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A DECISION ON planning permission for a mosque in Tralee, Co Kerry has been delayed over concerns about a public call to prayer system.
Kerry Islamic Cultural Centre submitted an application in April to build a mosque in a business park in Killerisk, Tralee.
A previous application was rejected due to concerns over traffic.
According to The Kerryman, the proposed mosque would feature a traditional dome and minaret while the centre would include ten bedrooms and a dining hall to cater for 200 people.
The Islamic call to prayer takes place five times a day, including at dawn and just after sunset.
The Kerryman said Kerry County Council is seeking information on a number of aspects of the plan, including whether or not there will be a public call to prayer and the impact this may have on neighbours.
Dr Rizwan Khan, chair of the Kerry Islamic Outreach Society (KIOS), told Tralee Today:
“The call to prayer has been an issue raised, but nobody has said because there is a minaret the call to prayer is going to happen.
There is not a chance it will happen because the neighbours’ rights are our utmost priority in Islam.
“For the last 20 years there has been a mosque in Clonskeagh in Dublin with a minaret and there is no call to prayer, so saying there is going to be a call to prayer in Tralee is just scaremongering,” Khan said.
Earlier this month, the Irish branch of Pediga (Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamisation of the West) handed out flyers in Tralee protesting the mosque.
According to the last census, Kerry has the largest amount of Muslims in Ireland outside of Dublin, Cork and Limerick. There were 833 Muslims in Tralee and over 1,500 in the county as of 2011. The figure is now likely to be higher.
KIOS said the Kerry Islamic Cultural Centre won’t be commenting on the issue until the planning permission result is decided.
A spokesperson for Kerry County Council confirmed they have received the application, but said they cannot comment on it as a decision has yet to be reached.
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Having worked a lot in the middle east I appreciate and respect the Muslim culture and it’s people. I have been woken up for weeks on end at 4.30-5am by the call to prayer outside the hotel window in Saudi. More power to them. However, I am against the building of mosques in Ireland. As a country that is on the move away from Catholicism – which I feel is a sign of a more modern and educated society – building mosques is a step backwards towards an organised and controlling religion that should be tolerated no more on our Island. We’ve had enough of that.
hear hear hector. I don’t think we’d be allowed to build a catholic church in their countries…the one in Clonskea looks huge?
Banning mosques won’t stop people from practising , what is your real point , tell people what they should or shouldn’t believe?
Dispatches channel 4 Wednesday15 “escape from isis” worth seeing.Everything by the book- the Koran.Bad times ahead.
I doubt the reason is to stop people from practising
No one needs fancy places and show ups to practice their religion. It can be done within four walls. I just hope authorities should see future implications of giving such permissions. There are Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs and they too practice their religion at home.
If people want to practice their faith in a mosque (as long as there is no call to prayer) I dont see the problem. Nobody is forcing you to join in. Isn’t that the whole point of the West? The freedom to do as you choose as long as it doesn’t affect anybody else?
hectorpickaxe , did you see many Catholic churches over there ? how can you respect a “culture” that treats its women so badly, have you not seen their penchant for grooming young girls as shown recently in Britain. how can anyone respect that
Saw that, excellent documentary. The yazidi rescuers have to be the bravest guys on the planet. The world needs more of them to wipe out daesh
Militant Toker. Yes I have seen many Catholic, Orthodox and Coptic Christian churches in Muslim countries.
As far as I know, the Clonskeagh mosque (minarets and all) was commissioned and paid for by the Ruler of Dubai. In Dubai, the same said Ruler tolerates private churches but only if they cannot be identified as churches from the exterior i.e no visible crosses etc. Personally, I’m atheist but fair is fair.
I don’t. But while I work abroad I will respect the people that I work with and their culture. Not all muslims groom little girls.
Yep, there’s 2 Catholic churches in Dubai alone.
Build a mosque if that floats your boat chaps, just don’t have the call to prayer on a loudspeaker.
Simples.
We don’t need this nonsense to pop up in our faces just as we’re making inroads into getting rid of this Christian poppycock dominating our country.
As I said build a mosque but keep it to yourselves chaps. As an old teacher said to me and some of my fellow students once “you’re only fooling yourselves”.
well said cooperguy. You’re getting a lot of red thumbs though. You’ll have to stop it with all that logic and reason if you want more green thumbs.
Because The Crusades were so innocent!
Fro God’s sake stop tarring everyone with the same brush, Stalin was a communist, Hitler was a Christian, Franco and Mussolini Catholics. Between them they wiped out over 100 Million+ people
Also if we had Sharia law running our banks we would never have got into the crap we’re in now.
Well lets hear the Muslims giving other creeds the freedom to do as they choose in their countries cooperguy?
Not a hope in hell!
Ya and your door right now would be kicked in by religious police and you would find yourself more then likely without a head for the above comments, you might get off lightly and only lose a hand though. If that’s what you want flights to Saudi re going cheap now.
Not sure what your point is William. We live in the West where we allow people to do as they please. That’s what most people like about this end of the world and why we prefer it to other parts where this isn’t allowed (like where your talking about)
Yeah Dave the West is about freedom, Islam is about subjugation, how any so called liberal can call themselves liberal when they make excuses for this religion which is anathema to everything a liberal should stand for makes my blood boil!.
Cue above post for you cooperguy.
William, you are generalising a billion people. There are certainly a lot of extremists but there are also a lot of moderate people too. Extremists aren’t gotten rid of by banning religions, they are gotten rid of by accepting moderates and opening dialogue.
Even the moderates of this religion of Islam cooperguy treat women as inferior, its in the book after all?
And the book says anyone that isn’t Muslim can be slain, slaved or converted no compromise!.
Thats why this 7th century fascist ideology should be stopped in its tracks before it becomes a runaway train we have no hope of ever derailing, and when/if? that happens the freedom as we know it will not exist anymore.
Relax William , that train has been riding for centuries , you have no figures for moderates , you base your general views what you hear in the news , anyone can claim anything but you have to back it up with figures , where are your sources share them with us and then we can see who is right.
William, the bible also gives plenty of reasons why you should kill woman (not to mention calling everything from shellfish to homosexuality an abomination). It doesn’t mean people take it all literally though……….
Well said hector our way or the highway._.
I’ve been trying to balance my armchair atheism with my instinctive dislike for the anti-Islam/anti-anything different collective.
I dislike rascism in its varied and subtle forms and I also dislike what is termed ‘political correctness’ for its constant background of dishonesty or blinkered outlook.
I’ve decided that as it’s taken hundreds of years for me to be even thinking this way, allowing another ancient backwards theology into my neck of the woods is just being on my own side.
Cooperguy…go to YouTube..look up Syria/Iraq combat video….then reflect on the power of dialogue…sorry,but sooner or later someone was going to suggest this to you.
I’ll refer you to the good Friday agreement amongst numerous examples throughout history. there are crazy people who can’t be reasoned with and need to be met with force, that’s obvious. However you can’t claim ISIS represents Islam in the same way you can’t claim the IRA represent all Catholics (or the UVF all Protestants)
Leo being anti-Islam is not racist it’s perfectly logical and morally obligatory.
there is no churches in saudi arabia… fact
We’ve only just got rid of one controlling eastern mystery cult. We don’t need another one thanks
it’s not like they’re actively trying to convert folks. they just want to be able to worship in a manner of their choosing. As a Kerryman, I say let them at it.
No objection if they want to worship together but why they want a different place? they can go the the existing places in Dublin etc. if they can travel from all over the world to Hajj, i am sure Kerry to Dublin is no trouble.
Who is going to be in control of it, will it be the hardline Muslim Brotherhood.
Will the School if Islam be a hardline one, like half the Mosques in England are.
Will it be using an Imam trained in Saudi Arabia etc.
Hajj is a once-in-a-lifetime deal for most. Mosque is weekly – I think. Certainly more regular than Hajj anyways.
Oscar what about their children? Are they not forced to believe in Islam?
I was walking down Wembley high street two weeks ago and was handed a flyer by a guy about Jesus, who smiled and thanked me.
I didn’t realise what it was initially when I took it.
100 metres up the road outside the tube station Muslim people had set up shop, women in burka’s were shoving leaflets in people’s faces and some lad on a megaphone was shouting about Islam.
I can only describe the whole thing as hateful.
I’m not religious and have little time for religion, but it’s worrying to think that’s what we have to look forward to happening over here.
oh please, you get plenty of aggressive “converters” in every religion. I have to imagine you haven’t seen the Islam information stands that are in every major city in Ireland already because of how low key and polite they are
Yeah? I’ve seen Christians on O’Connell St and Grafton st get on loudspeakers and tell everyone within earshot that they were going to hell within the past 5 days and just yesterday I had a very pleasant Muslim collecting money for Palestine. See? We can all build narratives. They’re meaningless. Take your bigoted head out of your hoop and you’ll be a much happier person.
I have seen some, regularly down at Newmarket in fact springs to mind, as I’ve seen the fire and brimstone lads up the north too,I pay little notice to either as I’m not into religion.
My original point being that what I encountered in Wembley just appeared to do much more intrusive and aggressive preaching for want of a better word, I’ve seen similar in Birmingham and Coventry on my last few trips.
It’s a problem in the U.K.
Bigoted?
There’s probably no point in refuting you as you seem to be of an extremely high intellect,and I’d be no match by the looks of things.
Enjoy being a happy person with your head not inserted in your hoop.
Nice riposte …
Religion is a private affair. Don’t do it in the streets and frighten the horses
Sums it up well kevin. Religion should be practiced in private.
I agree. therefore they need a building to do it in
@Stephen Earle: I’d go further than that, Stephen. Religion should be practised in private i.e. keep it out of schools.
@ kevin what about the angelus?
What about the fact that Church bells continue to toll in communities around Ireland at various times of day!
What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
Francie some of us have picked none you mentioned. if you think your jesus is all love & peace read the bible. its the best book in the world for converts to atheism.
you can turn down or turn off the angelus! !!
you can switch off or turn down the angelus!!
Ahh you can turn down or turn off the angelus!?
Obviously you know very little about Islam and Mohammad and have been educated via the media. plus there are plenty of references throughout our (Christian) bible regarding bloodshed and the likes. Educate yourself first then comment.
@Bobby Phelan:
Perhaps you should consult “our rules” before making such a xenophobic pronouncement.
Article 44.2.1°- Constitution of Ireland:
“Freedom of conscience and the free profession and practice of religion are, subject to public order and morality, guaranteed to every citizen.”
Quelle surprise.
Bobby Phelan has a brainless and moronic point of view on religion too.
Yea then go to Islamic countries and ring church bells see how they take it
except they have specifically said they won’t be doing a call to prayer. So how is that point relevant?
Then, please explain why our Government is anti-Catholic?
Mk76 do u b waiting for me to comment.Hows ure buddy dinny.!!!!!!!
Eamonn i am in titled to my opinion.We shouldn’t have to change our culture because of religion.I have no problem with Muslim people there welcome to stay but leave their religion at home.
Don’t allow mosques to be built in Europe until Saudi Arabia allows churches to be built.
say that when they are beheading yaself and raping your young daughters.. they dont belieive in ya fukiing constitution you moron.. wake up you simpleton.. barenakedislam.com.. watch the stoning video.. poor soul..show it to your friends.. coming to a town near you and ya constitution wont save you
@Gary Anthony Mc Loughlin:
Your ignorance is breathtaking – its like saying that the Vatican is administered by the Provisional IRA. Lets ban the Catholic Church because the IRA will be behead and rape anyone who doesn’t follow their brand of Catholicism. Moronic statement.
I wonder what Mohammed would look like in a kerry football jersey.
Well whatever you do don’t draw a picture of him in the Kerry kit
I think he would look like you!
it’s a good story ,no more no less,a work of fiction by a very creative writer like all other religious stories, of course when you question all these of these entities ,all you get is ,you must have faith,well if its all true where are they now .absolute hogwash.
Have I missed the Muslim march to protest the atrocity in Tunisia?
I have no problem withe their mosque in Ireland……….
Just as soon as there is ONE Christian Church in Saudi Arabia , as we all now know Christians (Jews are long gone) are being driven out (and their churches being burned) of much of the middle east, they are even leaving “Palestine” the home of Christianity.
The islamisation of countries is a slow process that takes seemingly gentle harmless steps that appeal to the tolerance of the indigenous peoples of those same countries. But make no mistake, there is a definite plan to ultimately dominate and control. It’s like a progressive disease that slowly overcomes its victim. Our tolerance is sometimes ironically our biggest problem.
I tolerate reading your last name on this forum , which is quite distasteful , why don’t you want to tolerate other minded people? Having the freedom to choose whatever way you want to live your life (within the law) is a strong indication of a modern society.
‘Within the law’ , do you mean Sharia Law , Islam causes nothing but trouble wherever it goes in Western Countries , take a close look at any European Country , do we really want Women imprisoned in cloth , forced marriages , FGM , this is a Religion that allows murder when someone leaves and yet we have hairy men ( no women of course ) outside the GPO in O Connell street promoting this Medieval mindset , we have recently pulled the rug from under the Catholic Church do we really want to take a step backwards by allowing the rise of Islamism in Ireland ? , if we foolishly do we will cause a world of trouble for future generations , everyone needs to read Infidel by Aayan Hirsi Ali , she makes it very clear why we as a Western Country need to be very wary about allowing large numbers of Muslims into the Country , build a large Mosque anywhere don’t be surprised that the numbers will grow
FGM is primarily a West Aftrican thing and is practised in both Christan and Islamic cultures.
Your world view is based on fear of what you don’t undestand. What it says in a book is one thing but what you learn from actually INTERACTING WITH PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT CULTURES is another.
Can anyone suggest a single eu country where sharia law exists?
Its estimated at sbout 85 in the uk. http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-qa-sharia-law-uk/18486
None of these are state sanctioned though – which is my point in another post re: let’s make ireland truly secular and not give any religion any excuse to operate as an unofficial court.
We should not have a blasphemy law for example. A muslim lawyer in ireland threatened to use this law if charlie hebdo “return” covers were published in ireland basically utilising this ridiculous law to defend the indefensible.
IMO, Ireland sorting out the many situations where church and state still cross over is a matter of priority. No religion should be able to hide behind a law. Personally, I’m completely anti-religion – I’d love to see the world get beyond it – but that’s not reality because in truth there is little you can do when people are willing to suspend reason for belief.
From that perspective, we should protect ourselves from what we’ve already been subject to (and remain subject to) as well as “future proofing” ourselves from anyone using religion as any possible justification for harm.
@Mike no not sharia law , that is not the law we follow, laws do change when required during time , one group of people can’t dictate all the laws for all of society , we created a lot of the mess in the ME , we funded early al quada , invaded Iraq , Libia , setup military bases in Saudi Arabia , attempted regime change in Iran and this is only of what the public knows , Ayaan Hirschi Ali is a hardliner earning income , she works for a think tank , she lied on her application to get a Dutch passport , one of the ministers had to resign for this , if you want people to listen to these neo-fascists , Pamela Geller, Geert Wilders and others , and then engage with that way of thinking the other extremists like IS then you never are to achieve a consensus but only stirring up no hate , you might as well propose to read mein kampf from Hitler and tell them to follow his vision , just what exactly are trying to achieve by pointing to Ayaan Hirschi Ali? Certainly no peace!
These people you name have been victimised by Islamists,
Red are you American/British? Jihad predates 9/11 or any oil war.
Great writer Hersi Ali,
Tony sharia law IS state sanctioned in the UK.
Scaremongering? In relation to Muslims? I’m shocked
Watch out!
You might get Islamafied
You call it scaremongering I call it just being honest about how you feel about another mosque in your town
Here we go again, what is it with these people, can’t just take a low profile and get on with life in a private manner – no they need to shout out their religion from the roof tops or minarretes in this case. Why the need to make it so blatatant other than there is a hidden agenda and a wish to create a society within a society – aka Trojan Horse.
If they feel that strongly about the need for a mosque plenty back in your homeland – see ya. If you haven’t moved abroad to broaden your horizons then probably best to revert to your core beliefs and go back to that model in your homecountry where you can soak it up to your hearts content. Don’t come over here and try and ram your views down our throats – we have already had a bellyful of religious hatred here and rejected it outright.
Fact – Britain, France, Spain have all learned to their cost that mosques are the breeding ground for militant mullahs and imans – spreading radical islam.
Unless the Mosque are going to fund in perpetuity the cost of special branch to monitor activities 24-7 on all 200+
We are a country that had our own problem with terrorists we dont need to import them now that we are finally ridding the country of that element.
Kerry is the kingdom – but not your kingdom, show some humility you are a guest not the ruler.
Kerry isn’t your kingdom to dictate what people can and can’t do either, ya dick.
Yeah those bloody noises waking me up every weekend from my well-earned lie in, why do they need to go shouting their religion from the rooftops or in this case steeples…steeples? Yes, I’m talking about the bells at my local Catholic church that wake me up constantly.
I’m sure you were thinking about that too, and not just blindly applying hateful remark to one religion while ignoring the fact it applies to others and most likely all, equally.
Oooh name calling … thanks proves my point
Typical fundamentalist- lash out at any view that is contrary to your agenda…now where have we seen that before…….
Whats wrong Oscar did your mammy not show you enough love growing up – thats ok you still have alot of it to do so there is still time.
Kingdom has done just fine as it has since time began – us Kerryfolk born and bred there for generations like it just fine the way it is – if others dont feel free to catch the next plane out- see ya !
Yeah Jim Bob – they make it blatant because they have a hidden agenda. Do words have different meanings in your mono-cultural Kingdom?
Just dandy thanks le Tigre or should i say Oscar
What “culture” are you referring to there – anyone coming to Ireland should absorb themselves into the irish culture surely – if it offends you why come here ?
I nor any Irish person have any apologies to make for our culture – as far as I am concerned it is one of the best in the world which is why I choose to stay and live here.
Yeah, our brand of Anglo American culture beats them all.
What culture are you referring to there JB?
A call to prayer? Lol. In this day and age. Seriously can we stop with this simpleton nonsense.
We have the catholic call to prayer on TV and radio twice a day already.
The man said they are not going to have it , relax!
Yeh but you can turn that off if you want
Church Angelus bells ring out over the whole country.
@Proinsias Ó Foghlú,
The Angelus is a part of OUR culture and tradition, it’s been going on for hundreds of years, why should we abolish it to please the Islamists?
Red arrow away, and for your information I’m an atheist.
Why do people always assume we’re going to have to change our amazing hellla awesome cool bell culture just cus there’s people of foreign descent living here. HE WASN’T EVEN SAYING THEY WANTED TO STOP THE ANGELUS HE WAS JUST POINTING OUT THAT WE HAVE LOUD RELIGION NOISES OURSELVES. Have you ever heard St. Finbarr’s Cathedral in Cork? That thing rings non stop for like half an hour at 8pm every night. Yeah, I know, the call to prayer is a 5 times a day deal, not even saying I’d like to live in an area where it was a thing, but it’s not exactly without precedent.
nobody said anything about the Angelis to be abolished. the article was referring to the Muslim call to prayer (that big aaaahhhahhh noise) being added to a proposed mosques in Kerry.
@Eamon I’m an atheist too and I don’t think that any one religion should have special privileges over another. However I totally agree that that Angelus Bells have been rung out for hundreds of years and perhaps we could enact a law that permits lets say this 200 year old practice to continue.
Yea ita silly too but it got in there and when people didnt know any better. No need to double down now with another fairytale theme tune.
Muslim faith states in black and white conform, or die……..
eire is going down hill … won’t be long before they take over like here in the UK
won’t be long before there’s a civil war in UK….sooner or later, it’s going to all kick off
The only scary thing about this article is mind numbing fear mongering nonsense that gets green thumbs
“UK Muslim population in 2011 as ~2,706,066, ~4.5% of the total population.”
“I remember when white people had all of the power instead of just most of it.”
Beano what side will the black midgets fight on?
Good lord. All those radicals at only 4.5%. Imagine if it was 20%.
The UK population is over sixty million Oscar. Your figure of 2,706,066 Muslim population in the UK is nowhere near the 4.5% you claim. We are all mixed race, there is no white and all the rest no matter how much you would like there to be. Stay blissful Oscar.
I’m not sure you get sarcasm Charlie
Figure taken from wikipedia, whatever. Also that’s a quote from American Dad.
Charlie, check your numbers again. And your paragraph makes no sense whatsoever.
I don’t want them in my town of Tralee and most people don’t and I certainly don’t want to see a mosque here. Its the people of Tralee who should vote what comes into their town and not the chosen few .These people simply don’t fit into Irish society nor do they wish to so would hope they would take it somewhere else.
Bull**** sir. Have you ever actually talked to a Muslim? There’s loads of them studying up in the I.T – Saudis, Omanis, Kuwaitis and more – even the odd Irish-born Muslim. They’re generally nice people (no more or less so than, y’know, regular people). They all love Ireland.
And as for them having no place in Irish society, that’s straight up lies. Imagine if people in the States had the same attitute about Irish people in the 1800s, what then? Huh?
I’m Irish and Muslim. I can and I want to identify as both. (Although I’m deeply ashamed of the scaremongering I’m seeing in the comments on this Irish website)
I don’t know what an “Islamist” is but I don’t identify as that. Speak to ANY genuine practicing Muslim and they will tell you they are against the likes of ISIS and anyone who murders people in the name of Islam.
@donal If you’re ever sick and need urgent medical attention, who do you think will treat you? YES the Muslim doctor in Kerry hospital . Most Drs in Kerry hospital are foreign Muslims and you’d be damn glad to have them in your town then
^ My niqqas right here. Disregard the red thumbs Aoife, I think there’s a bit of a red thumb posse on patrol this morning.
@Aoife Abushaqra,
How wonderful for you, but don’t forget if you were living in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia you would not be allowed to even drive a car and you would have to wear a burqa.
That’s why I don’t live there. That’s not Islam that’s their culture. The burka is not a component of Islam. That’s Bedouin culture.
@Aoife Abushaqra
In Islam, sexism is mathematically established. Or do you only believe in bits of the Quran ?
Qur’an (4:11) – (Inheritance) “The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females” (see also verse 4:176).
The Bible isn’t exactly a bastion of women’s equality either, in fairness!!
Your FB page says you live in Dubai?
Do you think if there was a vote in the morning in US to ban Muslims who would be the loser.
Should I be afraid to give my views because I will be under the knife with one of these doctors someday that is not good enough reason .HSE SLAVE where did all the holy pictures that used to hang on the walls of Kerry Hospital and the Statues that used to be there would love to know where they are ?
what do you say about Quran 8:12 ?8:12
Sahih International
[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”
You obviously haven’t experienced Birmingham or Bradford in England. Overrun and pushed out the locals and make no effort to integrate. They even want sharia law……
1500 doctors? Come on
@Eamonn, it’s not that long since a woman was allowed to leave her husband here. It’s also not that long since it actually became a crime for a husband to rape his wife. Ireland isn’t the bastion of Western Tolerance it likes to think it is. We don’t call religious bigots the Catholiban for nothing.
It’s a religion that subjugates women. You are brain washed subconsciously. Wearing a burka or niqab is subjugation.
Yes, your point being?… I am Irish and living abroad.
Aoife do you believe in Evolution?
A Mosque in Kerry? WHY? Suppose Saudia Arabia or Some orher Arab state is footing the bill?
sure didn’t they get a grant from the Ishlamic Shtate. Quite a large amount of money earmarked for the islamisation of Ireland project due to our massive strategic importance and significance on the world stage. And sure by Isa didn’t our culture get very decadent for a while there and all, we needed to be taken down a few pegs.
I’m sure once Tralee falls to Islam it’s only a matter of time til Killarney topples and then Munster after that. We’ll have our very own Caliphornia.
Pass the dutchie Oscar you’re hogging it
Gus yes a mosque in fact we have have a new mosque in killarney.. Town Centre…
You are very lucky that you live in a place where you have experienced total unfriendliness by the extremist…..been to Tunisia and Morocco etc….and these crazy lunatics from ISIS are brainwashing and forcing women back to the Stone Age. There are crazy things in the bible that Christians realise are ignorant and bigoted eg being gay….wake up.
These lunatics are running and destroying the beautiful peaceful countries of North Africa with their hate. Why such a big mosque for 1500 people in a whole county?
Why?
Such a big mosque? Its due to cater for 200 people, far fewer than the 1500 Muslims living in the county.
North Africa has been predominantly Muslim for the last millenium and a half. The lunatics you are talking about are a modern phenonemon, whose biggest victims, and most voracious opponents tend to be of the Muslim faith themselves.
Yes Peadar, not Islamist by choice, look up sudan, Islam was imposed by swords, still is in parts (Isis)
Watch the devil came on horseback
Destroying? They are done. North Africa is full of racism and superstition, sexist. Thanks to religion.
Peadar you’re taking the p1zz? Muslims have slaughtering wholesale since their inception. Read up on how many Indians they’ve murdered.
the saudi arabian’s that are bombing the shia in yemen? arming Daesh? 9/11? and the same saudi arabia that has most of the western democratically elected governments in there pocket… mmmmm makes ya wonder.. Islam is like cancer.. 1 mosque today.. 10yrs hundreds of them… half a million muslims…BARENAKEDISLAM.COM…Tell evreyone about this cancer…Join identity Ireland.. b4 its to late
I remember when they started coming here first some years back they “demanded ” that all Nativity plays in our childrens schools be cancelled , religious statues were to be removed , th koran was to be the topmost book in our libraries etc, , oh yes , they tried to fit in alright.
I remember the parish priest demanding lots of crap from the altar too. I remember his curate was a child rapist and there was a few rapists blackmailing kids into sex acts in the school down the road, across from the drunk bishop who turned a blind eye to it all.
Disgusted that an Irish branch of Pediga exists. Eid Mubarak to all the Muslims living in Ireland.
There is way to much Islamaphobia going around. I think people are worried over nothing.
just look at the problems France and other European countries are facing Ireland has changed so much in the last 10 years and not all for the better
Castalla
The Muslim population in Ireland aren’t causing any trouble and I doubt they will. But if they do just round them up and deport them.
I think all religions are an insult to intelligence and Islam is the worst of the lot. I don’t respect it or any other religion with a book of fairy stories that people endlessly drone on about. I really hope the mosque isn’t built and that people grow up and turn to humanism or atheism instead. Humanly is better off without this insanity.
I think the way that Muslims have integrated into Irish society is a model for other countries. It appears that for once we have learned from our neighbours experience. Hopefully it will continue.
I can’t square the view of denouncing the “spread of islam” with zero mention of pediga’s far right views. I’m kind of surprised that they only mention pediga in the article without pointing out what they represent.
Wake up wait till they make up a larger part of the irish community. .. They will take over …
France’s problems stem from their colonial past you donk
The same colonial past that, shared with Britain, has lead to many of todays problems and conflicts in the middle east.
*cough* Syria *cough* Israel/Palestine *cough* Iran *cough*
@Aoife Abushaqra
Perhaps a Irish branch of PEDIGA should exist, do you have a problem with free speech ?
Oscar – how so? What has the actions of a gov/ country decades ago got to do with shooting cartoonists dead, for example?
The Jeff, she never said she had a problem with that. It seems that many of the people here however have a problem with freedom if religion
Martin Byrne, well said sir.
@Sean Gallagher
“Disgusted that an Irish branch of Pediga “exists”" @Aoife Abushaqra… I think she did.
As for freedom of religion.. I don’t think many people have a problem with it unless it involves imposing your view of the world because a god or tooth fairy told you & other human rights abuse’s (whats islam position on woman,gays,nonbelievers, christians, & cartoonist these days) ? Or perhaps just waking up the neighbours at 6am with a annoying call to pray every morning !.. very bad for relations with the neighbours
I have a problem with incitement of hatred against members of society
aoife abushaqra, if you’re so disgusted leave, go and live in a muslim country, I’m sure you’ll have all the same rights you enjoy here and be treated as an equal, Ohh wait you won’t..
@Aoife Abushaqra
“incitement of hatred against members of society” ??? have you read the Quran ?..
Our don’t you believe the parts about Death to the unbelievers & anyone wants out of this religion death to them too & absolutly No to cartoons etc.. If you believe in what you are saying you couldn’t be a Muslim .
Actually why are you allow talk to me doesn’t the holy book say Qur’an (2:228) – “and the men are a degree above them [women]” :-)
Congrats on reading an English translation of the Quran/google searching with no understanding of the context in which it was presented and feeling as though you can tell me what Islam is all about.
You must have skipped the bit where it mentions “To you your religion and to to me mine.”
No mention of me not being allowed to talk to men other than my husband either (who by your account must also be a malpracticing Muslim as he allows me to drive a car and leave the house with my hair on show…)
And regarding the cartoons “etc” (love the blatant generalization of your knowledge on Islam) it is not permitted to portray any of the prophets including Moses, Jesus (yes we believe in him!!) because we risk worshipping them over God.
@Aoife Abushaqra
So are you saying the Quran (2:228) doesn’t say that ?… “the men are a degree above them [women]” what does it say then ?. what is the “context”.. ??
Perhaps you a la carte catholic Muslim… ? & just going along with it
But then perhaps I should really be asking a man in any case as your word can’t be trusted according to the book
Qur’an (2:282) – (Court testimony) “And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women.” Seem very clear
But last word on the matter too Aisha From the Hadith
Muslim (4:1039) – “A’isha said [to Muhammad]: ‘You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses’” These are the words of Muhammad’s favorite wife, complaining of the role assigned to women under Islam.
“it is not permitted to portray any of the prophets including Moses, Jesus” By Who ? You !… & what you going to do if i want to knock out a few cartnoons
His favorite wife. Did he tell you that personally? The Hadith also mention that a woman should not pluck her eyebrows. There are literally thousands of Hadith and no not all Muslims follow them.
The Quran is our book and smear its name as much as you like but yours is only one of many interpretations and assuredly one not one I credit.
I am not an a la carte Muslim. Certainly not an a la carte “Catholic Muslim” whatever that is,
Feel free to draw whatever cartoons you like, you seem to be a very passionate cartoonist or passionate about getting your point of view across anyway.
I respect the beliefs of others Christian, Jewish. Buddhists whatever by not blaspheming about them.
@Aoife Abushaqra
Why can’t you answer the question ?… scary to question your believe or not allowed too ?..
After all the Quran is the word of god, Quran (2:228) / Qur’an (2:282) can’t be Wrong, Right ?
Jeff,
There is a Catholic church near me which does the same – where is the outrage over that, poxy bells wake me very morning.
Additionally, this mosque is asking for planning permission in a Business Park, very few people being woken up there.
The Sharia Law issue is a total red herring, yes there are some extreme factions within Islam and that should be addressed, but this continuous objection to and rejection of Muslims helps to radicalise normal people, ISIS and other groups are partially born out of this.
You can’t get upset when you treat them this poorly that they need to HOPE to be allowed to build places of worship in business parks and they end up not liking it.
@Sean Gallagher
2 wrongs (bells/calls etc) do not make it right..
Also what church in Dublin rings its bells in the morning ? at 6.30 AM ?.. most of us are out of bed by 12.00.. Sean.. :-)
The ones that integrated were by and large professional…..this new crop will be very different. Look at the amount of hajab and burkas etc cropping up in Cork and Dublin. As a female I feel very uncomfortable with this.
It’s either monks or nuns and it is half 6.
What I’m getting at is, you can’t make a fuss about it for one and not for another when it’s the same end result – people being woken and for one it’s Catholicism and the other Islam.
yes – typical TAQEEYA ..”we believe in Jesus ” . I believe in Muhammad too …that he was a warrior . Do you believe Jesus as God ? No . Did you know that the constitution of Ireland has submission to the Holy Trinity – if you are Irish do you accept this ? So what do you make of Sura 8:12 ?
Sahih International
[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”
Sorry if you knew your history. Before colonisation these places weren’t very peaceful……yeah 100 years ago they killed each other with swords and riffles…..they bigger weapons now…..can I as an ordinary person be blamed for this…….like slavery….the slave traders existed in the Middle East far before the Europeans joined the slave runs…..
Get off the anti-Islam soapbox TheJeff. What’s the RC’s stance on gays .etc? When it comes to religions pushing an agenda in this country, Islam is bottom of the list. There’s nothing in this article that would suggest that, they merely want to build a place to worship…ye know, so they’re doing it in private, in a place dedicated to that purpose, keeping it out of schools and off your streets.
We should hope other religions in this country were as good at it.
Hypothetically like….how does a punter join Perdiga?
Sorry Jeff but some organizations should not have free speech…
The call to prayer is for me noise pollution. Making a racket at 04:30 should be resisted . If a person wants to get up at 04:30 then they should set an alarm or they can also put a prayer app on their phone. Religion is personal and people have a right to practice it as long it does not affect the rights of others.
They have said they won’t do the call to prayer.
@Oscar Brophy,
Boy, are you in for a shock, you seem to think Ronan Mullin has extreme views; what do you think these Muslims think about gay marriage.
I think making the assumption all muslims have a hardline stance on gheys is like saying all Christians (or Cultural Christians like you and I) share Mullins’ views.
@Oscar Brophy,
I think you are one of these people who never went out into the world and think it is full of benign nice people.
See what the Islamicization of Bradford or the EastEnd have done to the heritage of these places, and you would not wish it upon the good people of Tralee.
gheys??????
“Islamicization” What fun new words you keep pulling out your hole. Areas change. Demographics change. Nothing is permanent. Everyone alive on this planet right now will be dead in ~120 years. Chill out, have a beer and a smoke.
Ronan Mullins views would be very liberal in the average Mosque in Ireland.
@Oscar Brophy,
“Everyone alive on this planet right now will be dead in ~120 years.”, folks we have a genius in our midst, I bet no one realised that.
As Basil Fawlty once said you should go on Mastermind.
Specialist subject: the bleedin obvious.
Epic quip m8. Basically I’m saying sometimes there’s no point clingling on to stuff like the dempgraphics of an area. In the long run, what does it matter?
They want to invade Ireland with their Muslim values and Muslim culture and make it look like the UK, there is nothing left of the UK! I don’t know how people of Kerry can tolerate this. Next they will want a marriage referendum to be able to have 4 wives!
there’s loads left of the UK
Oscar, I think you’ve lost this debate, Dublin is overrun with them every Friday the SCR resembles little Karachi.
Ah sure no one’s ever going to win this debate. If I wanted to change my mind (or anyone elses fo that matter) re:Islam the Journal comments section is the last place I’d come to do it.
How about a Digital Call to Prayer: Broadcasted via the internet to the smartphones of those that choose to listen to it?
I know…too much like a compromise…never work
Alarm Clocks. ffs. alarm clocks.
It says clearly in the article that there is no intention to have a call to prayer.
Yet Tony, yet. This how it started in the UK. Where a mosque is built, naturally, more Muslims move to the surrounding area. It could take 10 years, but that mosque will be calling to prayer.
The current imam will move on, the next guy will be hardline. Even if he’s told not to have the call to prayer he’ll have it. He’ll cite the large Muslim population in the surrounding area and how it is his right and the right of all Muslims to have it.
Name one EU country where it hasn’t happened?
“Name one EU country where it hasn’t happened?”
Ireland
“For the last 20 years there has been a mosque in Clonskeagh in Dublin with a minaret and there is no call to prayer”
Glad I could dissuade you of this groundless fear!!
James – which is EXACTLY why what we should be doing is telling our politicians that we need complete separation of church and state. Out blasphemy law allows crazy stoning religions to point at what we regard as a civilised nation and say “look, you have a blasphemy law”. This law has already been pointed at by a muslim lawyer in Ireland while he threatened to use it if any newspapers published the first Charlie Hebdo cover after they re-opened.
If we get completely rid of the interference of ANY religion in our daily lives then we can apply the same rules to every religion. There should be no religion specific schools for example.
I completely agree Tony
I wrote a big explanation but either my submission is delayed or was reviewed not found to be PC enough by the Journal staff
Thejournal prevents comments which include certain words. Why they can’t just &*^% the word, I don’t know….
Overall, what gets me about these stories is that people seem to rush to the comment section to say things that expose that they obviously haven’t read the article. Then, of course there are multiple layers of duplicity…..
Many don’t want any religion in Ireland, but you have to accept that you can’t change belief. Many moan about a call to prayer that isn’t for them while ignoring that the majority religion in Ireland has it’s own call to prayer. Many moan about sharia law – so separate religion from law completely and don’t allow any religious court of any kind to think that it has any jurisdiction unless the accused wishes to submit to it.
TBH, I’m certain that there is just fear ruling people and it’s manifesting itself in pretty nasty ways.
Where would the funding for this building come from does anyone know?
Where does the funding of any religious building come from?
Its all about numbers folks, the dilution of Irish life is ongoing slowly, a small number of Muslim family’s in an area will accept local norms, as the number grows the tolerance lowers until the numbers mean that local norms have to conform to their pont of view. A life under the shadow of Sharia is not a happy place, certain parts of the UK are a good guide for this. We need secularism not religious dominance.
Keep your religion to yourself. Practice it in your home. Yes practice that bats**t invisible man stuff in your own house. Make no mistake, this is a slow process. As much as I hate all religions, this one doesn’t just stop at coexisting. Eventually they will want more rights, have their own laws in place and try and impose what they believe in you. If you resist, you are an enemy to Mohammed. The sooner religion goes away, the better chance we will have at not going extinct
Think it was mentioned earlier, if a Catholic Church were to be built in their wacky land it would be blown to bits. Why should we let them even into our country their all nuts. Simple as…
Well that’s an informed and well thought out generalisation that never made me want to comment about how stupid it is!!
them pesky Muslims,………. slowly but surely covering are country with a burqa.
1500 Muslims and you build a mosque in the entire county. More must plan on coming. In England, mosques were built and the Muslim population rapidly increased to the area around the mosques eg Bradford, Birmingham etc
Sorry hijab
Don’t do it Kerry, try building a church in their country….
“Islam is the motherload of bad ideas” – Sam Harris
Awarding planning permission for any building that is specifically designed to practice one form religious ideology is like building a permanent version of Santa’s grotto. It gives credibilty to a set of unproven ideas and publicly states that “this is ok”. The level at which someone practices Islam (or Christianity, Judaism etc) is relevant, but only in the same way as someone can be a passive football fan or a die-hard-go-to-every-game type of fan. If you define yourself as Muslim, Catholic, Jewish or Mormon, you are saying that you believe in certain things that are just untrue, cruel and wrong.
Just as bad are the à la carte practitioners who think that because they voted for gay marriage or other liberal ideals (which go against the teachings of your particular faith) because “shur times have changes”, that this is also ok? You either believe in something or you don’t, otherwise you’re just a hypocrite.
Awarding planning permission for this mosque would be a terrible idea, just as the decision to erect a crucifix in Kerry County Council’s office in Tralee was a terrible idea.
Where the Muslims are not happy:
They’re not happy in Gaza.
They’re not happy in Egypt.
They’re not happy in Libya.
They’re not happy in Morocco.
They’re not happy in Iran.
They’re not happy in Iraq.
They’re not happy in Yemen.
They’re not happy in Afghanistan.
They’re not happy in Pakistan.
They’re not happy in Syria.
They’re not happy in Lebanon.
They’re not happy in Indonesia.
So, where are they happy?
They’re happy in Australia.
They’re happy in England.
They’re happy in France.
They’re happy in Italy.
They’re happy in Germany.
They’re happy in Sweden.
They’re happy in the USA.
They’re happy in Norway.
They’re happy in almost every country that is not Islamic!
And who do they blame [for their unhappiness]?
Not Islam…not their leadership…not themselves… They blame the countries in which they are HAPPY! And they want to change the countries in which they’re happy, to be like the countries they came from, where they were unhappy.
Try to find logic in that.
I don’t get all this anymore – the whole point of immigration is that you are being let into a new country to you for whatever reason with the sole purpose to integrate – that means probably you should learn the language and adapt to the lifestyle – I don’t care bout Any religion so keep your religion even – but don’t force that shit on others – building a mosque is exactly this – Ireland just finally parted with medieval catholism and now that Islam bull is creeping up – just google how many mosques have been built in Germany and how many radicals have been preached to – Bonn bad godesberg – comes to mind – check images and you see that it’s built like a fortress
I’m agin it!!!!
They should be just told no end of story. its about time we stand up for ourselve.
No way should they have a call to prayer no way, this is a catholic country, they tried to stop our Angela’s bells going a few years back, they are bulling people in the UK about wearing short skirts and that, People had an English flag up coz there was a match on, they wanted her to take down the flag it was offensive to them to have it up, in her own country to do that, it will be the same here, they are trying to bring in Syria low in some parts of London, they have what’s called Muslim patrol groups going around shouting at people step away from our masque in them clothes, I have some Muslim friends but I don’t care they should not have a call to prayer in the country, when your in there country you must obey there rules should be the same here, if a don’t like it go home or move on,
The same people that p!ss and moan about Muslims are some of the very same people that support Obama, a Muslim.
You Sir, are an Inuit!
An Idiot Inuit that is
Nope,they don’t like Obama either because he’s a ‘libtard’ or something.
No need to be insulting Buckwheat. Play the ball. If you can’t debate the comment then say nothing.
Obama isn’t Muslim and the fact you claim that just illustrates how much weight we should give to anything else you say. I see women covered from head to toe, not allowed to drive, married as teenagers, slaves essentially, in Dublin 8. You might think that’s not a problem. I think it’s sick.
Wow Glenard, I thought you were one of the sensible ones. Any evidence to back up your claims?
Glenard , I thought you were being sarcastic at first, sadly I was wrong, there is a slow Muslim invasion of Europe happening 10 – 20 thousand of them daily pouring in from Africa and Asia
Glenard did you not see Obama singing amazing grace, it was terrible and hilarious
lool at the U.K. give these people an inch and it will turn into miles after a while they will be completely intolerant of our own ppl and demand that we accomidate them. They should be given nothing here at all. yet the politicians of the Dail will do whatever they want and in years to come there will be no way to reverse the troubles, sharia law areas etc etc
I do not see what the big problem is , if they were building a church no one would mind . The idea that every Muslim in Kerry is going to start chasing you around forcing their religion on you as soon as this mosque is built is ridiculous . It’s not Armageddon , get a grip .
eimear you do realise of course that it started in Britain with only one mosque, same in France, their ideology is to spread Islam to the non believers
It started with Rome with one church and next thing you know those bloody christians are everywhere!
A local pig farmer should sneak in some night and bury a pig or two on the proposed site. For some completely ridiculous reason this results in them not wanting to build there anymore. Something to do with mo-ham-head or some such.
Ignorant
My dog was waiting for me in the door of a butchers and this 6ft Muslim bloke wouldn’t come in in case he’d touch him.
Churches are allowed in the middle east. name the countries that dont allow churches and name the ones that does. So if you people start saying mosques arent allowed to be built then you are no better than the country that you all are criticising all the time.
So much for an open minded people. grow up no one is slapping your hand and no one is taking your money.
@Tazz Taz
The Saudi Arabian government has passed a law that imposes the death penalty on people caught smuggling Bibles into it. There are no church buildings and house churches are raided; Christians risk arrest, imprisonment, lashing, deportation and sometimes torture.
Try were a Jesus save t-shirt the next time you visit Saudi !…
http://www.opendoorsuk.org/persecution/worldwatch/saudi_arabia.php
Its a sad indictment of western politics that we tolerate the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. It shows that in the end its all about money. Why not apply sanctions against Saudi until it changes its ways. We won’t because 1, oil and 2, its anti isis and anti Iran
@TheJeff, there are around 1.5 million Christians living in Saudi, around 1 million are Catholic. While the crackdown on the Bible may seem harsh, it stems from the 2004 report of desecration of the Quran in Guantanamo. Saudi Arabia is as fanatical about keeping its Islamic religion pure as Ireland was in the 50s and before.
There is a very complicated relationship between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, in Arabic countries. Remember Islam was only founded in the 7th century, in fact the first of the Prophets followers faced Jerusalem to pray. The Christian Arab name for God is Allah, which can confuse some. Even better the Arab name for Jesus, recognised as a prophet of as much importance as Ibrahim, is Isa, pronounced as we do in Irish, Iosa.
All these religions believe in the same God, just differ on the worshipping of him.
As for persecution, Israel caused hundreds of thousands of Christians to flee their homes in 1948, and again in 1963, 1967, and1990s they desecrated churches. Purely because of the help they receive from Christian countries they tolerate Christianity, however trying to turn a Jew to Christianity can get you 5 years in prison, and a Jew who turns can be imprisoned for a minimum of 3 years.
Sorry read planning conditions attached to churches in Middle East.
TheJeff – if you want to compare like for like, there are no mosques in the Vatican State.
Just saying
Jeff Christians are under constant persecution across the Middle East and in Africa, do you seriously expect there’d be provisions made to be tolerant to Christians elsewhere once demands begin for Sharia? Religion should be a choice and moreover the spread of any religion should never be encouraged actively
Multiculturalism is wonderful stuff?
Are we going to get a referendum on it?
I live in a town where the Church bell rings out every hour, 24 hours a day, and as I live on a street called Church Street, guess how used I’ve had to get to that?
I have no problem with religion, as long as it’s not in my face constantly. I’ve lived in a place where lots of Muslims were the norm, we got on very well, in fact I counted some of them among my friends. I didn’t push my non-religious fervour onto them, they didn’t push their religious fervour onto me, although we did have lively discussions on the origin of religion, the existence of God, and whether God existed before humans.
So a mosque, no problem, call to prayer, no problem, as long as it’s not a deafening roar.
Peace be to you all.
one of the few level-headed people commenting here. Good man yourself.
Religious tolerance is usually very easy, except in the case of Islam where generally Olympic effort is required not to tell them to cop on and f*** off……
I can’t figure out if this thread is an example of Irish bigotry or xenophobia.
Its neither… It’s a thread for Islamaphobia.. and of course Irish common sense in which you are in very short supply of
Muslims are not the boogey man we are all supposed to think they are. Muslims replace the boogey man of the Warsaw pact that disappeared at the end of the cold war. The problem is that ordinary Muslims, who are no different from the rest of us, are finding they are becoming more and more isolated from society. Where does that leave them to turn to?
Perhaps a story is in order. I was walking through Tralee late one night last year. I see three men leave a pub, a bit steamed. They flag down a taxi – one leans to the window, and upon seeing the driver was from Africa he told him to drive on. As he took off, he said to his friends, “There’s no way I’m getting in a taxi with a black c(rhymes with shunt)!”
These are the type of people who would object to a mosque being built in Tralee.
A brown person with an Irsh accent isn’t as funny as you might think Stephen.
Don’t want their call to prayer, but we bang ours out from the airwaves at 12 and 6?!
Very few bells now. If you heard the call to prayer you’d remember it.
See my comment below; not all Catholic Churches have limited their Calls to Prayer to 12 Noon & 6pm.
(And I’d wager those that have ring their bells out at a similar rate to the one I’ve intimated/mentioned…..do Catholic Churches have P.P. to do this I wonder?)
Of course if Kerry County Council strike out the P.P. on the basis of the Calls to Prayer, couldn’t it be argued it’s Religious discrimination?
Righty o! Silence the local church bells too! No more Angelus, no more clocks striking, no more bells to call people to Mass! Equality rules!
Why the need for bedrooms I wonder? I can’t imagine having a lie down after mass in the church. I get the idea of a dining hall to seat 200, but why the beds for local Muslims?
I have no issue with anyone privately praying regardless of how backward the faith they subscribe to is however the growth of Islam in Ireland should be concerning to anyone. In terms of publicly calling to prayer, the faith is deeply predatory and opressive and incompatible with a western European democracy.
The current house of prayer is 10 minutes from my house and I pass by it everyday. The people who go there are ordinary decent people, a lot of them work in the hospital nearby who treat the sick and work damn hard and long hours. I have no problem with a mosque being built and regards funding I am sure that like any religion money is allocated for this.
The local Muslim community often host information evenings on their culture, foods, history which all people are welcome to attend and they usually host these with local Irish community groups to encourage Irish people to find out more and as a way for people to mix with each other who would ordinarily never cross paths.
The new proposed site is a few minutes away and I have no problem with it as long as the call to prayer is not played out into the public airwaves, no religion should be allowed with this as you will always discriminate or offend someone which is totally understandable. We should embrace different cultures as a more inclusive society benefits everyone. The way some people act we should be like North Korea and close the doors and shut up shop to keep everyone away from our little land!
I heard you have to play football 7 times a day in Kerry or your made walk to mass in a cork Jersey singing the BANKS.
I live in a town where on the hour, for the amount of times for that hour the church bells ring and it’s in a residential area too.
So at 4 in the morning it rings 4 Times for example. DIsturbs peoples sleep.
At 12 Noon? It rings 30 Times! Thirty!
At 6? 18 Times!
Why the extra? Cos the Angelus rings 3 time x 3 Bells & then it tolls 9 Times so a total of 18 Times for that alone after the 12 & 6 Bells’ve rang out.
That to me constitutes a call to prayer in itself (esp. at 12/6; none of this reflection balderdash as people have previously excused the Angelus for on RTE for example)
As for Funerals? The bells can be ringing for 30 mins. as the cortege focks off; the person is in the grave & it’s still ringing!
If Catholic Churches don’t have to apply for P.P. to do this then why should Mosques have to be subject to same?
If Kerry County Council have permitted or turned a blind eye to churches in Tralee or even Killarney, Dingle etc. ringing their bells during the day, no matter how often, then they’ve created a precedent legally from a P.P. p.o.v. and haven’t a leg to stand on here.
For this reason alone (but I also support the construction of Mosques in Ireland and wish there was one where I lived for the local Islam population) I am backing this project.!
This will obviously receive dozens of red thumbs but I don’t care.
It is made quite clear in this article that there won’t be a call to prayer at this mosque yet people still spout out well learned rubbish about the call to prayer. Church bells ringing are quite loud too in case people haven’t noticed.
I do think mosques should be monitored for potential terroist activity but scaremongering about Islam taking over the entire world is ridiculous. Anyone who thinks this is stupid and watches too much sky news.
I agree all religions should be kept behind closed doors not in anybody’s face that includes church bells calls to any types of prayer and public worshipping
This is a planning decision and nothing to do with whether you like / agree with religion or not. If its is in-line with proper planning and the local development plan and building regulations etc., grant planning permission and condition out an external public address system.
If we can have the angelus, surely they can have the call to prayer?
Both are equally annoying to people who are not involved.
anything that silences the Healy raes is welcome even momentarily
a bell instead of the call to prayer. sorted
This is not Saudai Arabia, we dont need this noise here
How about having a bell rather than a call? They can use mobile phones now to text message them?
I Saw no Muslim kick up a fuss when the catholic church’s bell rings throughout the day
Yes they did kick up a fuss a few years about our Angela’s bells going off, they wanted them stopped.
BS POR – I know of NO muslim who suggested that. Proof please
“For the last 20 years there has been a mosque in Clonskeagh in Dublin with a minaret and there is no call to prayer, so saying there is going to be a call to prayer in Tralee is just scaremongering”
Fair play! Now tell that to Christchurch or St Patricks…. now that’s noise pollution!
Our government bends backwards for them, and does f##k all for the citizens, except rob, tax us and lie..so f##k all of them to the pits of hell.. people power!!!
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