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Civil servants union wants an extra four and a half days holidays

“The private sector people are looking at it with their jaws dropped.”

Updated 5.58pm

PLANS BY A union representing civil servants to request an extra four and a half days holiday have been called “madness”.

The Sunday Business Post reported yesterday that the Civil Public and Services Union (CPSU), which represents 13,000 lower paid civil servants, will take a claim to management over working hours.

The union has been given the go-ahead to fast-track arbitration over the removal fifteen years ago of “banking time”, an allowance granted in the past to workers to give them time to cash their pay cheques.

The allowance only applied to staff who had joined the civil service before 2000 and was abolished in 2010. By 2000, most staff were paid by bank transfer.

However, CPSU general secretary Eoin Ronayne told the paper that the union was hoping for workers to be given a once-off award of four and a half days leave.

He accepted that they may win and may lose, but said that “we want this dealt with”.

Speaking to TheJournal.ie this evening, Roynayne claimed the story had been blown out of proportion.

“The CPSU is in a position where we are trying to close out an outstanding claim that is three years old. This is an old story.”

Roynane added that this was merely “industrial relations housekeeping”.

The payment was given up by the union in exchange for two days Christmas leave which was under threat.

The union argues that the loss of the half-hour a week amounts to a 1.6% pay cut.

Madness

However, the plan has been called “madness” by the body which represents small and medium businesses.

Mark Fielding from ISME told TheJournal.ie that the issue was not about public sector versus private sector.

The private sector people are looking at it with their jaws dropped. You’d think we’re back to the Celtic Tiger.

“There are all of these anomalies in the public sector. This one needs to be met full on and the unions told to go do their jobs.

“It gives a bad impression of the public sector, which is wrong.

“It’s not public versus private sector. We want to see a good day’s work for a good day’s pay.”

In a statement this evening the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform said that “an outdated work practice” whereby a limited cohort of civil servants were able to work 15 minutes less on the day they were paid was abolished.

The CPSU had previously indicated that they wished to bring an issue associated with its abolition to binding arbitration in accordance with the terms of the Public Service Agreement on dispute resolution.

“It has been agreed that the matter will be given an early date before the Civil Service arbitration board given the issue raised by the CPSU is now 5 years old.  As this is a civil service sector specific matter, it is not germane to the draft Lansdowne Road Agreement.

DPER will be submitting a full defence to the arbitration board in this matter.”

- With reporting by Michelle Hennessy.

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    Mute jim ahh jim ahh jim
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    Nov 23rd 2012, 8:10 AM

    Sinn Feins recent move to the moral high ground in all events is amusing.

    Poacher wearing gamekeepers clothes, but still a poacher !

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 9:23 AM

    Lol. I remember being called a fuc&ing marxist in the 80′s by a FG TD, when I spoke out for abortion laws that reflected certain realities like the X case. Like most SF’ers I’m not in favour of on demand abortion, though quite a vocal and large group in the party are. The party position has been the same for a very long time and it is just as divisive internally as it is in wider society.

    On a lighter note I was stopped twice on the drive home from the meeting by the Guards, the same Guards and the car searched both times. One of them as much as apologized for it but I guess you can’t have reckless radicals trying to damage FG’s church based voter base.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 9:35 AM

    I find it hard to take Sinn Fein seriously, as a ‘legitimate political party’, BUT, I’m still waiting on FG and Labour to prove that my view of all parties, as showers of power-hungry and greedy gombeen gangsters is ill founded. Please prove me wrong Inda/ Eamo!

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 10:02 AM

    Kevin, I am afraid you will be waiting a long time for FFG/Labour to do the right thing… Don’t hold your breath.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 10:05 AM

    Kevin. Why would FG start doing the right thing at this stage. You can’t teach an old dog new tricks.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 10:37 AM

    At the risk of anyone taking me up the wrong way, I’m no FG supporter and I’m disillusioned with the labour party these days. However, in the interests of this country, I would like to see them get their collective act together. Otherwise we might see FF back in power. One cannot underestimate the general public.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 11:51 AM

    #Gary Fitzgerald,well done Gary your living the dream.Have a pint on me.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 8:23 AM

    Sinn Fein bashing once again. About the only ones calling for the government to be held responsible for their suppressive actions.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 8:39 AM

    The sooner Sinn Fein are runing the country the better and then the green shoots of recovery will begin.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 9:43 AM

    Complete insanity!!!

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 9:48 AM

    Insanity is paying bondholders billions that we don’t need to. BILLIONS more will follow, 16.9bn payment in march is it?! This is what’s crippling the country and will ultimately be FG downfall esp since there will never be a deal on bank debt. BILLIONS! That’s lots of 00000000000000000000000′s

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 9:55 AM

    Ryan. Don’t forget to remember that brutal John Bruton called for the Irish people to forgive the bankers and politicians for their crimes and sins, before anyone is held to account or made even pay a token punishment. John will be getting a lot of hampers from failed and crooked bankers and politicians this year. The likes of him really believe that their little golden circle is all that matters and that the rest of us should happily sacrifice our futures to protect them. John will get his big pay cheques and next big job irregardless, he doesn’t have to be a knob about it though.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 10:09 AM

    Agree daffodil all the while sending us postcards from Europe. The dirt goes deeper with fine geal all the way on the gravey train to Europe selling us out to bankers as they go. This will not end up good

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 11:36 AM

    ‘Shoots’ good choice of word.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 9:18 AM

    Have to say I agree with Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin here. This smacks of the typical kite flying this Government seem addicted to doing. Pathetic! It’s time to publish the full report so the people can make their minds up on the issue.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 9:33 AM

    It’s slightly worrying that Sinn Fein are the only party that are handling this correctly.

    As much as it pains me to consider them, all other parties have let me down consistently in the past few years. Right now I would be compelled to vote for them if there was an election in the morning.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 9:36 AM

    It’s easy to be seen to handle something correctly when your actions/words have no impact whatsoever on the situation.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 9:36 AM

    It is worrying that people still consider FF/FG to be viable options given their consistent failures and corruption over 90 years.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 9:43 AM

    Just because you are not in power does not mean you can not influence the debate. Look at the amount of councils across the country that have passed SF motions backing the right to Gay marriage. That changes public awareness, develops support for a position. Belfast, Dublin and Cork all backed it, all to massive news coverage and public awareness.

    Just because you are not in the driving seat doesn’t mean that you can make a difference, just get off your bum and get stuck in for what you believe in.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 9:50 AM

    Is it influencing things in a real way thigh or just providing populist soundbites on contentious issues? Genuine question.

    I do feel that if abortion wasn’t so topical these days all we would hear the SF hierarchy banging on about is through terrible awful atrocity that was the ruling before the children’s referendum.

    Of course there’s a need for opposition, but only when viable real alternatives are proposed and not just nit picking the issues of the week.

    SF are essentially waiting for FG to f*ck up as opposed to proposing real alternatives. (ps I don’t see the alternative budget as a real alternative)

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 9:52 AM

    And it is up to the electorate to put some effect behind those words. The crowd in governent now have shown umpteen times their words mean nothing.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 9:55 AM

    I completely agree M, I just really don’t see alternatives. Honesty from all corners would go a very long way

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 10:00 AM

    They were calling for things like this when it wasn’t popular, quiet the opposite in fact. They were out protesting in the 60′s against the Chattel law, where women were viewed legally as the property of their husbands, from every pulpit they condemned, called enemies of God and the family by FG and FF.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 10:08 AM

    I’m aware of that daffodil. I have a couple of mates in ogra an have seen them regularly over the years protesting about abortion. That was just an example I used that I hoped would show the lack of innovation at the moment from the opposition (not just SF). It’s the whole system, it’s set up to promote bickering and nit picking without innovation or alternatives

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 10:19 AM

    There are many in SF that want abortion on demand, ie widely available, they are still in the minority in SF. Most people in the party though are in favour of relaxing the law, clearing it for issues around the X case. SF have had the same position on this for a very long time, the party called for X case judgement to be legislated for in 92.

    Certainly the Leinster hse system needs to be radically overhauled, made more transparent and where opposition members have powers and responsibility that they are accountable for, but can make a positive impact as well. Govt.’s here are obsessed with centralizing and controlling more power. That leads to ossification of Govt.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 10:21 AM

    I agree, the other lot or toss pots had their chance, I’m not SF fan at all but, what’s the worst they can do :(

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 1:12 PM

    @ DaffodilDaze:
    ” It is worrying that people still consider FF/FG to be viable options ….”

    did you forget Labour ?

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 9:26 AM

    FF, FG and Lab. 90 years running (should that be ruining) the country and they still can’t get it right

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 9:40 AM

    Yes, but are they really ‘trying’ to get it right? I think not. Nice house, pension/s and your face on the Telly! Government jets, limos and fancy hotels. It’s tough going for these empty vessels who lack any ideas or imagination. Just going through the motions hoping the economy can sort itself out. Thinkings hard.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 10:31 AM

    I am not very happy with myself now for being one of the people, who actually voted for this new style Government , a Government that promised to be different, they were going to show leadership. Why are they dragging their feet on this issue, just deal with it. We the voting public made a decision 20 years ago and still the matter hasn’t been deal with.Hope the Government are not using this unfortunate case to keep the public’s foscus away from this upcoming budget. nb

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 8:49 AM

    It is disgraceful, how is it not??

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 10:25 AM

    Kite flying a report that was used as an excuse to vote against legislating for the x case back in april, legislation that the supreme court directed should have been brought in 20 years ago. These guys have been cute hoor politicians for so long that they’re no longer capable of realising how cretinous and low this looks.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 11:53 AM

    The Supreme Court didn’t say that. It said that it was not illegal for a woman to have an abortion if her life was in danger, including from suicide. It does not need to be legislated.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 10:25 AM

    What was the reason given for not publishing the report as soon as it was received?

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 10:58 AM

    Just taking a break from work to tell ye all that I will be voting for Sinn Fein from now on,FF,FG and Labour are useless.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 11:08 AM

    Good man Richard. They’ll be able to give you a couple of voting cards in the bar where you work at the next election but register anyone because that will give you one more.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 10:39 AM

    How many of you Sinn Feinn folk are holding down jobs and posting while at work or are you all on Social Welfare?

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 10:46 AM

    I’m not a SF supporter Garry but I just have to ask are you posting from work?

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 10:47 AM

    Ah yes – because ad hominem attacks on the electorate is the basis for an intelligent discussion. Do you have anything of substance to add to the conversation?

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 10:47 AM

    @Garry could ask you the same question,but seeing as it’s none of my business i don’t want to know.I assume you are familiar with the concept of “breaks” and shiftwork.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 10:48 AM

    ^^^^^
    There’s the problem with the country. Party before people. I presume you posted that from your constituency office!

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 10:52 AM

    Garry. I’m reaching out across the web to give you a bear hug. Stop being such an angry old goat, you’ll give your self a stroke.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 11:01 AM

    I’m sitting here in the Isle of Mann having a morning coffee overlooking the sea and a golf course. My total tax rate is twenty per cent and of course the Health Service is free. Now what was that you were saying about hugs and work breaks and Sinn Fein?

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 11:13 AM

    Gary, You really are a bitter, angry man. Look at that Sunshine, your imaginary golf course in the Isle of Man and thank God for a new day and a fresh start.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 12:41 PM

    ah Gary do you not know that most of the commenters here are ‘not SF supporters but will give them a chance in the next election’

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 9:49 PM

    That is their democratic right Snooch – people are entitled to vote for whoever they want. You on the other hand are a dictator.

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    Nov 23rd 2012, 11:20 PM

    But I thought SF weren’t into the ‘politics of condemnation’?

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