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IT WAS THE last debate before the first vote and it showed.
Democratic candidates Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders went at it last night, clashing over big issues including gun control and healthcare ahead of a vote in Iowa in a fortnight’s time.
The pair were also joined on the NBC stage by Maryland governor Martin O’Malley.
Clinton, although still the clear frontrunner, is coming under some pressure from Sanders so the exchanges became heated throughout the live broadcast.
All three seemed very aware that their performances were an important opportunity to reshape the race ahead of Iowa, which votes two weeks from today.
Here were the three most-talked-about moments from the evening’s fighting:
Guns, guns, guns
Ahead of Sunday night’s debate, Clinton had labelled her rival Sanders as a supporter of the NRA.
She reiterated the point on stage.
“He has voted with the NRA, with the gun lobby, numerous times,” she said.
“He voted against the Brady Bill five times. He voted for what we call the ‘Charleston loophole’. He voted for immunity from gun makers and sellers, which the NRA said was the most important piece of gun legislation in 20 years. He voted to let guns go on the Amtrak, go into national parks. He voted against doing research to figure out how we can save lives.”
Sanders hit back at her, calling the statement disingenuous and claiming he has a D- voting record with the gun lobby.
Obamacare
Since being introduced, Obama’s healthcare reforms have led to 19 million US residents getting health insurance.
“To tear it up and start over again… I think is the wrong direction,” Clinton said last night in relation to Sanders’ just-released ‘Medicare for All’ proposal.
We finally have a path to universal healthcare. I don’t want to see the Republicans repeal it and I don’t want to see us start over again with a contentious debate.
His plan would raise taxes across the board and require a 6.2% health care payroll tax on businesses, while slapping taxpayers with a 2.2% “premium” based on income.
Sanders defended his programme, calling Clinton’s arguments against it ‘nonsense’.
“What a Medicare for all programme does is finally provide in this country healthcare for every man, woman and child, as a right.
“No one is tearing this up. “We’re not going to tear up the Affordable Care Act. I helped write it. But we are going to move on top of that to build a Medicare-for-all system.”
The elephant in the room
When you’re hoping to become the next president of the United States, it is probably fair enough that your husband – who was once the President of the United States – comes up once or twice.
Last night, Clinton used questions about Bill to her advantage – pointing out how she was his right-hand woman during his healthcare reform efforts, for one – while Sanders refused to be drawn into dirty debating.
When asked what her husband’s possible role in her administration would be, she said to much applause:
It will start at the kitchen table. We will see how it goes from there…
However, she did hint that it might go further than just a “kitchen table role”.
“I’m going to have the very best advisers that I can possibly have,” she added.
And when it comes to the economy and what was accomplished under my husband’s leadership in the ’90s, especially when it came to raising incomes for everybody and lifting people out of poverty more than any time in history, you bet I’m going to ask for his ideas, I’m going to ask for his advice, and I’m going to use him as a goodwill emissary to go around the country and find the best ideas we’ve got.
Meanwhile, Sanders was asked about previous remarks he made about Clinton’s husband. Commenting on the Monica Lewinsky affair, he had described the past transgression as “totally, totally, totally disgraceful and unacceptable”.
However, he would not be drawn on the issue again – something that pleased Clinton immensely.
Sanders said:
I was asked a question… You know, one of things Andrea, that question annoys me. I cannot walk down the street – Secretary Clinton knows this – without being told how much I have to attack Secretary Clinton. Want to get me on the front pages of the newspaper? I [have] to make some vicious attack. I have avoided doing that, trying to run an issue-oriented campaign.
He continued:
Yes, and I mean this serious… [turning to Clinton] You know that, we’ve been through this. Yes, his behaviour was deplorable. Have I ever once said a word about that issue? No I haven’t. I am going to debate Secretary Clinton and Governor O’Malley on the issue facing the American people, not Bill Clinton’s personal behaviour.
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Practical solution? How about Russia withdraws back where they came from?
The Russians are desperate for any tiny victory and are getting more and more reckless and dangerous to grasp it.
@Tom Quinn: it takes them 2 months to capture a village we are gonna see them do worse things as this drags on
@Seán Ó Briain: Sean, instead of throwing a tantrum and going with the usual and predictable fake account, Russian bot BS because things aren’t going your way, how about looking at some cold hard facts?
Satellite images showing the position of the Russian forces, video of the attack and its aftermath. Note that they are approx 50 metres from a whole hell of a lot of nuclear waste. If you are comfortable with Ukraine dropping explosives that flaming close to a shed load of nuclear waste that’s fine by me but I doubt the rest of the world would agree with you.
It is a cold, hard fact that Ukraine fired explosives within an incredibly close distance of spent nuclear fuel and no amount of spin can get away from that. There was another strike there last night with the local officials saying that one of the missiles struck within 10 metres of the spent fuel. Although seeing as how the official is part of the occupational government I’d take his report with some reservation. In this case, I would wait until satellite imagery is available to confirm it.
The thing is that the only party so far to actually confirm that they have attacked the area is the Ukrainians themselves. While a drone strike would do little damage to the reactor, a hit on the spent fuel would be a disaster of their own making.
@Digital Marketing Growth with Jarvis.ai-Free Trial: But it is unavoidably Russias fault. They shouldn’t bloody be there in the first place, and no amount of half baked essays on ‘duh facts’ can cover that.
@TheJournal Here’s a link to your own comments policy because you obviously need a refresher. (thejournal.ie/comments-policy)
Is journal. ie censorship a thing. 16 comments yet only 9 on display.
My comment from earlier GONE
@Gerry Dornan: it certainly is Gerry and apparently on the rise. Plenty of lively and interesting threads deleted for no apparent reason.
Heard recently that the Russian plan is to survive till winter. When its gets bitterly cold in Europe and then they stop all gas supplies to Europe. Will Europe see electricity blackouts and rationing of energy. Europe is very much dependent on Russian energy and what will happen without it. Will we see industry forced to stop. Factories shut down. Germany is heavily dependent on Russian gas for electricity.
It’s all about Geopolitics…. a big game playing out in front of millions. The ruble vs the petrodollar!!!
@Diarmuid O’Braonáin: Russian gas exports are down overall but because of the price being so high they are actually making more for less. Add to that the fact that China, India and other countries taking up the slack from the EU and Russia is doing OK for themselves so far.
In the meantime the EU and especially Germany are screwed, we are paying over the odds for fossil fuels and all because of a knee-jerk reaction by our EU overlords. You can be guaranteed that the people who thought out (or didn’t as the case may be) these sanctions won’t be freezing this winter. No planning for future energy security and kowtowing to the US means that the whole of the EU is in a bad way.
Putin’s forces will dig into the areas that it has captured and slowly advance from there. In the meantime, people in the EU will start suffering blackouts and will have to watch their TVs while wrapped up in blankets and sleeping bags. It’s all very fine now but comes the winter it will be interesting to see what public sentiment is.
Russia has plenty of energy supplies to keep its population warm and its economy going something that the EU won’t have. When sanctions really start to bite and its people in the EU feel the worst effects I expect that people mightn’t be so harsh to criticise people like Sabina Higgins calling for ceasefire and negotiations.
@Digital Marketing Growth with Jarvis.ai-Free Trial:
what should the EU have done after the invasion happened?
Don’t tell us what they ‘shouldn’t have done’ we’ve got that from your comments already.
Tell us what they ‘should have’ done after February 23rd.
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