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Cave rescue father and son hadn't told anyone where they were going

Patrick Troy and his son Finn were stuck in Clare’s Pollnagollum caves for 28 hours, after getting lost on the way back up.

IT’S EMERGED A father and son trapped overnight in a cave in Co Clare hadn’t left details of their planned trip with any friends or family members.

Patrick Troy and his son Finn, who’s aged in his 20s, were stuck for over 28 hours in the Pollnagollum cave network in north Clare.

The pair, from Dublin, lost their way on Saturday as they attempted to find their way back to the surface but were unable to locate the right exit, and decided to sit and wait for rescuers.

Rescue warden with the Irish Cave Rescue Organisation Conor McGrath said cavers in the area were provided with Patrick’s car reg, and checked out known Clare caving locations yesterday afternoon.

They found the car in around 30 minutes “then we knew we had an active incident on our hands”.

“They still had light,” McGrath told Morning Ireland.

“Obviously when they lost their way they made a few attempts to locate an exit.

“At that stage they made a smart decision to sit tight and just wait for people to try and find them.”

Members of the ICRO who mounted the rescue managed to reach the Troys’ location within 90 minutes, and provided the pair with food and warm drinks.

Both were in “surprisingly good spirits”, McGrath said.

“Unfortunately they hadn’t left any information about the cave they were in, the route they were taking or expected times of entry and exit.”

Patrick is a former member of the ICRO himself. Speaking to the Irish Times, he admitted he had broken “all the cardinal rules” – and stressed that anyone planning a caving trip should leave their plans with someone.

Pollnagollum is the most extensive cave system in Ireland.

McGrath said route-finding was “very complicated” in the network and that while it was easy to find the way down, following the flowing water – getting back up was much more difficult.

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    Mute Derek McCarthy
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    Aug 24th 2015, 9:52 AM

    If there isnt street lights, the dubs are lost!.

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    Mute Rob O'H
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    Aug 24th 2015, 10:04 AM

    “the pair were located after rescuers heard their ‘screeching contest’ through the cave”

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    Mute Tony Le Blanc
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    Aug 24th 2015, 7:17 PM

    So thats four tickets to Paraguay

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    Mute M N
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    Aug 24th 2015, 9:55 AM

    Pollnagollum, great name, wonder what it means.

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    Mute John Shaft
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    Aug 24th 2015, 9:58 AM

    The hole of Colum

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    Mute Crocodylus Pontifex
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    Aug 24th 2015, 9:58 AM

    Hole of the pigeons

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    Mute John Shaft
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    Aug 24th 2015, 9:59 AM

    *Colm

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    Mute John Shaft
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    Aug 24th 2015, 9:59 AM

    *Colm

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    Mute Eoin Gallagher
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    Aug 24th 2015, 10:00 AM

    Literally The Hole of Colm

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    Mute little jim
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    Aug 24th 2015, 10:00 AM

    *Shaft of Echos.

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    Mute Kate Ellen Egan
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    Aug 24th 2015, 10:05 AM

    Just reading this is terrifying , thank heaven they were found

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    Mute Caillte
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    Aug 24th 2015, 10:12 AM

    The hole of gollum. With precious of course.

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    Mute Paul Roche
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    Aug 24th 2015, 10:17 AM

    I think I can see where this is going…

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    Mute Marie
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    Aug 24th 2015, 11:55 AM

    Tolkien’s work was inspired by the Burren.

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    Mute Pete Gibson
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    Aug 24th 2015, 12:10 PM

    “The hole of the demon” is correct.
    (The caver might have been more careful if he knew that).

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    Mute Mick Jordan
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    Aug 24th 2015, 10:20 AM

    The Father was a former member of the ICRO!! You would think he would have known better than to go caving without letting anyone know A) What route he had planned and B) What estimated time they would finish at and C) Mark his route with a piece of chalk.

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    Mute Suzie Sunsine
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    Aug 24th 2015, 1:07 PM

    he admitted that as a former member he broke all the cardinal rules !

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    Mute Kerry Wynne
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    Aug 24th 2015, 10:09 AM

    More eejits thinking they know better. Risking the lives of others. Not only the ICRO but also members of the Doolin Coast Guard who have had a number of incidents to deal with over the past few weeks.

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    Mute Fergal Murphy
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    Aug 24th 2015, 10:17 AM

    poulnagollum means the cave or hole of the doves, colm being the Irish word for dove

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    Mute Pete Gibson
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    Aug 24th 2015, 12:28 PM

    Colm comes the Latin word for Dove… “columba”.
    Gollum is an old Irish word for demon.

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    Mute John B
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    Aug 24th 2015, 12:49 PM

    So it’s Gollum’s hole then?

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    Mute Pete Gibson
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    Aug 24th 2015, 12:57 PM

    P.S.
    You get the same name for caves right around the world in every language.
    Caves are portals to the frightening underworld…where the dead and demons lurk.

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    Mute Grigori Rasputin
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    Aug 24th 2015, 3:44 PM

    In irish, plural genitive nouns beginning with b, c, d, f, g, p, and t get “eclipsed” after the article – meaning that another letter gets put in front of the b, c, d, f, g, p, or t.

    c gets eclipsed by g in this case.

    so you get:

    capall (horse) -> na gcapall
    colm (dove) -> na gcolm

    As many have pointed out above, Poulnagollum is the anglicised version of “Poll na gcolm” – the hole of the doves.

    I’ve never heard of “gollum” being old irish for anything, let alone a demon. If you have a source for that, it would be interesting to see it.

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    Mute Peter Gavin
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    Aug 24th 2015, 10:03 AM

    If you follow the water to go down can’t you follow the same water backward to get out? Obviously not that simple.

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    Mute Grigori Rasputin
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    Aug 24th 2015, 10:06 AM

    How do you know you’re following the same water back up, when all the water from everywhere is going down?

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    Mute Rogue Nation
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    Aug 24th 2015, 9:59 AM

    As far as i know, these caves are not mapped entirely and accurately yet so people need to be very careful.

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    Mute Padraic Lawless
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    Aug 24th 2015, 10:56 AM

    Outside of the tourist attractions it’s one of Ireland’s best known caves with near a century of exploration. Pretty detailed surveys available compared to other caves in Ireland.

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    Mute Rogue Nation
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    Aug 24th 2015, 11:28 AM

    Pretty detailed =not mapped entirely & accurately. Currently the maps are being updated and added as per explorers information. Around 17 Kilometers of caves with lots of tunnels.

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    Mute Missyb211
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    Aug 24th 2015, 11:31 AM

    It is also reported that the man also said that he has been doing this for 30 years! He was also in that specific cave 20 years previously but things had changed. In other words, he thought he knew it all!

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    Mute Padraic Lawless
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    Aug 24th 2015, 11:35 AM

    I’ve been in it… As surveys go it’s pretty good. Most of it mapped to BCRA grade 5. Which is pretty good as cave surveys go short of using really technical equip. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_survey#BCRA_grading_system)

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    Aug 24th 2015, 10:08 AM

    Why are all the rocks different sizes?

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    Mute Irishoversea
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    Aug 24th 2015, 10:16 AM

    Well, you know, rocks are generally different sizes

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    Mute John Reese
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    Aug 24th 2015, 10:35 AM

    How did everyone breath?

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    Aug 24th 2015, 9:49 AM

    The cave rescued the father and son?

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    Mute Mr N
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    Aug 24th 2015, 9:58 AM

    Yep I think it should be cave-rescue as in a double adjective.

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    Aug 24th 2015, 10:50 AM

    Luckily they didn’t bump into a Balrog, – bad news, those guys.

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    Aug 24th 2015, 11:01 AM

    John Shaft. Great name especially in a caving story!

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    Aug 24th 2015, 12:40 PM

    ICRO handled it like a BOSS, well done to everyone involved.

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    Mute Jeni Moriarty
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    Aug 24th 2015, 11:36 AM

    yuk I’m getting clostraphobic (sp?) just reading this, glad their ok

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    Mute Brian J. McMahon
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    Aug 24th 2015, 4:51 PM

    Happened to myself and a buddy of mine many years ago in the same cave. Once you get past the “hall of fame” it can get very confusing. We spent 14 hours trying to find our way out. When we did get out we didn’t realise it at first as it was 4am in the morning. Eventually we spotted a star. Very relieved. I’ve been down again many times but I know now not to make the same mistakes. Easily done though so I completely sympathise with the two lads.

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    Aug 24th 2015, 2:33 PM

    I don’t belieeeve it!

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    Aug 24th 2015, 10:13 AM

    Why is there not some type of markings to help get you to exit

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    Aug 24th 2015, 11:22 AM

    Because it’s a 16km long cave system with 8 different enterances, not a supermarket carpark.

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    Mute Missyb211
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    Aug 24th 2015, 11:36 AM

    I have experienced some supermarket car parks that were like labyrinths!

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    Aug 24th 2015, 1:47 PM

    I have encountered some department store underwear sections that have equally tricky to get out of.

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    Aug 24th 2015, 1:42 PM

    I have potholed this cave with a map of it and we thought we were lost at one point. The problem is that the exit is like a S bend pipe. You would only see the exit if you had day light.

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    Aug 24th 2015, 7:23 PM

    Well holy God

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