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Martin McGuinness: 'I never talk about shooting anybody but I was a member of the IRA'

McGuinness said forty years on, he is still proud that he was a member of the IRA.

NORTHERN IRELAND’S DEPUTY First Minister Martin McGuinness has refused to say if he shot any British soldiers or police officers during the Troubles, in a recent interview with Irish TV.

In the interview, which is due to be broadcast this Sunday, McGuinness was asked about his time in the IRA.

Journalist Eamonn Mallie asked: “How did you feel when you pulled the trigger to kill a soldier or police officer?”

McGuinness said over the years he has been asked questions like this in interviews.

“For me to give an answer like that is to sensationalise,” he answered.

I never talk about shooting anybody but I do acknowledge I was a member of the IRA and as a member of the IRA I obviously engaged in fighting back against the British army.”

“You mean killing, Martin, don’t you?” Mallie asked.

What I am not going to do is give people a sensational headline by saying on such a such a night I was involved in a gun battle with the British army and 25 British army soldiers were killed. I am not going to do it and I’m not getting into that.”

He was asked if he ever talked to himself about the things he did during his time in the IRA.

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I would have felt ashamed if I had not been part of the resistance and part of fighting back against the forces of the state. And remember, the forces that I fought against were armed to the teeth with the most modern weapons imaginable…
… I am very proud I was part of the IRA in Derry and involved in repelling the designs of the British state forces against people who were being treated as second and third class citizens.

“I believed that in a situation where the community that I came from were being treated like second- and third-class citizens that I had a responsibility to fight back against it. And I don’t apologise to anybody for having done that. I think it was the right thing to do.”

He added that 40 years on, he is still proud he was a member of the IRA.

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He said, however, that it ended up in a vicious cycle of conflict and an awful lot of people got injured and killed, including British soldiers, members of the IRA and innocent civilians and prisoners.

He said it was his decision alone to join the armed organisation as violence was being used against his community, he said.

“…the battle of Bogside violence was being used by the police.”

He said they had to use violence against them to defeat them and keep them out of their areas. He said they had to “send a powerful message to London that nothing was normal in north of Ireland and something dramatic had to change it”.

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Everyone is accountable for their own actions and everybody has to make judgements based on their own conscious on whether they believe that what they are doing is right or wrong.”

McGuinness rejects a suggestion in the Saville report that McGuinness was probably armed with a sub-machine gun on Bloody Sunday. The report itself says there was no evidence to back up the finding. 

“There was absolutely no substance to that allegation,” said McGuinness.

On Bloody Sunday a decision was made that the IRA would not be on the streets that day, he said. “All weapons were moved to dumps.”

He said it was absolute nonsense, stating that he was categorically not armed that day. 

McGuinness said he was very conscious of the role he is playing now “in what is seen as one of the most important peace processes in the world today”.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 6:40 PM

    most “customers” have a thing called ‘choice’

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    Mar 18th 2015, 6:47 PM

    You could choose to disconnect yourself from the water supply if you’d rather not pay for it…

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    Mar 18th 2015, 6:54 PM

    Drew FG/LAB or Irish Water employee.
    Get a f***ing life, the Irish people are already paying through general taxation.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 6:57 PM

    If you are living in a council house, generously supported by the taxpayer, you aren’t paying much in general taxation.

    Even the 15 euros you are paying in motor tax is insufficient.

    the whole plan is to transition from income tax contributions to direct charging.

    This argument that we are already paying has obviously been concocted by some Economics Rockstar somewhere who doesn’t get the fact that we are moving from tax funded water to direct consumer funded water. It’s quite simple if you are the sort of person who sits exams and passes them.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 6:58 PM

    Actually you cannot even if you wanted.

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    Mute Chris Wakefield PBP
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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:00 PM

    Drew your a troll working in Irish Waters offices you voyeur hack. Why don’t you b be a good little blueshirt and shred all the begging packs that were returned spoiled to your employers. Good boy.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:03 PM

    “This argument that we are already paying has obviously been concocted by some Economics Rockstar somewhere who doesn’t get the fact that we are moving from tax funded water to direct consumer funded water.”

    So the domestic water levyies put in place n the 90′s on VAT and motor tax are being removed are they?

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:07 PM

    Aha! As I postes last week. Well guys ye’re gonna pay €166 per person per year from jan2019 on. Don’t agree? Protest next Saturday 21.03.15 Dublin. http://Www.right2water.ie

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:08 PM

    We’re moving to privatised water, where a monopoly can charge what they like and pay themselves and crony consultants what they like. And don’t talk about there being a regulator, we had one of those for the banks.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:11 PM

    1. It’s a public utility.
    2. The used consultants for once off setup work instead of hiring staff who would have nothing to do after 6 months.
    3. The billing and setup costs were lower than comparable international peers like LA water.
    4. Regulated water price in Wales and most of England continue to fall.

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    Mute johngahan
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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:11 PM

    There are plenty of other public services that will benefit from tax receipts no longer paying for water werejammin, Health, education etc.

    Did Pearse not explain it to you yet?

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:11 PM

    Next up all other councils and… private landlords. They used the dec legislative change to leave the bill on the house owner to force landlords to give data of those renting “divide and rule” !!

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:20 PM

    Not enough for a fit for purpose water and waste service for the whole country. That’s why the move has been made to a country wide water and waste company that can now improve and update the system so we can ALL have drinkable water and unpolluted rivers. Now were jammin what’s your problem ?

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:25 PM

    John, time to go back to maths class…car tax way more than €180 p year. Usc, lpt property tax, vat 23%, carbon tax on coal/briquettes, car tax up 2x…etc. Water tax temporary tax €260/160 and then soars after price cap expires Dec2018. Ps why does kenny et al need €2000 per week pension on top of the various lump sums? Kenny and the lads already gleaning much higher renumeration than many western Eu states not to mind the expenses…Dual Abode Allowance. Travel Allowance. Ministerial hotel allowance-cost+15%! €1.14 per mile. Maintenance grant €6.5k/yr. Receipted laundry. Full tax relief on 2nd property etc. Etc. Current Labour Minister pension bill €15million.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:35 PM

    In contrast…Travel & accommodation allowance €12-38k per year depending how far td is from Dublin. Public Representation Allowance €15k/yr. W/o receipts or up to €26k vouched. There’s a heap more allowances for our politicians. How about Kenny reduce his wages to the level of the Prime Minister of country with 4.5 time our gdp – holland pays PM Mark Rutte €144k per year incl. €3.5k allowances.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:35 PM

    You are probably better off just to red thumb these bots and not engage them ,just red thumb them, it’s tragic that they have to engage in this type of activity to make themselves feel worthwhile.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:41 PM

    IW will charge €3.70 per m3 whereas Holland charges €1.59. Oh I forgot our politicians get paid a lot more, not to mention the 90+ managers in IW on over €100k/yr + €10k/yr. BMW (car) allowance and a number of those on Co Co pensions already…..

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:42 PM

    Drew we already pay for this service….

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:02 PM

    http://www.water.ie/customer-applications/charges/

    Where are you making up your €3.70 gregory?

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:10 PM

    The argument that we already pay for it, isn’t exactly right. What we pay now is not near enough, if it was we would have a well maintained infrastructure with enough treatment plants to handle demand. The cost to bring our water supply up to standard is 6 billion and that doesn’t cover the cost of ongoing maintenance to make sure the system doesn’t fall back into disrepair. If not direct usage charge then where do we get the money because our government cant increase spending or its in breach of bailout conditions.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:12 PM

    John, the info on that link IS valid until Dec2018. Jan2019 the CER approved rate of €3.70 per m3 kicks in automatically {this was reduced from the previously CER approved rate of €4.88}. That web page will be updated in due course.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:18 PM

    Type “water rate 3.70″ into google.ie the “citizens advice bureau” explains the 3.70 rate and clarifies that the temporary current cap which will expire dec2018 can only be extended if signed off by Both houses of the Oireachtas

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:19 PM

    johngahan that augment only holds water if the taxes are reduced in proportion .I passed a Bsc and MA if it helps

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    Mute Kerry Blake
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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:23 PM

    But John McG we do already pay for it what bit of that do you not understand?

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:24 PM

    John McG if they hadn’t given 100billion to their banking mates we could all have gold plated taps and a sparkling water tap

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:27 PM

    Well we have the protestors to thank for the own goal of getting the 30,000 allowance per annum being abolished.

    Quite the victory.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:27 PM

    John McG…by the end of 2018 €3.5 billion will have been pumped into Irish water and not a leak fixed.
    Had we of spent the €3.5 billion on upgrading the system we would by your figures be more than halfway to a proper water system….but no….all we get is a billing service which will reduce water loss to 25% by 2040.
    By the way….didn’t Noonan tell you….we exited the bailout program…..oh wait!…he was lying.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:34 PM

    Water provision must be separated from state services by EU dictat.

    Where did you get your stats that no leaks will be fixed?

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:34 PM

    Kerry, our water supply needs massive investment. All i’m asking is where will we get the money from. Jeff pointing out past mistakes is not going to give us the cash now to bring it up to scratch. Simple question, if not water charges then where will the extra money come from?

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:46 PM

    Not from this stone John I’ve already been bleed dry thanks. The only investment I’ve seen from Irish Water is to the benefit of consultants. I pay my taxes but I’m now been asked to pay more for the same service. Why?

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:52 PM

    Al Ca, if we go with your suggestion & pump 3.5billion into the water supply as you say we will only be half way to a decent service but with no plan to get us the rest of the way there. As to them not fixing a leak, that is just a ridiculous statement.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:56 PM

    iw is a scam and anyone who cannot see that has a problem with reality
    1.5 billion so far and nothing fixed or upgraded, how much more will it take before you realise it was never set up to repair leaks or upgrade services

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    Mute John McG
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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:58 PM

    Kerry, you are not been asked to pay more for the “same” service. You are being asked to pay more because the country has not got enough money to ” fix &improve” the service. We borrow 800 million a month as it is and if you are a tax payer your contribution has gone down by about €350 per year after the last budget so take away the €160 water tax and you are still better off.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 9:06 PM

    That’s just rubbish. We are already paying for it through general taxation. It’s a double tax. It’s commercially sensitive and there’s only one way it’s going and that’s up, if this shower of media driven politicians have anything to do with it.

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    Mute Kerry Blake
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    Mar 18th 2015, 9:08 PM

    No I’m not and again as a long standing tax payer I’m being asked to pay for something I already have paid for. What bit of that do you not understand?

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    Mar 18th 2015, 9:21 PM

    Kerry, if you are a tax payer, the government gave you back €350 in the budget and are taking back €160 in water charges. So you are up €190 this year, What bit of that do you not understand?

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    Mar 18th 2015, 9:25 PM

    john mcg will you give it a rest the gov gave nothing back to no one understand?

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    Mar 18th 2015, 9:28 PM

    Eh John again I ask I’ve already being paying for water as a service so which bit of that do you not understand?

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    Mar 18th 2015, 9:40 PM

    Kerry, maths does’t lie. If you pay twice for something then you are out of pocket i.e. you have less money than you did. So if you have more money in your pocket than you did last year you are not being charged extra. What if the government had of said ” we are reducing you tax bill by €350 a year, this includes what you pay for water services & are introducing a new charge for water of €160″ you would be happy? Water was paid for by general taxation which they reduced in the last budget, the only way it’s going to cost you extra is if you are not a tax payer!

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    Mar 18th 2015, 9:56 PM

    It’s Not just Limerick Council, Even An Post are being told to hand over addresses to Irish Water…. Surprised no article was posted about it. Last week Tuesday, March 10. it was signed into law.
    Section 26 under the Water Services Act 2013 provides Irish Water with the power to obtain information from third parties.

    “Environment Minister Alan Kelly signed a statutory order that enables the company to verify addresses with the postal company. It will ensure bills sent from next month reaches the correct person, The rules are allowed under the Water Services Act 2013, which sets out Irish Water’s statutory powers to request both customers and certain bodies to provide it with information so it can develop its customer database”
    (http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/water/irish-water-crisis/an-post-told-to-hand-over-addresses-to-irish-water-31071941.html)

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    Mar 18th 2015, 10:00 PM

    John mcg ans to where to get money =stop paying 8 billion interest on that so called bail out.And burn the bond holders.Join the protest on Saturday exit europe before it sinks our island._.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 10:01 PM

    the whole plan is to transition from income tax contributions to direct charging.

    Bullshit johngahan.

    The plan is to establish a company that can be sold off to the highest bidder. The method used to establish irish water is illegal under EU rules and will be proven to be so soon.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 10:09 PM

    John gahan

    Are you aware that the council’s charge rent for their houses? I grew up in a council house in the 1970′s and 80′s and they charged plenty for their poky houses. Though we were so grateful to have a roof over our heads. I remember the rent being €60 per week as my father was working full time and it wasn’t easy for my parents..

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    Mar 18th 2015, 10:10 PM

    Bobby, once the government of the day made the banking debt, sovereign debt – we were screwed. If we renege on that debt we are also screwed, just google “argentine assets seized”. We couldn’t land a government jet anywhere without it being impounded by a hedge fund. By the way the protest on Sat is against water charges, not exiting the EU.

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    Mute Kerry Blake
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    Mar 18th 2015, 10:59 PM

    John yet again you miss the point, As a tax payer I already pay for the service the government wants to charge me twice for. Which bit of that do you not understand?

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    Mar 18th 2015, 11:10 PM

    Twice Kerry?… You mean 3 times. From Taxation, From Motor Tax And being Billed for a 3rd time.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 11:19 PM

    Kerry, as a tax payer you are not paying any more this year than you did last year. Whats wrong with that?

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    Mar 18th 2015, 11:24 PM

    The local property tax money used to set up IW, the money stolen from the nprf and the extra money from motortax given to IW. How many hundreds of millions is that now? Would have made a great start in fixing the network. Would have provided lots of employment too. But i suppose all the important people wouldn’t get to wet their beaks that way.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 11:57 PM

    Pop into any shop in the country you’ll find that people have no problem paying for privatized water in plastic bottles despite millions of them ending up in the ocean.

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    Mute Denis O Brien
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    Mar 19th 2015, 9:35 AM

    pop into any shop in the country and you will not see anyone paying for privatised water and then paying again for it a second time when they get home.

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    Mar 19th 2015, 7:16 PM

    Just so I understand this As I’ve been told to pay water tax, the general tax, my motor tax, and any other tax I pay which goes to providing me with water will be returned to me. I can’t wait for the increase in my pay package next thurs when I get paid.

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    Mute Jeffrey McMahon
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    Mar 19th 2015, 8:34 PM

    Gahan,

    Ireland has an exemption from said EU dictat negotiated by the FF govt of the time. We do have to renew that exemption every few years, FG are choosing not to. Google “The Irish Exemption” if you wish to learn more.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 6:24 PM

    Boo to limerick council.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 6:54 PM

    The Council is legally obliged to provide the data to the Irish Water Gestapo

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:37 PM

    Email them enmasse ?

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    Mar 19th 2015, 9:00 PM

    Symbolism, they are in breach of a democratic decision not to provide said data, now I am not fully versed in law but surely being in breach of a democratic decision has some legal repercussions, a charge of treason? Dismissal from duty? Any law people who can clarify?

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    Mar 18th 2015, 6:24 PM

    Can’t pay won’t pay go away

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:03 PM

    Tricky , you can pay and will pay.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:15 PM

    Ok Rory you sheep.

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    Mute Joe
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    Mar 18th 2015, 9:41 PM

    Question. Who is going to pay for the water infrastructural work that needs to be done?

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    Mute Watcher-on-the-Wall
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    Mar 18th 2015, 10:28 PM

    Joe – not one thing about how this mess has been set up suggests to me that a single cent is going to be spent on infrastructure, or if it is, many times that amount will be spent on bonuses and other expenditure which has no direct connection with the provision of clean, safe water.

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    Mute brian boru
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    Mar 19th 2015, 2:01 AM

    Tax payer from tax funds

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    Mute Jamie McCormack
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    Mar 18th 2015, 6:30 PM

    Could they make any more of a hames of this?

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    Mute Were Jammin
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    Mar 18th 2015, 6:40 PM

    Yep. They could keep the catastrafu*k express known as Irish Water rollin’ along instead of quitting now while they’re behind.

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    Mute Sarah Clifford
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    Mar 18th 2015, 6:54 PM

    Yea they could make it worse by putting flouride in our water without asking. Ohh hang on!!!

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    Mute Verge harry
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    Mar 18th 2015, 6:59 PM

    Except they aren’t. This isn’t even a story.

    I mean you don’t like it sure but that doesn’t make it an issue. They are of course going to make sure their tenants pay their bills.

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    Mute Were Jammin
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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:05 PM

    Stupid argument. They have no intervention in any other utility bill received by their tenants.

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    Mute Verge harry
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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:09 PM

    Sorry I apologize they aren’t going to hold someone down and kneecap them to make sure they pay up. But yeah they are of course going to hand over their tenants info.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:50 PM

    Labour Lying Inglorious ***terds.

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    Mute Were Jammin
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    Mar 18th 2015, 6:43 PM

    Once again our rights under the Data Protection Act being treated as an inconvenience by this cabal in government.

    Roll on the GE.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:02 PM

    Once again Were Jammin has no idea what the data protection act stipulates but hey it’s sounds good.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:08 PM

    Exactly which part of the data legislation was broken ‘were jamming’? I’m sure the council lawyers went through the request and signed off in it first. The data protection commission had strong powers and can intervene if required to do so.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:11 PM

    I take it you are ignorant to the fact that the government has been using statutory instruments to bend the rules on the sharing of personal data under the data protection act, you know this, yes?

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:48 PM

    Irish water used the same incorrectly spelled address to send out the water pack that revenue use for my tax cert,no one else uses that address ( despite having supplied my correct address twice to revenue they still use it ) I am certain because of this that revenue were contacted by IW to get access their address database.

    Thanks to the postmans local knowledge i managed to get the pack and burn it accordingly.

    I have sent a solicitors letter to revenue asking them to confirm or deny that they gave my address details to IW and am awaiting their response .

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:50 PM

    So you can’t back up your point. No laws were broken.

    Your faux outrage in behalf of others is quite boring at this point, ‘were jamming’.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:59 PM

    Show me where I claimed that the law was broken ‘jason’.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:02 PM

    Jason, it’s not Fg’s or Labour’s water to steal and sell back to us enriching the insiders in the process…DoB has his eye on the big prize….

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:40 PM

    You’ve been caught in a lie ‘were spamming’ give up.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:46 PM

    If data of a personal nature is being misused, that’s breaking the law. You have no concept of law and order in SF though, so I don’t expect you to understand.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:48 PM

    The same thing happened to me but in my case misspelled my name, they can only have got this same misspelling from revenue. I hope you get some results from your solicitor’s letter.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 9:18 PM

    You coud not make things up with irish water . latest one an advertising campain to explain how water gets from a cloud for you to drink. Spending €650.000 on an ad .http://theliberal.ie/irish-water-splurges-e650000-to-explain-how-water-becomes-drinkable/

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    Mar 18th 2015, 9:18 PM

    @Jason, there was staunch criticism of our lenient attitude towards data protection at last weeks meeting of European leaders.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 6:45 PM

    hey can send all the details they want to corporate water, they need money, if we don’t pay we starve the beast. Return water services to the local authorities where they belong to prevent the hijacking of our water supply for private profit. Then I might pay…again. Til then they’ll never get a washer off me.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 10:47 PM

    Is PBP advocating paying a water charge?? Im assuming the pbp in your name is the party and you say you wouldnt mind paying…again?

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    Mar 19th 2015, 7:11 AM

    Paying a water charge makes sense so long as the body remains within state ownership. People mainly refuse to pay to Irish Water because the state refuses to put in any solid guarantees that it won’t be privatised.

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    Mar 19th 2015, 7:21 AM

    I don’t mind paying through taxation ‘Sam’ with the twitter account with no followers and you only follow the journal….

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    Mar 19th 2015, 8:41 AM

    Wow good people skills there chris. I asked a question based on your post seeking clarification.
    But since you feel the need to poke around in my twitter, the only reason i have it is to comment here cos the journal dont allow email login – hope that answers your questions!

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    Mute David Thomas
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    Mar 18th 2015, 6:54 PM

    All those people who think government should have everybody’s information, this is why they shouldn’t. They start giving it and sharing with whomever they want!

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:30 PM

    Government body shares info with another government body. That’s it…where’s my pitchfork

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:41 PM

    Incorrect. A government body has shared info with a private company, the day after elected public representatives unanimously passed a motion instructing them not to do just that.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:43 PM

    A company solely owned by the government which you consistently forget to mention

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:48 PM

    It is a private company whose shares are CURRENTLY owned by the government, the vehicle to sell those shares to a private company are contained in the water services act.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:55 PM

    Govt. Keeps telling us IW is a private company and as such the investments are “off balance sheet”. So er no not a public body.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:35 PM

    The Government also tell us gregory that they cannot comment on the runnings of Irish Water as it is a private company.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:49 PM

    The government say that Gregory? That means it must be true….

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    Mar 19th 2015, 8:41 AM

    They also say that they can’t interfere with pay scales, bonus’s pensions and contracts because it’s a private company

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    Mar 18th 2015, 6:43 PM

    It’s just wrong. Why should taxpayers hard earned cash go to pay council staff to provide information to a private company. The local authorities are to the pin of their collar with all the cutbacks, so much so that they have changed the criteria for repairs etc. Estates looking shabby due to lack of care taken in maintaining common areas and now it turns out that tenants rents are going to provide a job of work that diverts away from what it’s for and instead benifits a private company, really where else would you get it, if Irish water want something let them pay for it themselves, were sick of them fleecing us.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:01 PM

    “Why should taxpayers hard earned cash go to pay council staff to provide information to a private company.”

    Christ if the arguments have got this stupid we’ve definitely won.

    “types in password, attaches encrypted data to email, clicks send”

    Jaysus lads I’m done for the day.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:17 PM

    Ok if you don’t see anything wrong with peoples rent money going towards providing information to private business why don’t you set up a direct debit to upc for a tenner a month so that it’ll offset their costs for the rest of us that are with them,maybe then you’ll see how it feels to be shafted.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:34 PM

    it doesn’t cost anything you fool

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:58 PM

    A private company enriching DoB who never backs the wrong horse!

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    Mar 18th 2015, 6:57 PM

    They were always going to get the information. JUST DONT PAY.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:09 PM

    Next Saturday Dublin 21st. Right2Water.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:28 PM

    It proves the point that the figures given for people supposedly having signed up as “customers” to IW as pure fiction, if Alan Kelly has to resort for forcing people’s details of of councils and other “prescribed bodies” by way of legislation.There is a real stench of Nazism coming from this government.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:07 PM

    I feel bad for the people working in these places. I am sure they are not feeling good about having to supply names. Time for them to strike to. Can gardai refuse to go to iw protests.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:59 PM

    Er…Labour (Howlin) anmounced a plan to buy their votes recently…Divide & Rule.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:20 PM

    Good lord the fg ff and lab bots are very afraid these days .

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    Mar 18th 2015, 6:48 PM

    My heart goes out to the council tenants who are being called upon to pay for services they consume.

    It’s an abomination.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 6:57 PM

    Knobhead

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    Mar 18th 2015, 6:59 PM

    Idiot

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:02 PM

    Hero

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:18 PM

    John you really need to read up on what your commenting on cos it just sounds silly otherwise.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:42 PM

    I read about heavily taxpayer subsidised housing dwellers getting antsy because they have to pay for something. What context am I missing?

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:52 PM

    John Gahan, you’re missing the context of expectancy that others will pay and the context of ‘I’m entitled to it’.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:58 PM

    Year 2 in most economics programs in college focus on the topic of balancing the books, growth and how to fund things.

    Unfortunately Pearse didn’t stick around long enough, having already attained Economics Rockstar status in his first semester, twice.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 9:12 PM

    Ah John you make me laugh no clue at all. Keep it up you make me smile every day. I look forward to your utterances!!

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    Mar 19th 2015, 2:12 AM

    Kerry, that is because Johns parents still pay for everything?

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    Mar 19th 2015, 8:54 AM

    I love john and his breath of fresh stupidness each day, He’s repeated what he says so much that he now actually believes it. He’s well on his way to becoming a top class politician, maybe even leader of the country one day.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:14 PM

    Looks like someone needs legal advice, Better call Saul! or your local solicitor…

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:35 PM

    Desperation

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:50 PM

    Isn’t there a breach of the data protection act here

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:03 PM

    Absolutely unbelievable. That people living in houses at the public’s expense would have the nerve to then complain about something like this is simply staggering.

    Roll on the GE when the Shinners get elected. Then I too can choose which taxes and charges to pay. No more USC for me and I’ll be keeping that portion of my taxes that I deem is wasted on universal children’s allowance. Can’t wait.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:09 PM

    Hopefully the Sinn Fein Government introduce some sort of program where the super rich households earning over 100k per annum that will be getting another 8% income tax ontop of the 55% they already pay, can choose to sponsor specific individuals who rely upon the State and get progress reports on their well-being.

    Why should they buy something for their own kids with their hard earned income, when they can be forced give it away to some anonymous beneficiary?

    Sinn Fein should introduce a system, like existing voluntary programs for sponsoring a deprived child in Africa, where those who fork over their cash, can get to see who is getting it and why and see how they are progressing in their lives.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:09 PM

    Sorry Alan could you please clarify exactly who is living in houses at the publics expence

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:14 PM

    Council tenants live in very heavily subsidized public housing. So they are living in housing paid for by the public.

    Public housing is great, we should build loads more of it. Like 50,000 a year.

    But it’s at the public expense. We pay for it, we are allowed say it.

    P.s. Who knows, I may live in affordable housing at some stage but probably not. Depends how much I earn.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:38 PM

    So your saying that those of us who had the sense to realise that our salaries would not be sufficient enough to enable us to get a morgage decided instead to rent from a local councils are sponging of the likes of you. Im nearly 60 ive been working since the age of 14 i pay my rent, taxes, prsi, usc and whatever else is expected of me. I am at present looking for me cap to tug in your esteem presence if I cant find the cap rest assured i tug my forlock. You Sanctimonious knob

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:43 PM

    Ignore the troll accounts eddie, they’ll be out of college soon enough and no longer hanging out for their parents pockets.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:47 PM

    I’m 44. I use my real name. I vote for an independent. I will not be voting FG or Lab although they have the government has merits. I will certainly consider giving them preferences ahead of the fairies in SF/PBP/AAA.

    Who are you?

    And as it happens I have a degree and a postgraduate diploma. Unlike the man who you would like to be minister for finance.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:50 PM

    Thanks for that were jammin id say that wallies mother is still wiping his backside as we speak. There are thousands of idiots out there who borrowed beyond their means for the posh house on knob hill. Now the shit has hit the fan its the people who live in council estates fault.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:50 PM

    You post under the name alan o’connor, bill rooney, and derek burke. So I’m not paying attention to the rest of the information in your post, especially given that you claim to be 44 but frequently post infantile, childish, comments.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:54 PM

    Were Jammin I’m shocked at you just dismissing a fellow citizen like this because you think them intellectually beneath you. I thought Sinn Fein’s whole M.O. was preying on the weak and garnering their votes with empty promises backed up by Pearse’s ‘economics’ (depending on how much jargon he picked up in his few months in college, on both attempts)

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:54 PM

    Oh right. Sorry. I though you were joking. I didn’t realise you were serious. You will, of course, provide evidence of this.

    Actually, don’t bother. It amuses me to think that there’s someone out there who actually believes that I am actually three people.

    I literally cannot wait for SF to get elected if this is the standard.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 7:56 PM

    There is a history in Northern Ireland of strange numbers of votes being returned by a smaller number of people than live in the constituency. Were jammin’s party relied heavily on this in the past; besides ferrying people to polling stations in their vote-buses.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:06 PM

    Alan, we have school teachers running the country, what are u on about?

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:27 PM

    John, to be fair, it’s not about SF. Plenty of people who voted FG are fed up being taxed to death while Kenny failed to deliver on promises of reform/efficiency. It’s as simple as that.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:36 PM

    reality will be established at GE 2016

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:57 PM

    That’s true John but amazingly they’ve managed to alienate both core Fg vote and the Labour vote….

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:34 PM

    What’s the latest stats on people who won’t register with this farce? Last I saw was 40% not registering .

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    Mar 19th 2015, 8:49 AM

    stats on registered and not registered are pointless, as this article proves. Just because IW have your details does not mean you are going to pay. There are 5000 homes identified in this article, maybe before this incident some of those 5000 were going to pay, who knows? But I bet now that non of those will pay after this deceitful breech.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 8:52 PM

    Fianna Fail control Limerick Council, don’t they?

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    Mar 18th 2015, 11:33 PM

    Get out and protest on Saturday folks. Encourage as many people as you can to stand up & against Irish Water. Our government will not & absolutely refuse to amend our Constitution to ensure that it can’t be sold to private interests at a future date. That is their end game. Do not pay yet again for your water & ignore the trolls on the Journal who lie on behalf of their employers. You know who they are. See you on Saturday.

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    Mar 19th 2015, 12:07 AM

    Will be there – again and again until this government gets the message. Their efforts to delay assessment by the eu until they can coerce every family living in rented accommodation to give the appearance of a ‘customer base ‘ is way beyond despicable. DO NOT PAY, and they will be defeated.

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    Mar 18th 2015, 10:37 PM

    It was mentioned further up on this site that trolls should not be engaged with, red thumb them only.

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    Mar 19th 2015, 2:10 AM

    Is that not illegal or against the CONSTITUTION as IW is a private company I thought and the council doing this would be deemed illegal?

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    Mar 19th 2015, 8:51 AM

    unfortunately FG / Lab changed the law to make it legal through the Water act , although I’m not sure if there is now a conflict with the data protection act. Some legal people need to investigate this. It could possibly be against the constitution on the same grounds as why the household charge was against the constitution which was recently won in court.

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    Mar 19th 2015, 11:37 AM

    You would think it be illegal for the Council to pass on peoples private data to a company like this?
    The property and water charges might have the same loop hole as the one for drugs???

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