Women always leave the seat down.
Bloody nuisance.

It’s harmless when it’s toys though, right Garwig? Toys and toilets are different things.

Peeping Toms and the likes is what is wrong with gender neutral toilets..Crazy world. Can you imagine your 12 year daughter at the mall going into the same bathroom with a full grown unknown pedophile. And he’s peeing in the stall next to hers?! Scary

sure if everything is gender neutral why not go the whole hog.? because there is a difference between boys and girls. Men have a role to play in society, women have a role to play in society. Equality can be attained without confusing young children

@larrissa Very immature comment

@Garwig

Why exactly is my comment immature, would you care to elaborate?

Toilets need to be segregated ‘for safety reasons’

It’s just friggin amazing to me that it’s not a gender bias for women to propagate a stereotype that men are innate sexual predators who need to be kept away from women less they attack or leer at them in states of partial undress.

But as a man to suggest that girls or boys may have different interests with regards to toys is makes me a chauvinistic male, pig propagating a somehow harmful stereotype.

and people wonder why there are low numbers of women in some careers. It’s because from an early age they’re though that it’s a mans job. Just like people chuckle atva male nurse. It’s absolutely pathetic. Nice straw man with the paedophile scenario by the way.

I hate the amount of international usually american PC marketing drivel in our media these days , Target don’t even have stores in Ireland , there are plenty of stories and issues in Ireland that Irish media like the journal should write about , reproducing a bunch of waffle with stuff like ‘guests of our store tell us this and guests say that , we don’t call even call shoppers in Ireland guests , we call them customers , this is just lazy cut and paste journalism reprinting american garbage

you know what they say Larrissa don’t argue with fools, as they bring you down to their level then beat you on experience. So I’m not gonna argue with you for that reason, if you can’t see your error you can live in ignorance.

spot on Drew

drew , I mentioned safety reasons interesting how you automatically assumed I was referring to men , I never said a thing about men

@suzie

But why do toilets need to be separated for safety reasons? Do you and your husband use different toilets? Have you got one toilet for female visitors to your house and one for male visitors?

@Larissa.
Home >Private space.>Controlled environment.
Shops >Public space. >Uncontrolled environment.
Concentrate for a few moments.
Eventually you’ll grasp it.

(Hope I’m nor being too optimistic there)

Larissa , that’s a bit silly now

jack , spot on !

Suzie, you’ll also notice that Drew didn’t mention you either but was probably referring to the comment by somebody else that did assign a gender to that danger

You’re of course right… Both sexes need protecting. A unscrupulous gold digging she-devil might find herself alone in a restroom with a man and see herself in a he-said/she said situation and a few crocodile tears on the stand away from a payout…

music festival = public space = uncontrolled environment.

true Dave , but just in case it was directed at me , I replied because I said those words too .

Garwig you don’t need to argue with larissa – your comments to date have been most illuminating as to your intellectual maturity. And for the record, my role to play in society does not preclude me from housework and a woman’s role in society does not preclude her from military service.

music festivals have a lot more foot flow than the usually toilets in public places

easy, don’t send kids to toilets alone. also you didn’t say the same thing. you just made an assumption and fired without considering that it may not be about you.

*usual*

who said it did? I fully contribute to the upkeep of my house as both myself and the wife work. I see my wife as my equal yet we both have different roles when it comes to rearing our children, as nature intended.

For you Graham. just because I don’t fit into your view of the world doesn’t mean I’m wrong. Girls are girls and boys are boys, no matter what you do that fact can never be changed.

dave , I actually did say that , if you scroll up the page you will see that I said ” for safety reasons ” .

Wow Garwig. what an indisputable piece of logic there. Take a bow.

So basically what, you don’t want to have to change dirty nappies and you’ll use nature as your cheap assed excuse?

Suzie: surely if a toilet is quiet enough that a man could attack a woman without fear of being interrupted, he could still do this by just walking into the women’s jacks regardless?

guy , very true but the way it is at the moment , if you see a man in the women’s toilets , surely you’d question why ?

He could be in there accompanying his little daughter, he could be there, because the male toilet is closed or disgustingly dirty, there could be all kind of reasons, non which would in any way endanger your safety, Suzie

@graham So who said I don’t change nappies..? Another Presumptuon on your part the same as many others on here. I have a full role in the domestic duties in my house a im fully happy with that. while we both work my wife is the bread winner. We are a fully modern and equal household, yet we BOTH acknowledge that Boys will become men and girls will become women. We have been blessed with two boys and a girl and will raise them accordingly. It’s quite ok to be Different yet Equal. You are clearly confused. All children should have to play with the simplest of toys from day one, Do you rememner that one where the Square peg fits the square hole and the round fits the round, trying to fit round pegs in square holes Just doesn’t work at all and never will. this is just a fact you can’t accept.

Suzie you didn’t mention gender which means his comment clearly wasn’t about you.

dave , yet drew replied to my comment when I answered his ?

Suzie, he replied to you as you seemed to think he was referring to your comment as naming men as the problem.

dave , u never said anything said anything or referred to men at all . he quoted what I said as in ‘ safety reasons ‘ toy are like a dog with a bone , it’s really not that important unless of course you are dave / drew ?

when was that said? just means that toys like a Fisher price workshop or hairdressers set won’t be in separate sections. Ever wonder why there are very few female engineers or trades people? Because from an early age any interest in that kind of thing is met with either direct or indirect “that’s for boys” signs

@the jynx

Care to elaborate what would be so horrible about a boy playing with dolls and a girl playing with toy trucks?

@dave – very thin argument dave very thin. Unless there is an army of engineers you know of who secretly crave to be hairdressers or vice versa.

You’ve now invented an army. there are men working as nurses who’s jobs are stigmatised. there are women working as engineers who’s jobs are stigmatised. quite frankly you’ve just taken a leap from me saying we shouldn’t stigmatise jobs to a large militarised group of hairdressing engineers.

Sorry Dave but you are talking the greatest load of nonsense. Kids tend to gravitate towards whatever interests them. They havent been brainwashed at all and they tend not to be biased.

However you do seem to have invested heavily into the notion that the world and all odds are stacked heavily against women. They are not, certainly not in this country anyway. Toy shops like any good business sell what the masses want rather than influence what kids want. Business doesnt work like that. Most girls instinctively tend to like dolls and boys trucks and diggers etc. That is a fact.

The reason this is a debate is because a minority of kids fall into a more gender fluid space and will like both male and female things. There is nothing wrong with this at all but equally there is nothing wrong with marketing a toy as a boys toy because the majority of a toy manufacturer market is boys.

GunsGerms: if what you say is true, the kids with stereotypical interests will still get their boys and girls toys and the kids who are less traditional get theirs without prescriptive signage. There isn’t a downside anywhere, nobody is forcing anyone to stop playing with certain toys, just to stop thinking of toys in terms of THIS IS FOR A BOY and THIS IS FOR A GIRL.

What’s the problem?

@Dave you need to go have a craft beer, trim your beard and lie down.. too much PC patrol for one day.

Oh my, have I been stereotyped? I don’t have a beard as my Guinness would stick to it.

Mr statistics, what gender are most victims?

He wouldn’t be a happy Jack for long, he turn into a happy Jacqueline !!!

Pud: so what if he did?

Guy. So what if he didn’t ?

You’re the one that said he would Pud

Hanging around with girls makes you want to turn into one?
Somebody better tell David Attenborough to pack it in with the animals or he’ll be pooping outside and there’ll be no getting sense from him!!

Teddies can come in all different colours

Science kits are neutral.
Dolls are not.
Why would a normal boy want to play with a doll?
If my son started playing with dolls I’d bring him straight to the psychiatrist.
Bad sign.
You need to root out these aberrations of behaviour before they become embedded.

What exactly is wrong with a boy playing with a doll?

@Jack

You must be on heck of a parent, I pity any child of your’s

It’s all PC nonsense

ah jack is just looking to stir things up this morning , that’s all

@Larissa.
I have one child, a five year old daughter. She’s mad about me, I’m mad about her.
Would love a boy though.
I’d teach him how to fish, camp outdoors, use a knife, shoot, fight, play football, ride a motor bike, be a smart kid not an idiot all his life.
All the things my dad taught me.
And one thing’s for certain. He’d know his gender identity. No PC nonsense screwing up his head.

Right on Jack, boys should be boys. don’t confuse them with this shi¥e. my boys will be reared the same and my girl will be reared different, yet all my children will be equal in my house and will have the same opportunities. Funny how I will be criticised now for raising my family in this manner the way it has always been.

@Jaques

What if you had a boy, and he did not want to go fishing or camp outdoors, and rather do ballet than play football

Exactly.
Some lunatics on here think equality means creating a society of transgender humanoids.
Nutters I call them.

raised different but treated equal? ask them about that in 20 years. Jack, so you won’t teach your girl how to fish?use a knife etc? because she’s a girl? you’ll willfully not share things that you enjoy with your child just because she’s a girl?

@Larissa.
‘Ballet?’
Prancing around in tights and a tutu?
My kid?
No fcuking way.

@Dave.
Chastity has a mum too you know.
She can teach her girls stuff. That’s her job.

Why not teach your daughter those things too?

@Sinead.
Pointless.
Very little call for frontiers women these days.

@Jaques

So, even if your daughter would want you to teach her fishing, handling a knife, or play football, you wouldn’t?

But Jaques… He could be the next Barishsakohv!!!

jack , I so love the name ! lol

so her mother will teach her self defense as that’s more of a girl thing? very little call from frontiers people at all jack.

Yes, my girl will know she’s a girl and not conform to this PC brigade nonsense. She has come fishing with me funny enough. She will have the exact same educational and inheritance rights as the boys. She will know she is equal yet she will also know she is feminine and not be ashamed of that. The boys will be brought up to know they are boys and someday will be MEN and not to ever be ashamed of that fact. They will be thought to be strong and pillars of their family’s whilst protecting the femininity of their wives and daughters. Their Role. Nature Made them that way and I will reinforce that upon them, if they chose different it won’t be down to me en our aging them to become sometime they are not.

what if a boy wants to grow up to be a woman?

what if he wants to be a rabbit?

children often play as animals. it’s not to be discouraged.

perhaps but there’s a big difference between playing as something versus becoming something your not. play is just fantasy.

“Play is just fantasy”

So if it’s just fantasy, what’s the problem with a boy playing with a doll, or a girl playing with lego?

so do you discourage children for playing as the opposite gender?

I never have discouraged them from anything I tend to lead by example as mimicry is the biggest form.of flattery, but I also don’t force them to be ashamed of being the Sex they were born and to acknowledge the distinctive differences between men and women. I cook clean and spend a lot of time with my kids that does not mean I’m feminine as I do these things, food has to be prepped and things have to be cleaned. but they still know men are men and women are women, as nature Made them

Play is indeed fantasy that builds and nurtures creativity and imagination. Boys do play with dolls – action man, GI Joe. I hated dolls and always played with Lego, mechano, scalextric and hot wheels. Lived climbing trees and learned archery and became quite proficient at fencing (with swords not garden dividers). Last time I looked I was still very much female, no gender issues at all.

But Molly, how dare you! Did you not read Garwig’s comments, you should only have played with dolls and maybe toy cookery sets, you can’t be female any more, you clearly are infected with some nasty male germs, for daring to play with LEGO and hot wheels

@larissa you have confirmed your earlier status. I never said any of that was wrong and I have brought my daughter fishing and climbed trees with her. She too plays with Lego. My son loves to play with the kitchen and cook meals. Your so wrapped up in your ignorance that you cant see past any of that. I have stated this gender Neutrality is complete B###ox. My daughter will never be encouraged to think she can become a man and my son’s will never be encouraged to think they can become women. They will be aware of the Gender nature assigned them and will be encouraged to fill that role whilst being equal with others. They will be warned of people like you who seek to pervert the course of Nature and confuse future generations. As you see Molly has done all these things and is still happy she’s a woman. She is clearly not confused as to the children your PC brigade would try and twist.

My gender does not define me, my character and personality does. My parents did worry about me for a while, but then accepted that I was just a tomboy that preferred action games to role play games and nurtured that fact. I’m now well into my fifties with two grown sons who can climb trees too. Toys are just that – toys, nothing more, nothing less.

Ah Breath of fresh air Molly. Half this lot though would say your denying your true self and you should abandon your feminity.

@molly You might draw flak though for that Tomboy remark, Surely that is a politically incorrect definition to this PC shower of Looneys

Boys should not be playing with dolls. If you boy said he wanted to wear a dress I suppose that would be ok too?

@Garwig, I call a spade a spade, I was, am and always will be a tomboy, if some are offended so be it, I really couldn’t give a rats behind.

John, both my sons played with boy dolls, one even used to dress up and clomp around the house in my shoes, but that’s just play no harm in it. Both grew up to be just perfectly normal men with strong imaginations.

John i dont think anyone gets it!!

@Jimmy

Gender itself is a social construct, gender identity is not. The social construct basically is that since you are male, you have to behave in a certain way, and females have to behave in a totally different way, and god beware a boy should want to play with dolls, or wear anything pink, that sort of thing.

That’s a fantastic question and one that stumps and divides feminists everywhere.

Radical feminism squares the circle by suggesting that trans folk don’t really exist and that a trans woman is just a man in a dress.

Inter-sectional feminism has the greatest respect for trans folk as an oppressed minority. They insist we should all use the pronoun that describes the gender the person identifies as. Anyone who doesn’t is trans-phobic and gender is fluid (hence the repeated use of the term “cisgendered” by those folks).

At the same time they want to tell us that innate gender differences don’t exist and it’s all a social construct.

These two beliefs are diametrically opposed and incompatible with each other.

“Gender itself is a social construct, gender identity is not.”

Yup, that’s exactly the kind of meaningless double-talk form of rationalisation I expect to see in an ideology full of square circles.

Like the mystery of the trinity in Roman catholic ideology.

roles assigned to a gender are a social construct “you can’t do that you’re a girl/boy”

In reality, gender is caused by a complex combination of social influences and innate preferences.

Feminists love to discount the field of evolutionary psychology out of hand, but what they are subscribing to is the ludicrous notion that every aspect of our species evolved subject to selection pressures, except the brain. They have no evidence for this massive assumption.

@Larissa. Is there anything to say gender identity and gender itself are interlinked? Like for example children exposed to higher levels of testosterone in the womb exhibit “male typical” play and standardised test scores. Social influences may be a factor, but there is more to it than that.

@Jimmy

here’s a link that you may find helpful

http://harvardmagazine.com/2014/03/sex-science-and-gender-culture

Jacques – and your point is?

I think my point is fairly obvious Paul.
No need for further elaboration.