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Open thread: What are your goals for 2016?

We took to the streets of Dublin city to find out if people have good intentions for 2016 – and if they’ve been sticking to them so far.

JANUARY IS BEHIND us, which means it’s time to take stock on how 2016 has gone so far.

How well did you stick to your New Year’s resolutions? Have they changed over the course of the month? Now that February is here, how are you set for the year?

As the rest of 2016 beckons, and the month of goal-setting and resolutions is soon to be behind us, we took to the streets of Dublin city centre to ask people what they’re looking forward to this year.

Between holidays, work and just calling the mammy more, Dubliners were all about trying to stick to their goals. Let’s take a look…

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So, finally, it’s over to you… What are your goals for 2016?

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:17 PM

    So sad, fair play to Catherine Corless, deserves ” People of the year award”

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:21 PM

    @Catherine Mc: I second that.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:10 PM

    The Irish state has always been ruthless in crushing the weak as it is in protecting the powerful. And FF and FG continue this tradition into the 21st century.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:14 PM

    Fair play to her. Absolutely great work.

    I would like to call for a fact check on children’s homes in other countries for the same time period in similar economic situations. Religious or non religious.

    Was it truly pure neglect that they died? Or was the fact that these homes were so overcrowded that the spread of disease was rapid?

    I think the numbers could be similar abroad.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:33 PM

    Rosie, having read your comment, first of all I think to be fair, mortality was high for infants at that time, but obviously in a home disease would spread very quickly, there may have malnutrition also as a factor, I read the article again and the one thing that doesn’t make sense is, Catherine Corless was able to get death certificates for almost eight hundred babies, my point being, that in itself proves the authorities knew precisely what was going on, no funerals, no services for the dead, did the authorities not care what happened to the dead children ? Outside of the human misery and suffering are we not obligated to bury the dead, the mind is beginning to boggle here.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:43 PM

    @Wally Houlihan: i second that but add the LEGAL MOB..GOVERNMENT /CHURCH ..all corrupt beyond truth honesty openess and transparancy

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:51 PM

    The fact that the bodies were hidden screams wrong doing of the highest order. These remains are babies. What kind of a sick person took the decision to hide the bodies in a sewer.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:54 PM

    It’s unbelievable, issue a death cert and then nothing !

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 8:13 PM

    They registered their deaths. . Why do that and then hide their remains ?

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 8:25 PM

    @Suzie Sunshine: In 1926 Ireland was a very different place. And science was less developed. It is a sad part of our history and it is good that is exposed. Could it be the only one? I doubt it

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 8:25 PM

    I don’t think they hid the bodies as such, they just didn’t bother burying them.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 8:27 PM

    Catherine you make some good points, society at large must share the blame. also don’t forget how brainwashed and brow beaten people were, but if it was my daughter who was pregnant I like to think I would have stood by her, but who knows? On the point of the poor kids being malnourished, there is absolutely no excuse for that, the nuns were well paid by the state for each child in their so called ‘care’.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 8:29 PM

    John you could be right. So worthless were these babies they were just dumped like garbage.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 9:08 PM

    Guys, ‘Rosie Murray’ works for the Pro-Life campaign in Dublin 2. The Twitter account is usually brought out at the most stressful times for the Catholic Church in terms of bad publicity. ‘She’ has no Twitter followers of note apart from one Leo Sherlock, draw your own conclusions.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 9:13 PM

    Jimmy Joe, you are right about the money, but I would imagine it was banked into the order’s bank account, how else would they have accumulated such wealth right across all religious orders. It is one of those news items you wish you had never seen. I thought after seeing the ” Magdalene Laundries” we would never again hear of such attrocities again, now I think it’s simply the tip of the iceberg. It goes without saying most parents stand by their children regardless of what they have done, child birth never was and never should be frowned upon.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 9:15 PM

    Cheers for that.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 9:18 PM

    @Rosie Murray: even if you are right about the overcrowding and spread of disease, which I personally think is rubbish as these nuns were given money by both the state and the families to care for these babies and lets not forget the money they made from trafficking the survivor’s of their ‘care”, to throw their lifeless little bodies into sewerage tanks beggars belief. .

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 9:52 PM

    Rosie the infant nd young chikd mortality rate in these homes was exceptionally high compared to the general population, so much so that it was remarked upon and raised in the Dail in the 1920s I think it was. in tuam rates were higher than the hational average.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 10:04 PM

    @Open Borders you are hilarious. I actually laughed out loud! I only use my twitter account for commenting on the journal… as for one follower… I’m probably just not popular :) I don’t actually work for Pro Life in Dublin 2. I don’t even know where dublin 2 is! Will you follow me on twitter?

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 10:05 PM

    @Jimmyjoe Wallace: The death rate at Tuam was around 36% and was 17% in other mother and baby homes. That speaks volumes by itself.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 10:09 PM

    And I’ve 79 followers! lol I’m feeling better already!

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 10:24 PM

    @openborders it’s actually sad that you doubt my existence because I have strings views on a particular subject irrelevant to this article. But seeing as you brought it up… and just to annoy you…

    I exist because I wasn’t aborted lol

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 10:27 PM

    @Rosie Murray: delighted for you rosie, hopefully that’s how many followers the Catholic Church will have once all of the details surrounding these babies deaths and disposal (there is no possible way it could even be categorised as a burial) come out. Just a few apologists and deflectors like yourself.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 10:32 PM

    @Rosie Murray: maybe you could spare people the lols on an article about the disposal of 800 dead infants….

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 10:40 PM

    Back then, children who were not baptised could not be buried in consecrated grounds. It’s just how it was. But we can’t judge yesterday by today’s standards.

    But I am in total agreement that the way in which these children were buried (I’m assuming even the older ones were probably baptised). They didn’t have even a nice garden, coffins or individual graves. A disused septic tank is not a final resting place for anyone. It’s really really awful and sad.

    I never said anything to the contrary.

    However I do believe that the care of the children prior to their deaths is a separate issue. I do believe that overcrowding in these homes played a key role in the spread of disease. In the picture above you can see how 4 children died of measles within two weeks. Yes the government/church funded this but do we know how much?

    The media trying to speculate that these deaths were actually murder or that they were covered up is a serious accusation against the women there who helped to look after those children.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 10:42 PM

    And it can be very hypocritical of some people on this thread to be so upset by children’s remains in a septic tank but not aborted babies in a bin.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 10:51 PM

    @Rosie Murray: no… What is hypocritical is someone like your good self trying to deflect and act the apologist for the church with regards to actual born children whilst calling yourself pro life. You my dear are pro foetus and pro church… Even to the point that you will try to whitewash the ridiculously high mortality rate in these homes that were supposed to care for the children. No we don’t know how much they were paid by the government, funny that? Or how much they were paid for trafficking children.. Maybe you could throw out a lol at that too.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 10:52 PM

    Rosie Murray, Please do not insult the memories of innocent dead babies and their families with such a vile uncalled for comparison.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 10:56 PM

    @Rosie Murray: oh and rosie you really don’t get more late term abortion than post birth when you neglect a child until it starves or you don’t treat its illnesses, Oh and lets not forget medical experiments… I’d say that’s pretty late term abortions right there rosie!

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:08 PM

    It would take a huge leap of faith to believe that it only happened in Tuam. It’s a horrible thought but… maybe this was their modus operandi and we should be checking all the children’s homes in every county and particularly the cess pits.

    I can’t believe I wrote that. Terribly sad.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:11 PM

    I agree. She is amazing. Such a sad and horrific story. We owe it to those kids to at least investigate an document this. I’m originally from g’way and if i misbehaved my mom used to threaten me with being sent to Letterfrack! That was way back i the 80′s but we all knew u don’t want to go to Letterfrack!

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:18 PM

    magdalene laundries eyre square, this in tuam, letterfrack, another home (forget the name-but it had bars on the windows and my mom told me never look in) in lower Salthill. scary stuff in galway. i also remember asking about the magdalene laundries as a kid (i thought it looked odd) but wad told dont ask.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:19 PM

    tony: are u off ur head altogether?

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:20 PM

    I’m beginning to believe this as well, so sad.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:22 PM

    Gregory, we do owe these innocent babies recognition.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:24 PM

    Gregory, that is very frightening for you now, as all this is only becoming public, innocence of a child is so lovely.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:25 PM

    yes. at least a memorial, at the very least. and a proper historic account…UCG where are u?

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:28 PM

    @gregory: Tony is being sarcastic. He’s just saying what was thought of these women and their babies at the time. . A friend of mine told me that if one of the women died in childbirth, her body was not placed in the church for the funeral mass as she was a sinner. Even in death they punished them.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:29 PM

    @Dell: Couldn’t agree more. Well said

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:33 PM

    @Rosie Murray: A baby or a child has a legal standing. Whatever you believe, an embryo does not qualify- either legally or under any Church law – as a person. Your argument has no place here.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:33 PM

    Agree maybe a day of remembrance to remember all of these innocent babies, non denominational of course.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:34 PM

    @john: In a septic tank?

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:35 PM

    Christ Dell, that’s so depressing.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:51 PM

    Dell
    Where has Rosie apologised for the church? She has clearly stated what happened was wrong. No questions.
    However, you want to close off any discussion about anything as an attempt to apologise and deflect.

    Rosie makes a very valid point.
    Everybody is absolutely disgusted by what happened to the remains of these babies, no question.
    However, many people, yourself included, would have no issue with terminating that very same life while it was in the womb.
    That’s the ultimate hypocrisy.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:58 PM

    Catherine Mc

    Rosie is not insulting the memory of the innocent babies by this comparison.
    Why shouldn’t we have this conversation?

    Why shouldn’t we highlight the hypocrisy of the church, the politicians of the time who allowed it AND the hypocrisy of Minister Zappone who
    I don’t doubt her sincerity in being upset by this case, nevertheless, is most hypothetical in her unwavering support for abortion, whilst holding the position of Minister for Children.

    Nobody is beyond criticism and nobody is sacred from highlighting their hypocrisy.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:59 PM

    What is a ‘church law’?

    Can you explain yourself.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 12:06 AM

    @Tom Burke: I said it to rosie and I’ll say it to you…… You don’t get more late term abortion than post birth up to 3 years.. The figures have shown how much higher the death rate in this home was than even the other homes at the time, something both you and rosie like to fluff over. You and the rest of your cult are hypocritical apologists for an organisation that to this day does things like give known pedophiles a lifetime of prayer as punishment for child rape. Don’t you ever dare try to preach to anyone about morals again. Anyone that continues to follow this lot have no right whatsoever to preach about anything. A bunch of you earlier trying to claim that it wasn’t a cesspit.. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. How much more does your church have to do before you realise they are a horrible disgusting organisation? You know what, don’t even bother answering that.. When raping children and protecting the rapists didn’t do it, you are beyond help.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 12:12 AM

    Tom Burke, I find it very disrespectful as this article was about an ordinary woman who uncovered the horrors of what happened in Tuam. I see absolutely no reason why abortion was brought into the discussion, it’s a completely different subject to the above. There are numerous occasions on the Journal when abortion is robustly and openly discussed. It’s not the time to pass comment on Minister Zappone this news item only broke this morning, I await her intentions in due course.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 12:13 AM

    @Tony Daly: Church doctrine is to blame too. Sin was and is considered to be the worst evil. That was why unmarried mothers who were accused of sin were treated so badly. Even today we are told that God refuses a relationship with a baby until it is baptised. Such evil bigoted nonsense and we wonder why unbaptised babies were buried with total disrespect and even flung into septic tanks?

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    Mar 4th 2017, 12:25 AM

    Sorry Catherine but why is abortion off limits? Why shouldn’t I highlight the hypocrisy of the Minister for Children?

    She stood in front of a batch of microphones at a repeal march and said we need to repeal the 8th and go much further in introducing abortion.

    Sorry but I don’t but hypocrisy.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 12:25 AM

    Don’t buy hypocrisy

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    Mar 4th 2017, 12:28 AM

    Tom Burke, either do I and I don’t turn one discussion into another to suit my own agenda.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 12:31 AM

    I would doubt that the bounty which your God requested was to bury 800 babies in a sewer.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 12:58 AM

    @Rosie Murray:

    There are approximately 796 babies buried in the grave. Perhaps we could grieve them without using their memory for our own purposes.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 2:33 AM

    @Catherine Mc:

    Absolutely!

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    Mar 4th 2017, 6:56 AM

    @Dell: Well said, superb , 5 stars for you *thumbs

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    Mar 4th 2017, 9:04 AM

    @lavbeer Sorry to pick hairs but from what I have read the majority of the remains date from the 1950′s. This is a very different time to the 1920′s (and now). Still I guess the issue is the judgemental and sanctimonious attitude of nuns which clearly had not moved with the times and appears to have been worse in the 1950′s. One thing I guarantee is that nobody will be held to account. The cover up has worked in that regard. PS I think you are right this will not be the last attrocity from the past.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 9:30 AM

    @Tom Burke Which is worse. A medical procedure in a hospital before birth or tossing a dead child into a septic tank at the age of 3yrs while treating their “sinful” mother’s as slaves using guilt for chains? Didn’t Jesus preach a message of love and compassion, even for thy enemies? Does being a single mother automatically make one worse than an enemy? (An enemy of the church? Or just someone to treat as morally inferior, unlike the absent father’s….). But this is getting way off the point.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 11:54 AM

    Yes Rosie. And your sickeningly apologetic comments for the lack of basic humanity displayed by these brides of Christ makes us all so glad that you weren’t. There are so many other compelling justifications for abortion, we thankfully won’t have to fall back on your existence as one.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 12:41 PM

    What did I apologise for? A direct quote please.

    I already said the way these poor children were buried was awful.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 2:51 PM

    @Rosie Murray: Well said Rosie, Open Borders (whoever they are) hide behind a Non De Plume, obviously not wanting to be identified with the garbage they sprout. No one should give any time or attention to anyone who refuses to be identified.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 6:02 PM

    It was open borders who brought up abortion in the beginning.

    I was only calling for a fact check on other mother and baby homes outside of Ireland in similar economic conditions at the time. I’m just wondering if the overcrowded conditions and the spread of disease led to the high rate of deaths suggested by the above picture.

    St Mary’s hospital in the Phoenix park was a former boarding school for children whose fathers were officers and away serving with the British army. There’s a graveyard there with lots and lots of small young children, much nicer of course! They have a dedicated graveyard and individual graves and headstones dating from early 1900s to mid 90s. Should there be an enquiry here too or was it just disease spread amongst crowded children more easily back then? Was there a cure for measles then?

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    Mar 4th 2017, 6:42 PM

    @Rosie Murray: I am nearly too angry to say what I would like to succintly. Defending these figures because of overcrowding in these homes??? Why should these homes have even EXISTED never mind been OVERCROWDED??? The Catholic Church brought such SHAME on these women that they were bullied and forced into sending their children to these despicable homes. As someone whose family has been directly affected by a situation like this I ABHOR and DESPISE the Catholic Church for their treatment of women. How they can now vote to keep the 8th amendment while they showed absolutely no regard for LIVING children or their mothers is the height of hypocrisy. How you, as a woman, can deny women choice of their own bodies is absolutely mind-blowing. But that’s a completely different argument. RIP to these little children and I hope the mothers that mourned these children all their lives somehow managed to live a happy life.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 7:30 PM

    @Rosie Murray: funny you should mention measles.. Didn’t the nuns in some if these homes let the children be used as human lab rats for money? Why are you ignoring that the mortality rate in this one home was much higher than the others rosie?

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    Mar 5th 2017, 12:12 AM

    @Rosie Murray:The home i went to visit was so clean you could eat your food of see your face in the shine on the floor and it was the young pregnant girls ready to drop that i seen on there hands and knees cleaning i think more hunger and god only knows what else happened there

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    Mar 5th 2017, 2:36 AM

    @Paul Ahern:

    Contained within the link below is a list of the names of the 796 babies/children who are recorded as having died at the TUAM ‘Home’. Note the deaths date from 1925:

    http://www.thejournal.ie/list-names-tuam-babies-children-3270019-Mar2017/?utm_source=facebook_short

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    Mar 5th 2017, 6:00 PM

    @Wally Houlihan: and many God-fearing Irish people who knew or suspected what was happening to these infants, kept their mouths shut. Just like in Hitler’s Germany.
    We Irish have a lot to answer for.

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    Mar 7th 2017, 8:59 AM

    @Rosie Murray: It’s ironic that those of you who are vociferous in your view s in relation to the protection of the ‘unborn child’ did so little to protect the rights children who had been born.

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    Mar 10th 2017, 7:18 PM

    @Rosie Murray: Oh its fine, your brother, sister or own child died.. oh well sorry loads of other babies were sick too.. your a disgrace of a human.. if you even count as that

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    Mar 10th 2017, 10:59 PM

    @Shane Moroney. Did you just watch the interview on the late late?? You can’t accuse people in the past of murder with no evidence! The whole issue here is the disgusting burial of these poor children.

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    Apr 10th 2017, 9:44 AM

    @Catherine Mc: exactly, without her this would be still be known only to the Minister for Sweeping Awkward Things Under The Carpet!
    Why has this site not been designated a POTENTIAL crime scene????????? In any other European country it would have been.
    I wonder can our commissioner stop trying to cover her backside for a minute and explain why this has not happened yet???????

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    Apr 10th 2017, 9:48 AM

    @Jimmyjoe Wallace: how many more Tuams are there all over the country? Can the child trafficking and deliberate changing of childrens names by the Catholic Church be investigated?

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:19 PM

    The fact that a private citizen, rather than the state, had to do the investigating in relation to this is the ultimate insult added to the injury these children and babies suffered.

    Catherine Corless is a hero.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:20 PM

    @The Risen: well said and nobly expressed.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:47 PM

    The reality is that the state and the orders which ran these outfits have plenty of records hidden. The truth is too horrible to reveal so it is kept carefully hidden.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 8:23 PM

    The Risen .. your comment says it all ..

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:23 PM

    indeed. where was UCG my Alma Mater. not good enough folks.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:43 PM

    @gregory: @gregory: yeah I think it was like getting one last horrible dig in at these poor women. They bolstered their piety by demonising women who fell pregnant, often through rape and abuse which actually makes it all the worse. I can only imagine how helpless and hopeless they felt.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:44 PM

    @gregory: thus comment was in response to how depressing it was for those women who were jailed there

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:17 PM

    Fair play to Catherine Corless

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:45 PM

    @Cathal: what moral courage she showed.

    I remember the vicious attacks on her, including on The Journal when she originally broke this scandal.

    Now the truth cannot be denied.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:36 PM

    These nuns were sick sadistic people and to think they were held in high esteem back then.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 8:44 PM

    Who on earth red thumbed this? I despair for humanity

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 8:45 PM

    Sisters of little mercy perhaps?

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    Apr 10th 2017, 9:50 AM

    @Alan b..: Opus Dei very quiet….

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:20 PM

    So many denials. So many attacks on the credibility and reputation of the fearless Catherine Corless.

    Catherine Corless deserves our thanks and respect.

    Now the reasons need to be identified.

    We need a day of National Respect and Atonement.

    Illegitimate children did not deserve burial.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:48 PM

    And still you use the term illegitimate, maybe Ireland has not moved on as much as we like to think it has

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 9:51 PM

    @Eimear Farrell: I use their term. I was “illegitimate” and to be there is no opprobrium when I appropriate that derogatory insult.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 10:07 PM

    @Tony Daly: I prefer the more earthy term. It was used to describe me so now I own it.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:19 PM

    Vindication for an honest woman. I wonder will we find a Tusla file has been opened on her too?

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:21 PM

    @Daisy Daisy: Catherine Corless has declined to reveal the horrendous treatment she suffered in her grave pursuit of the truth.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:22 PM

    brave and grave pursuit of the truth.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:37 PM

    I’m beyond despair. In the past few weeks we’ve had state bodies brand Maurice McCabe a paedophile, state bodies refusing to remove a child with intellectual disability from a foster family they knew was raping her and Tuam has been confirmed. State bodies behind the illegal imprisonment, torture, murder and discarding of bodies of women and children

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:43 PM

    @Anne Marie Devlin: the fact that the younger generations such as yours are outraged points to a future in which such conduct will not be tolerated. It was my generation who are responsible. We did not challenge.

    We accepted our Catholic rulers. We even voted for the Eight Amendment.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:54 PM

    Thank you Tony for recognizing a 50 year-old as the younger generation! Unfortunately the message has not got out. What I hope to highlight is how this attitude is still persisting within state bodies. Garda commissioner, politicians, hse and now tusla acting with impunity. Everyone knows what’s happening now and just as people had a good idea what was happening in such homes up until the 90s, no one has or will be held accountable. Plus ca change

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:57 PM

    @Anne Marie Devlin: Not “State Bodies” Anne Marie – that’s de-personalising the whole thing. These acts were carried out by human beings – flesh and blood Irish people – fathers and mothers – grannnies and granddads. And many others knew that it was going on. Most were practicing Catholics and many were (or still are) ‘pillars of the community’. They are walking around today many drawing down generous state pensions without any stigma or shame.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:59 PM

    @Anne Marie Devlin: it is pervasive and endemic in officialdom and the authorities to conceal the truth.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:05 PM

    @Anne Marie Devlin: any by the way, you are the younger generation, at least compared to me.

    You were not old enough to vote for the Eight Amendment.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 8:39 PM

    Tony I feel your pain. But don’t blame your generation totally. It takes a little push to get things going and my how they have got going. Things were done that are unbelievable but all it takes is one to question. That takes awhile to filter through. In the meantime shades of a different colour strike again. In the case of Maurice McCabe and his family. Isn’t it great that questions being asked back to your generation have stopped a terrible miscarriage happening in this

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:33 PM

    Anne, you touched on something there…and i believe this to be a weakness in Irish people: we do not talk straight. I lived in NL a long time and boy do they talk straight, and you know what? It is better for society. We need to grow a pair, respect other people’s opinions, be more tolerant, but just tell it like it is!

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    Mar 4th 2017, 12:20 AM

    Feel his pain?
    What pain is he feeling?

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    Apr 10th 2017, 9:52 AM

    @Anne Marie Devlin: ah sure its a grand little country, so transparent..

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:31 PM

    Well done Catherine for your perseverance. The poor little souls. A complete tragedy and state disgrace.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:32 PM

    The nuns were supposed to spread the word of God – compassion – but they broke that word.

    The fact that these nuns treated those young women and children horribly is bad enough. The parents of the young women who were incarcerated in these institutions are even worse – those parents cared more about what some bigoted neighbours or unsympathetic priests said about their status in the community than their own daughters.

    The Catholic Church ruled the country because ordinary people let it do so. It’s not like the parents of those young women were under threat of being taken to the edge of a trench in the countryside and shot in the back of the neck.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:34 PM

    @Ciarán Masterson: weasel words.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:42 PM

    Not so much the ordinary people to blame for this but the so called ‘leaders’ in the community, the political classes, the clergy, the public servants, all who knew the magnitude of it.
    Inaction is still their chosen way and it’s well past time things changed in this Sham Republic.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:46 PM

    @Gerry Ryan: that is an accurate assessment.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:49 PM

    @Gerry Ryan:

    Agreed.

    It has always been the case that most parents on this island love their children. Honestly, I don’t think those parents who sent their daughters to those institutions cared much about them in the first place.

    As I paraphrase the words of Edmund Burke, all it take for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:03 PM

    It may be distasteful to you Tony but a lot of what Ciaran has said is quite true. My mother was 5 months pregnant with my brother in 1956 when she married our dad, if she had not she would have been sent by her aunt (who raised her and her brother from a very young age) to one of these homes as the shame and the fear of being ostracized by the local community would have been too much. Both the families and the church are complicit both should be shamed. My mum never told us she was pregnant getting married we only discovered this when she died 2 years ago aged 84.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:07 PM

    @molly coddled: it was the threat of social ostracism by the Roman Catholic Church, the unrelenting oppression of the Roman Catholic Church and the bully boy tactics if the Roman Catholic Church that liesxat the root of this. The fact that people were nit threatened with summary execution does not relief the Roman Catholic Church of responsibility.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:39 PM

    The RC church laid the groundwork, an insidious institution, a cult that dominated and grew stronger and stronger and the most shameful thing is they were answerable to no-one.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:53 PM

    ciaran, you are right. in the early 80s my parents “separated” and we as children were regarded as pariahs by our righteous neighbours – it was hard, you could see and smell the condemnation.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 12:17 AM

    @Ciarán Masterson: Don’t underestimate the effect when educated people like priests seem to believe that certain sins guarantee everlasting torment in Hell if you fail to repent. Jesus did a very irresponsible thing by preaching Hell and the doctrine is at the root of why Islam is often so dangerous. The doctrine is just vindictive for you cannot tell anybody they might be so bad that they would go to hell forever. Innocent until proven guilty.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:26 PM

    I’d like to know how many were just left to die by the Church rather than waste medical care on an illegitimate child. Murdered in other words..

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:51 PM

    .. of course one has also to analyse the type of society which allowed young mothers to suffer with their babies in this manner, these young mothers also had a network of family and relatives who chose to abandon them. It is not just the institution. This was a collective societal failure.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:10 PM

    Deflecting from the real villains again, the church. The church ruled this country at the time, they held the power and used it to embed these backward societal attitudes. What’s more most ordinary people didn’t know just how evil the church was behind closed doors and what it did to the most vulnerable in society. Your very obviously an apologist for these murderers, you’re just trying to subtly divert the blame elsewhere.

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    Mute gamescentrel
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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:26 PM

    all the old mother and baby homes and these other convents should be dug up and excavated

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:33 PM

    @gamescentrel: it’s unlikely to be unique.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:56 PM
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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:41 PM

    Has Terry Prone any comment to make?

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:42 PM

    Just heard a late Garda friend of the family had a “clergyless” funeral and banned all priests from taking part…. Why?… Because he investigated a priest for sexual abuse and the Bishop tried to have him fired.

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    Apr 10th 2017, 9:56 AM

    @john: name that Bishop!

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:36 PM

    Thank you Catherine… Illegitimate children not good enough to be buried in a Catholic grounds… Disgusted at the Catholic church

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:02 PM

    Irish solution to abortion.

    For pregnant woman to go to full term if she can’t travel. Force pregnant woman to have baby. Place pregnant woman and baby in institutional care. Neglect baby in relation to nutrition and medical care. Separate baby from mother.

    Continue to neglect baby. Allot it to die. Dispose of remains in sewerage chamber.

    The wages of sin and all that.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:28 PM

    Also sell the babies that survive to the highest American bidder. Don’t forget the church had a lucrative child trafficking operation going on as well.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:01 PM

    What a country.
    What a history.
    Still the same lack of accountability even to this day.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:19 PM

    It’s fair to say that it would be hard to find many true Christians in the Catholic establishment in Ireland, cover ups, riddled with pedophiles and now this, no wonder people are turning away from the church.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 9:40 PM

    Makes my blood boil when Catherine tried to get access to the records from Galway county council, she was refused because they told her she hadn’t a university degree. They the G.C.C have a lot to answer regarding discrimination and should gave Catherine a public apology and award her with the freedom of Galway.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 9:59 PM

    @C_O’S: perhaps it was the absence of a university degree which ensured that she was not mentally conditioned to conformity and compliance.

    I endorse your comment.

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    Apr 10th 2017, 9:58 AM

    @C_O’S: wonder how many RC sympathisers there are in G.C.C ?

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:06 PM

    Fair play to that woman!

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:28 PM

    This country owe’s a national day of mourning for those unfortunate soul’s who were mistreated in God knows what circumstances. Well done to Catherine yes she felt compelled to do something because her inner strength was coming from beyond the grave. What a sad, sick religious system this wee country was built on.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:48 PM

    If this doesn’t end the church in this country what will. Its absolutely sickening what was done to the citizens of this country in the name of the church.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:29 PM

    Could you imagine on a wet dark night in the 50s a nun would grab a dead baby and causally open up a lit into a septic tank and throw him/her inside. Unbelievable

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 10:13 PM

    @David Hynes: I doubt the nuns bothered to do that. They probably gave the bodies to a handyman to keep their hands clean.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:29 PM

    Very unlikely we’ll see one single person charged over it, there’s plenty of them still alive. ” Do as I say, not as I do” Catholic hierarchy logic

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:02 PM

    All the people who have been saying that the highest members of the establishment regularly rape and murder children to this very day don’t seem so far fetched now. There has been an ongoing case in a civil court in Brussels over the last 5 years where over 10,000 witnesses have come forward to reveal that and it is happening in most if not every country. Ted Gunderson, formerly one of the top guys in the FBI, retired early and spent the rest of his life investigating this and his very extensive work can be found online if you can stomach the details.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:13 PM

    This is from Ted Gundersons Wikipedia page, a small insight into his work He also investigated a child molestation trial in Manhattan Beach, California. In a 1995 conference in Dallas, Gunderson warned about the supposed proliferation of secret Satanic groups, and the danger posed by the New World Order, an alleged shadow government that would be controlling the United States government.[9] He also claimed that a “slave auction” in which children were sold to men in turbans had been held in Las Vegas, that four thousand ritual human sacrifices are performed in New York City every year, and that the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City was carried out by the US government.[9]Gunderson believed that in the United States there is a secret widespread network of groups who kidnap children and infants, and subject them to Satanic ritual abuse and subsequent human sacrifice.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:16 PM

    Pizzagate too.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:07 PM

    “Human life is sacred”. Really?

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 10:14 PM

    @Tom Malone: Aye and it begins at conception unless that conception was a sin.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 10:36 PM

    Powerfully put.

    Better if “unless that conception was a sin” in quotes. Unless you want to risk your comment being taken literally.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 10:04 PM

    If they were treated like this in death what way were they treated in life?.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 9:10 PM

    Absolute hero. Well done. Hopefully some families will get some comfort at last from this.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 9:47 PM

    Nuns and priests have done horrible horrible things in this country. How the catholic church still has followers is beyond me its a joke , close the churches down and sell the land for milllions and spend the money on homelessness in the country. My generation were not fooled by these spoofers the sooner the church is done with the better

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 9:23 PM

    She wasn’t allowed look at the records for said period because she doesn’t have a university degree & the paper of record didn’t take her research seriously either we’ve really moved on. The right wing establishment needs people to look down on

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 9:57 PM

    @eileen boles: as the holder of a primary university degree and Masters, I can say that it confers no special quality or insight. I know people without degrees who are wiser, more insightful, more profound and who understand life far better than I do.

    We over estimate the benefits of a university education and we under estimate the benefit of life skills and experience.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 12:18 AM

    I agree Tony.
    I’m sure there are many who are wiser than you and more modest to boot.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 9:16 PM

    Charlie Flanagan,fg minister,promised to bring it up in the dail.he didn’t,any journalists ask him why.

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    Apr 10th 2017, 10:01 AM

    @@mdmak33: because he is part of the overall problem sweep it under the carpet and hope it goes away brigade.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 8:27 PM

    Why didn’t Zappone say they should be all forensically examined to establish cause of death.Well Journal why was my last post deleted ?

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    Apr 10th 2017, 10:02 AM

    @Joe Doyle: Zappone has some questions to answer on that,

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 7:53 PM

    This is sickening. Well done to Catherine Corless.She is indeed a “WOMAN OF SUBSTANCE”.I salute her and her committee. Catholic Ireland how are ya.???

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:41 PM

    I long for the day the church packs up and leaves this island.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:59 PM

    This article has a lot of in depth detail on the home and the horrid monsters that ran it. A very hard but important read.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3374922/The-house-tears-Secret-tapes-woman-spent-years-controversial-Irish-home-unmarried-mothers-reveals-unmarked-mass-grave-children.html

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 8:48 PM

    We have Dev and his subsequent cartel Mafia aka ff ala fg/all the same bs to thank for this. Him and his elk done this. He gave them and the religious mania cult total authority. They’re still in power. Wake up people!?!!!

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 8:50 PM

    @Sean O Grady: * ilk … Damn, I hate predictive text :-( .. .

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    Mute Patrick Pints
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    Mar 3rd 2017, 8:06 PM

    if the churches around Ireland are not empty after this then this country is well and truly fu**ed.
    The Catholic church has been exposed once and for all for being as bad as the nazis with these homes and magdalene laundries being nothing more than concentration camps.
    Religion has finally been exposed as nothing but a fraud.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 9:54 PM

    Consecrated Catholic ground… a septic tank for God’s sake. Concealment obviously the issue here.Let’s not pull any punches on this one.. The law has been broken even if the deaths were from natural causes. .. Zappone ???

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 11:54 PM

    Heartbreaking but I’m glad this has come out to show the world about the evilness in our church

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    Mute Jimmy Connell
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    Mar 3rd 2017, 10:55 PM

    A “home” is somewhere that we feel safe and loved. This was not a home, this was a prison for innocent children who felt no love or safety.
    Shame on all of those who contributed in any way towards this heinous situation.

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    Mute Colm Hennessy
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    Mar 4th 2017, 8:59 AM

    I can’t believe that this is an isolated case.

    Like the systemic rape of children by the church, this is only the beginning. I’m absolutely certain there will be other sites like this across the country.

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    Mute Bart Teeling
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    Mar 4th 2017, 12:28 AM

    Just shows that most of our so-called journalists and historians are just government and establishment shills.. Petrified of upsetting their pay masters.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 12:43 PM

    Take a bow Catherine Corless. You have fought long and hard for the truth to be uncovered and told. Ireland history will remember your efforts – especially in the face of political adversity – and we shall not forget. Those that have passed away, if they had a voice, would also thank you I suspect.

    Well done Catherine Corless.

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    Mar 3rd 2017, 6:53 PM

    The effects of Romano Judaism ?

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    Mar 4th 2017, 12:29 PM

    What a great story of determination, and a sad and disgraceful one at the same time. Hopefully it will bring peace and closure to families concerned. Theres a film in this story

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    Mute John Berry
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    Mar 12th 2017, 11:45 AM

    If the Catholic Church in Ireland was any other business it would have been closed down years ago.

    A hundred years of cruel treatment of innocents Children and Women………no sanctions against the men.Priests Nuns and State organisations and institutions conspiring to destroy thousands of human beings.

    Thank you Catherine Corless (and her associates) for shining a light , now aim the beam at all the other dark secrets.

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    Mar 4th 2017, 11:59 PM

    I like to say many years ago myself and my x husband went to Dunboyn to visit a friend that had been rape by her brothers friend it was in 1975.And because of the rape she was having a baby i remember walking in and given her name we were told to come back as she was not allowed to see us at that time and we did go back we walk down the long hall there were girls on there knees polishing the floors you could see your face in it most of the girls must have been just about to drop at any minute .We were not allowed to talk alone a nun stood there she past me a note to meet her later that week as we did she had the baby and it died of some milk disease that is all she was told her parents took her back after she had the baby they were very holy people she seen the baby only a couple of time she was not allowed to go to the funeral i can never give names as i promised i would never tell but i love to now how many more like this case

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    Mar 5th 2017, 10:45 PM

    great work!!!

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    Mar 11th 2017, 2:42 PM

    Not all of the 786 were babies, there was remains of children as old as 9! So for the ‘sins’ of their mothers this is how they were treated.. into a mass grave, brushed under a very big carpet in the hope they’d be kept hidden like some ‘dirty little secret’.. this country sickens me.. they’ll pay more attention to whether Kenny meets Trump then they will to what the hell happened in that home! Yes infant mortality would’ve been higher but for a child or infant to die every 2 weeks!!! The sickly babies wouldn’t have been ‘adoptable’ or money makers so obviously left to die.. the fact there was 9 year olds in that place meant they weren’t considered good commodities either so also would’ve been left to die.. Catherine Corless never gave up on their little souls and neither should we.. someone needs to be made accountable.. society? The Church? The Government? All 3? May they fly high with the Angels

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