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AN ORGANISATION REPRESENTING Muslims in Ireland is to hold a protest on O’Connell Street in Dublin to condemn Islamic State.
On Sunday, 26 July people will gather to participate in Not in our Name – a demonstration aimed at showing “hatred and violence can never be justified in the name of Islam”.
Shaykh Dr Muhammad Umar Al-Qadri, founder of the Irish Muslim Peace and Integration Council (IMPIC), said: “Islamophobia is increasing rapidly due to the atrocities of terrorists.”
Islamic State claimed responsibility for the massacre in which 38 people, including three Irish people – Lorna Carty and Larry and Martina Hayes, were shot dead at the beach resort of Sousse in Tunisia last Friday.
A two-minute silence in honour of the victims will take place at the demonstration.
“Indiscriminate slaughter, public beheading and systematic starvation are all features of the murderous campaign by the so-called Islamic State. All these are absolutely against the teachings of Islam. Most victims of this murderous campaign are Muslims.
It would be terribly wrong that in the face of the so-called Islamic State atrocities if we as Muslims remain silent at how Islam is wrongfully defined as a barbaric religion by these terrorists.
Al-Qadri noted that Muslims marched against the caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad in Dublin few years ago.
“The terrorists are damaging Islam and Muslims far more than the caricatures … If we can march against caricatures that do not do our faith any damage, then why can we not protest against ISIS? Our silence may wrongfully be interpreted by some as silent approval of ISIS.”
More information on the demonstration can be found here.
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Will the halawa sisters be there along with their father?
That didn’t take long.
Never does here stephen
I think we all know the answer to that one .
I think they have their hands full keeping an eye on what the Islamists got up to in the Siani this week. http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0PB3VJ20150701
It will be interesting to see the numbers
This man is from a Sufi school of Islam.
A minority school of Islam that stresses enlightenment and spirituality.
Sadly for Islam they are considered heretics by many Sunni’s because they have strayed from Mohammed’s teachings, they owe a lot to earlier meditative traditions from Christian monasteries to Zorastrians and Buddhists.
As someone who is an Islamophobe (it is rational to dislike such a regressive and brutal faith) I admire and respect the Sufi tradition as a very beautiful one that has much to offer the world.
If Sufism was the dominant school of Islam, what a different faith it would be, a faith following the same path.
“Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.” Rumi.
Needless to say this cleric is not that popular with other Mosques in Ireland.
Fair play to the Sufis.
” Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing,
there is a field. I’ll meet you there.
When the soul lies down in that grass,
the world is too full to talk about.
Ideas, language, even the phrase “each other” doesn’t make any sense.”
- Mevlana Jelaluddin Rumi.
8 comments so far and not 1 praising our muslim community for standing side by side with their adoptive country. Im Irish and glad that our muslim community our marching against this ideoligy. A big thankyou from me…
Agreed.
agreed viking
Our ‘Muslim community’ is fortunately still relatively small. Although they seem to have no shortage of talking heads such as the good Sheik.
It’s revealing that the Polish community have no need for similar self appointed talking heads to lobby against Polishophobia, and other calamities that afflict our resident Polish community.
Yup 100% agree. I think most Muslims are peace loving ppl. All we see in d news is the lunatic fringe. Remember the demonisation of the irsh in the 70s and 80s in England?
Scipio if you’re honest with yourself you know that there is nothing that the Muslim community can do to reduce your Islamaphobia. You call for them to condemn terrorism and they do it. But inevitably you see it as a product of their small size or Taqiya.
The ironic thing is the people on here giving out about muslims in general, are the ones who if they were muslim would be giving out about all christians, if sunni, all shia, etc.
The intolerant gene is not native to any culture or ethnicity.
Yet some of our Muslim community support this group by joining them and others like the darlings of the media and very vocal Halawas support regressive regimes like the Muslim brotherhood. Don’t forget that trinity Muslim law lecturer who “il n’est pas Charlie” and warned our free press about reprinting Mohammad cartoons. It’s a stupid backward religion that needs to be condemned to the history books like all religions.
I’ll praise them!
Well Done! Absolutely fantastic to see this side of Islam. It’s not often enough we see it.
I am very supportive of this. I think all religions are ridiculous but they have to see that for themselves but if they protest that this is not in their name I will certainly support them.
@Joe Doherty et al. According to Al Jazeera upwards of 80% of peopled polled said they support ISIS. Now that’s some lunatic fringe!
-Al Jazeera Poll on ISIS-
—”ISIS—-
26 May 2015 3:31PM
‘Do you support ISIS victories in Iraq and Syria?’ This is the question being posed by Al Jazeera Arabic news channel in one of its regular Arabic language polls.
So how many Al Jazeera Arabic viewers are willing to give their anonymous vote in favour of an ISIS victory? At time of writing the poll had attracted more than 36,000 votes, with a staggering 81% in support of the ISIS and only 19% rejecting the group.
hopefully they’ll be joined by many other peaceful NonMuslim Irish in a show of solidarity without political flags to hijack the event.
any info on your profile pic,
All of the journal commenters from last week asking ‘where were the Muslims condemning the killings’- take note. Not all Muslims are your enemy
Ross. Will the leaders and membership of the Muslim Brotherhood be there I wonder.
War over religion is a lot like a fight over who has the better imaginary friend… I believe it was yasser arrafat that said that!
i for one am glad to see them making a stand against this violence. i think the people from previous weeks who where calling for this will still have something negative to say. its a case of damn if you do damned if you don’t.
People who are on constantly talking negative that’s their way of life take it ur lucky to only have to read true their comments. Some poor person has to live wit them n their poor kids :(
What a good quote. Always had a lot of time for Yasser Arafat. Good to see Muslims in this country making a stand against this cancer on the face of Middle East that is ISIS .
@AN other. If it was Yasser Arafat then that explains why most all of the money earmarked for the faithful in Gaza,wound up in his bank accounts-more than 4 Billion it was rumoured.
Just like the current crop of Hamas leaders liven’it up in luxury hotels,in Doha.
When will they ever learn!.
Unfortunately they’re fighting a losing battle if their aim is to show hatred and violence is not justified by Islam. The only way they can do that is by rewriting the Quran itself, because most of what ISIS do is backed up by that book and by the actions of the religion’s warrior founder.
Islam is a religion immersed in violence.
And the global carnage caused by liberal ideology s backed up by the claim that it’s all in the name of democracy.
The belief that this is caused by the Quran is such a lazy Western assumption. I assume you’ve read it? Please tell me which parts describe what ISIS are doing? All I saw in it was endless tedious instruction to pray. The problem is not the Quran, the problem is more so religion in general and the way it is interpreted in underdeveloped, impoverished and/or uneducated parts of the world. The only way to tackle this is education and modernisation. Christianity is interpreted differently now in the Western world to what it was 1,000 years ago, and that’s because we’ve developed and modernised. It would be absolutely ludicrous to blame an atrocity on the Bible, or to say “that LGBT hate crime is backed up by the Bible, we need to focus our attention on that book.”
And for the record, having read the two, the Bible has far more in it that could be interpreted in a hateful manner.
Martin: don’t let logic get in the way of a grand aul moan about Islam
Well said Martin! Whoever is hiding behind the Scipio aliais is either a Wum or someone who doesnt have the courage to stand behind their convictions.
There needs to be more Islamic leaders standing up and condeming Isil like this. But the media should report and promote more stories like this but unfortunately it is not headline news for them.
In fairness to Scipio, I only read the Qu’ran ‘cos I was going through my Dawkins and Hithcens phase, and needed something to back up my claim that Islam is a violent religion. How wrong I was. The Old Testament, on the other hand… jaysus.
The main problem with the “look at all the Islamic atrocities, Islam is therefore a religion of hate argument” is that it confuses correlation with causation. If I teleported back in time and gave Christian zealots, of which there were many, weapons of mass destruction, guns, and all the advances in technology we have that can be used for suicide missions, it’d have pretty much the same outcome. Blaming Islam alone dumbs the whole argument down. In my opinion nearly all religions are designed to segregate. We should be looking at integration as a means of peace, because you can’t fight hate with more hate.
On a sidenote, the idea that Irish muslims should apologise for an atrocity in Tunisia is absolutely outrageous.
you have not read the Quran or the bible
Scipio, have you ever read the Old Testament? Religion in general over time has been a negative influence on humanity. It’s been used to reinforce tribalism. Having said that I admire the selfless charitable work that a lot of religious people do.
The devil can cite scripture for his purpose.
Oh Scipio, please tell us more about your firm grounding in Islamic studies.
They talk a lot of trash in the Bible, much of which makes up the majority of Islamic belief.
Making little of alternative worldviews is always based on the fascist belief that my worldview is the only true one. These muslims who are protesting are far more secular and tolerant than skippy over there.
@Martin Burns – Please give me an example where the bible promotes hatred?
Haha are you joking? I said “could be interpreted in a hateful manner”, but no matter. Its general depiction of women, such as offering your own daughter up for rape as a gesture of goodwill, could be perceived by some as promoting hatred of women. Along with all the hateful stuff about homosexuality (“he that lies with another man will be put to death” I’m paraphrasing but you know the part I’m talking about). But if you’re looking for promoting hatred in the sense of attacking other religions:
“He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed”
And there’s plenty more where that came from. Shall I keep going?
And I have my copy of the Qur’an next to me here, so if you point me in the direction of the violence-inciting passages, I can have a quick read and report back on whether I was overcome with a desire to do evil or not.
@Martin Burns Jr.
The Koran is full of violence directed against kafirs/non-Muslims esp., Jews.
Unlike the Old Testament violence that was directed against particular tribal groups for that time and place the violence in the Koran is open-ended,ie., for all time until the whole world submits to the Muslims. This is our problem now.
Those violent verses of Medina take precedence over the relatively benign verse of Mecca.
Taken from the New English Review
—-”Approximately 51% of the Medinan Koran text is about jihad and verbal threats directed against Jews, non-Muslims and hypocrites (half-hearted Muslims). The Koran of Medina is 10.8% Jew hatred in nature. By comparison, only 6.8% of the text (measured by paragraphs) of Adolph Hitler’s Mein Kamph is anti-Jewish.”—Bill Warner
http://www.newenglishreview.org/Bill_Warner/Understanding_The_Koran/
Note to self – do not visit o’connell street on above date
Note to self – Do not visit O Connell Street.
No Heroin or arcade games for me that day :(
Out of interest, does anyone know if the protest will be segregated by gender?
Probably not here. And by the way the first time I went to a Sikh Gudwara here in Dublin back in the 80s the congregation were segregated, with the women and children including boys under seven on one side and the men and older boys on the other.
Sorry Mary. The Sikh community are not Muslim. They are Sikh. Totally different religion. Sikhs can drink smoke . Their women and children are treated equally. Tho at gatherings its more of a traditional soldier thing you witnessed..
*when the*
Thanks, Viking. I’m aware that Sikhs are not Muslims. They are in fact a breakaway sect of Hinduism (started not too far distant in time from the when Reformation took place here in Europe). I was merely pointing out that Islam is not the only religion that has segregation of the sexes.
That should be a good start because Muslim has got to understand that murder is morally wrong.
And spiritually wrong.
I think murder is just plain wrong.
Good, because I think it’s VERY wrong.
Nice gesture.
But really there’s no need.
We all know Islam is a peaceful religion. We can distinguish between true Muslim spirituality and those who have hijacked the religion of the Prophet for political purposes.
Every Irish person has a Muslim friend or neighbour. And they are always very good neighbours.
Quite, civilized, conscientious, civic minded.
This is the month of Ramada and my Muslim neighbours call in every night and invite me to share food with them.
Wonderful feasts.
Fasting has the effect of focussing the mind and we discuss religion, philosophy and life in general.
Wonderful people.
Of course there are elements of Irish society who think all Muslims are part of Isis.
Ignore these people.
We call them atheists or materialists.
They hate religion in general. They do not understand religion, they do not want to understand religion.
They’re just bigots.
What they do not understand they fear.
Best of luck with the protest.
All peaceful Irish citizens will be with you in spirit.
The problem with Islam is that the followers worship the word and in worshipping the word they fail to see and find God. It’s not the words that lead to spirituality in faith.
Noah, I am an atheist & am not in the least bit hateful towards any religion nor its adherents. Maybe think before you generalise, Isn’t that what people are doing by lumping all Muslims in with ISIS/ISIL?
I think that st Thomas Aquinas was correct when he said “since we cannot know what God is, but only what God is not,we cannot consider how God is but only how He is not.” It’s not the words because the word is only hints about God’s being.
Makes complete sense to me
We cannot know what God is, It is beyond our comprehension.
Hence the role of the prophet.
And the greatest proof of the prophet is his revelation.
His Book.
@Matt.
Apologies.
When in Rome.
So athiests are bigots Noah?
How sad.
There are (?) so many gods out there it’s so hard to pick and choose which one is the best.
I respect that people believe in fairy tales, they have every right to do so. But to call athiests bigots is in poor taste.
whats wrong with the food any other time of the year or is it an attempt to teach? sure you just want to eat. you should invite them in to eat your food, though they might think its not good enough. Don’t get too close Noah, trust me ; ) nice gesture all the same but…
Noah, I wonder if you can see the irony in your stereotyping of all atheists?
Especially given that you branded them all as bigots?
@whereisspace
“People believe in fairy tales”
That’s the problem with many atheists.
They’re actually to lazy to think for themselves. They just pick up on the latest Dawkinism and parrot it out in the delusion that they are somehow ‘original’.
Too many modern atheists cannot distinguish between the Mahabharata e.g. and Harry Potter, classifying both works as make believe, when in reality the first is one of the most profound works of psychological insight ever gifted to man, the other is nothing more than a children’s fantasy.
The fact that they publicly advertise their inability to distinguish between them only adds greater pathos.
Both are stories.
Fairy tales if you will.
Aye Noah. Which one is which?
I don’t believe Muhammad was a prophet and I don’t believe he received the Qur’an from the arcangel Gabriel. I do believe that many muslims can have this directed at them “when the sage points at the moon all the idiot sees is the finger”.
‘How can feeble reason encompass the Qur’án,
Or the spider snare a phoenix in his web?’
‘Cleanse thou the rheum from out thine head
And breathe the breath of God instead’
@Noah
A banana with no na is a bana.
The fanatic believers can do more evil than 2000 rogues.
@Thanks space.
That’s what I love about the journal.ie
There’s not a day passes without being enlightened in one form or another.
Aye, my moment of enlightenment is a statement is a fact.
Yours is a poem of sorts. Cheers.
Have a great weekend.
Enjoy your weekend as well.
Adios.
‘We call them atheists or materialists.
They hate religion in general. They do not understand religion, they do not want to understand religion.
They’re just bigots.
What they do not understand they fear.’
Sorry me thinks you are the bigot. You don’t fear/hate something that you don’t understand it’s just you don’t understand it I don’t understand/get the apostasy clause and the less rights for women i.e. inheritance. and all the other slights. The chopping off heads plus the whipping and stoning all in the name of god/allah? That is ruling through fear and hatred. All people, religious or nonreligious need to get out and protest over what isis is doing to human beings. They are a disgrace to be called religious.
I am glad you found something you believe in what ever it is but not everyone needs to or wants to. One can have morals and ethics and not be materialistic without the need for religion.
@john David Attenborough showed me the true way and steered me away from the godshit, a truly great man now in his 90th year.
‘Not in our name demonstrations’ were held all over Ireland in protest against the savage IRA campaign of murder and mayhem. IRA terrorists did not listen. Now some loonies want to vote them into power. I hope Irish Muslims have more success than we did.
So you didn’t believe in Pearse & Connolly, Plunket, Collins I could go on they were all IRA striking for Irish freedom!
vicky, i think he’s talking about the blowing up innocent people in the 70′s 80′s and 90′s, not 1916-1923
Did your Orange Supremacist/’Onionist’ bretheren hold similar events to counter M16 trained ‘Layalist’ pitbull sectarian cleansing or is that what every sectarian stomping season is really all ‘aboyt’ anyway!?!
some of my friends are Muslim u cant tar them all with the one brush some good people there
The notion of a Moderate Muslim is an oxymoron:
“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled or incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world … But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world … Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender [to the enemy]? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur'anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings attributed to Prophet Muhammad] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.” —The late Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini
There needs to be a separation between Islam and the state in Muslim countries Similar to separation of church and state in western countries
@Barry Sheehan. It is easy to understand the violent madness of Khomeini after learning of the most vile perverted desires of this despot . It is a projection of his own self loathing and inner punishment projected onto innocent others.Here is just a sample of his perverted mind,-
–”Quotes: Ayatollah Khomeini on sex with children
11th August 2009, 06:32
“A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. If he penetrates and the child is harmed then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however would not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister.”
The complete Persian text of this saying can be found in “Ayatollah Khomeini in Tahrirolvasyleh, Fourth Edition, Darol Elm, Qom, 1990″
How sick is this!! and this man is held in awe by millions of muslims. In a sane world he would have been put in jail or a lunatic asylum!! Absolutely cookoo crazy. Fortunately he is dead. Unfortunely millions still follow his teachings. Are they all paedophiles? No wonder the muslim world is full of mindless zombies.
Unfortunately this is not possible
On one level the emergence of ISIS/IS/Dash is to be welcomed as it represents the true face of Islam which the liberal left/Western Muslim apologists can no longer attempt to dismiss as isolated fundamentalists.
I don’t have time to write a full comment cos im in the pub, but suffice to say this Islamic terrorism is quite the pickle. We need think long and hard about it.
fair play to them !
Well, three Irish citizens are slaughtered and now we are suppose the praise the Muslim community for protesting against Islam, what a load of bollix,didn’t see many out protesting when the nightly news bulletin were showing Europeans and Americans pleading for there lives, and then getting beheaded, and condemning those new Irish who decided to leave Ireland to fight….this sounds to hollow for me, and a s Mr right noted interesting to see how many will turn up.
Of course you’ve been out daily protesting the murder of Muslims at the hands of ISIS
@Maurice Slater.
Quite right. I read the article above twice and all I can see is they are worried about Islam’s image and how it will affect them as a community and as individuals here. No word of condolence for the executed.
Just the usual reiteration that Muslims are the real victims.
Verdict=Insincere.
“Not in our name”
For the moment.
simple fact is muslims are as welcome as the plague,every other race has thrived when they immigrated,Indian,polish,Chinese..need i go on? but these animals are being let in and are creeping over from England where they have already causes huge problems…visit Britain,every other commercial premises is a smelly kebab shop or internet cafe!! If not wanting these cult promoting sub human animals in our society is racist then im racist,otherwise im just a concerned citizen who embraces multiculturalism not cults who treat woman,gays and human rights second only to shit
Islam is a religion, therefore you are not being racist, even when you do refer to Muslims as “sub human animals”. I guess you are being religionist?!
Don’t care what you say i ain’t buying it. Wouldn’t trust any of them fruit cakes
islam has the good side and the bad side and both are in the Quran, if you follow the good side you will be a moderate muslim which i have a lot of friends , and if you follow the bad side you’r friends will be Isis, but generally both sides are in the Quran,
@joseph shalaba. Well said joseph and a very honest admission. the division you refer to is between the earlier Meccan peaceful verses and the later Medinan violent verses However you left out the ‘missing link’ which is ‘The Verse of Abrogation’ from the Koran that rules on ambiguity in contradictory verses.
Koran 2:106 None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?
This is the famous Abrogation verse. It’s meaning is understood that later violent verses take precedence over earlier peaceful verses.
Abrogation !
So the ”good” cult members are going to block our streets praising a poxy allah?id piss in his mouth the false god
gonna be popcorn time
Bush and Blair have a lot to answer for
We need to stand shoulder to shoulder with the Muslim community at this demonstration. show them our support and our acknowledgement that we know the overwhelming majority of Muslims are as sickened by these acts as we are. it’s Muslims remember who by far are the main victims of Islamic State. We have to show solidarity with our Muslim citizens.
Stop talking shiite
A fatwa has been issued against you. may Allah greet you in heaven with 72 raisins.
I know some Muslims are not advocates of any form of violence, but you know, since the dawn of time, people who were brought up to believe in a particular religion, but then as self thinking adults, actually changed their religion if there were aspects they really disagreed with, so why don’t disagreeing Muslim call for a change of religion for moderates.
On the point of those animals ISIL I think the opposers should do their best to capture them instead of “martyring ” them, and let them rot in hellhole jails for their life, reflecting on their deeds, instead of encouraging them to martyr themselves.
Am I wrong when I say the Quran can only be loosely translated in this age and its open to interpretation? In other words you could use it for good and evil but no one really knows what it means.
Yes you are wrong. Due to the rule on abrogation the Quran is quite clear.
yea, cause if there is one thing to help a group become more likeable it’s a protest. bad marketing by the irish muslims
Did the Irish march in solidarity when the IRA were blowing up places in England?
Yes, many thousands of irish gathered to protest in Dublin on March 29 1993 against IRA bombing in England.
I would be very impressed if all denominations of Islam in Ireland are represented on this peace event. Will the Sunnis the Shias and the Sufis all march together side by side? The Brand of Islam practiced the Saudi is not really regarded by other Muslims as the genuine article, according to many of my Egyptian friends who live and work there.
The vast majority of Muslims just want to live an ordinary life as do the majority of Christians.
about time
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