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What is it that makes Irish people fight over wills?

Where there’s a will – there’s a potential family falling out of seismic proportions.

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IT WOULD BE tough to find a family in Ireland that hasn’t seen a fight over a will at some point or another.

Get-togethers are so often abuzz with talk of a great aunt unceremoniously disinherited, or an uncle, sure of his right to the family farm, passed over for a more favoured sibling.

While anecdotally these conflicts seem commonplace, is there anything uniquely Irish about them?

For one thing, the overall number of people with wills in this country is low.

“It is only three in 10 Irish people who have drafted a will. It is information that really hasn’t improved hugely over the years since we were established,” explains Susan O’Dwyer, chairperson of MyLegacy.ie.

Her organisation focuses on encouraging people to make wills before passing away, and to consider a charitable donation as part of it.

“I think there are various reasons [people don't make wills],” O’Dwyer says, “I think people automatically assume that a will means death. Or it is something that they’re too busy for. That they can do another day.”

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Oscar Wilde left his estate to his son Vyvyan and his friend Robert Ross 

When a person dies without leaving a will, they are said to die intestate – meaning their money and property will be distributed under the Succession Act 1965.

There are some things that the law is pretty firm on – it is very unusual for a spouse to be completely disinherited, for example – but generally speaking, there is plenty of room for interpretation, meaning plenty of room for disagreement.

What is it that makes people fight over wills?

“A lot of the time the actual amount is never really the issue,” explains Mark Small, the managing director of Mediate Ireland. “It is more, ‘I feel I have been treated unfairly’, and they quantify that with the money element of it.”

Mediation works in tandem with the legal process that inevitably follows a death and ideally should allow potential heirs to come to a resolution among themselves.

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Charles Parnell left his estate to his second wife Katharine Parnell (formerly Katharine O’Shea)

While it might seem obvious, one big problem in reaching consensus is that the atmosphere in the immediate aftermath of a loved one’s death is extremely emotionally charged.

People are grieving, and sometimes past issues arise in the context of a will that really have no bearing on it. They all get sorted out at the same time because people are hurting.

Clare O’Keeffe, a mediator with Succession Ireland, does much of her work in the rural community.

While spouses and siblings may see their share of an estate as directly representative of what they deserve, the reality is a lot more complicated.

“There might be someone with special needs who could be living with their parents, but if the parents move on or die – who will take care of that person? Do they have to be financially able?,” says O’Keeffe.

Whoever gets the family business is supposed to look after this person with special needs – but they might not be the best person to do it. Situations like that do arise.

The land 

Besides the low rate of uptake of people making wills, pitted battles for the family farm are also a unique feature of Irish inheritance disputes.

“I suppose where we are different, and this would come from experience working within the farming community, is that we have this huge attachment to the land,” says Small.

Specific sections of the Succession Act cater for this, and a number of Irish solicitors list it as an area of speciality.

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A section of the Succession Act that deals with farms

“Most of the work we do is succession planning for family businesses,” says O’Keeffe, “A business might have been in the family for a few generations and there would be an emotional attachment to it.”

You’re then listening to the history and the emotional attachment of letting it go from one generation to the next. Listening to and hearing about how this asset came into the family.

O’Keeffe has also noticed gender coming into play on this issue.

The difference in gender is always something to look at. There is a little bit of an unbalance – sometimes. The adult daughters may be the primary carers in the later years in terms of the medical side of things but the assets tend to be favoured toward going to their sons.

What can you do to stay out of trouble?

A person can make a will for around €150 – not much considering the heartache it might save down the line.

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WB Yeats left his estate to his widow Bertha Georgie Yeats (Georgie Hyde-Lee) 

Perhaps the best way to avoid potential disputes is for individuals to include their heirs in discussions over their estate.

“Actually discussing with your loved ones what it exactly is you are going to do, you are reducing the likelihood of any sort of trouble after you have passed away,” says O’Dwyer.

This, she explains, is particularly pertinent when a charitable gift is being included – saying that, “People perhaps don’t understand the impact that the leaving of a gift, not matter how small, can have a big benefit for a charity, and make a difference after a person has passed away.

That is in essence what a will is all about.

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    Apr 13th 2013, 12:16 PM

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    Apr 13th 2013, 1:09 PM

    No!
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    Apr 13th 2013, 7:16 PM

    Have to say OU182 that was a mighty fine comment.. Ireland could do with you in the department of tourism!

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    Apr 13th 2013, 7:28 PM

    In fact, (my partner and I were just discussing your movie idea – which is fantastic, just think Tír na n’Óg, Children of Lír, Ireland is stuffed to the gills with fantasy ripe for the cinema, its been huge in recent years) as Ireland was on Peter Jacksons short list of locations when he thought he might not be able to film the Hobbit in New Zealand, we should be promoting the hell out of our landscape to filmakers for fantasy films, hopefully the success of Game of Thrones in the north may tempt a few more directors to take a look around this little island of ours! (There have been a few but sadly they didn’t do so well.. The classical Irish myths and legends would be big hits with audiences all over the world who have embraced them already).

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    Apr 13th 2013, 8:04 PM

    It’s amazing they haven’t been done already.
    Peter Jackson would be top choice for me.
    Part funding is a great idea.

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    Apr 14th 2013, 1:26 AM

    There’s so much fantasy stuff which could be internationally cast (they don’t all have to be Irish, we just need people who would look & sound Irish). The stories are amazing. Update them to match the current fantasy driven releases & there’s no reason they wouldn’t be hits. The tourism board & the film board could partially fund it with the remaining coming from the studio that makes it

    Guillermo del Toro who was supposed to direct The Hobbit, filmed part of Hellboy II in Ireland – (from wikipedia & spoilers ahead for anyone who hasn’t seen it: “Nuada kidnaps his sister and critically wounds Hellboy with his spear. Unable to remove the spear shard, Liz, Abe and Krauss take Hellboy to the location of the Golden Army in The Giants Causeway County Antrim, Northern Ireland. They encounter a Bethmoora goblin, and he brings them before the Angel of Death, who has been awaiting their arrival. ”

    It looks amazing on screen & is instantly recognisable. The old Irish tales are fantastic in depth & history & fantasy. A slight modernisation, a decent cast & a director who knows what to do with a good story & there’s huge potential, both in terms of box office revenue & tourism boosts (proven in the past).

    Would probably be crucified for this, but if you had the likes of Chris Helmsworth or a beefed up Robert Pattinson playing CuChulain (Michael Fasbender was linked to the role a year ago but nothing happened), that would bring girls in to see it, the fantasy would bring the guys in & the quality of the stories would bring everyone else.

    I should do a kickstarter to raise the funds for a proof of concept start.

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    Apr 14th 2013, 3:49 AM

    Can’t beat the Táin for an epic ending – strapped dying to a rock, facing the horde. Mind you, we’d have to change the whole ‘going to war for cows’ thing a bit…

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    Jul 14th 2013, 12:30 AM

    Perhaps sacred cows …. pro life pro choice

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    Apr 13th 2013, 11:22 AM

    I think the funniest comments of the week are happening right now on the “Plane shot over runway into the sea” article
    Ohhh we are a funny lot ;)

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    Apr 13th 2013, 1:49 PM

    “THIS IS (!) A CATHOLIC COUNTRY!” lol

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    Apr 13th 2013, 2:09 PM

    Exactly. Gas :)

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    Apr 13th 2013, 12:45 PM

    Where’s my one about taking a shite,a good 1,000 on that baby,haha.not that I care like :-)

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    Apr 13th 2013, 1:16 PM

    And the past few weeks, Christine?

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    Apr 13th 2013, 1:25 PM

    Oh no, he’s kicking off again.

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    Apr 13th 2013, 1:47 PM

    That’s right, Little Jim, you bow down to the Man (or in this case Woman).

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    Apr 13th 2013, 2:06 PM

    That’s what she said last night!

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    Apr 13th 2013, 2:12 PM

    Be nice to eachother and I’m not going to tell ye again.Now behave.

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    Apr 13th 2013, 2:49 PM

    So I take it ya you took on my suggestion from last week Christine, or is it a coincidence? :)

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