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'No means no': Norway sends migrants on anti-rape courses

“If a girl kisses me, I figure she wants to sleep with me”.

“SHE KISSED HIM – it’s an invitation to have sex.” The asylum seeker’s answer hangs in the air. The instructor’s smile falters, and an explanation is required.

In Norway, migrants are being given courses to prevent violence against women, especially rape, and to teach them how to interpret customs in a country that may seem surprisingly liberal to them.

The courses were introduced several years ago, but have become particularly topical after complaints of mass sexual assault on New Year’s Eve in the German city of Cologne, by a crowd of mostly Arab and North African men.

This particular morning at the Ha reception centre in southwestern Norway, a dozen Syrian and Sudanese asylum seekers fidget in their seats in a small room as their group discussion starts.

The curtains are drawn and a space heater blasts out hot air to heat up the room, but the participants keep their jackets on.

“The idea behind this course is to talk about risk situations that can arise when it comes to rapes and sexual assaults,” the group’s leader Linda Hagen says,kicking off the class in Norwegian, with an interpreter translating to Arabic.

“We need your help so that we can together detect these situations”

What is the difference between love and sex? What do these pictures of women projected on a screen bring to mind, one with bare shoulders and the other veiled?

Can the use of violence be legitimate? How do you know if a woman is consenting to sex?

Cultural misunderstandings 

The participants brainstorm scenarios where cultural differences may cause misunderstandings.

Little by little, they warm up and begin to speak.

“If she wants come to my place, that means she’s consenting,” says one Syrian.

“But if she’s drunk, how can I be sure that she wants to sleep with me?” asks a Sudanese man.

“If she says no, I don’t do anything against her will,” insists a third.

Those attending all seem to agree the course is useful.

“For me, I have no problem because my city is an open city and my sister, my mum, they’re very similar to (the women) here,” a 42-year-old Syrian tells AFP, asking to use the pseudonym Mikael Homsen.

But I have friends, they come from a different culture, from a strict family. For them, any part a woman shows (is) a sign she wants to have sex.

The need for the course – which is organised by Hero, a private company that runs 40 percent of Norway’s reception centres – is exemplified when a video normally shown to secondary school students is screened.

In the clip, a party is in full swing. Two teens are making eyes at each other and they kiss. The boy pulls the girl, visibly tipsy, upstairs to a room and locks the door behind them.

He becomes increasingly physical with her, despite the signs of resistance she is displaying. “No means no,” concludes the video.

But the video meets with a range of reactions from the participants. One says:

He tricked her but the girl should also have been clear and said no and not gone upstairs with him.

“If a girl kisses me, I figure she wants to sleep with me,” says another.

Linda Hagen intervenes, explaining: “In Norway, it’s quite common to hug, to entwine, to dance very closely without it necessarily leading to a sexual encounter.”

“Everyone is in agreement that rape is bad,” she later tells AFP.

“But there are all these grey zones, these situations that are a little difficult to grasp… The problem can arise with any of us.”

‘Arena for dialogue’

Hero launched its course after a series of rapes committed by foreigners in the southwestern town of Stavanger between 2009 and 2011.

“We invite the residents, both women and men, to have a dialogue about cultural norms and to take responsibility if they see something,” says Hero’s director Tor Brekke.

“It’s not a magic formula, it’s just mostly about making an arena for dialogue.”

The Cologne incidents are on everybody’s mind: 766 police reports filed, including 497 for sexual assault, which police have blamed on Arab and North African men.

“In my opinion it’s not men who did that. They’re animals. They’re sick people,” says Sulaiman Adel, a 42-year-old Syrian.

“We want German authorities to say who exactly did this, and not just say they’re asylum seekers,” adds Shero Demir, a 35-year-old also from Syria.

“They have to be expelled immediately to the country they’re from. They can’t live here.”

- © AFP, 2016

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    Mute seeingeye
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 8:23 AM

    If they want to come to Europe and break the laws, but cannot be deported to where they came from, then they should enjoy the benefits of their refugee status in a prison. If it’s good enough for citizens who break the law, it’s good enough for them. They need to be made to think that their presence and freedom here is a privilege, not a right, and they need to respect that.

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    Mute Gus Sheridan
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 8:51 AM

    Unfortunately thanks to Mad Merkel who opened the floodgates this problem is going to get worse. Europe is going to be destabilised with the huge numbers of young men with such a different cultural outlook arriving which will cause no end of friction between them and the native inhabitants . Ireland will be no different, we cant even look after our own people. What is happening in Sweden, Germany, Norway and other countries will happen in Ireland too. You wont see the press here diecussing this coming problem. Wonder how many red thumbs I’ll get for stating the obvious ?

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    Mute VoiceOfVanguard
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:30 AM

    There was an item like this on the BBC this week, only in Finland.
    The Middle East immigrants were shocked at what they were supposed to accept about life in the West. There was a strong overall impression they will not conform in the long term.
    Particularly where they’re allowed to live in enclosed communities, with several thousand of their own.
    Then again, you can’t stop free movement in a country in the West and they build their own communities because guess what – people prefer segregation. That’s how nations are built.

    This is how the Finland session about rape and Western culture ended in the article.

    “The lesson at Raasepoori reception centre is drawing to a close and the asylum seekers have been given optional homework to help them read up on Finland’s sexual equality laws. As we leave the class, an Iraqi man in a colourful bomber jacket shakes my hand.

    “It’s great in Finland,” he says “But when I marry, my wife will be a housekeeper who will cook the food I like – and she certainly won’t go to discos.”

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    Mute Juan Venegas
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:47 AM

    No I’m sorry but if you break the law, specially raping and criminal activities then they should be deported. The blew their chance of asylum and in my book they deserve to be back even if their lives are not safe because they are just the same type of the ones pushing them out of their own country.

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    Mute seeingeye
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 10:06 AM

    I agree with what you’re saying Juan. Unfortunately you can only deport someone if you know what country they belong to. The governments that run these countries aren’t going to be cooperative either. Asylum seekers know this, so they throw their documents away or get fake documents. Some don’t even have documents to begin with. They’ll lie about where they’re from. Not only that, but if they were deported, what’s going to stop them from just sneaking back in with the deluge? They’ll try and fail and try again until they get what they want. That’s why they need to be on lock-down.

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    Mute Garwig
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 11:20 AM

    This is like trying to put a band aid onto an amputated leg wound.

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    Mute Juan Venegas
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 11:45 AM

    The cold truth seeingeye. You can just out them on a boat to nowhere and see who takes them and if no one does then my conscience is clean once he decided to rape. But a more down to earth solution is to put them in asylum centers abroad, safe zones in their countries or near by. Similar to what Australia is doing. The asylum seekers would be safe and they would be able to practice their culture, not having to be forced to integrate and our women would have the piece of mind they can walk in mini skirts alone on a Saturday night.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 8:20 AM

    Teaching a man how not to rape someone, says it all

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    Mute Tomasz Kuchnik
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 8:45 AM

    Imagine you’re back in Bronze Age – it will be required right?? And that’s exactly what you’re dealing with now – ancient civilisation.

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    Mute John Kelly
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:43 AM

    Tomasz why do i fear that running a silly course will not work? as their numbers increase they will rape and rob and eventually form an army, and fight the people who welcomed them in. the poles and hungarians and bulgarians have the right attitude, of course they had to fight islam in the past.bulgaians hate islam, with a deadly hate. they hate the turks, and who can blame them.

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    Mute Boyne Sharky
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 11:14 AM

    I’m inclined to agree with GI Joe, you can’t just send someone on a course and change what is probably 20 or 30 years of his culture, and bear in mind we know these ‘gentlemen’ don’t integrate and tend to group together among their peers. A short course won’t change them.
    Imagine if I were to travel there with a mindset that said it was perfectly ok to kill anyone who disrespected me in any way, to use the most extreme violence. Imagine if I had a mindset that didn’t tolerate such things as homosexuality, any public displays of affection, women showing too much (or any) of their body, I wouldn’t tolerate any disrespect towards my religion. I wouldn’t hesitate to use extreme violence, I would use guns, knives, bombs, whatever was available and would be prepared to give my life for what I believe. Imagine if I had been brought up in a culture that believed these things, this was my normal. Do you seriously think a course will cause me to discard my entire upbringing, my culture? I exist. Would you feel safe around me?

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    Mute L ORourke
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 11:29 AM

    Although it is a better approach than blaming the victim and teaching women to change their behaviours.

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    Mute Original Cynic
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 8:33 AM

    How employable are these men going to be?

    They will be required to be interviewed by, take instructions from and work alongside women.

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    Mute Tom Shay
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:16 AM

    I’d love to know what percentage of them can speak German. Sure many may learn it but it could take years. And surely that’s a basic requirement for even the most rudimentary jobs

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    Mute Larry L'Oiseau
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:50 AM

    Knowing their 6th century mentality, would you employ one ????

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    Mute Gerard Carey
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 7:51 AM

    Europe is up $hitscreek. This is only the start of a much bigger long term problem that will take generations to fix, that’s if it can ever be fixed.

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    Mute Cal Cryton
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 12:52 PM

    It can’t be fixed. If they are non-believers, that immediately makes Western women sub-human in the eyes of these young Muslim men. They will never, ever be able to treat them with equal respect.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 3:56 PM

    What do you mean non believers are not treated as equal…all women (believers or not) are treated as non equal by Muslim men.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 8:01 AM

    I find it hard to understand why we as an secular educated western society of Europe from our government leaders to the working classes are appalled by domestic violences and especially rape but yet are expected to accept and embrace through multiculturalism migrants who have no respect for women because they are though through ther neanderthal religion that they are not equal but a mans property… Wake up people we are going back in time not forward.

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    Mute Missyb211
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 8:54 AM

    Religion will change when the people do and the people will change when they are exposed to new ways of thinking.

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    Mute JimmyMc
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 8:58 AM

    Well until then let’s hope its people like you who want them among us that become their victims, not people who are not willing to accept it. It won’t happen that way though unfortunately.

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    Mute Larry L'Oiseau
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:46 AM

    @missy
    Lovely sentiments, but because muslims deliberately don’t integrate, they always remain on the fringe (and a separate part) of mainstream society in all the Western (developed) countries that they have moved to.

    I am just very glad I have no daughters.

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    Mute John Kelly
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 10:01 AM

    @Missy so where are you performing tonight? i take it you are a stand up comedian? i need a good laugh!

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 10:29 AM

    History shows that it’s just not that simple Missy. Some people change for the better, some for worse, many stay the same. People from the west are exposed to new ways of thinking in, say, Dubai or Saudi on a regular basis when they go to work there. The overwhelming majority, fortunately for us, don’t adopt the local worldview. And their worldview is, in the main, not even backed by the power of religious legitimization.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 12:09 PM

    How can you judge one religion (islam ) with other religions … talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water…!!!

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    Mute Johnneary
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 2:30 PM

    Que the Libtard Celebs and TDs with sad background music and pictures of starving women, children and oaps as millions of military aged male “refugees” (who have deserted these starving women, children and oaps) go on rapefests in our town and cities.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKu6Y7FtgF4
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3396107/Three-year-old-boy-raped-multiple-people-asylum-centre-Norway.html

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 8:03 AM

    It amazes me how emboldened some of the migrants are, you would think the threat of deportation (I suppose it unlikely as we cannot return them to any dangerous country). A muslim migrant attempts to pickpocket in Sweden, a Swedish women points his attempt out and right in a public place under video he cannot control his anger, no doubt fulled by a woman exerting control over him, so he attacks her and spits in her face. We also have the French PM saying Europe will not survive if we don’t start protecting our boarders.

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    Mute Tomasz Kuchnik
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:18 AM

    Video you’re describing is here

    https://youtu.be/mxmoU9Mg89U

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    Mute Fred Astare Astare
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 10:59 AM

    He kicked her in the “Stomach”, how can you change that way of thinking? its embedded in their Creed, its not going to stop. As the Syrian in the article said, they are animals. some animals cannot be tamed.
    I have a ten year old girl, I live near Dublin city centre, I have watched over the last year a massive influx of , Immigrants , asylum seekers, whatever, people in the area. I don’t let my daughter go to the shop anymore, plus other laws I have unfortunately had to lay down. Life on the street is changing and not for the good. Remember, the number of illegal Pakistanis and Indians that were hounded out of the U.K. due to the new British immigration laws over the last year have come to Dublin Via northern Ireland is phenomenal, don’t comment unless you have seen what’s really going on. Our future is already planned by our government, they have not told us what their plans are on immigration or asylum seekers. Its all very quiet, just as Angela Merkel wants it. These uneducated 20- 25 year olds will be here driving taxis shortly, and the rest. I was going to say read between the lines but you don’t have to, do you?

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 11:28 AM

    That skumbag should be strung up.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 1:19 PM

    http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article22136006.ab He’s a 21 year old Tunisian who is well known to Swedish police.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 8:03 AM

    The fact the these lessons have to be given in the first place says a lot for the way woman are treated in the migrants home country. I wouldn’t think if we were heading to live in an middle eastern country lessons in the basic value of the country would be provided by the state. You’d learn that lesson very lively in a hell hole of a prison.

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    Mute Missyb211
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:04 AM

    Do you seriously think you were born knowing the rights and wrongs of social interactions? Knowing the stealing, murder,rape etc, etc, were ‘wrong’ ie not acceptable in society? You are very naive! If you were raised in a different environment, “middle eastern country ” you would be the same. Of that I am sure!

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    Mute John Kelly
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:56 AM

    And a Missy rushes to defend them, ah yes indeed.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 10:21 AM

    Missyb211 seems to think the migrants were born yesterday!

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 10:27 AM

    Sound like a broken home excuse that a defensive solicitor might use while trying to get a lighter sentence for his client. It’s a poor excuse in court and it’s a poor excuse now.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 12:50 PM
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 8:23 AM

    Men in some Muslim counties have a certain view of women and it’ll take more than a course to change that view. We have to accept that there are men that hold views that are incomparable with them living lawfully in a western society.

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    Mute Mark Corrigan
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 8:26 AM

    This is old news. The open door policy in scandinavia has led to an upsurge in rape and crime that is almost unbelievable. A society which was the envy of the world is now on the brink of total anarchy. The true facts are being hidden by the very govts
    responsible for the barbaric rape crimes in swedan that leaves a woman with a one in four chance of being sexually assualted. Muslims from archaic countries who do not respect woman cannot be assimilated into western society in their thousands without a total breakdown of civilisation.

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    Mute Peter King
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 7:59 AM

    No means no. No matter what you think happened earlier if you’re told to stop now you stop. Only reason you won’t is that you think you can get away with it and blame the girl.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 8:02 AM

    What kind of neanderthals are they bringing into the country? Are there not enough rapists in Norway without importing more? My mind boggles…

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    Mute debco
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 8:03 AM

    Would they not just understand fu*k off ?

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:06 AM

    They’ll understand when they find out that Iris men fight

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 8:14 AM

    You can dress it up however you like. You let in such a mass amount of people from that part of the world and your streets are going to be significantly more rapey. That’s not at all saying they’re all guilty , just that you’re letting in so many that there’s enough sex zombies around now that the rapey situation won’t be reversed. You can talk about tolerance all you like ,there’s too many of them that have zero respect for the culture and traditions of their new host countries.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 8:11 AM

    I wonder how the Far left and Liberals are going to sort this one out…!!. And there is Millions and millions more coming to Europe. ..between getting shot and blowing up and Raped by our own home grown and new arrivals from the ISLAMIC WORLD…????

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    Mute Seamus Hanratty
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 10:16 AM

    Bobby, sure its it “refuges welcome” and isn’t anyone who opposes this “wacist” ??? Please excuse me whilst I go and bang my head against the wall!!

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 10:30 AM

    They’re going to continue to studiously ignore it by repeating ‘European men rape too’ until they’re blue in the face unfortunately.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:03 AM

    There’s an awful lot of sense being talked here, it’s a pity some of our European leaders aren’t of the same view. I fear for our future generations who’ll be left to deal with this major problem.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:26 AM

    Well I’m sure your mother, sister, or girlfriends minds will be put at ease knowing that Europe is being flooded with millions of people who have to go to SCHOOL CLASSES that teach them THAT RAPE IS WRONG!!!

    Can someone please put an end to this madness? This PC idiotic madness?? We are inviting millions of people into Europe who don’t even know that rape is wrong, and the left wing solution is…send them to a class!!!!

    Women are treated like second class citizens in Islam and many cant even show their faces when going out the front door.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 10:37 AM

    Yeah it’s so very reassuring /sarc.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:15 AM

    Besides them behaving like animals, where are the resources for housing, educating and providing health, legal, security and policing services for thousands more people, the majority of whom will never pay tax. The real problems from these people, breeding like flies together and united by their religion, will be passed on to our children. Like the bank debt

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:37 AM

    It’s easy to stop this. Don’t let them in in the first place.

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    Mute JimmyMc
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:44 AM

    Its time the politicians on the doorsteps were told that they and their families will be held personally responsible for the crimes of migrants.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:03 AM

    Why not to teach hens climbing trees, bears folding origami and wolves being vegans? Soros will definitely organise some funds :D

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:31 AM

    Nowegians need to be aducated on Islamic practices such as rape etc. It’s amazing how stupid people can be while at the same time feelig so superior.
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    –”according to the Quran (4:24), Muslims are allowed to have sex(RAPE) with female slaves[.]” In addition, “uncovered women are in many Muslim cultures seen as a kind of prostitute, and if a man is aroused by such a female, then – partly due to the corrupted logic of responsibility within Muslim psychology – the female is blamed for being raped (and will therefore often face execution)—.”

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 10:35 AM

    And that’s exactly what they’ll be taught in some mosques. Like the imam in Cologne who blamed women for wearing perfume and being half dressed. He and the mayor who said similar should get together.

    http://www.dw.com/en/cologne-imam-women-provoked-sex-attacks-by-wearing-perfume-and-being-half-naked/a-18997352

    And the Australian imam who said the same – unheadscarved women are ‘uncovered meat’. Nice.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/oct/26/australia.marktran

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:20 AM

    what Western mother would let her husband but her and there children on a un- seaworthy boat, she would tell her husband in no uncertain terms to go fu@k himself right,where in a different culture like in Syrian it seem women don’t have any say in any matter including her own life and the life of her children, no night classes of, no means no will change this personality, its a culture and a horrible culture,am I confident no rapes are sexual harassment will happen here in Ireland well no because it has already happened, one life has already been destroyed thanks to Faisal Ellahi, am I confident in that my granddaughter will have the freedom that my daughter enjoyed growing up with out the treat of been groped raped molested my someone who in the first place should not even be here in this country, no I’m not, if these people have no respect for there own women are children they will NEVER have no respect for are western values.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:40 AM

    Here’s an idea… Don’t let rapists who hate ur way of life in to our countries in the first place. We don’t need any more “diversity” to make our gutless politicians feel better about themselves

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:58 AM

    The mind boggles at how long it will take for these migrants to become employable? I mean if they need to be taught that rape is bad at an adult age then how long will it take for them to be socially mature enough that they can start attending interviews and working. The reality is that most will never work and be a burden on the taxpayer the rest of their lives. I do know that genuine highly educated REFUGEES will arrive and i welcome them without any problems but the vast majority looking towards Europe are economic migrants cherry picking the best countries for benefits and will be happy to live of the sweat of the workers …..please tell me the benefits to allowing economic migrants that are in no danger into Europe?

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 11:51 AM

    Just think of the thousands, probably millions, of European women who are going to have to suffer harassment, assault, rape, intimidation and indeed bodily mutilation from these young Muslim men from now until the end of time. Because i have news for all, these people are never going back to their home country.

    Thanks Angela.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 12:56 PM
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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:51 AM

    If our hospital A&E depts cannot cope now, with the usual winter flu, etc, or the HSE cannot afford expensive treatments for Cancer, CF, and other long term illnesses, then how are they gonna cope with the inevitable diseases these people will introduce into Ireland?

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 10:06 AM

    Not to mention houses, mental and dental health, which Irish people cannot get access to. The legal bill will be humongous, then security and policing. Education, even just to teach them women and gays are equal here. It’s mental

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 8:37 AM

    Good god !

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 10:47 AM

    The Norwegians are fools for letting these yokes into their country , at least we haven’t made such a mistake thankfully

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 11:57 AM

    Well thats matter of opinion ..!! numbers of( migrants /rufugees)coming through State are rising fast…. ( 600% increase in PAKISTANS FROM THE UK VIA NORTH OF IRELAND IN past 12 MONTHS ) …. ?????

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 12:55 PM

    Well said Bobby, they don’t believe you though, I see it everyday. I do be out after 12.00 at night sometimes. For some reason they move around with their baggage at this time of night. It baffles me why they choose this time to move around.
    Even if I hear a native Irish accent now, I go out of my way to say hello, far and few between at present. Living where I do its like being on a long haul trip, if you hear anybody talking with an Irish accent you cant wait to say hello, I.E. have something in common.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 3:24 PM

    I know that Bobby I was being a bit Aodhain O Riordain , you know head in sand / denial etc , the economic crisis we are in will eventually be coped with , allowing hordes of these backward feckers into the country is an entirely different matter , check out Malmo , Bradford eye etc , it will not be good

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 11:48 AM

    Isn’t culture/religion a great excuse for committing a crime sure islam says it OK to kill non believers

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 4:02 PM

    No.1 election issue.

    Protect our culture and way of life.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 2:02 PM

    They all claim that they are coming to Europe cos they can’t live in peace where they come from because of oppressive governments or nutters like isis. If that truely is the case surely they’d much prefer to be put and trained in basic military procedures and armed and sent back en mass to put the situation right in their home countries? Lmfao of course I’m joking, any who want to put things right and are willing to work to do it are doing it as we speak, this lot prefer to run away and have someone hand them a new life. Are these the people we want in Europe? Now just to quantify this post of course families are a different story but as we are told these guys are predominantly going single males.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 1:56 PM

    I could supply an anti rape course for a fraction of the cost. Just explain to them that if they touch anyone without that person permission that they will be handed over to isis no matter where they’ve come from. I bet there’s be no raping then.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 2:43 PM

    Unfortunately that wouldn’t work. IS would fully approve of raping non-Muslim women. And indeed muslim women if they’re married to them. They have essentially no right to say no within marriage under mainstream interpretations of sharia.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 8:45 AM

    The irony of all this, is that one of the main drivers in allowing immigration into Germany, Sweden, Norway etc. is a simple case that they need service workers to accommodate the modern day western middle class lifestyles i.e. not enough little Sven’s or Heidi’s to do the low level jobs. College and career is a right of passage for the historic wealthy natives be it man or woman, whom are also having less children. They need external people to fill the voids.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:05 AM

    @iohanx,
    They certainly don’t need these useless parasites, these people will never assimilate.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:06 AM

    Brainwashed crowds will never have an idea what you talking about. They would understand sories about Bill, would excite about Friday and cry about Mondays. This is the range of their brains :)

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:29 AM

    That is not the point being made

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 12:15 PM

    Really, they need the workers? What calibre of worker are they bringing in, so? Certainly not as high as that of the populations of their fellow EU countries, that are running historically high unemployment rates. If they wanted workers, that’s where they’d start. Not with a bunch who don’t know it more likely don’t care that the rape of a kaffir woman is wrong.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 12:38 PM

    It’s a pity had to be such an absolute pr!ck when Syrians started protesting in the streets four years ago. All the dick had to do was call an election

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 2:46 PM

    We might be kidding ourselves though about who exactly was doing the protesting. There were pro-democracy, fairly secular protestors sure. They were there in Egypt and Libya too. But as Gaddafi warned, the most organised groups were always the Islamists. And in Egypt it was indeed the Islamists who won the subsequent elections. Muslim brotherhood might be better than IS in the short term. But over the long term their aim is pretty much the same.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 7:10 PM

    People i most feel Sorry for in Egypt are the( coptic christians )who will suffer under what ever Islamic party rules the state , like all other non moslims through out Islamic world who are persecuted and that includes the far left and Liberals who do not exist in these society’s . They want to bring these people into the non moslims world…(FAR LEFT / LIBERALS ) you remine me of Turkeys voting for Christmas..!!!!!!!

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:45 PM

    I wonder how many hours of “retraining” it would take for a Western Liberal living and working in Saudi to accept that apostates deserve beheading, that adultresses should be stoned and that gays must be thrown from tall buildings? Whole thing is just a sop to the sensibilities of the naive!

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 9:50 PM

    This is the best anti rape course so far haha :D
    http://fortruss.blogspot.ie/2016/01/russians-teach-migrants-lesson-in.html
    Well done Ruskies :)

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 10:31 AM

    I’m not sure what’s worse. Sensationalist stories like this, or the fact that people automatically believe them.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 10:43 AM

    Are you sure you’re looking at the same article? How about another even more disturbing one from bbc news: Not exactly the home of sensationalist reporting:

    “Teaching migrants how to behave”

    “”So in Finland,” she says softly, “you can’t buy a wife. A woman will only be your wife if she wants to be – because here women are men’s equals.”

    “Her pupils, all recently arrived asylum seekers at this reception centre hidden away in the snowy depths of the Finnish forest, watch her carefully – and I watch them. Some of the young Iraqi men, who already speak good English and passable Finnish, nod sagely. Others, particularly the older men, stare at one another with raised eyebrows as Johanna’s words are translated into Arabic for them.”

    “As we leave the class, an Iraqi man in a colourful bomber jacket shakes my hand.
    “It’s great in Finland,” he says “But when I marry, my wife will be a housekeeper who will cook the food I like – and she certainly won’t go to discos.”

    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35353310

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 11:54 AM

    I went through Salzburg main train station a few days ago, never seen so many heavily armed police with dogs in a train station. Female only parking spots near the entrance. And I had to show my passport to board a train to Germany.
    Sensationalist reporting…… Grow up you muppet.

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    Jan 23rd 2016, 12:00 PM

    We close our eyes pretend its not happening ….( EVIL WILL PREVAIL ONLY WHEN GOOD PEOPLE DO NOTHING )…!!!

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    Jan 24th 2016, 9:17 AM

    I can’t believe what I’m reading .
    Kill Schengen and close all boarders .

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