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Joan Burton with some young children at a Labour event in Dublin today Hugh O'Connell

Election fever: Enda's teasing everyone and Joan's holding babies

Enda Kenny remained tight-lipped about the date of an election, while Joan Burton gave mixed messages.

Updated 5.25pm 

SPECULATION ABOUT AN early general election continues today as the Taoiseach Enda Kenny remained tight-lipped and the Tánaiste Joan Burton gave mixed messages.

Over the last three days, Kenny has given little away in the face of questions from journalists and politicians about the possibility of an election before the end of the year.

The renewed speculation about a November election was sparked by Kenny’s refusal to rule it out when asked repeatedly at an event in Mayo on Monday. He was also unable to provide any clarity when pushed on the matter in the Dáil yesterday afternoon.

The Tánaiste broke her silence today, but gave mixed messages.

First, Burton indicated she’d received assurances that the election would not take place until next year. Later, she said there were “no guarantees” about the date before finally saying she would not bet on an early election. 

What Enda said today…

This morning, at a Fine Gael fundraiser in Dublin, Kenny jokingly asked party members to remind him to give them a date before he left.

Later during his speech he said the date would be “next Tuesday – that’s the start, if you like, of the continued recovery of the country” referring to the Budget announcement next week – and not the election. He added:

Funny thing, everywhere I go now for some reason they’re always staring at me, they’re looking for a hint.  

Then at a jobs announcement in Dublin a short time later, Kenny joked that the electoral cycle could be extended, telling journalists: “Actually its seven years in the Constitution but convention says it’s five.”

In fact, legislation, the Electoral Act 1992, stipulates that the Dáil can last for a period no longer than five years.

At the same event, Burton said she had had “a friendly conversation” with Kenny about not calling an early election.

I have always said we would stay the course and do the five [years]. I had a long conversation with the Taoiseach yesterday – a very friendly conversation. I think we know we have a job of work to do, and we’re committed to doing it.

She also said it was important that the banking inquiry be allowed to finish its work and that several pieces of legislation be allowed pass through the Oireachtas before the end of the year.

Kenny again faced questions on the early election speculation during the Dáil’s Order of Business. Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin was again seeking clarity on the matter in the wake of the decision to extend the term of the banking inquiry yesterday.

Kenny insisted that the inquiry’s extension and the calling of an election are “entirely separate” matters.

I don’t recall standing in this chair here indicating the dates or otherwise of general elections. They’re separate matters. The request that came form the committee chairman [for an extension] is perfectly reasonable [and] was adopted by the Dáil.

Martin was not happy and sought to press the Taoiseach on the matter, saying his refusal to provide clarity was “outrageous”.

But Ceann Comhairle Seán Barrett said Martin was out of order and there was no further clarity provided by Kenny.

What Joan said this afternoon…

This afternoon, at the launch of a Labour party report on childcare, Burton was asked if she had received assurances from Kenny that there would not be an early election. She responded:

Now you’re asking about very private conversations and the private conversations tend to all have one ending, which is: next year.

Burton then repeated that there are a number of parliamentary issues which need to be resolved in the coming months including the conclusion of the banking inquiry

Asked if the Taoiseach would be ‘shafting’ her if an election was called for November, the Dublin West TD said:

All I can say is that we’ve had discussions on the issue. We also have three very important pieces of legislation in the context of the Budget and each of these pieces of legislation is of equal importance.

She said these were the Finance Bill, the Social Welfare Bill and the reinstatement of some of the public service pay reductions made under FEMPI legislation, all of which she said needed “a decent amount of time for debate”.

But all this appeared to be undermined when Burton was asked about “guarantees in relation to the timing of the election” and she quickly intervened to say:

There’s no guarantees in relation to anything to do with the timing of the election. But I said there are very significant and important pieces of legislation which both parties are anxious to get through and which are a must-do.

She insisted that “next year” endures. 

Then Burton, as if to underline that we are in election season, did a photocall with some babies – a classic election campaign tactic.
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Asked if this was surely an indication of an early election, Burton responded finally:

Well, I wouldn’t bet on that. I don’t know whether you’ve been down to any of the bookies, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

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    Nov 17th 2013, 5:40 PM

    Reminds me of the Judge Dredd movie from last year.

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    Mute Alan Harrison
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    Nov 17th 2013, 5:24 PM

    What a stupid design for a building.

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    Mute Shaun the Sheep
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    Nov 17th 2013, 5:46 PM

    Similar to gasworks in Dublin..

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    Mute Gavin Donovan
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    Nov 18th 2013, 12:11 AM

    Similar but completely different…

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    Nov 17th 2013, 5:43 PM

    “Typical of apartheid, the desirable outward-facing apartments were reserved for white people, while the dark inner apartments were rented to black people”

    During the apartheid era, this building, located in Berea, was in a white residential area … by apartheid laws, no blacks could rent or stay there. When apartheid fell, all race groups could rent or buy.

    It is therefore nonsense to assert that blacks had to rent “dark inner apartments”! The whole Berea, Hillbrow, Johannesburg area has since degenerated into a slum area, forcing most whites to leave for safer residential area’s.

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    Mute Petr Tarasov
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    Nov 17th 2013, 5:50 PM

    “forcing most whites to leave”

    Oh boo hoo, my heart’s breaking!

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    Mute Kris O Kay Kay
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    Nov 17th 2013, 5:58 PM

    Insert “Palestinians were forced to leave” and check Petrs reaction…

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    Mute Simon Burke
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    Nov 17th 2013, 6:27 PM

    @Petr Tarasov What a nasty, petty comment that is. Speaks volume about your character.

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    Mute Petr Tarasov
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    Nov 17th 2013, 6:54 PM

    “Insert “Palestinians were forced to leave” and check Petrs reaction…”

    That analogy doesn’t work. The Palestinians are the indigenous people of Palestine. Think before you type.

    Simon you berk, I’m not going to shed tears for SA whites who have to move to ‘safer areas’; they ran, or went along with, a grotesquely racist system for generations, they can suck it up now if things ain’t going their way.

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    Nov 17th 2013, 7:45 PM

    @ Petr, the lumping of an entire people together based on their skin colour (white in your case) is exactly what apartheid is. Your comments are trash from a rank, noxious, garbage pit of a mind. I don’t know how you become the way you did but it is your type of diseased thinking that needs to be eradicated from the planet.

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    Mute Kris O Kay Kay
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    Nov 17th 2013, 8:34 PM

    What’s the definition of a Palestinian person Petr? What exactly defines you as indigenous of Palestine…..Think now before you type Petr.

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    Mute Monique
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    Nov 17th 2013, 6:53 PM

    Used to go bowling there in 1983/4, it certainly was known as a good area to rent, I stayed nearby in Hillbrow. From my recollection it was hijacked – literally hijacked by Nigerian drug lords, that is when it went into total decline. Not only did whites move out in the late 80′s and early 90′s, but so did the blacks all fearing for their lives. Many suicides did happen, jumping from the windows on the inner part of the building.

    By the mid ’90s, Hillbrow’s murder and rape rates were worse than almost any place in the world. Ponte City’s owners hadn’t stepped foot in the building for years, and rubble piled up five stories high in the core. Despite the expansive views from every unit, the building was better known for rats, guns, drugs, and violence. Ponte City’s notoriety even spilled into the literary world – German novelist Norman Ohler centered his book, “Stadt des Goldes,” on Ponte, telling the violent story of a young woman who falls in love with a Nigerian drug lord who lives there.

    Hope they get it back to its original state and it’s great that they are investing in Hillbrow, it used to be a great spot.

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    Mute Tony Clifton
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    Nov 17th 2013, 5:24 PM

    Anybody else noticed in the so called “financial crash” the poor of the world got poorer and the rich got richer!
    Maybe the world needs a good smack of communism

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    Nov 17th 2013, 5:50 PM

    And that would solve what?

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    Nov 17th 2013, 6:26 PM

    The irony of Communism is that those with power end up living an obscenely extravagant lifestyle compared to the average person in that country. You only need to look at the sort of lifestyle individuals like Stalin or Castro lived compared to a farmer or factory worker.

    In all fairness, free market economies give a much better average quality of life compared to communist ones.

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    Nov 17th 2013, 6:30 PM

    @Tony Clifton. Not sure making even more people poor is the solution. More poor people tends to be Communisms main outcome. Compare East & West Germany after 50 years of communism and free marketing economics. Both the same people starting from the same point with very different outcomes.

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    Nov 17th 2013, 7:05 PM

    Well said Tony Clifton!

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    Nov 17th 2013, 7:35 PM

    What’s needed is revolutionary socialism.

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    Nov 17th 2013, 7:36 PM

    And what exactly is that? Apart from utopian bunkum

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    Nov 17th 2013, 7:43 PM

    Oh, I found it
    “it is defined as seizure of political power by mass movements of the working class so that the state is directly controlled by the working class as opposed to the capitalist class and its interests. Revolutionary socialists believe such a state of affairs is a precondition for establishing socialism.”

    Well personally is don’t want the working class running anything. I’d prefer a broad spectrum of people representing all facets of society working for a greater good, rather than some self pitying gimmes following antiquated doctrines proven not to work.

    But that’s just me :)

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    Nov 17th 2013, 8:01 PM

    Yup, that’s you alright: a predictable, mainstream, centrist, sheep.

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    Nov 17th 2013, 8:04 PM

    Well why don’t you try and educate this poor sheep then Petr? Was that an inaccurate description I lifted from t’interweb? If so do please elaborate. What would the benefit be to non working class citizens of such a revolution?

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    Nov 17th 2013, 8:41 PM

    Petr just got taken to school :)

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    Nov 17th 2013, 9:52 PM

    Yeah, tony, as if we don’t have a touch of the communism already with the rich paying such a high proportion of the taxes!!! The fact that middle class and low class are getting poorer, is purely incidental of a global shortage of fuel, food and space.

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    Nov 17th 2013, 5:43 PM

    It’s nicer than Ballymun to be fair.

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    Nov 17th 2013, 5:43 PM

    Insert scene from dark knight rises. “rise” here.

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    Nov 17th 2013, 6:48 PM

    What a horrible building that is. A good idea to attract new renters, would be to thread some dynamite through it, level it, and build something people would actually *want* to live in.

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    Nov 17th 2013, 8:11 PM

    No one to take out the rubbish
    Must have been a bummer living on the lower levels

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    Nov 18th 2013, 3:10 AM

    They should just flatten the building altogether. Was a dumb ass idea to have built it in the first place! As for it being built so that the white people could have the outer view and the black people the inner view, well that’s a load of crap as well.. During apartheid in SA, no black people were allowed to live in a white residential area at all. This building never really took off at all and and so became a slum.

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    Nov 17th 2013, 6:44 PM

    Horrendous

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    Nov 17th 2013, 10:08 PM

    Kempston may have an office in London but it is actually owned by Tony Cottrell who started Kempston hire in Kempston road on Port Elizabeth. The head office is in East London, South Africa.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:53 PM

    “Typical of apartheid, the desirable outward-facing apartments were reserved for white people, while the dark inner apartments were rented to black people.” This is WRONG. The entire Hillbrow neighborhood was restricted for whites during apartheid. The reason why this building has a hollow core was the building code regulations required all kitchens and bathrooms to have windows with access to natural light.

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    Jan 14th 2015, 10:47 PM

    There were no inward facing apartments in this building. This article is full of misinformation. Fix your article.

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