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Irish Water thinks it's better you don't know how many bills have been paid

Anti-austerity TD Paul Murphy has been thwarted in his efforts to find out how many bills have been paid.

IRISH WATER IS still refusing to disclose how many people have paid their water charges, citing commercial sensitivity and public interest as the reasons for doing so.

The controversial utility has been issuing its first bills to households across the country since the beginning of April.

It has confirmed that as of 18 May this year it has issued 1,282,067 bills to customers. Of these, a total of 788,831 are due for payment having been issued more than 14 days previous to 18 May.

The information was revealed to the Anti-Austerity Alliance TD Paul Murphy in response to a Freedom of Information Request.

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But the utility refused Murphy’s request for details on the number of bills paid as of 18 May, citing commercial sensitivity as well as concerns about the impact on Irish Water’s “ordinary course of business”.

He raised the matter in the Dáil earlier this month, prompting heated exchanges in which the Taoiseach told Murphy to “toddle along” to a meeting between Irish Water and Oireachtas members to find out how many bills had been paid.

When he was refused the information at that meeting, the Dublin South-West TD submitted an FOI.

In his response to Murphy, Noel Shannon, the FOI officer at Irish Water’s parent company Ervia, said:

Releasing information relating to bill payment rates even before all bills have been issued is clearly premature and would unduly impact upon Irish Water’s ordinary course of business.

Irish Water 1 Page 1 of Irish Water's response to Murphy

IW 2 Pages 2 and 3 of Irish Water's response to Murphy

Shannon also revealed that the public interest was best served by not releasing the information:

In my view the most important public interest at issue is that Irish Water be afforded the opportunity to operate as a high performing commercial utility company and to bring about reform of Ireland’s water sector, on behalf of all the Irish people.

“Therefore I believe that the public interest is best served in this instance by not releasing the information requested in the third and final part of your FOI request,” he said.

Murphy told TheJournal.ie today that he intended to appeal the ruling and described Irish Water’s response as “incredible”.

He said: “One reason Irish Water refuses to give the information is that it is commercially sensitive. This is simply not credible, given that Irish Water has a monopoly and is not in competition with any other company who could take advantage of the figures.

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“The most ridiculous reason given is the suggestion that the ‘public interest is best served … by not releasing the information….’  Irish Water and the government were very quick to give a running total on registration rates for water charges when they thought it suited them to do so.

Irish Water and the water charges has been the subject of massive public controversy and the Anti-Austerity Alliance and others have called for people to refuse to pay. It is self-evident, that it is in the interest of the public to see what level of people have paid.

He said it was likely that payment levels are so low that if published they would give confidence to others to refuse to pay.

Murphy added: “It also explains the government’s bluff, trying to scare people with the suggestion that they can introduce legislation to take the water charges from people’s income, when they simply legally will not be able to do so without court cases.”

Previously: Irish Water is refusing to say how many people have paid their bills

Read: Dáil suspended TWICE after Enda Kenny tells Socialist TDs ‘where to go’

 

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    Jul 30th 2014, 1:10 PM

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    Thanks for your honesty. Both of my parents passed away in the past couple of years…one to cancer, the other suddenly with a heart attack. We must move on…and move on we do. But we will be OK if we take our time and grieve well. Congratulations on making it through the first year after your loss, and may your grief continue to ease with time.

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    Jul 30th 2014, 4:28 PM

    I’d recommend leaving a journal behind and doing one or more video messages, if you know you’re dying or at risk of it. Its all in how they say their goodbyes to u and what tone that leaves.

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    I lost my aunt some years ago who was like a mother to me she died suddenly in st James hospital I was devastated, my whole world fell apart, then 5 years ago my dad died of lung cancer, he was my knight in shining armour, you never get over a loved one passing on you just learn to cope with it, and know they are happy and pain free..

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    Jul 30th 2014, 2:20 PM

    Thank you for sharing. ..yes life does go on and in time pain, loss, gets a bit easier to deal with and im sure your husband is loving every second of your new found happiness in life …

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    Jul 30th 2014, 7:09 PM

    Beautiful writing so lovely and gentle choice of language.

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    Jul 30th 2014, 1:24 PM

    nice but “jameson” as a baby boys name?

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    Oct 4th 2014, 7:42 PM

    Lost both parents to brain tumours; my dad in 1998 and my mum in 2010. After my own dad’s death, whatever my own mum did afterwards, I respected and supported everything she did that kept her happy. After her own death four years ago, it started a long journey to move forward. There was no denying that I changed in certain ways and it wasn’t easy. There were things that I didn’t have the same enjoyment for as I previously did and there was a reluctance to do some things as it just would have brought back memories. I also developed new routines that would keep me positive. In the last year, I started to once again enjoy some things I used to do, but doing it in a different way. I may never have forgotten but in my own ways, I’ve moved on. It’s a journey that requires a lot of patience and understanding and every day is a new day, every step taken is a goal and every bridge crossed is an extension of a journey. The only person who knows when they are ready is oneself.

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