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Irish Army Lieutenant Marie Carrigy Sam Boal/Photocall Ireland

There are very, very few women in the Irish Army...

And none at all with rank more senior than lieutenant colonel.

THE DEFENCE FORCES currently have a gender imbalance of roughly 94% – 6% with males dominating.

No women whatsoever hold rank higher than that of lieutenant colonel in the Irish defence forces.

The information was released by defence minister Simon Coveney in response to a parliamentary question by Fine Gael TD for Kildare North Bernard Durkan.

The Government is committed to a policy of equal opportunity for men and women throughout the Defence Forces and to the full participation by women in all aspects of Defence Forces activities,” said Coveney in response to the question.

Women Numbers of women in the Irish Defence Forces Oireachtas.ie Oireachtas.ie

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Currently women make up just 6.1% of our Defence Forces’ strength.

This is not a new trend – the numbers of women in the Defence Forces have been relatively static since 2010 at least.

Tellingly, there are 48 men currently ranked at levels no enlisted women have managed to reach at present. 

Meanwhile, there are 125 men ranked as lieutenant colonel – with just three women sharing the same rank, or 2.3%, an enormous imbalance.

And the figures appear to be getting even worse – the 563 women mentioned above as at end 2014 has actually decreased to 553 as at end April 2015.

coveney Simon Coveney

The overall strength of the defence forces as such currently stands at 9,112, a deal short of the agreed stabilised strength of 9,500.

“It is intended that targeted recruitment will continue in 2015 and subsequent years to allow the Government meet this commitment in relation to the stabilised strength,” said Coveney.

Regarding the gender imbalance within the Defence Forces Coveney said:

I believe that a key issue in recruiting and retaining female personnel lies in societal perception and attitudes to female soldiers and officers. I am hopeful that through continued engagement and communication, this perception will change over time.

A number of specific initiatives have thus been implemented to increase ‘female participation’ in the Defence Forces:

  • The adjustment of physical standards for female applicants
  • Special consideration being paid to women as a target group for recruitment
  • A balanced composition between men and women on recruitment and selection boards
  • All promotions and career courses being open to both sexes on merit
  • A Gender Advisor being appointed to promote gender equality policies and training within the Defence Forces

Whether or not those initiatives can make any difference remains to be seen.

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    Mute Barry Looney
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    Jun 21st 2015, 8:57 AM

    Surprise surprise women don’t want to be soldiers

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    Mute Lily
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    Jun 21st 2015, 10:11 AM

    I would have jumped at the chance as a teen unfortunately I put my parents pacifist beliefs before my own desires. My daughter too wanted to join the army until I told her they won’t accept her as she is diabetic.

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    Mute Neil bradwell
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    Jun 21st 2015, 9:30 AM

    I presume the next news headline will be, the hse to hire a gender equality advisor due to there being more females in nursing than men!

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    Mute Liam Kidney
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    Jun 21st 2015, 11:22 AM

    Or primary school teaching. Such bs. Maybe women don’t want to be solders in the same number.

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    Mute Tom Rooney
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    Jun 21st 2015, 12:13 PM

    Tom Rooney
    As a man who has served in the defence forces and as someone who has seen first hand how women struggle with all the physical aspects of military life I believe it’s ridiculous to pretend men and women are totally equal in all areas when biology proves we are not.

    It’s also unfair that women in the defence forces don’t have to meet the same physical standards as men. Women have lower pass times in physical tests, women have modified push ups (easier) this is the military we are talking about, where you’re supposed to be prepared for combat situations. So before we talk about equality in promotion within the defence forces lets have equality of standards

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    Mute Francis Devenney
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    Jun 21st 2015, 1:00 PM

    The American Army Rangers have just lowered their physical standards to allow women to pass. This was a selection process that only 3% of trained soldiers who thought they were good enough to try for it could pass and now it has an easy pass section for women. Whatever about other walks of life there should be no lessening of standards for The military, the police, the fire service, the coast guard etc. If I need to be dragged from a burning building I don’t give a damn about the gender of the person doing it, I do however want to know they are capable of doing it. This is true equality, here is the job, here are the standards if you meet them you’re in if you don’t you’re out.

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    Mute Foxtrot Hotel
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    Jun 21st 2015, 6:39 PM

    Females can already try out for the Irish Rangers.

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    Mute Nicholas
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    Jun 21st 2015, 7:11 PM

    “The American Army Rangers have just lowered their physical standards to allow women to pass.”
    Not true……………………….http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/no-female-army-ranger-trainees-advance-women-combat

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    Jun 21st 2015, 9:42 AM

    Why is this written as though it would be per se a good thing to have a half female army? I’ve never seen such an article in relation to teaching or nursing

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    Jun 21st 2015, 1:36 PM

    Have a look at some of the stories coming out of the FDNY to see how lowering standards is putting lives at stake just so some crusties can get that warm fuzzy feeling.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 9:35 AM

    I’m surprised the story wasn’t about the lack of LGBT or traveller soldiers

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    Jun 21st 2015, 9:37 AM

    I’m guessing lesbians are well represented in the girl’s barracks.

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    Mute Malachy
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    Jun 21st 2015, 10:45 AM

    Not much women collecting bins either!!! Disgraceful this gender inequality.

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    Mute Francis Devenney
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    Jun 21st 2015, 1:37 PM

    Less than 15% of homeless are women! Do we need a campaign to get more women out on the streets?

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    Mute David G
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    Jun 21st 2015, 9:01 AM

    Also in news the Irish women’s council are quiet on the matter. Surprise, surprise

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    Mute Whocarestoday
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    Jun 21st 2015, 10:35 AM

    Ah yes, here we go again.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 9:06 AM

    “Equal opportunities”…what a joke. A Private or Corporal could be an Engineer and be left sweeping the floor and never be given a job suitable of their qualifications. Gender is not the descriminative factor in the Defence Forces, rank is. Opportunities are kept strictly for Officers, male or female.

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    Mute Matt Donovan
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    Jun 21st 2015, 9:12 AM

    This sounds all too familiar. perhaps you can elaborate?

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    Mute Thomas Aquinas
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    Jun 21st 2015, 9:20 AM

    And it is impossible for an enlisted woman to become an officer?

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    Mute Declan Mannix
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    Jun 21st 2015, 10:12 AM

    No. not impossible. happens occasionally.

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    Mute Lorem Ipsum
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    Jun 21st 2015, 10:13 AM

    It’s also untrue that “opportunities” are kept strictly for officers

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    Jun 21st 2015, 12:21 PM

    @lorem ipsum excuse me. You are wrong. Graduate opportunities are kept for Officers. If you are not an officer, you will not get or be considered for any graduate job, nor will they commission you to do that either. Ombidswomans report for 2011 has a great case. Also two serving members enlisted who are aeronautical engineers with two vacancies in front of them that they cannot fill (even thought the df does not have officers to fill them). why is this you may ask? Read ombudswomans report yourself.

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    Mute Paddy Obrien
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    Jun 21st 2015, 3:34 PM

    There’s no such title as ombidswomam.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 9:15 AM

    Most army’s around the world have a lot more men than women it’s just a fact.when troops go overseas I am sure it’s a lot harder for women to leave the kids for 6 months so a lot of women don’t join up for that reason.

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    Mute Patrick Agnew
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    Jun 21st 2015, 10:14 AM

    They have exactly the same opportunities as men. They are also paid the same wage. However, a lot of women in the Defence Forces are quick to play the “I’m a woman” card when it suits them.

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    Mute Paddy Obrien
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    Jun 21st 2015, 3:41 PM

    @patrick, I’ve seen a platoon of soldiers running on gormanston beach all male bar two female, the females were playing the ..we’re women card..so were allowed walk while the males done the running,

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    Jun 21st 2015, 8:57 AM

    When the day comes that I have to stand up and defend my country I know who I want at my back.
    That’s right.
    My boys.

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    Mute mary carey
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    Jun 21st 2015, 9:18 AM

    I don’t think anyone would have your back; man, woman, dog, goat, sheep….

    I’d say ud b on ur own!

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    Jun 21st 2015, 9:37 AM

    Dogs serve a useful purpose in war.
    Goats serve as military mascots.
    But sheep?
    Cmon, why would anyone bring a sheep to the battlefield?

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    Jun 21st 2015, 10:04 AM

    Every soldier is a sheep…. Following orders for life……

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    Jun 21st 2015, 10:04 AM

    Noah, you want men at you back? Fair enough.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 10:14 AM

    @noah. If you want boys at your back that’s a whole different conversation!!

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    Mute Mick Bacon
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    Jun 21st 2015, 11:23 AM

    To eat it .

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    Jun 21st 2015, 2:33 PM

    You think about food a lot Bacon?

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    Jun 21st 2015, 4:52 PM

    Sure do ,I’m a right greedy basta.d.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 9:19 AM

    They should be at home cooking, cleaning and minding the kids anyway! I’m only messing…..I’ll get the ball rolling and red thumb myself lol

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    Mute potty o shea
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    Jun 21st 2015, 8:58 AM

    I have not seen any ads recruiting for the Irish army for a long time. They will definitely have to improve their recruiting advertising a lot more if the want women to join up!

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    Jun 21st 2015, 12:39 PM

    They communicate recruitment campaigns telepathically to men only. Seriously though, they anounce application dates in news papers, social media, publicjobs.ie, abs on their own website. Anyone serious about joining should have the cop on to keep an eye on those things.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 10:11 AM

    “The overall strength of the defence forces as such currently stands at 9,112″ Why would such a tiny insignificant army need so many high ranking officers?

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    Jun 21st 2015, 10:15 AM

    Numbers aren’t everything, Nicholas. Your army was enormous and still got routed by a much smaller force.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 10:57 AM

    The Irish Army is so small it could be routed by a crowd of drunken Millwall supporters.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 11:39 AM

    3 Lieutenant Colonels, 31 Commandants, 64 Captains and 40 Lieutenants (and that’s just the women) in an army of less than 10,000. Absolutely ridiculous and a complete waste of money

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    Jun 21st 2015, 11:56 AM

    Probably whty the govt. hired Securicor to guard the barracks that were up for sale.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 11:57 AM

    It’s a tactic, normally you try to identify and take out the officers, but the joke is on our enemies because half the army are officers.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 12:46 PM

    4 comments, none of which are true, all from the same person. Looks like I’ve touched a nerve.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 4:08 PM

    @nicholas, the army should be dispanded, it’s a complete and utter waste of money, it serves the nation no purpose it’s an officers outfit and has been since it was set up, someone said during ww2 that the Irish army wouldn’t be able to repel an invasion of seagulls and ditto today. Axe it I say.

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    Mute Mick Bacon
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    Jun 21st 2015, 9:00 AM

    The first bullet point and last bullet point of the last paragraph sum it up .

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    Mute Mick Bacon
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    Jun 21st 2015, 10:10 AM

    The dilution of traditional masculine roles in society is the feminist goal not equality .
    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CA8QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnypost.com%2F2015%2F05%2F05%2Ffdnys-unfit-the-perils-of-pushing-women-into-firefighting%2F&ei=F36GVfWjB-PZ7gaMxL7QCw&usg=AFQjCNEon35MrKxlhD91s7Dq-B6UDcjcKQ&sig2=2GMjYqTMNFSk8XAWXkAM7g

    All this recruit had to do was express a wish to be a firefighter and her wish was granted .
    Imagine having passed the rigorous training at expending great mental and physical effort only to find yourself in life or death situation with this woman who was given a free pass .

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    Jul 2nd 2015, 1:52 PM

    I just read that story and am amazed at this statement, the physicality of the marine core training should be considered unnecessary, as it is more about initiation and should be lowered to enable females to join.

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    Mute Brian Ward
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    Jun 21st 2015, 9:56 AM

    I know a female soldier who serves in the Lebanon and enjoys her job so much that she volunteered to stay on and do a second tour of duty. Shes on the border with Syria at the moment and if the Jihadis have any sense the wouldn’t want to mess with the same lady!

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    Jun 21st 2015, 12:44 PM

    A former miss Ireland deserted while on guard duty in Aiken Barracks. She never faced any charges either. It must be tough being so persecuted.

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    Mute Fisics
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    Jun 21st 2015, 10:02 AM

    Any woman out there interested in becoming a soldier could be a general within the first year. The gender quota says it should happen.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 9:17 AM

    Wouldn’t be anything to do with widespread misogyny and sexual harassment ?

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    Mute David G
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    Jun 21st 2015, 9:39 AM

    Misogyny? Any evidence?

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    Jun 21st 2015, 9:41 AM

    No, it wouldn’t.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 1:24 PM

    @Colm. Do you know what A7 is?

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    Jun 21st 2015, 10:59 PM

    Not everyone has had to sit through 3 lectures a week on the subject.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 9:17 AM

    The Irish army should be abolished in my opinion, any time I seen them they were very unfit looking.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 9:34 AM

    Fit blokes in uniform?
    OK, I see where you’re going with this.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 9:40 AM

    That are the fittest lads in the country by far.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 9:42 AM

    That’s well grounded, informed commentary on the entire organisation. Glad you didn’t make any sweeping generalisations.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 11:08 AM

    I’d say you were one of those failures Denise.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 11:25 AM

    Dont worry about it she can try again now the entry levels will be lowered.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 3:05 PM

    ‘I seen’ does not make sense.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 10:13 AM

    There are very few people in general in the Irish army, hardly worth an article.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 9:53 AM

    This just means women are more intelligent than men. Who would want to sign up to be a pawn on the international chess game?

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    Jun 21st 2015, 5:32 PM

    Its interesting. Anyone else think its interesting how this mindset is now infesting everything in the modern world. Anything that deviates from a 50:50 gender “balance” is considered a problem, but only IF the job is seen as “worthwhile” to women. So there’s no problem that women are underrepresented among refuse collectors for example. Equally there’s no problem if women are massively over-represented in nursing or primary school teaching, but apparently it is a big problem if men are over-represented as surgeons or professors. Seems to be an interesting class dimension to it. There also seems to be no allowance whatsoever for the possibility that one gender might have a preference for a certain occupation on average. For example, all this talk about “women in tech”. Well if only 20% of computer science graduates at university are women, why would they expect to see that more than 20% of workers in the industry are female? There’s just no logic to it and now we even see politicians buying into this as a “problem”. I despair.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 7:33 PM

    If a competent woman can earn a place on merit then crack on otherwise it’s another attempt at social engineering by campaigners who probably have no concept of what a lieutenant-colonel is. It’s not that long ago since women weren’t allowed into the army. The author fails to realise just how long it takes to get to that level.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 9:25 AM

    But the men are all deaf and the women could not lift the stretchers onto the new ambulance s. Sure God love them. The gray haired army are stretched to breaking point.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 8:26 PM

    The army is only 6% women, yet people seem to think they should hold a higher proportion of the upper ranks than that simply because they are women? All that leads to in resentment amongst the more qualified male candidates who know they weren’t promoted just so a quota could be filled. The military should be the ultimate meritocracy, where everyone should have to reach the same standards.

    The same goes for recruitment. Lessening of standards for women means weaker, slower soldiers that are still expected to train alongside men who are already faster, stronger and tougher. Do we really want second rate soldiers just so a quota is filled to placate the PC brigade? I know I’d rather be going overseas with the toughest bunch of comrades possible, not quota fillers.

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    Mute Paul Whelan
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    Jun 21st 2015, 12:24 PM

    Why dont they look at the Strength of the Officer Corps ratio: 1 Officer to 5 Other Ranks ?

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    Jun 21st 2015, 10:28 AM

    Probably a dude mascarading as a female as usual.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 11:54 AM

    I’d say promotion prospects are not bad given there is one senior commissioned officer for every 2 privates.

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    Jun 21st 2015, 12:47 PM

    Things don’t become true just because you repeat them, sweetheart

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    Mute Conor Power
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    Jun 21st 2015, 3:07 PM

    Are you saying the figures contained in the article incorrect or are you just really bad at maths.

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    Mute Chris
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    Jun 21st 2015, 7:32 PM

    Firstly, Lieutenant Colonel is an incredible achievement for anyone to make in their army career.

    It’s a disgrace that there is any gender discrimination going at all in the defence force(positive or negative). It should be best person for the job in any career where lives are dependent on you.

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    Mute EoinCarraigD
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    Jun 21st 2015, 2:27 PM

    Anyone who joins the army in a time of peace needs their head checked!

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    Jun 22nd 2015, 5:32 PM

    maybe most women dont want to be in the amry?….

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