Advertisement

We need your help now

Support from readers like you keeps The Journal open.

You are visiting us because we have something you value. Independent, unbiased news that tells the truth. Advertising revenue goes some way to support our mission, but this year it has not been enough.

If you've seen value in our reporting, please contribute what you can, so we can continue to produce accurate and meaningful journalism. For everyone who needs it.

'We've spent hours in the basement of Leinster House trying to find out what happened'

The final report from the banking inquiry is to be released today.

THE ANTICIPATION OF the release of the report of the Joint Oireachtas Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis has not matched the anticipation preceding the setting up of the committee.

The Irish people deserve answers as to why the banking system collapsed, with so many repercussions for the citizen. More than that, they wanted reassurance that such a crisis would not reoccur, and that systemic political and economic failures were being addressed.

This was the general understanding of the purpose of the Banking Inquiry. However, over the course of the committee’s proceedings, it has become clearer and clearer to members that the inquiry’s scope would be severely restricted and that the finished product would be far from satisfactory.

Making sure it never happens again

The majority of my time over the last 12 months was spent in the committee rooms in the basement of Leinster House trying to find out what happened to the Irish economy and how to prevent it from happening again.

Unfortunately, while the past was very clearly taken apart for analysis, the necessary questions were never addressed with respect to the future. Much of this had to do with certain logical fallacies, that are sometimes called “brain bugs”.

This is where people think they are being sensible, but in fact are very methodically walking into the wrong answers and decisions. This has unfortunately become part of how policy formation takes place in Irish politics.

Leinster House is not particularly open to the clash of ideas or to the critical analysis of different policies.

Policies, be they budgetary or legislative, are served up like room service by the Civil Service courtesy of their Minister. The Government expects nothing more than a brief perfunctory and cursory acknowledgement and that business will not be disrupted by too many hard questions. When discussions take place they often take the form of the depressing “Punch and Judy” show that infuriates citizens and does little for the dignity of parliament.

river

This is in part due to the iron grip of the whips and a tradition that rejects a politics of ideas for poll-booth pragmatics. This rather unfortunate situation was highlighted recently by the OECD, which found Ireland’s parliamentary oversight of budgeting to be the worst in the OECD 30.

It is little wonder that secret legislation that would eventually destroy the country’s economy could be drafted months before the guarantee.

The inquiry did not even recommend how to prevent a re-occurrence. A large part of this is party discipline.

Fundamental change is needed 

To make parliament truly accountable and engage in useful scrutiny of policies, fundamental changes to the whip system would be needed. The “room service” approach to policy would have to end. Such changes would be abhorrent to both the senior cabinet members and the senior ranks of the civil service.

The fear of facts is important to consider. Here, facts that would contradict presupposed conclusions are to be avoided at all costs. One of the major flaws in the final report of the banking inquiry is the lack of reliance on empirical data.

While the move in most jurisdictions has been towards “evidence-based policy” the unwillingness to face and deal with facts and information in Ireland is stark.

Civil servants and bankers also developed allergic reactions to maintaining and creating their own data in the form of minutes or aide memories of crucial meetings with ministers, senior officials or on the night of the guarantee. The final report lacks data.

The crisis itself was brought about by a lack of data and the inability to analyse and interrogate the data that existed at the time. In the original draft the importance of testimony was so paramount that errors made by witnesses were allowed to stand unchallenged.

Ireland Financial Crisis Peter Morrison Peter Morrison

Desire to avoid a paper train

The only solution was to excise the text if errors were not to be given credence. The desire to avoid a paper train was extremely strong in the past and the inquiry’s final report makes a minor recommendation on this point, but does little else to change this cultural habit.

Another brain bug that dominates the Irish policy-making community is that of the outsourced brain, an outsourcing which very quickly leads to an outsourcing of responsibility. Here the desire to be glic versus cliste results in a denigration of the technocratic skills required to govern a modern state.

It became apparent that in the past and as well as in the present, the Irish policy-making community delegated or relied very heavily on outsiders to do their thinking and decision making. Sometimes this took the form of consultants, especially for very complicated work beyond the capacity of a generalist civil service.

This was clear in the guarantee. In most cases this outsourcing of thinking was to the European Commission and ECB. The Commission especially was seen as the font of knowledge and policy. The eurozone was entered without much thought to its implications. The operation of the currency from 1998-2008 was not questioned locally and when the crisis happened solutions were sought and recommendations followed from Europe.

The Irish policy maker was the local agent of ideas formed elsewhere. Part of this was due to the size of the Irish economy relative to the eurozone as a whole, but much of it was the result of not having officials and ministers that were capable of debating with their European counterparts.

river (8) Patrick Neary Rollingnews.ie Rollingnews.ie

The preference for deferring to European authority still remains and much of the inquiry’s lack of engagement with the new Banking Union has as much to do with it taking place in 2014/15 (ie outside the terms of reference) as the fact that Ireland feels that it has such a limited role in the new financial architecture of the Europe.

The fear of legal action 

The final brain bug relates to fear of legal action. It makes perfect sense to avoid litigation, but when it becomes your raison d’etre then you have lost the case already.

The legal profession has successfully ensured that the power of parliament to investigate and make findings of fact has been reduced to near nil.

While I would never advocate that the separation of powers be violated and the parliament take on judicial powers I believe that parliament has a role to play in developing policy and that requires making findings of fact and conducting investigations.

The US Congress and UK Parliament have both shown how important this process is to public accountability and better regulation. The additional fears of violating the right to one’s good name has caused the secretariat to use circumspect language and to avoid the inclusion of many comparisons and items of information due to litigation concerns.

This is not how a healthy separation of powers operates with the legislature living in fear of the judiciary.

All these brain bugs resulted in a report that is rather anodyne and lacking in real policy recommendations.

Ultimately, the banking inquiry did not put in place recommendations and findings that would enable policy to change in Ireland. The facts were largely known. The true details are still hidden in the documentation collected for the inquiry. The value of the process was that we received a glimpse of how problematic the system of oversight and scrutiny in Ireland was and remains.

The dysfunctional cultures in official organisations, the disregard for facts and differing viewpoints in the public and private sector and a legislature that is encouraged not to think, argue or investigate is visible for all to see.

In order to truly move on from the disastrous years of 2008-13 and never lose our economic sovereignty again those fundamental “brain bugs” must be quashed.

Business as usual has become the order of the day, reform fatigue has set in and the seeds of the next crisis are already being cultivated. I have published a paper, A Way Forward: The Future of Irish and European Union Financial Regulationwith my concerns on the inquiry in more detail and welcome any questions on that and on the process as a whole.

Senator Sean D Barrett is an Independent member of Seanad Eireann for the University of Dublin, Trinity College constituency. He was a Senior Lecturer in economics at Trinity College Dublin for nearly 40 years. He is a member of the Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis. 

Read: Half the country thinks Enda should steer clear of Michael Lowry>

Read: This radical left alternative has no leader and different views on Sinn Féin>

Readers like you are keeping these stories free for everyone...
A mix of advertising and supporting contributions helps keep paywalls away from valuable information like this article. Over 5,000 readers like you have already stepped up and support us with a monthly payment or a once-off donation.

Close
19 Comments
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Fergal McDonagh
    Favourite Fergal McDonagh
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 12:24 AM

    What about all those who couldn’t possibly think less of Britain than they already did?

    468
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Anne Warren
    Favourite Anne Warren
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 12:40 AM

    @Fergal McDonagh: indeed Fergal
    Some of us never thought much of “England as Britain” particularly when acting in Ireland.
    Let’s remember “The British Government has no right in Ireland, never had any right in Ireland, and never can have any right in Ireland.” – James Connolly (1916)

    376
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Peter Roche
    Favourite Peter Roche
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 8:18 AM

    @Fergal McDonagh: they are the half who couldn’t care less about the British. Joly Good

    19
    See 8 more replies ▾
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Justin Gillespie
    Favourite Justin Gillespie
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 9:35 AM

    @Fergal McDonagh: Some of you guys are nothing more than a mirror image of the most outspoken Brexiteers with your hate.
    Sad really.

    50
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute A Well Known Comical Stereotype
    Favourite A Well Known Comical Stereotype
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 11:34 AM

    @Justin Gillespie: How do you reckon the English would feel if a foreign power took 20% of their land?

    34
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute TomTraubert
    Favourite TomTraubert
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 12:08 PM

    @Anne Warren: yes but they aren’t ‘in’ Ireland.

    11
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Justin Gillespie
    Favourite Justin Gillespie
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 12:46 PM

    @A Well Known Comical Stereotype: The English would give it back in a heartbeat if they could.
    Unfortunately the bigotry and hatred on both sides means that it isn’t likely to happen anytime soon

    21
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute billy bound
    Favourite billy bound
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 4:25 PM

    @Anne Warren:

    When will it stop. Its like british going on about the Romans.

    10
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Angela McCarthy
    Favourite Angela McCarthy
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 4:27 PM

    @Justin Gillespie: both sides? did both sides pressurise Britain to invade here 800 years ago. Did both sides ask for or vote for Brexit?

    Was Britain ever neutral in Ireland? Get a grip Justin, you are not fooling anyone with that nonsense – in the same week as the innocent tortured Hooded men by the British Army is back in the news.

    The thing is Justin, something you fail to get your head around, is people on here expressing such views of Britain’s role in Ireland, reserves such feelings towards the British political establishment, not the ordinary British people who are generally decent people.

    16
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute billy bound
    Favourite billy bound
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 4:32 PM

    @A Well Known Comical Stereotype:

    They did, years ago. The romans, remember them

    1
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute A Well Known Comical Stereotype
    Favourite A Well Known Comical Stereotype
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 11:08 PM

    @Justin Gillespie: R ubbish on all counts. They could give it back in six months by making it so. The bigotry is on the side of the empire, not the victims of empire. Do you blame Nelson Mandela for apartheid?

    5
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Ernie Gallagher
    Favourite Ernie Gallagher
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 12:11 AM

    As if things aren’t decisive enough, let the MSM find new angles to divide even further.

    206
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Eoin Roche
    Favourite Eoin Roche
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 1:24 AM

    @Ernie Gallagher: divisive?

    69
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Contrary Mary
    Favourite Contrary Mary
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 1:43 AM

    @Ernie Gallagher: Glad to see someone calling this pettiness out.

    127
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Tom Hickey
    Favourite Tom Hickey
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 12:11 AM

    I think much less of our Government and the experts advising them “NETPH” after today’s announcements to be honest. At least they seem to be living some form of a normal life.

    151
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Mick Tobin
    Favourite Mick Tobin
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 12:20 AM

    @Tom Hickey: Not for much longer.

    93
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Gary Kearney
    Favourite Gary Kearney
    Report
    Dec 19th 2021, 1:08 PM

    @Tom Hickey: Half a million new cases of covid-19 is living a normal life. Wow What do you consider normal.

    4
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Contrary Mary
    Favourite Contrary Mary
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 1:42 AM

    Why do 99% of us here need so badly to be feel superior to other countries? Its not a good look.

    134
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Watchful Axe
    Favourite Watchful Axe
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 4:07 AM

    @Contrary Mary: FRO back to USA. Superior? FO 99% FO

    15
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Contrary Mary
    Favourite Contrary Mary
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 12:19 PM

    @Watchful Axe: I definitely hit a nerve. lol

    13
    See 2 more replies ▾
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Des Hanrahan
    Favourite Des Hanrahan
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 3:16 PM

    @Contrary Mary: 99% of us do not have a need to feel superior to anyone . Only Ireland’s 1% do so .

    9
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Angela McCarthy
    Favourite Angela McCarthy
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 4:32 PM

    @Contrary Mary: Superior? you need to explain that one.

    10
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute The Cuban Lad
    Favourite The Cuban Lad
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 2:09 AM

    Don’t think they’ll lose much sleep about it

    116
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute E.J. Murray
    Favourite E.J. Murray
    Report
    Dec 19th 2021, 12:58 AM

    @The Cuban Lad: — They’re too busy hating each other to worry about any outsiders hating them.

    3
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Mick Tobin
    Favourite Mick Tobin
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 12:14 AM

    There are of course those for whom the country was already sort of sat at the bottom of the pit, so it makes one wonder whether their views could even have been properly represented in this particular survey.

    85
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Chris Gaffney
    Favourite Chris Gaffney
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 2:38 AM

    I was born in England but feel very embarrassed by the current level of the intelligence of the electorate!!

    106
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Max Bailey
    Favourite Max Bailey
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 12:16 PM

    @Chris Gaffney: I’m English and living in Ireland as are my family. My mother says she’s embarrassed to be British at this stage. I don’t agree with that… I’m embarrassed of Britain though.

    26
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Joe Thorpe
    Favourite Joe Thorpe
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 1:42 PM

    @Max Bailey: I’m British been here 30 odd years & couldn’t care less what people think. If they want to rejoin ROI have a vote no one cares, ask Barbados who recently voted to become an independent country no one batted an eyelid. Hong Kong went back to China having become one of the richest countries per capita in the world when the last UK governor left but if they decided to remain a part of the UK they will be defended just as the likes of Gibraltar, the Falklands etc would be. Every year during hurricane season the UK stations large warships in the Caribbean to rescue crown dependencies if they are hit because it’d responsible for their safety but no one would care if they became republics.

    23
    See 1 more reply ▾
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Gary Kearney
    Favourite Gary Kearney
    Report
    Dec 19th 2021, 1:11 PM

    @Joe Thorpe: Most of us laugh at the British belief of being superior to everyone.
    Like football, we love England getting beaten, why? we love to see the English press tie themselves up in knots about it.
    Its hilarious as they try and blame everyone else.
    A constant source of amusement.

    4
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Ronan Walsh
    Favourite Ronan Walsh
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 12:18 AM

    What a groundbreaking poll.

    73
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Gearoid De Nogla
    Favourite Gearoid De Nogla
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 10:10 AM

    @Ronan Walsh: We’ll, it did find Aontú voters, so that has to be a thing.

    27
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Stephen Nix
    Favourite Stephen Nix
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 12:20 AM

    I wonder what percent of British people are laughing at the endless lockdowns here?

    111
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Tracktrack
    Favourite Tracktrack
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 12:50 AM

    @Stephen Nix: Probably the 93,045 infected with covid today.

    224
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Gus McIntosh
    Favourite Gus McIntosh
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 7:26 AM

    @Stephen Nix: Uk had taken a different tactic this time round. Put messaging out recommending that people restrict their movements without enforcing it. Without doubt people are worried and are taking responsibility for themselves.

    The negative side of this, of course, is retail and hospitality are further hit but as it is not enforced, the government does not feel the same obligation for protective financial packages which many are upset about.

    Personally I think it is the correct way to go. Keeps industry afloat but emphasises the risks. Treating people like grown ups for once.

    The mass infections are mirrored all over the place. It’ll be the same everywhere. Just at different times.

    I think it is well understood that restrictions slow hospitalisation, not reduce them much.

    25
    See 2 more replies ▾
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute TomTraubert
    Favourite TomTraubert
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 12:11 PM

    @Stephen Nix: we’re not in lockdown here, curb your hyperbole. Good lad.

    6
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Stephen Nix
    Favourite Stephen Nix
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 1:00 PM

    @TomTraubert: im a DJ and a barmen. i have just lost most of my income a week before Christmas. Lockdown or not this is a kick in the nuts.

    9
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute John Clarke
    Favourite John Clarke
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 2:55 AM

    Hello this is my first comment on the journal

    61
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Justin Gillespie
    Favourite Justin Gillespie
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 9:33 AM

    @John Clarke: Get out John while you still can.

    78
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Seán Ó Briain
    Favourite Seán Ó Briain
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 11:42 AM

    @John Clarke: Welcome to the thunderdome.

    12
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute John Clarke
    Favourite John Clarke
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 2:33 AM

    I think we should join them Europe isn’t that great and the brits are in politics since there was politics I think there right

    63
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Bigblue2572
    Favourite Bigblue2572
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 2:54 AM

    @John Clarke: when you have, neither punctuation nor grammar you should stop!! And brexit will be the bane of their lives not ours!!

    144
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute John Clarke
    Favourite John Clarke
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 3:02 AM

    @Bigblue2572: Sorry my grammar isn’t on par with yours

    32
    See 4 more replies ▾
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Dec
    Favourite Dec
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 4:55 AM

    @John Clarke: grammar is the least of your worries!

    77
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute WiseUp
    Favourite WiseUp
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 8:51 AM

    @John Clarke: Hopefully this is your first and last comment, complete nonsense.

    49
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute
    Favourite
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 10:49 AM

    @John Clarke: and you started so well John

    15
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute James Lough
    Favourite James Lough
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 12:03 PM

    @Dec: lol

    5
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Colm O'Leary
    Favourite Colm O'Leary
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 2:25 AM

    Boo hoo! Don’t the Irish realise that most people in Britain don’t even know Ireland exists and if they do they think that it’s just the six counties? I’m sure they’re all crying into their cafe Nero cappuccinos in Knightsbridge as I’m typing that the Irish think less of them. Ffs, get a grip people? This article is embarrassing! If England gets a chill the Irish get a cold. We only have to look at this weeks over reaction by the government here to the UK’s covid situation and the rise of omicron. Rather than looking at what doctors in South Africa have to say about it. Their knee jerk reaction is to half shut the country down because they’ve had one death in the uk. As far as brexit is concerned, they’ve made their bed, let them lie in it.

    89
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute HectorPickaxe
    Favourite HectorPickaxe
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 6:43 AM

    @Colm O’Leary: I agree. Although Brexit has a big impact on us, so unfortunately we’ll be lying in the bed too to some degree.

    14
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Bill Spill
    Favourite Bill Spill
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 9:12 AM

    @Colm O’Leary: Most people in Britain don’t even know Ireland exists? God you must think worse of them than those surveyed! Brexit was a dumb move sure, but they’re not all idıots colm.

    44
    See 2 more replies ▾
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Aine O Connor
    Favourite Aine O Connor
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 11:32 AM

    @Colm O’Leary: It would be interesting to know what percentage of the population in Britain have Irish Roots. I have loads of relatives who emigrated over there to find work when there was nothing for them here and never came back. They worked hard ,reared and educated their children many of whom did very well lest we forget.
    The bit I don’t understand is how it is only now it is becoming apparent to the electorate that Boris Johnson is a train wreck,a fact that was obvious to any rational person from the start.

    21
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Pat Barry
    Favourite Pat Barry
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 9:19 PM

    @Aine O Connor: Afaik it’s around 10%.

    2
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Colette Kearns
    Favourite Colette Kearns
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 12:38 AM

    Seriously I wouldn’t judge anyone on the fact they have ×#!× of a government@

    42
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute
    Favourite
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 10:29 AM

    It’s not half of people in Ireland, it’s half the journal readers who took the poll

    27
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute malcolm smith
    Favourite malcolm smith
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 1:23 AM

    Britain, can’t live with them, can’t live without them.

    33
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute HectorPickaxe
    Favourite HectorPickaxe
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 6:40 AM

    @malcolm smith: Exactly. Very slow to get deliveries now (in my experience at least), and is becoming increasingly difficult and expensive to buy decent second hand cars. I’m sure that there are many more things affected also. Brexit was/is a bit of a disaster for us

    21
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Patrick Corr
    Favourite Patrick Corr
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 12:20 AM

    The age demographic speaks a lot.
    This is the generation that comes after the GFA. Perfidious Albion is unknowsnt to them.

    35
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Mick Tobin
    Favourite Mick Tobin
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 12:37 AM

    @Patrick Corr: Or was, and Brexit is in the process of changing that.

    25
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Mjhint
    Favourite Mjhint
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 10:04 AM

    Opposite for me. Brexit has brought pay rises and better conditions to our sector.

    21
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute William Tallon
    Favourite William Tallon
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 2:24 AM

    I once met a person from this Britain you speak of! Blimey but they talk funny mate me old China cor guvnor that’s a real pea-souper tonight lumme oh what a knees up bang to rights you’re only supposed to blow the bloody doors off gertcha…

    36
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Colm O'Leary
    Favourite Colm O'Leary
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 2:31 AM

    @William Tallon: are you alright? You sound like you’ve had a stroke while typing?

    50
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute William Tallon
    Favourite William Tallon
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 3:15 AM

    @Colm O’Leary: I may very well have had a stroke but I can’t be sure! To help determine same maybe you might let me know what criteria you’re using. The deliberate omission of punctuation marks for attempted humourous purposes is so far as I know not a particularly good indicator of the occurrence of a cerebrovascular accident…

    31
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute John Clarke
    Favourite John Clarke
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 2:53 AM

    Hi this is my first comment on the journal but I’ve been a long time reader and I think the comments are the best thing about the journal.
    I also think the bits are right leaving the EU they have been I’m politics since politics began they never fully committed and they were right d,one forget however stupid or dumb you think a political party are they’ve generally been in this game a long time sometimes generations all going to school with each other and forming connections throughout life from qn early age I’m a irish man proud of it two I don’t generally like the British government but they know from experience when to leave a sinking ship.

    25
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute James Kelly
    Favourite James Kelly
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 7:30 AM

    @John Clarke: You should read over your typed comments before posting. Numerous spelling, grammar and punctuation errors.

    48
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute indh2004
    Favourite indh2004
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 11:19 AM

    What about all those Irish now living and working in the UK…what do they think?

    16
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Joe Thorpe
    Favourite Joe Thorpe
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 2:31 PM

    @indh2004: When Edna was lobbying them they seemed to be voting for Brexit too they wanted to protect their jobs from cheap imported labour

    8
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Des Hanrahan
    Favourite Des Hanrahan
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 3:28 PM

    It is hardly surprising that opinions of the UK have changed since Brexit . The list of abusive tirades and snide comments directed at this country since seems almost endless . They aren’t confined to the usual suspects in the Telegraph and Mail either . (Incidentally these are the newspapers of respectable Middle England .) The English have simply been honest about how they feel about Ireland and that has opened quite a few eyes over here .

    12
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Kevin Norris
    Favourite Kevin Norris
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 9:34 AM

    Let’s be fair, since and before Brexit their successive governments had done a sterling job in consistently lying to the population, blaming Europe for the failings of brexit cause they got what they wanted and at thats before their policies in relation to the pandemic. I’m stunned

    11
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute James Rock
    Favourite James Rock
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 12:40 AM

    Ya what now???

    6
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Sandra Duffy
    Favourite Sandra Duffy
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 1:12 PM

    The whole lead up to Brexit did change my opinion a lot about the UK. Prior to that I had thought the UK was far better a being a multicultural society than the US is. The attitudes expressed by UK society and media showed me I had been very mistaken about that.

    6
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute David Saunders
    Favourite David Saunders
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 3:36 PM

    They appear to have lost the plot

    6
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute Brian O' Leary
    Favourite Brian O' Leary
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 1:54 AM

    How is this even possible ?

    5
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute niannianyouyu
    Favourite niannianyouyu
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 1:33 PM

    @Brian O’ Leary: They conducted a survey and posted the results

    2
    Install the app to use these features.
    Mute The Kerry Slug
    Favourite The Kerry Slug
    Report
    Dec 18th 2021, 3:12 PM

    What a trash headline. Sure enough the gougers of society will descend on this story with glee. Never liked em anyway etc. Division is the enemy of all people

    10
Submit a report
Please help us understand how this comment violates our community guidelines.
Thank you for the feedback
Your feedback has been sent to our team for review.
JournalTv
News in 60 seconds