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Over 9,000 Irish women or 'inmates' went through these doors, forced to repent

Paul Redmond tells us what he has learned about St Patrick’s Mother and Baby Home in Dublin.

ORIGINALLY KNOWN AS Pelletstown and later as Saint Patrick’s Mother and Baby home on the Navan Road, Dublin 7, it was originally a public workhouse and probably designated a ’special institution’ exclusively for single mothers in 1904.

It was converted for such usage in 1906 by George Sheridan at a cost of £11,000. Pelletstown was owned and financed by the Poor Law Guardians and the Dublin Union (i.e the state), and run on their behalf by the Sisters of the Daughters of Saint Vincent de Paul (later called the Daughters of Charity).

Saint Patrick’s was by far the largest of the nine Mother and Baby homes in terms of the numbers who passed through and approximately 9,000 to 12,000 women and girls went through its doors. It was also a massive ‘holding centre’ in it’s own right for unaccompanied babies and children. It was certified for 149 beds for unmarried mothers and 560 cots/beds for babies and children.

Babies and children who passed away were sent for burial to the national Angel’s Plot in Glasnevin Cemetery in north Dublin. There are two periods when exact numbers of deaths are known and rough estimates from other years would indicate that at least 2,000 and possibly above 3,000 babies and children died during its 81 years of operation on the Navan Road.

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The home was closely associated with Saint Kevin’s Hospital in Dublin city centre now known as Saint James.

The Navan Road premises were sold for development in 1985 and the building was demolished and an upmarket housing estate stands in its place today.

However, contrary to popular belief, Saint Patricks did not close down as such but transferred its diminished operation to a far smaller premises and continued until the early 1990s at a grand Victorian pile in plush Dublin 4.

The early years

During its early years, the newly independent Irish state began to publish Local Government Reports from 1925 onwards. Until 1945 these Reports contained details of “unmarried mothers” in Ireland and the states attitude towards them.

They also contained specific details and statistics from the various Mother and Baby homes, although what was included varied wildly from year to year and sometimes contained no information at all about Saint Patrick’s.

The section on “unmarried mothers” gradually shrank to a couple of paragraphs annually before ending completely after 1945.

Loans (non repayable) and Hospital Sweepstakes grants were awarded to St Patrick’s several times in the late 1920s and early 1930s, including money for: two large nurseries with verandas, a new laundry, baths and lavatories. £14,500 was given for general improvements.

A maternity annex was added as well as a “heating, garden Infirmary“ (sic), and money for “improvements to the Catholic  Chapel”. Later a maternity hospital was built and payments amounting to a total of £8,410 were made from Sweepstake Funds (see below for full details).

Conditions as seen through the Infant Mortality Rates

As can be clearly seen in the Infant Mortality Rates (IMRs) in the annual Reports, conditions were horrendous in Saint Patricks in it’s early days. The known IMRs are indefensible by any standards, rising to 50% in one year when the national Infant Mortality Rates were approximately 6% to 7%. Women and girls were treated extremely harshly, brutalised, neglected, and underfed. Their babies were born weakened and underweight while their breast milk was also well below standard due to their continued ill treatment.

The large and generally overcrowded wards facilitated the many infections and diseases that regularly raced through the hospital.

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Local Government Report 1929 -1930 with six years of Infant Mortality Rates for Saint Patricks. The national average at this time was about 6% to 7% year on year.

Early daily mass was a common feature of all mother and baby homes. The priests drove the message home. The ‘inmates’ were sinners, dirty whores and barely above common street prostitutes. No man would ever want to marry them if they knew their filthy little secret. Landlords would not rent them rooms. Their own families had rejected them. Most of all they must repent!

They must be grateful to the generous nuns for taking them in. They must suffer. Hard work and no medication during labour was part of the price to be paid. The vast majority of former residents carried deep emotional and mental scars for the rest of their lives.

From the time St Patricks opened, it was the unquestioned norm in society and official circles to separate single mothers and their children. Although there was a provision in law for ‘adoption by resolution’ it was rarely used and the majority of babies and children were raised in St Patrick’s Home for up to three and fours years or boarded out around Dublin.

Conditions in some of the houses where they were sent were appalling and many died of neglect and underfeeding.

The children were often an easy source of income and nothing more. In 1933 the nuns opened Saint Philomenas Home in Stillorgan in south County Dublin. It was “certified in pursuance of the Pauper Children (Ireland) Act 1889, for the reception of boys and girls who may be eligible to be sent to certified schools“.

In this case “certified school” means “Industrial School”. Saint Philomenas was used almost exclusively for children who were too old for the nursery wards in Saint Patrick’s but too young for Industrial Schools. It was later split when the boys were transferred to Saint Theresa’s in nearby Blackrock.

When the children reached the ages of 7 or 8, girls were normally transferred to Lakeland’s Industrial School in Sandymount while the boys were sent to the notorious Artane Industrial School on Dublin’s north side.

There is strong anecdotal evidence that at some point mixed-race babies from around the country and in particular from the other mother and baby homes, were routinely transferred to Saint Patricks.

The babies were held there until they were old enough to be transferred to Saint Philomenas or directly to Industrial Schools and it was extremely rare for them to be adopted.

Casual racism and sectarianism were commonplace in the mother and baby homes and among the religious, but while Protestant babies were kept exclusively at the infamous Bethany Home in Rathgar, the mixed race babies and children bore the racism first-hand and additional beatings, abuse and shaming throughout their time in state ‘care‘.

Many mixed race Irish citizens are suffering the emotional and mental scars to this day. Most left Ireland as soon as they could. At some unknown point, Saint Patricks also developed a ‘secure unit’ for women who returned pregnant a second time. They were known as ‘repeat offenders’ and their area was off limits to the first time ‘offenders‘. Other mother and baby homes usually refused ‘second-timers’ and sent them to Saint Patricks.

Changing times

There was a softening of conditions in the late 1940s into the early 1950s in common with the other mother and baby homes in the state.

There were several factors involved in this change of attitude including the appointment of Doctor James Deeny as the state’s Chief Medical Officer in 1944. After a personal visit to the notorious Bessboro Mother and Baby home in Cork followed by a serious confrontation with the Sacred Heart nuns, Dr Deeny courageously closed their mother and baby home and thereby effectively laid down the law to all the homes including Saint Patricks.

The beginning of the banished babies trade in 1945 where Irish babies and children were effectively sold to rich Americans because of a shortage of babies to adopt in America also meant that children were worth more alive than dead. At least 254 children were sent directly to America from St. Patricks.

A third major factor was the passing of the 1952 Adoption Act. Afterwards it became socially acceptable to adopt babies and hence generous donations poured in. Suddenly babies were worth more alive than dead. Conditions were still appalling and sub human by today’s standards but infant mortality rates fell sharply into the mid 1950s and continued to do so until Saint Patrick’s closed.

From the early 1950s to the mid 1970s was the golden age of the adoption machine as up to 97% of all babies born to single mothers were adopted. The money flowed in from America, from donations, from the government paying per capita for every single mother and baby by the week.

Beginning of the end

Conditions softened sharply again throughout the 1970s as ‘Unmarried Mothers Allowance’ was introduced by the Government and a private group to represent the interests of single mothers called ‘cherish’ was formed at the same time.

In Saint Patricks, radios became more common and now ‘residents’ as opposed to ‘inmates‘, stood up to the nuns. As the 1970s progressed and single mothers in common with the rest of society were better educated and more aware of their rights, an increasing number left with their babies.

They found the greatest challenge was to source living accommodation as landlords would not rent flats or house shares to single mothers due to the prevailing stigma attached in a still staunchly Catholic dominated society. Their families would generally not help either as worry about ‘what the neighbours thought’ was still a powerful social  influence.

From the mid 1970s an occasion nun was discretely helpful to those seeking to leave and assisted in finding flats. Numbers continued to fall from their all time highs around 1973 and Saint Patrick’s was effectively finished by the early to mid 1980s. Society had moved on.

After the Navan Road premises were sold in 1985, the nuns transferred their remaining staff and residents to 75 Eglington Road in Donnybrook in plush Dublin 4.

Here the girls and women were in supervised ‘Flatlets’ and were regularly seen by passers-by and local residents, huddled in groups outside, smoking and chatting. The anecdotal evidence is that the residents were mainly professional women in their 20s, bored out of their minds and eager to get back to their careers.

home Eliginton House in Donnybrook, Dublin 4. The second home of Saint Patricks. Paul Redmond Paul Redmond

Facts about Saint Patricks

In late 2012 RTE’s Primetime program broadcast a ‘special’ further elaborating on secret but officially authorised Vaccine Trials in M&B homes in the late 1950s and 1960s.

However, in part two, the program also revealed for the first time that 461 bodies of dead babies and children from Saint Patrick’s mother and baby home and its associated hospital, Saint Kevin’s, were ’donated’ to various medical institutions.

There is no evidence of consent being sought or received from the natural mothers involved. Between 1940 and 1965, Saint Patricks and it’s associated hospital Saint Kevin’s “donated“ the bodies of at least four hundred and sixty-one deceased babies and children for routine dissection practice and/or put to use by medical students and/or used for research in all the major medical teaching institutions in the state, including Trinity College Dublin, The College of Surgeons, and UCD medical school where, coincidentally,  the same Professor Meehan and Doctor (later Professor) Hillary who conducted the vaccine trials worked.

While the nuns remain adamant that they received no money for the bodies, they certainly would have saved a considerable sum by not using undertakers to arrange for the removal and burial of bodies in Glasnevin where they had to pay to open the graves.

 

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On 28 June 1984,  Independent TD Tony Gregory asked a question in the Dáil about the numbers of children remaining in Mother and Baby homes where the mother was no longer present.

He received a detailed answer. In Saint Patricks there were:

1 is 4 years old
2 are 5 years old
2 are 6 years old
1 is 7 years old
1 is 10 years old

And in a follow up question, Minister for Health Desmond replied that the children listed are “severely handicapped” and have been resident since birth.

On the 18 June 2014 about four weeks after the Tuam 800 went global, a front page article by Pamela Duncan in the Irish Times with a follow up on page 7 reveals that “more than 660 children died in the Dublin residential home in seven-year period”.

Duncan’s article involved original research and was based on several of the same Local Government reports to be featured in part two tomorrow. It was the first article during the frenzy after the Tuam 800 story to go into detail about Saint Patrick’s mother and baby home on the Navan Road.

There are currently two Saint Patrick’s groups on Facebook for former residents.

Saint Patricks at both its address’s are under investigation by the current Commission of Inquiry into Mother and Baby homes. Survivors are giving testimony at the moment. The Inquiry is due to report in 2018.

Historical blind spot

The events of 1916 are seared into our national consciousness when around 500 men, women and children died on all sides. At least four times that number died in Saint Patricks and yet they are forgotten.

At the very highest estimate, 3,500, an equal number of Irish citizens died in Saint Patricks as died in the entire 30 years of the northern Ireland ‘Troubles’ across Ireland and the UK. Yet Saint Patricks is a ghost. An historical blind spot in our books and folk memory.

Over 20,000 and probably far more than 25,000 Irish citizens, were former residents of, and deeply affected by, Saint Patricks Mother and Baby home on the Navan Road in Dublin. The majority went to their graves still suffering the emotional and mental scars from their time in this notorious “home”. May those who passed away, Rest In Peace.

Paul Redmond was born in Castlepollard Mother & Baby home and adopted at 17 days old. He has founded several activist or support groups and campaigns for justice for survivors of forced adoption and institutional abuse. He also researches and writes extensively about the history of M&B homes. He was transferred to Saint Patrick’s from Castlepollard Mother and Baby home and remained for 4 days in the wards before being adopted. Part Two of Redmond’s research will be featured tomorrow.

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    Mar 29th 2019, 12:01 PM

    The EU in its current form and where it is headed (Federal States of Europe) should be of grave concern to the Irish people, especially now as we are losing a valuable ally in Britain. The #Brexit negotiations were a valuable, but now lost opportunity for Ireland to strike for much better arrangements that would have tempered the effects of what is coming down the tracks.
    People in Ireland romanticise about the EU, but really what they look back on is the EEC. The EU in its current form is merely a vehicle for a USE where Ireland will not have any wriggle room to be creative about offsetting our set to increase geographical disadvantage, as an island off the west coast of Europe.

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    @Daniel Dunne: and now with articles 11 & 13 being passed it’s the death knell for free speech on the Internet (in the guise of copyright nonsense).

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    Mar 29th 2019, 12:39 PM

    @Bill Clay: Articles the majority of Irish MEPs voted in favour for or abstained. Difficult to claim it as an EU problem when those we elect were ushering it in.

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    @Rochelle:

    Chickens voting for KFC comes to mind.

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    Mar 29th 2019, 1:44 PM

    @Rochelle: let’s face it, 99.999999% of the country has no idea what Irish MEPs voting records are. We are far attached from what goes on in Brussels.

    Personally, I’d like to see the EU parliament reduced in size and only devise optional directives that all member states have to put through their own legislature (Dail being ours).

    Accountability is missing.

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    @Mushy Peas: True and the media carry a lot of blame on this, but for this instance and for anyone reading this who may be interested with the European elections coming up..

    Those in favour of Article 13:
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    Voted against by:
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    @Daniel Dunne: If you look at the map, Ireland location is vital the only land between america canada, The Eu sees this as vital control point to the pacific it’s like a rook on a chess board. MORE CONTROL FOR THE MANIAC’S

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    @Noel McGuinness: We are a hell of a long way from the Pacific Ocean, so I don’t really get your point.

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    @Daniel Dunne: Please elaborate on these “grave” concerns, and how will our creativity be crippled by this Federation of states you speak of!!!

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    He thinks Venezuela is a great socialist country, enough said.

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    @Pat Mullin: Was about to say the same thing. Even if you consider him right in what he said, was he right to actually say it at all?

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    Did I mention he said that? Whatever you do don’t put words in my mouth.
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    A quote by Mickie D on Chavez..“President Chavez achieved a great deal during his term in office, particularly in the area of social development and poverty reduction.”

    The reality…Tyranny is one of the most successful political forms the world has ever seen, and it continually mutates to prey upon the host, humanity. Hugo Chávez died stricken with cancer in a hospital bed in Havana, Cuba, but he has inflicted a great curse upon Venezuela: a murder rate worse than Iraq’s at the time of his death, a broken society, a superheating economy and tons of Kalashnikovs in the barrios, citizens eating from garbage, It’s pretty dire given the wealth of oil gold Chávez has squandered..and now Maduro.

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    @Candace: so you made up your original comment and tried to justify same by taking an except from a speech out of context. Hmm…,Doesn’t pass the smell test.

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    Mickie D and Chavez are cut from the same cloth, Socialists, a la carte Communists. Of course it wouldn’t pass the smell test if you had chit for brains.

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    Any pretense that europe was a good thing for Ireland disappeared when we got saddled with 42% of the banking crash debt, despite only being 1% of europes population. The other nations should have stood up for us, even if the useless shower in government at the time and since wouldn’t. Solidarity my backside.

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    @The Risen: You mean the debt that we owed and have mostly paid back? That debt?

    Drop it already. If it wasn’t that you’d have some other shite to moan about the EU.

    I see your comments a lot on here. It’s constant belittling and moaning and no substance or a hint of constructive criticism.

    Ireland is doing better than all the other peripheral nations that were badly affected by the 2008 crash. Why’s that? Oh yeah. Because we were good to our word.

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    @David Rogers: Debt that we have mostly paid back???
    The same debt that our grandchildren will still be paying??
    mostly paid back….Ha ha Ha

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    @David Rogers:
    The debt will never be fully repaid. Nor will Germany’s or the other 6 of the top 10 most indebted countries in the world – all presently EU members. That can is kicked down the road along side America’s ever increasing debt ceiling. It’s irrevocably out of control.

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    @Pixie McMullen:

    “mostly” was a bit of a stretch, admitted. Over half would’ve been more accurate. We’ve paid off the IMF, Sweden and Denmark. It’s not nearly as bad as you make it out to be.

    And yeah. That’s how loans work. If you’ve got a problem with it take it up with Bertie and the Fianna Failers that were in charge when this mess was caused.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ireland-still-owes-44-5bn-in-bailout-loans-after-paying-off-imf-early-1.3334972

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    @David Rogers: the debt, much of which we are under

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    @David Rogers: the debt, much of which we were under no legal obligation to pay back? The debt, which large portions of originated in French and German banking institutions? The same debt which was racked up under the supervision of the ECB?

    You Ben over and take it dry without as much as a pillow to bite, whilst giving deference to the everyone bar the Irish tax payer, but I will not. We were rightly shafted by the EU and all your revisionism will not alter that.

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    Mar 29th 2019, 1:13 PM

    @David Rogers: yeah, and look what “Nearly Half” paid back in such a short time has done to the Country – It`s a bloody basket case in EVERY sense of the word – cuts to Gardaí because we had to pay the bankers has the crime through the roof – Defense forces on it`s knees, Biggest homeless numbers since the famine times,
    slashing of medical cards for sick children,
    slashing loan parents to the bone,
    slashing of SNA`s home help hours for elderly,
    slashing of respite for elderly and the handicapped,
    500,000 people on a waiting list for a procedure,
    The scams like Jobsbridge and Turas Nua,
    manipulation of true job numbers,
    I could go on, but you get the picture –
    All because we have to be seen to be the good boy and pay off debt early – while the likes of France get to keep running defecits with no penalty –
    ALL THIS has been done by your Fine Gael crowd that you seem bent on defending
    Get a grip man, the Risen makes a lot more sense than you , yet you attack him.

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    @Pixie McMullen: Well said. David Rogers… your retort, please?

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    Mar 29th 2019, 2:25 PM

    @The Risen: Great little documentary on utube. The secret bank bailout by Harold schumann a german journalist. It was shown on German tv and names the bondholders. Harold recons the Irish were robbed blind and really worth a view. A few of our politicians are interviewed as well. Interesting to see what they really think.

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    Mar 29th 2019, 3:10 PM

    @David Rogers:
    How exactly was it ‘our’ debt?
    This was private debt between private individuals and private banks (backed by private – mostly german – bondholders).
    Are you labouring under the impression that this was money borrowed by the state to fund the economy, as was the case in Greece?
    The big boys in Europe basically put a gun to Brian Lenihan’s head and told him he needed to ‘socialise’ the debt in order to protect German bond holders.

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    Mar 29th 2019, 7:15 PM

    @David Rogers: What part of ITS NOT OUR DEBT do you not understand?

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    Mar 29th 2019, 9:15 PM

    @Pixie McMullen: 100% correct.

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    Mar 29th 2019, 12:24 PM

    Bit rich for a lad to lecture about social divide when he took the Lear jet from Dublin to Belfast and also got his driver to follow by road to collect him from the plane. Champagne Socialist.

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    Mar 29th 2019, 1:33 PM

    @Hugh Jass: Sure he spent 11 grand taking the ould jet for a spin down to Kerry a few times…… Fckin` KERRY!!
    One was to attend a concert!
    On February 16 President Higgins was flown to Kerry airport, with the Learjet immediately returning to Baldonnel Airport in Dublin.

    The following day, February 17, the jet was flown back to Kerry to pick up The President and bring him back to Dublin.

    According to the Government’s figures the cost of the entire four-flight journey cost €11,340

    https://www.independent.ie/regionals/kerryman/news/higgins-kerry-flights-cost-state-over-11k-36795063.html

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    Mar 29th 2019, 4:05 PM

    @Hugh Jass: And it pales in comparison to the cost of ownership of a jet.. He should be using the plane, otherwise it’s more of a waste.

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    Mar 29th 2019, 5:14 PM

    @ED: Oh right so we have a jet so let’s use it for everything? 11k for a round trip to Kerry is ridiculous.

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    Mar 29th 2019, 7:24 PM

    @Pixie McMullen: Cheap at the price. He is our President. You want him to call a cab? Its a pittance. Lose change. Pocket money.

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    Mar 29th 2019, 7:58 PM

    @Paul Whitehead: he could have taken one of his government appointed cars with driver, of which he has 2 to choose from, actually gone and seen a bit of his country he represents, but no, he’ d rather fly down to a concert, send the plane back, then bring the plane back down the next day to bring him home, why couldn’t he at least leave the plane down overnight on Kerry under guard for the night instead of making it a double round trip??
    That just smacks of Elitism, from a man supposedly of the people, what a waste of resources, and for what exactly?

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    Mar 29th 2019, 7:59 PM

    @Paul Whitehead: It may be a pittance to you. To those on minimum wages it is half a year’s income. And as I recall MDH lectured us about climate change on the 17th of this month – practice what you preach and all of that.

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    Mar 29th 2019, 12:11 PM

    When are we going to see your accounts ye chancer? What about the pay rise for your ‘special advisor’ that broke the salary max rule? Little (cranky) man with big ideas!

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    Mar 29th 2019, 12:24 PM

    Firstly, its a pity he wasn’t saying things like this when he was a labour politocian. Different political agendas. Secondly, by making statements like this, like the rest of our gombeen politicians, he’s looking for a legacy, saying or doing something so people will remember him and say what a great fella he was, and thirdly, he mustn’t have seen the recent brief where all our establishment politicians and media are currently bombarding us with how great the EU is.

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    Mar 29th 2019, 1:15 PM

    @Adrian: You hit that nail on the head.

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    Mar 29th 2019, 1:56 PM

    @Battaz: What? Did you read a different comment to me? All I see here is incoherent babbling. Where was the nail-hitting bit??

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    Mar 29th 2019, 5:49 PM

    @Joe Phillips: Micky D is a hypocritical opportunist. Succinct enough?

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    Mar 29th 2019, 11:55 AM

    He was wonderful in the Harry Potter movies. I cried a river when he was so cruelly killed.
    At least he died a Free Elf.

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    Mute Sean Ryan
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    Mar 29th 2019, 12:08 PM

    The President has no right to involve himself in politics This is the function of The Executive The Government must remind him of this fact

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    Mar 29th 2019, 12:46 PM

    @Sean Ryan: tell Mary Robinson that. Haha

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    Mar 29th 2019, 1:20 PM

    @THE DUKE: Mary Robinson isn’t The President. Back to Low Babies for you!

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    Mar 29th 2019, 1:24 PM

    @Orla Smith: you’re some dose man

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    Mar 29th 2019, 1:45 PM

    @Orla She saw the light after one term

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    Mar 29th 2019, 1:54 PM

    @Sean Ryan: He does however have the right to his opinion does he not?

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    Mar 29th 2019, 12:03 PM

    Yes to President. EU is seen as too bereaucraic and not operational enough reaching out more upfront with the people. It’s a good idea but not working properly. All the union countries have a nationalistic streak and like the UK would leave if given the chance.

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    Mar 29th 2019, 12:15 PM

    The old waffler is giving forth “de profundis” again. His Trotskyite ideology is as failed a concept as he is!

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    Mar 29th 2019, 11:55 AM

    Does he not have some chemists to open?

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    Mar 29th 2019, 12:34 PM

    @Cupid Stunt: Have you not got somewhere else to be of no help to anyone to be?

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    Mar 29th 2019, 1:11 PM

    The extremely wealthy love telling us how awful it is to be poor.

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    Mar 29th 2019, 2:15 PM

    Over paid, over pensioned and taking the mickey with his Lear jet use up to Belfast.

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    Mar 29th 2019, 2:24 PM

    The streets of Dublin are littered with what Our President describes as “The left out”
    One might ask what he ,whilst a Govt Minister did for those unfortunate people . Maybe watching the news or reading the papers might give him some idea of the life of the “Left Out” on the streets of our Capital City Come down from your Ivory Tower Mr President and walk the streets of Dublin at night where hardly a doorway is unoccupied by “The left out”

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    Mar 29th 2019, 3:21 PM

    The EU needs to go back to its founding principles of promoting peace and trade,or break up,people do not want this militarisation of the EU.

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    Mar 29th 2019, 10:56 PM

    @@mdmak33: Nato is just a savers club to buy un-needed weapons from the US as Russia is the manufactured enemy for arms sales in Europe.

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    Mar 29th 2019, 10:58 PM

    @@mdmak33: The EU is run by bankers, and its open for business for anything?

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    Mar 30th 2019, 7:54 AM

    @TamuMassif2019:
    Ask the people of Ukraine if they see Russia as a manufactured enemy…

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    Mar 29th 2019, 1:41 PM

    Socialist mumbo jumbo meaningless buzz words, like `social cohesion`, equality`etc, stock in trade for septuagenarian lefties like Higgins who had been writing this unreadable drivel for decades now.
    Because of the botched and incompetent Brexit the federalist socialist agenda of the EU has been overlooked for the past few years.
    Once the bothersome Brits are out of the way tho, it will be payback time, first item on the agenda Ireland`s corporate rate, then roll on `integration`harmonization` etc ie; federation, European Army etc, and just wait until your little darlings get conscripted in a couple of years time, people need to wise up and red pill on the EU, inform yourself, and you won`t find out what`s really happening by watching RTE/Virgin media/DO`B media.

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    Mar 29th 2019, 7:06 PM

    @Patrick James Walsh: In round figures Ireland owes 200 Billion. Since then we borrowed an additional 160 Billion 60 Billion of this went into the banks but we are due to get 30 of that back So of the 200 billion we owe only 30 billion has to do with bailed out banks and as a result of the course we took the government can issue bonds at 0.5% Why are you not a incensed about the other 130 Billion that was borrowed to fund the budget deficit during the same time?

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    Mar 29th 2019, 2:02 PM

    Spot on Michael D, I’m firmly a euro-skeptic at this point which is unfortunate for all the benefits the EEC and the EU has brought Ireland. There should be a major effort made to make the EU more accountable to its citizens and more transparency into what laws they are planning on drafting and passing. Article 11 and 13 will set a very bad precedent for start-ups and independent creators/commentators – even Silicon Valley will have trouble implementing the filters/algorithms being asked for here

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    Mar 29th 2019, 12:22 PM

    Michael D is a genius. All the clowns and well read clowns throughout the governing can’t even figure something as simple as that. But then again they spend to much time thinking we’re the clowns.

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    Mar 29th 2019, 12:29 PM

    @Declan Lennon: What is the”governing”?

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    Mar 29th 2019, 12:30 PM

    The biggest issue with Brexit is the north and there isn’t even a government in the north..

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    Mar 29th 2019, 5:11 PM

    Diddley dee hobbit

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    Mar 29th 2019, 6:48 PM

    We should have had a “new mind” instead of re-electing him…

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    Mar 29th 2019, 1:53 PM

    But you liked the money to pay back the bank debt when it came in. And UK would not have help much at the time if I remember… Now that Ireland is the only country in Ireland speaking English as a first language, many would think leaving… Pat back the debt first.

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    Mar 29th 2019, 3:30 PM

    Of course our President can have an opinion and I’m glad he shares it with us. Great man.

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    Mar 29th 2019, 5:50 PM

    @Tim Oleary: #notmypresident

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    Mar 29th 2019, 6:06 PM

    @Daniel Dunne: If you look at the map, Ireland location is vital the only land between america canada, The Eu sees this as vital control point to the pacific it’s like a rook on a chess board. MORE CONTROL FOR THE MANIAC’S – more meandering bull$&!t from mick d

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    Mar 29th 2019, 10:53 PM

    I fear that bankers, the IMF and Germany will bring the EU crashing down on everyones heads. If the UK leaves the EU then when the EU crashes, they might be our life buoy then?

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    Mar 30th 2019, 12:27 AM

    Well done Michael D .Your are a great speaker
    and have a great vision to see the truth in complex
    situation,s

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    Mar 29th 2019, 1:24 PM

    Muppet. Not the time to be critisizing the EU.

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    Mar 29th 2019, 6:03 PM

    @Daniel Dunne: If you look at the map, Ireland location is vital the only land between america canada, The Eu sees this as vital control point to the pacific it’s like a rook on a chess board. MORE CONTROL FOR THE MANIAC’S – more meandering bull$h!t

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