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Charlie Murphy as Elizabeth, Ruth Bradley as Frances and Sarah Greene as May.

What's up with the f****** swearing in RTÉ's new 1916 drama?

And is it historically accurate?

THERE ARE – UNLESS RTÉ has managed somehow to mis-sell its lavish new 1916 drama – plenty of scenes of misery, death and destruction still to come in the next few episodes of Rebellion.

Episode one, which aired tonight, focused on introducing its five main protagonists – and was, by comparison, a more sedate affair.

There was plenty going on – but it’s probably fair to say that the most striking scene happened late on: as the characters played by Ruth Bradley (Frances) and Sarah Greene (May) took verbal potshots at each other about the fact that one of them was “fucking an Englishman”.

The language, even in the bowels of Connolly’s print shop, had been pretty sedate up to that point in the episode – which made the exchange all the more jarring.

Historically accurate

Writer Colin Teevan was asked about the language used in the scene after the press screening of the first episode, before Christmas.

It was something they’d put a lot of thought into, he explained.

While the word had, for centuries, been used for the ‘the act’ – “in terms of the obscenity with ‘off’ – it’s not used until the 1920s”.

So that’s where you have to be very particular.

All of which probably explains why it’s a little odd to watch two young middle-class characters (from a historical drama – of all things) use the word to describe ‘the act’: in recent years – everything from Roddy Doyle films to Love/Hate – we’re used to ‘fuck’ being used in far more creative ways, seldom if ever for the act itself.

brian Down in Connolly's union print shop - where you'll rarely hear an f-word spoken. RTÉ RTÉ

Before talkies 

Language (all of it, not just of the four-letter variety) was a major consideration throughout the writing process, Teevan said.

“The usage … we had to be careful not to Americanise,” he noted – pointing out that the events depicted happened before the spread of ‘talkies’ throughout the Western world and the arrival of US soldiers in Europe for World War I.

When in doubt, he used a historical thesaurus to find synonyms for words now in everyday use but which may not have been part of the general parlance a century ago.

He explained:

“So if you take ‘okay’: ‘okay’ would have only come over with the American soldiers at the end of the First World War – two years before that, no-one was saying ‘okay’. People would have said ‘alright’.

So even really simple banalities like that, we would have tried to keep on top of.

The writer acknowledged he couldn’t be entirely sure there weren’t still a few stray ‘okays’ in the five-part series.

But if you happen to see a rogue British Army officer telling Pearse to ‘fuck off out of the GPO’ you’ll probably have grounds for a strongly-worded complaint to RTÉ.

Read: We got a first look at RTÉ’s major new 1916 drama – here’s everything you need to know >

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:46 PM

    Really enjoyed it tonight and looking forward to the next few episodes. Sick of all the begrudgers in the comments section of the journal.

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:32 PM

    Very good show. Well done.

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:43 PM

    I liked it but on another issue. Who thought the New Years Day Sherlock episode was the biggest load of shite? It’s obvious it’s being aimed at the American audience. More soap opera than crime show.

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 11:04 PM

    I loved it…and I aint no yank…

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    Jan 4th 2016, 12:55 AM

    Here, this isn’t boards.ie you thick.

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    Jan 4th 2016, 7:21 AM

    Jeez Richie just give us your opinion on Sherlock already

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    Jan 4th 2016, 8:22 AM

    Ironically, Richie is probably more suited to Bebo. Usually, teenagers with limited debating technique resort to calling each other “you thick”!

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    Jan 4th 2016, 10:29 AM

    John spot on, it was undiluted drivel, totally focused on pursuing the BBC liberalist feminist agenda, could not get my head around any of the sub plots. Did you catch Klondike, i though it was pretty good, otherwise TV over Christmas was awful

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:48 PM

    I counted at least 6 ex Love/Hate cast so far , like ‘Charlie’ RTE do like to keep it in the family, nearly as bad as the repeatedly used quiz and talk show hosts.But it wasn’t bad in saying that except I’m not so sure there was ‘double yellow lines’ on the streets in 1914. Anyone else spot that

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 11:54 PM

    Yes spotted the yellow lines as well

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    Jan 4th 2016, 12:18 AM

    I don’t think that it is an RTE thing about the casting as the series made by an independent company. They use the talent that is available and also the actors that will draw the viewers the same as in films. Ireland has a small enough pool of seasoned Irish actors that could be cast in those roles and so far I am surprised that we haven’t seen the usual faces like Liam Cunningham or Charlene McKenna.

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    Jan 4th 2016, 12:45 AM

    So what you saw double yellow lines – can you not just enjoy the show! Way too critical!

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    Jan 4th 2016, 1:06 AM

    Sure what harm, he was only half a yard offside

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    Jan 4th 2016, 3:54 AM

    I d like to know are the Gleeson s the only acting family in the country? ..I feel like we ‘re being drip Fed them one by one ..can someone tell me how many more siblings are going to crop up ??

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    Jan 4th 2016, 11:09 AM

    A gleeson just nailed it in the biggest movie of 2015, so they are on screen because of merit.

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:56 PM

    Lukewarm start,but to be fair the characters are only being introduced,and unlike the leaders ..are fictional..will watch the next episode or two before judgement ..

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 11:58 PM

    Counted ten ads in the first break!!

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    Jan 4th 2016, 12:08 AM

    Well if it doesn’t live up to expectation then there is always War and Peace or Deutschland on the other channels.

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    Jan 4th 2016, 12:47 AM

    This programme is the prequel to Love\Hate I guess

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    Jan 4th 2016, 12:55 AM

    That seems to be the hilarious conclusion of a lot of people

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    Jan 4th 2016, 1:29 AM

    I’m more supprised people on here after all the slagging they give rte still tune in to watch the crap on it

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    Jan 4th 2016, 2:13 AM

    Surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:52 PM

    I quite enjoyed it . It was a bit slow for first half but I will give it another go next weekend .

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:43 PM

    I too am shocked at a word that has been in use for over 600 years.
    Really shocked.
    Shocked beyond belief.
    I’m writing letters to Garret Fitzgerald, Charlie Haughey, and Dick Spring about this shocking use of a 600 year old word.

    Shocked.

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:34 PM

    Poorly written, they used the word “brainwashed” which was not coined until after the Korean War.

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:42 PM

    Only proves that it is a fictional account of it, a fairy tale really?

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:45 PM

    When one guy called another a “dirty dog” at the dinner party I had to check that John Wayne hadn’t posthumously popped up in RTEs drama department. The dialogue is badly written and you’d get a more convincing delivery from a naughty 4 year old.

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:48 PM

    For fear of being called a Blueshirt or a West Brit, the dialogue is brutal. Great looking show but it’s a bit shallow.

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:35 PM

    Just waiting on the Nidge weasel to show up in his brand new customised Nikes he got for Christmas #getsomenewactors!

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 11:07 PM

    Thought it was very good expecting the usual it’s useless comments seen as us Irish can’t stand to see anything Irish do well

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 11:16 PM

    @tomas o beag,
    Did we watch the same show?
    I thought it was pure RTE cardboard cutout stuff, just brutal.

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:28 PM

    Watched about 20 mins. It was like having teeth pulled.I suppose we shouldn’t expect much from RTE at this stage but this dreck is just insulting ..

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:29 PM

    On a scale of 1-10 how west brit was it? Or how much of an Irish downtown abbey was it?

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:33 PM

    It’s on now again. I’ll give it a go.

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:40 PM

    That’s not the main problem.Everything from the acting, scripting, direction and story are just ropey.And what is with the over the top string quartet banging on continuously…Imagine Downton with the production values of Fair City trying to plug a cardboard cutout feminist angle… It’s just that bad…. Basically it’s bad porn without the f•cking…

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:45 PM

    I get ya rasputin.. With that and the the very “posh” theme.. Don’t think I’ll be watching it

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:47 PM

    Bit of a slow start. I might get back to my Pablo Escobar documentary on Netflix. It’s in subtitles so you know it’s going to be good.

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 11:54 PM

    I enjoyed it. Not West Brit at all tb fair

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    Jan 4th 2016, 1:37 AM

    “Imagine Downton with the production values of Fair City trying to plug a cardboard cutout feminist angle… It’s just that bad…. Basically it’s bad porn without the f•cking…”

    That’s a great description and exactly what I’d expect.

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    Jan 4th 2016, 2:06 AM

    A poor mans Downton Abbey with guns, parking meters and a gender quota. Those who were raised on a diet of Fair City and other mind rot like it will lap it up.

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    Jan 4th 2016, 11:31 AM

    I wouldn’t watch anything on rte on the 1916 rising because it’s all sanitised

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:49 PM

    What’s with the gratuitous foul language? 80% of people watching will have winced in discomfort at the inaccurate mention of Sinn Fein in the first episode, particularly as it had absolutely no involvement in the planning or fighting on the rebel side

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:55 PM

    In fairness, the British thought that they did. So that part is accurate.

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:29 PM

    Absolutely predictable West Brit revisionism, also very boring.

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:32 PM

    As worryingly predicted… Rte are not allowed to show big bad scary Republicans lol

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 11:30 PM

    Shaping up to be an excellent series but let’s face it, the RTE genepool is so thin, they are practically cross-eyed.

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    Jan 4th 2016, 9:02 AM

    Was just thinking the same thing last night when I switched over to Mike Murphy doing a quiz show ffs! Without colour, it looked like it was made 30 years ago

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:32 PM

    I heard Liberty Hall being mentioned, is that the same place that the current shower of Labour TDS hold their public meetings in fear of the general population asking awkward questions. .How times have changed.

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:52 PM

    It seems that a lot of you critics watch Fair City….

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 11:07 PM

    Loved it..!!! All the “ladies” waiting at the docks on a silver platter for the soldiers. So what if she’d rather “fcuk an Englishman…!

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:38 PM

    Watching grass grow would have been more stimulating. The yanks will lap this rubbish up when it’s sold on.

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:38 PM

    RTE will know what version to sell anyway… Nothing about the British army going around pretending to be the IRA shooting people then?

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 11:24 PM

    Overall good with some potentially good characters (women mostly) a few little slips alright and the gratuitous bad language did grate a bit. The background of the Home Rule Redmond vs Carson was a bit too brief but is probably a bit dry for a TV drama. The militaria was ok, the mixture of German Mauser Gewehr 98 and British army Lee Enfield SMLE rifles being handed out without issuing the relevant of type rounds of ammunition for the different calibre guns was a small oversight. But then we don’t miss a thing in the detail here in Ireland. So far so good with the series.

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:34 PM

    “fcuking an English man” that’s it Rte.. Get you’re colonial mentally in there early

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:28 PM

    It’s quite good, I almost cried at the start.

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:30 PM

    Fair city with guns

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:43 PM

    Knickers and handbags at dawn stuff lol.

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 11:25 PM

    We want to celebrate and venerate the men and women of 1916, but how much do we know about them, or their backgrounds and motives? It’s an evolving and living thing, this Rebellion.

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 11:35 PM

    It is funny how we say how they were great then and if they were alive today they would have another rising to get out of the E.U. now and that is a fact and yet we celebrate them, strange?

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    Jan 4th 2016, 12:04 AM

    Fair city with guns now that might be interesting. But do the actors look off into the distance in deep thought after ever conversation???

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    Jan 4th 2016, 11:36 AM

    That’s cos we’re a death worshipping people

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    Jan 4th 2016, 12:15 AM

    Always the way with Irish programmes, pure filth. F this, F that you F’ing C, even the weather reporter said last week “Shove storm frank up you B*****ks”

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    Jan 4th 2016, 1:26 AM

    Why is it that Irish people always have to criticize their own but if the same programme was made in England it would be brilliant. Hypocrites

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    Jan 4th 2016, 9:07 AM

    William, you hit the nail on the head. People would be saying how amazing it was if it was a foreign production. Anything Irish, whether it be a film or an athlete, Irish begrudgers love to put it down. It’s really quite pathetic.

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    Jan 4th 2016, 10:14 AM

    @William Ryan,
    We criticised it because it was sh!te, not because it was Irish.

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:51 PM

    Slightly disappointed, was sure Liam Neeson was gonna make a cameo

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    Jan 4th 2016, 12:07 AM

    Would ye go easy on the riddlin’

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 11:57 PM

    Was it just me or did anyone else see the parking metre on the street

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 11:39 PM

    Talk about reading too much into it…

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:52 PM

    We were subjected to learning Irish as kids what good did that do? Emigration and unemployment. Now we are being subjected to 1916 rubbish all paid for by taxpayers who I am sure would prefer houses built with the money.

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 11:23 PM

    Oh you poor thing, someone should do a charity single to raise awareness of the horrors you have suffered, Imagine a country making their kids learn their native language, the cheek of them!

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    Jan 4th 2016, 11:26 AM

    @Timmy Og: English is predominantly our native language, if you haven’t already noticed!

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    Jan 4th 2016, 1:20 PM

    @john, I think you need to take a look at the constitution

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 10:48 PM

    Sinn Fein the Republican Party

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    Jan 4th 2016, 3:21 AM

    Near the end did someone say they’d ‘pop a cap in his motherfcukin ass?’ Or was that me just channel hopping?

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 11:43 PM

    Fu (k is in the dictionary, calm down

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    Jan 4th 2016, 12:16 AM

    Any word that is in the English dictionary should be allowed to be put forward! Otherwise the journal should make sure that they are removed from the dictionary at once!

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    Jan 4th 2016, 7:48 AM

    well they could have used screw, shag, bang, hump etc, but I prefer fu!ck myself.

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 11:49 PM

    Stephen in Braveheart: ‘Don’t change the subject, just answer the fu(kin’ question’ and ‘…..he’s pretty sure you’re fu(ked!’ And that was set in the 1300s. Seriously journal, what are you at?

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    Jan 4th 2016, 12:35 AM

    If you look closely in one of the battle scenes in Braveheart you can see a fella wearing glasses.

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    Jan 4th 2016, 12:53 AM

    William Wally?

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    Jan 4th 2016, 7:41 AM

    Very short sighted of Mel!!!!

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    Jan 4th 2016, 11:19 AM

    Spectacular!

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    Jan 4th 2016, 4:06 AM

    Lets acknowledge that we’ve all been f@cked by RTE for years

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 11:51 PM

    Almost as good as Operation Transformation.

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    Jan 4th 2016, 3:33 AM

    Clunky dialogue, cardboard cut out stereotypes basically boring and predictable.

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    Jan 3rd 2016, 11:53 PM

    Is the “English” fella in Dublin Castle that Sarah Greene’s character is snagging the bloke from the Axa advert?

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    Jan 4th 2016, 8:44 AM

    A mixture of Downton Abbey, Love Hate and Faircity was a bit sh*t, i spotted double glazed windows, a taxi and a paddy power.

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    Jan 4th 2016, 12:29 PM

    I thought it was quite dissappointing. And the use of f##king by a middle class woman in 1915 didn’t ring true.

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    Jan 4th 2016, 10:22 AM

    Really enjoyed it with the only problem being the length of the add breaks. Shaping up to bring an excellent production..

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    Jan 4th 2016, 8:35 AM

    Yis are all mad !

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    Jan 4th 2016, 10:47 AM

    I thought it was better than alright. Elizabeth cocking the gun. Does it take that many steps in cocking an old rifle? Am I using the term right?

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    Jan 4th 2016, 11:19 AM

    Consumerist Ireland 2016 has absolutely nothing in common with the spirit of 1916 – nothing more than the new establishment cynically exploiting a historical event for its own purposes.

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    Jan 4th 2016, 4:52 PM

    RTE really need to take a look at there advertising in 1 ad break there was 10 ads this is way over the top and not fair to us licence payers I know these shows have to be paid for but they could spread them out more or have less ads it’s gotten ridiculous, where a show itself is only say 45mins u have nearly 25 mins of ad break it’s no wonder people are switched

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