as the day is long.
All we have to do is forget the 208 billion in principal and interest we will be repaying over the next forty years and we can feel really good about how well we are doing.
Mr Noonan, as a general taxpayer, and you a public servant, I consider myself you’re employer. I have reviewed your application to retain the position of finance minister and have found you to be surplus to requirements based on the following conclusions. 1/You lied to get the job, 2/you under performed while holding a position of trust, 3/there is a conflict of interest in your role of finance minister since you are a bond holder, as a result of same, the decisions you made were of personal interest and certainly not in the interests of the state. Suffice to say you will not be in government after the next election.
Sorry Mikie, my vote is not for sale.
Fool you twice, boys and girls??
You’re some loon. Quit liking ur own posts ya fool
Jammin you sold your soul to SF long ago.
hey baz and sammy whats your parents gonna say or teachers for that matter when they find out your on this site instead of paying attention in class….no kids back to class and leave this forum to the grown ups
You’re – think it’s u who needs to go to class chum.
No thanks was lied to once by this shower.
Baz sometimes I think you’re the only one here who talks any sense.
Thanks Sammy same to you.
*Your, actually Baz. There is little in this world more pathetic than an illiterate grammar nazi!
Oh here we go again. ffs
@egg head. Look again ya fool. As u say – grammar nazi. At least get it right
To those of you who claim that your vote is not for sale, does that mean you will not vote for any party that makes outlandish promises regarding tax cuts and spending, or does that only apply to the incumbent government?
Scrap the USC Michael, Then we might just sit up and listen. Ask your boss in Europe would it be plausible.
Well if one believes the aren’t outlandish then yes that’s not a bought vote. I would vote for a party with values on the type of ireland they wish to see, not the party with the 1st priority of power and will break any promise to regain that power
“Sorry Mikie, my vote is not for sale”
Except if they offer to
1. abolish USC
2. Introduce a living wage to €11.30
3. Abolish water charges (and then set up a new water charges company)
4. Restore social welfare cuts – well half the cut (from the original amount in 2010)
5. Increase social welfare
6. Abolish property tax
But i won’t be susceptible to lies and pre-election promises.
Sammy and Baz were very quite on the Siteserv articles.Odd that.
John that’s because the siteserv situation is a complete non story.
So can we stop talking about it please?
Did you forget to switch user back to baz, spammy to complement yourself?
non story for those aligned to FG
In fact for those aligned to FG, it’s just another day at the office.
Ah yes, Hopeium, the drug peddled by the criminals who claim to be our public representatives.
The think-tanks of oligarchs and insiders create 1lb bags of Hopeium for everyone every few years especially near an election to keep our minds zombified by a falsely promised future.
And the cost of this drug?
Your life as a tax slave and servant of the state.
Priceless.
@ SY : “Except if they offer to….”
They can offer whatever they want, they have a track record of making false promises anyway so even if my vote WAS for sale, they cannot be trusted to follow through on their promises.
Sammy/baz, do you sit on your hand for a few minutes before agreeing with yourself, just so it feels like it’s someone else typing?
WJ — so why believe unbelievable promises from another dishonest political party?
Sammy, did you not notice that you replied to yourself from the same account instead of the Baz one? Haha, that is a poor mistake. How many times is it you have now done that, 3?
“Sammy AnMadra;
Thanks Sammy, same to you.”
Ooooopsie daisies.
Siteserv, may be a non story, but we know there are connections between the owner and government (Fine Gael) and that company was bought for a great price and then were given a government contract, it is worth independent review
@ sy “so why believe unbelievable promises from another dishonest political party?”
I won’t be voting for ANY party based on promises they are making me. I’ll be voting based on the change I want to see to our political system.
sammy baz has gone now he fuped up. off to another story to cause chaos
Sammy did you just thank yourself there?? Accounts mixed up again?
Well what change do you envisage this new party is going to actually bring?
Ah poor Sammy does not know if his Sammy or baz .
Poor Sammy /Baz has finally lost the plot. He thanks himself well done. One of the worst trolls to hit the journal. This is so funny.
Prove it then baz or are you coward like your failgail buddies jonny 5 and sammy the mut. All the same slime bags i reckon in fg headquarters
Pay attention in English class especially Baz.
We’re voting a bunch of liars and bullies out, which should send a strong message to the next government that we won’t accept anything less than honesty, hard work, and take tough decisions like, making public bodies like the hse more lean and cost effective, stamp out corruption, and push back on European politics.
Yet again we have Baz/Sammy thanking himself for a comment. Seriously, Journal, how much longer can this rubbish go on?
How’s this all going to be funded? I know let’s grow marijuana! We can sell to deranged dopes and export across the EU.
How’s this all going to be funded? I know let’s grow marijuana! We can sell to deranged dopes and export across the EU.
Hugh o connell tabloid headline
Are you surprised Kevin? The other day hugh posted an article with a video of RBB explaining how the left are getting their act together, with the headline ‘why can’t the left get their act together?’
Hugh is a fine example of an unbiased journalist, second only to Stephen Collins from the Irish Times.
#somemanforoneman
I got to the second paragraph and noticed he was missing a ‘t’ from the 6th word. Nuf said!
It’s true though “Were Jammin”. If you look at the raw facts (election results), you can see that the left has not gotten its act together. Labour, Greens, Sinn Fein – they all despise each other.
Forget about the what you do or don’t perceive as factual it’s the job of a journalist to remain impartial in their reporting. The wording on headlines he puts on left parties is a disgrace then he comes out with this tabloid level trash headlines for these articles.
It’s quite sad really because for the most part the journal is a great source for news.
The editor must be a tosser to let him get away with it.
Hugh is not a Journalist. He’s a canvasser. That’s it.
They have an Editor?
D.O’B?
This is the same Michael Noonan who laughed at turning Anglo prom notes into ‘our’ debt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x59Ksq0A6o
The people owe far more money to the banks than they owe to us.
I simply despair , I don’t believe for one second my living standards will improve, but I am quite certain his will !
well you see to give back something to front like public workers , which is desperately needed, all public servants will have to get pay rises. so politicians who are on extortionate amounts of money for the jobs they don’t do very well will get huge pay rises on the back of a couple of %. there standard of living will go up heaps compared to someone on 35k
This is the same noonan who hounded a sick women from Donegal who had contracted hepatitis from contaminated blood on her death bed, labelling the poor woman as parmiscus. ….the people of Limrick have short memories!
I love that no ones paying any attention to sammy.
sammy / baz / geroid. he’s off to another article as he’s been rumbled here.
so when the economy is trying to recover .. what do we do .. blow it all on sweeping pay rises to buy votes. That will end the Boom and Bust cycle for sure.
It like a child being offered one sweet now or wait 10 minutes and they can have two. The Child won’t wait.
We’ve learned our mistakes this time.
#FG2016
You need to reduce tax to continue economic growth. Its the left who would beef up social welfare and blow money by hiking taxes and reducing investment…
There was never any talk of ending the cycle. It’s never going to happen, at least until money becomes obsolete, so you may forget about it
They should reduce the lower income tax and increase the tax band while removing some from the lower end of the USC. USC hit the top earners more so we should keep it that way. start shifting some of the tax burden from the lower to the upper.
There should be a third band of income tax.
USC to be completely removed now!
possibly even a 4th Ronan. its very unfair with only 2 especially when the top tax comes in below the average industrial wage. . complete bonkers
Cowards and corruption is all you get with failgeal .
They’ll give with one hand and take with the other, just wait and watch.
Bang on Gggordon, its a joke.
They’d actually stand more chance of getting a vote from be if they said. “You’ve done the hard work, now we are going pump any surplus in to services”.
Voting buying corrupt, *** * ** ** * ** ******** ******
I think I’m going to pay the water charges, not because its fg labour it’s because, what I see from this state, is that most people live their lives now with the sense of intitlement, every fuchin thing is about me me me.
No one gives a f**k about anyone else but themselves, and this includes especially because they set the example “Politicians”.
I won’t be voting for any of them, the system is bollox, voting here has become a completely useless effort.
The idea of looking at what this politician is saying, and what this one is saying, is a waste of time, they are trying to programming you into believe anything they say, and your gona fall for it.
Yeah stick with Michael (the temporary tax that’s actually permanent) Noonan. Sure he’d never tell us a lie.
He’ll reduce income by 3 % and increase water tax to pay for it after election , I don’t trust you Noonan!!
IW will be frozen or scrapped, everybody knows it, just like property tax.
The property tax had neither been frozen nor scrapped
And wait for it the bedroom tax mark my words
Watch what he will do if FG get back in 2016, all taken back and water charges and property charges, added to your weekly payout, and now another charge on your car tyres, if Mr Kelly get his way! €3 per Tyre.
Election on the way and lets give the peasants some craps, they”ll thing we”er great and reelect us!!!!!!!!!!
Abolish property tax water tax usc and never mind about your budget give away you dont fool the irish any more and no to ttip and end your corruption._.
Any Craic in Sinn Fein HQ this morning bobby?
Pepper brooks the only craics i see are in fg and labour ho ha ha ha ha ._.
Any one looking for inside information to buy shares just call fg._.
How can The Journal produce such propaganda? Look at that title!!
FG are about to do the same as Liebour did before last election and promise us great things … We all know that after the election is over they will go back to looking after their pals and themselfs … Get them out !
I see the FG Trolls are out in force again today, did ye have last week off?
We had a new guy who messed up the shift schedule. No one covering for ages then everyone showing up at once.
They had too, they had no answers to the Siteserv mess. Or else Baz was actually doing something, yano, cause he controls all the accounts as we can see above where he is patting himself on the back from the same account.
Do you just do this for the craic? Cause to me it would seem like the only way someone would do it is if they were being paid. You are on here all hours of the day on numerous accounts which must take up a lot of your time. Would FG actually hire someone to do this on all articles relating to them? My guess, probably.
I would rather vote for bringing the Tories over from England than ever vote for FG/Labour again. I believe this will really hit home in the GE. They may have some die hard supporters who have voted all their lives for them but they would wanna hope they get through on first choice votes, because nobody will be transferring to FG.
Right, I’m outta food, come back tomorrow Baz and I will feed you some more.
Hi Gearoid – no one takes u seriously. 10 mins ago you thought Maria Cahill was Jean McConville.
I won’t be entertaining someone who has not one bit of a clue like you. At least Jammin and his loons know simple facts
Somebody says something negative about FG: Fair play – more power to you.
Somebody says something positive about FG: OH LOOK, A TROLL.
^ Shinner logic.
they you go again with your SF fetish. does every thing you say have to relate to SF. I have yet to find a post where you don’t mention or imply it. got a dirty secret you’d like to tell us?
Once again, Baz, you have got me mixed up with someone else, it was actually the comment after me who mentioned Jean, she didn’t even get them mixed up, as with all trolls, you made up your version of events and ran with it. But please, feel free to post the link to the article you are referring to earlier, I would love to see the evidence.
Believe me mate, I get no enjoyment out of arguing with the likes of you and Sammy (I mean you) and all the other FG supporters (I mean you, again), but if you are going to make stuff up about me then at least make up stuff that I can’t prove wrong.
Just for a laugh, here is the link to what I said – http://www.thejournal.ie/spring-economic-statement-2072387-Apr2015/
”Jesus Sammy will you people give it a rest about Maria Cahill, the poor woman is dead. What in God’s name has this woman got to do with this article?”
Now, give it a rest, mate.
Maria Cahill is not dead. Quit embarrassing yourself further.
You said it – ur words. Jean McConville is only mentioned by others to educate u.
Go back to class ya child. What age are u? 6?
No, I am actually in my 20′s, as anyone can see from my profile. Unlike you, I am not here to derail everything just so people can’t talk about how shite FG are, cause let’s be honest, that is why the trolls are here, oh and to try their best to stop people voting for SF.
Yes, you are correct, I had got mixed up and I got it wrong, I’ll admit that. The point of that comment was still the same, someone wrote a comment about siteserv and then you post a hashtag ”#MariaCahill”. That is just completely bad taste and all for what? To bring up SF again in another article that has nothing to do with them, so you can have a go? Why do you constantly do this? What is it about SF that you have to talk about them everywhere? I thought you didn’t even like them.
He is basically saying he can predict the future. 5 years into the future…get f**ked Noonan.
He can. It’s called planning.
really, how come they didn’t predict the crash then . they were planning for a soft landing from what I recall..
Bit late but….a plan made on presumptions about economic factors beyond your control isn’t a very good plan. Hardly a plan at all really. 12-16 months sure. Logic in that. 5 years? Electioneering at its very worst and most irresponsible. You think he believes what he says Neal?
Over one quarter of my take home pay taken by this shower, and they might give me back 2 percent. Not likely
you’re lucky according to my last months pay packet the difference between my gross and take home was 40%
Very apt picture of Michael , he’s laughing while he lies he enjoys it so much , ha ha Inda let’s throw the plebs some bread and give them a circus like the Romans used to do .
comments redacted.
This Government is a scam.
So.
Who’s stupid enough to vote for him?
Kind of have to now that muppets are voting for Sinn Fein. Can’t let the Shinners into power.
you’re voting SF.. haha.. knew it.
The lost decade is over 7 years after a recession began? Teach this fella some Japanese so he can understand what a lost decade means.
7 years would also point more to a depression than a recession
Except we’ve been out of recession for a while now. Not that I expect left wingers to have a basic grasp of economics… Most of you think that we’re still in recession.
johnny / SF fettish // we are only out of recession on paper. the way they calculate a recession is specifically design to make it real easy to come out of and very hard to get into . it’s a very simplistic formulae based on GDP / GNP that has been adopted to appease the markets, but i wouldn’t expect a secret SF support we to understand that. KISS
There are far more factors like over all debt , unemployment & inflation, imports & export, that can give a better view of how a county is doing. we are still up shit creek but at least we’ve stopped sinking. looking up from the gutter is still in the gutter though,
“we are only out of recession on paper”
You should read up on the definition of the word “recession” Denis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession
You’re basically annoyed that the word recession defines something that you don’t want it to define…..
great that a SF supporter can go to the internet to find out what a word means. but try looking up how they actually calculate a recession instead of what the word means
A traditional measure of an economic recession had been a decline in the gross domestic product (GDP) for two quarters or more in a row. The NBER broadened that measure to describe a significant decline in the GDP across all sectors of the economy, a contraction of the natural business cycle brought about by an overall decline in demand for goods and services. One problem with the way the NBER and economists measure recession is that it always trails what is actually happening; that is, by the time the experts gather and interpret all the data, the recession is well into its cycle. It would help, then, to know how to measure a recession by watching some key indicators.
Good old jonny 5 the failgael vermin pops his head from the sewer .
Is there somewhere we can submit a complaint about a “Journalist”? I’m sick to the gills of your shameless cheer-leading for these people, Hugh. It’s absolutely sickening and it shouldn’t be allowed from a so-called news outlet
http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/press-council-thejournal-digital-media-1491263-May2014/
This may account for the lack of unbiased (on govt-sensitive topics) in the last while.
Yeah, perhaps not a deliberate shift, but at the time I didn’t see any benefits for TJ. Still haven’t, besides access to politicians maybe, which comes with its own caveats and restrictions.
Yea Conn… Didn’t see you complaining about the articles that were negative of Fine Gael or positive of Sinn Fein… Funny how that goes, eh?
being negative about FG is probably as close to unbiased as you can get.
That’s something an uneducated Shinner would say.
Oops, my usage of the word “uneducated” was redundant.
where have you been lately?
I declined to mention your “positive of SF” angle because I’m not a shinner, but keep flogging that donkey, he’ll come back to life eventually.
“Johnny”, your opinions are as relevant as Enda’s until you sign in under your real name and stand over your drivel
he can’t sign in under his real name as we’ll all find out he’s a SF supporter
Stick with this guy and DOBs income will increase exponentially in the next 10 years.
Ireland a great little country to do……….
… corruption in.
The best in the world for that.
I notice people are very quick these days to throw that word around. Do you have any examples of political corruption in the current Government?
@Paul, do you read, watch or listen to any media. We were promised change and all we got was worse.
Baz–ur an idiot fg troll..SF is the party of the future along with some independents to clean up dirty politics.it has got a lot worse since fg got into power.these promises now mean sweet f all to the general public as they wont be fooled again
Party of the future? Dear lord I hope not. With their brand of giveaway economics the country would be ruined. I’m not exactly a huge fan of the current government but anything is better than SF (except maybe FF).
Oh and ‘clean up dirty politics’? If there is one party I wouldn’t trust to do that (especially given their past record) it would be SF.
Ahahaha… SF, the “party of the future”. Just goes to show you how delusional and uneducated your typical Journal reader is. SF would send the country back into the stone age.
johnny I’d say you’re a prime example of your typical journal reader. got any thing more substantial than your one line SF insults
Electioneering BALLIX!
Let’s see what comes from the site serve quango first
I’ll be honest, anyone that does something about that godawful USC has my support. I’ll get over 160 a year for water. God knows I pay far more than that per year in USC.
“anyone that does something about that godawful USC has my support.”
Anyone who gives me a free car has my vote.
I don’t think dogs get a vote. Or a driving license.
Agreed SMV. I’m far more concerned about the 000′s that have left my account over the years from USC than the 160 I’m expected to pay for a service provided.
Pedro. they’re probably not going to get rid of USC. and there is not a lot you can do about that. revenue have absolute power.. but there is no need to let them get away with another gravy train. so we should put a stop to IW as we have the power to. lets start with that message then they hopefully won’t try any more dirty tricks. lets fight the fights we can win. it will build confidence for us. it will also let the next shower coming in know that we won’t be lied to any more.
Not a member of FG – but I can’t help but thank FG & Labour for turning this country around. Good luck to the guys today.
With SF they’d tax us to the hilt and wreck the economy. Their blueprint is there for all to see in Greece & Syriza.
baz, you’ve been caught lying and using multiple fake accounts on more than one occasion, why should people believe you?
Baz I thought I was doing the Tuesday shift?
What did FG or Lab do to fix the economy exactly? I think they’ve done a pretty good job overall, but to credit politicians for cyclical economic trends is incredibly simplistic.
Jammin. I have one account on here. If you want to go out and troll and link me to accounts go ahead. U support violence to gardai and the break up of this state.
You got 3k red thumbs over that. Ur a fool and a Gobsh**e
WJ
So were you, not paying/registering for IW and you registered…..
Explain ronan….
Sorry Baz, hate to dissapoint you but FG/LAB are innocent bystanders in a global economic up-turn. In fact they stood in support as they watched the Troika torch the country. You Sir should be grateful to the anti austerity policies of our best trading partners, UK & USA.
@ Baz: “Jammin. I have one account on here.”
Baz being caught using multiple fake accounts…..
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/365187/baz-sometimes-i-youre-person-talks-sense-3636348/
Darren Kennedy
Apr 3rd 2015, 5:28 PM
Baz sometimes I think you’re the only person here who talks any sense.
Darren Kennedy
Apr 3rd 2015, 5:42 PM
Thanks Darren, same to you.
Darren Kennedy
Apr 3rd 2015, 5:42 PM
Whoops.
I was taking you seriously till I read your not a member of FG and then thanking the government for turning things around……………sorry Baz the people should be thanked for turning it around cos it wasn’t edna, gimpmore or old man noonan that put up with the tax hikes and wage cuts and service reductions so you will have to excuse me while I call your comment the biggest bucket of horse sh*t I have ever heard
WJ
What do you need explained?
Sometimes Jammy I think you are the only one who talks sense around here
Thanks Baz
Have u a copy & paste of your 3k red thumbs chum?
@ ronan : Your remark about registering for IW.
WJ see anyone can make comments like that.
Doesn’t mean I’m this Sammy fool.
WJ
You said you received your bill recently and took it to the protest, now if it was the second account of portraying u apologies but I don’t think it was.
“You said you received your bill recently and took it to the protest”
I didn’t actually.
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/242582/grand-ill-bringing-mock-bill-i-havent-received-3692072/
“Grand day for it! I’ll be bringing a mock bill, as I haven’t received the real one yet….”
Anything else you’d like to be wrong about cupcake?
Caught lying again Jammin. Ur some kid
Werejammin a few weeks ago you said it was ok to attack the Gardai and that any attacks on the gardai were justified as they weren’t recognised – or words to that effect.
I think we both know I didn’t say that, but please prove me wrong with the relevant link….
(3 different FG troll accounts on the same article trying to misrepresent me, I must be doing something right…..)
I don’t have the time to look it was in the artivcle where the protestor fell against the glass i think and plse for the record i have nothing to do with FG have never would never vote for them.
So, you make a fairly serious allegation (claiming I said it was ok to attack the Gardai) but haven’t got the time to back your allegation up?
It’s just as well you’re using a fake account because you’re wandering into the realm of libel right there.
Baz you have been caught out again talking to yourself on 2 accounts on this very thread! You really are a big saddo.
^^^^^^^
This is the Wee Jammin troll account. No way would the real Jammin forget getting 3k red thumbs after saying it’s ok to threaten gardai.
Just looking after u jammin chum.
Were Jammin
Apr 13th 2015, 11:00 PM # 389 69
I fully support non recognition of the free state forces .. Until of course SF are in government then all protest should be considered an attack on democracy and the peace process.
Were Jammin
Apr 13th 2015, 10:09 PM # 2278 638
They do actually, as long as they’re willing to be removed/arrested and possibly be done for trespassing. You are free to break any law as long as you are willing to take the consequences under the law.
What happened here was completely OTT. You can hear one of the protesters telling the guard that he’ll break the door, but it continued and then the glass broke injuring the woman (I think another woman sufferred a cut to her back from the falling glass, but cannot confirm)
I phrased the passage incorrectly it seems.
Sometimes Gearoid i think you are the only one who talks sense around here.
Cheers baz
Oh noes – Gearoid is me and everyone now will see that. Oh noes
@ SY : I noticed you didn’t post a link to those comments, which would allow people to click on the names and determine that it was two different accounts making those comments, one of which has since been banned for impersonating me.
Scraping the barrel there.
^^^^^^^^^
You talk some crap jammin.
Well if that is the case – i apologise and i was incorrect.. which one was fake though?
The one posted from the twitter account with the protected tweets. My twitter account is not restricted.
Fair play to you jammin! Wouldn’t have the patience to discuss any topic with these trolls! Ya reckon they/he (because they’re all the same person!) are getting paid by FG?
Would be worried for their mental state if they’re doing this just for the sake of it!
“Well if that is the case – i apologise and i was incorrect.. which one was fake though?”
Ha ha Yeates, caught out talking shite, trying to back peddle now. What was it you said about the fake Were Jammin accounts spamming the site? Ah that’s right “Comedy gold” you called it.
Actuall shinnerbot i was referring to werejammin/les behan.
Baz
If they promise to tax you and your ilk to the hilt they have my vote !
So because I pointed out your pathetic attempt to backtrack after been caught out, now you resort to calling me a shinnerbot and accuse me of being Were Jammin’s alter ego. Yates you really are sad cowardly individual aren’t you.
We’ve lied our butts off .. Now stick with us cause we stick to our promises. No thank you fool us once shame on you .. Fool us twice shame on us ..
Yes Jabba, I believe you….. https://youtu.be/G0wQ73QdY2g
Life style for most has deteriorated under FG/LAB. Fact. Only upper class benefited. Fact. You will be thrown out. Fact.
Is the USC lawful? Can anyone explain what this big chunk every month out of my pay packet is actually spent on? I assume banking debt and if so why no just call it “banking debt repayment”?
How about answering Jonathan Sugarmans questions?
Depfa bank
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKmr2u2P4OE&feature=youtu.be
That headline made be vomit a little in my own mouth
Whatever they cut in regards to USC or other taxes, Irish Water will still be there to take whatever extra cash you have off you. Get rid of Irish Water and I just might consider buying in to this fluff story.
If your Denis O’Brien
“The age of eligibility to vote should be reduced to 35 yrs.
No older voters should be left near a polling booth after the disaster of a political party private club whip system they repeatedly voted for and the resultant failed Irish society mess it has caused. 300,000 Irish thrown overboard since 2008!” Enough.
Jasus, I don’t know if my blood pressure can take all the two faced lying from the bankers party and their paid trolls, that we are going to subject too…. I might switch off till voting day.
I hope you Ultra Right Wing loonies in FG get what is coming to you.
Remove this government with a no in endas referendums, end ov.don’t give them another 13 months in office,they do not represent the people of this country so get rid of them.
With all the empty promises, you’d swear that their was an election coming.
The child might wait if it is spoken to like an adult and treated with respect. Of course, people will say no we are all just greedy and looking to get all we can in as short a time possible but it ain’t true. People are reasonable and will accept shortfalls now if we could believe in the system.
If you believe that you will believe anything, election rants have begun,
What is it with FG trolls and jean mc conville..sunday bloody sunday also happened..are they really that uneducated on the north and the conflict..it was a terrible period for both religions but especially catholics in the north..talk about using a dead woman to beat SF with with..smarten up
Sunday bloody Sunday obviously happened but nobody associated with that event is looking to get elected here.
It was british soldier’s who shot those innocent people why would they want to get elected here?
Lovely picture of Mr. Noonan right after he learned he had an assurance of board seats from Denis O’Brien when FG get booted out after the next election!
Election promises not worth the paper there written on … !!
Noonan needs to be removed he is so far removed from reality its almost comical. He is well past his sell by date and it shows! If you vote for this fecker and his overpaid pals you deserve what y ou get and it eont. Be prosperity!
…wont be prosperity!
Will be good to see have FF/SF/AAA turn it into a negative
Best finance minister in history of the state.
LOL
Best finance minister, if you are a boldholder, banker or know how to bribe.
Shhh, don’t tell:
1. The kids that had medical cards removed,
2. The elderly that had home help hours reduced.
3. The thousands on hospital waiting lists.
4. The thousand that had to leave the country.
5. The people being used as slave labour
etc, etc, etc
What state, the state we’re in, you mean or the pre political union state we are becoming?
Sorry you had your chance your lies and deceitful treatment of us is at an end sail away into the sunset you will never see inside the Dail again when we the people have our say
I wonder how much the Journal gets paid for the government propaganda
Yeah.. it will be Luke Christmas every day Noonan… We believe you…. Honestly we do. Gobsh*te
They really must think we have no memories brains or eyesight to se through them. Have a look at the roads……..there are holes you could lie down in. Hat about our hospitals? If there was so much money lying around wouldn’t you think they would be spending it? Bye bye FG and Labour.
How stupid do you think we are to fall for this, wasn’t the last 6 or 7 budgets done by the German government for us???
He should have been selling second hand cars.
I’d rather stick pins in my eyes than believe anything that creep says
I don’t like noonan, but let’s review our options.
Sinn Fein don’t know the difference between one million and one billion, or at least Gerry doesn’t. I wouldn’t trust Pearse to come back with the right change from a sweet shop.
Paul Murphy , Coppinger etc would nationalise our multinationals , like Venezuela or Zimbabwe . We would end up in the economic toilet like Greece.
Fianna Fáil bankrupted us .
Noonan is the best of a very poor lot.
And i suppose you belive in santa claus and the tooth fairy as well
how about monkeys from dublin zoo, cheaper and smarter then most in the dail and they will work for a decent wage plus a few bananas in bonuses
LOL.. and kenny thinks the minimum wage is 35k per year.. LMFAO and he said that on national tv.
Ray , Denis and Thomas . Serious question from a non FG , non lab , non troll, non paid etc etc etc
Who would you install as finance minister . Red thumb me all you want , but please answer that question…..
Someone with a proven track record in finance
Jimmy Jones
Constantin Gurdgiev , it would be nice to have some that knows what they are talking about for a change, not a muppet like Noonan.
People use to put relatives like him into asylums…
Gerard – You are hardly talking about the guy who has been talking down our economy since the crash on TV at every opportunity while setting up the St. Columbanus fund management in Switzerland . In my opinion it was in his interest that the Euro and Ireland failed. It seems like he was betting against us all along. Ireland didnt fail in the end . Hardly that guy for finance minister ?
Jimmy
He is an ” actual ” economist, what is noonan ?
Ireland has failed its people, the government has anyway.
I can see labour and fg getting voted back in again.
He is one of the best Finance Ministers in a very long time. People may say he is a this that and the other. But the man has a credibility that you could not buy. It will be a sad day if we end up with a sinn fein clown or a fianna fail clown. And for all the doubters just look at loopy Greece.
Our Finance Minister is in the German government, Noonan is just our poster boy?
Rossa O Brien
Yes, he stole from the poor and gave to the rich like no other minister before him.
I think I’ll vote NO.
Hopefully the rich will pay less. Because they are being screwed.
They’re only throwing us a carrot now so that we’ll vote for them later. It’ll be the same old thing for another 5 years.
We have so much money to give away that we are implementing new property tax, water tax, and a new tax on every home with a computer to raise your standards of living. Double speak at its best.
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