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TONY WARREN, THE creator and writer of Coronation Street, has died aged 79.
Born Anthony McVay Simpson in Eccles, Manchester in 1937, he devised the show in 1960 aged just 24.
According to a statement, he passed away peacefully last night “surrounded by his loving friends” after a short illness.
Warren remained a consultant on the show until his death.
According to ITV, he was a regular visitor to the soap’s set in Trafford, Greater Manchester, “and loved nothing more than to catch up with the cast and crew during breaks in filming whilst offering the actors insightful feedback about their characters”.
Credited with creating the most successful programme ever in British television history, Tony adopted the stage surname of Warren during his early acting career as a child star.
In 1960, his initial scripts for Coronation Street were commissioned by Granada Television for the ITV network and he went on to write the first 13 episodes of the programme, which remains Britain’s favourite soap to this day.
The show was a success almost instantly, and Warren continued to write scripts for Granada on a fulltime basis until 1968. He then began to write other television dramas and went on to craft several critically acclaimed novels in the 1990s.
He wrote episodes sporadically until the late 1970s.
“When I first met Tony I couldn’t quite believe he’d created and written Coronation Street because he was no more than a young boy,” William Roache, who has played Ken Barlow in the soap since its first episode, said.
“It was his boyish energy even recently when I saw him again that I’ll remember. I loved Tony’s energy.
He was the father of Coronation Street and he gave us all so much. He will be so desperately missed because of who he was and what he did. We owe him so much.
ITV’s Director of Television Kevin Lygo said he gave ITV and the nation “the greatest gift imaginable when he created Coronation Street, an idea that continues to entertain millions on a regular basis”.
We all owe him an enormous debt of thanks.
‘Dreary’
In perhaps one of the least accurate predictions in the history of television, the Mirror’s TV critic Ken Irwin wrote after the second episode that Coronation Street was “doomed” from the outset.
He took particular issue with “its dreary signature tune and grim scene of a row of terraced houses and smoking chimneys”.
Writing on the occasion of the show’s 50th anniversary, he said the review has “haunted me for 50 years”.
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How many of these rats are there. Brussels definitely has an infestation.
@Pt pat……………..Millions! And well supported by ZAKAT!…….For numbers breakdown see link below.
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Don’t be ridiculous.. For starters before I even address your proposed human rights violation, most of the people living in this district are likely Belgian Citizens (just like the bombers). Most of a certain age will be born in Belgian!!! Secondly, violating a whole districts human rights sounds awfully like the Nazi Ghetto approach!
Or, perhaps an example closer to home might resonate – a Brutal British crack down on already disenfranchised republicans in Northern Ireland had the opposite effect. Internment, banning protest and events like Bloody Sunday led to a decades of violence
If we want to solve a problem with European citizens bombing in their countries then we need to address the core issues – ghettoisation & disenfranchisement and incessant western violence on a massive scale against their wider families in places like Syria and Iraq. The West (Western extremism) can’t kill Millions and injure and displace even more in Middle East and not expect reaction from people who’ll be easily led by extremists on the other side
Because heavy handed worked really well in Northern Ireland – genius!!
Maybe it’s the heavy handed approach of the West that led to millions of innocent lives being taken in Middle East over two decades that’s the problem!!
Diarmuid the biggest mosque in Europe was given the green light in my neighbourhood but it wouldn’t work through access. So if they came from my area would it be alright to strip search me and send me to Syria? See the issue?
- Or, perhaps an example closer to home might resonate – a Brutal British crack down on already disenfranchised republicans in Northern Ireland had the opposite effect. Internment, banning protest and events like Bloody Sunday led to a decades of violence
An no, BMFJ. Do you not listen to the Donald Trump fanboys on here. We need to address these Islamic extremists by marginalising every muslim we can find, that will work. It won’t at all drive normal decent people into the arms of terrorists by making them feel like unwanted, victimised outcasts. Nothing could possibly go wrong there!
Its the acts of their fellow Muslims that are playing the biggest role in marginalising Muslims, other Muslims are quite happy to be marginalised integration was never a priority.
Tell me why are Muslims in every European country ghettoized ? , they want to replicate the very conditions they left behind , their culture , burkas , child marriages , honour killings etc , one thing is certain if you don’t want Islamic violence then you are better off without Muslims in you community
Classic “progressive” thinking there BMJF – let’s not try to solve a problem, but let’s be sure to dig around for how we can blame wealthy western countries. Sickening. Strategic, military action by the West in the Middle East does not justify the murder of civilians by religious nutjobs – no matter how much you wish it would.
The real issue is the lack of desire among the leaders of the west to take meaningful action against Daesh. Given the range of nations who are at war with them or assissting the war effort (Iraq, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, Turkey, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Nigeria, Niger, Chad, Cameroon, Benin, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, UAE, Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Myanmar, The Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, USA, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, UK, Morocco, Australia, NZ, Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Estonia, Greece, Hungary, Poland, Bosnia, Iceland, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Austria, Finland, Ireland, Sweden, Georgia, Japan, South Korea, Macedonia, Moldova, Montenegro, Serbia, Somalia, Switzerland, Taiwan, Ukraine, Iran, Russia, Azerbaijan – and then Kurdistan and the likes of the Taliban, Hamas and Al-Qaeda), there is more than enough fire power to wipe them out completely in a relatively short space of time.
BMGF, you poor naive little soul. You’ve bought right into their victim propaganda. Have you ever actually lived and worked amongst them in their homelands? You’d be a bit wiser if you had the experience.
- Tell me why are Muslims in every European country ghettoized?
They’re not. There are countless Muslim communities in countless countries which aren’t.
I’m sitting across the road from a Mosque and Islamic center, Across the road is the city’s main Mosque which holds over 1000 people. Beside that is one of the most popular fast food restaurants in the city which is run by the mosque and is popular with all races and creeds. Muslims and non-muslims live beside each-other, work next to each-other and it’s fine.
Parts of London and places like Molenbeek are exceptional and the reasons they have created are manifold. The response to the problems which arise from places like these shouldn’t be to brand all muslims as the same and marginalise them further.
What does it look like inside the mosque ?
It’s got white walls and a green carpet.
@BMJF @Phil Don’t come on here trying to apply context, the bigots don’t like it. Don’t compare it to the North. It took a lot less for the ‘RA to immolate Brittish buses packed with innocent people in the 70′s.
People trying to compare people with Irish blood, the natives of Ireland fighting against (rightly or wrongly) what was a foreign power occupying OUR soil and comparing that with foreign peoples, not European natives of Belguim, but foreigners and their descendants who are not ethnic Belgians, trying to change the lives of native Europeans into what they came from in the middle east etc, no comparison, libtards have blood on their hands, they stop Europeans being allowed have their own country for their own people and open to foreign influx who see their country as up for grabs, time we kicked out the libtards to the non-Euro countries they so love.
So Phil you have no problem with the cruelty of muslim Halal slaughter and the fact that it is blessed to a god? (and for christians – god which is not the same as the christian god)
BMJF, It’s absolutely ‘gas’ that you didn’t mention Islam as one of the contributing factors to Islamic terrorism!! Unbelievable!
So as long as they’re born in Belgium that’s ok BMJF?
- So as long as they’re born in Belgium that’s ok BMJF?
He never said that. If you can’t argue against what someone says it seems it is find here to make something up and argue against them with that instead.
BMJF was the one who made an issue of the fact that most of these guys were born in Belgium, which is completely irrelevant in the context of the point that was being made. Why did BMJF even raise it?
- BMJF was the one who made an issue of the fact that most of these guys were born in Belgium, which is completely irrelevant in the context of the point that was being made. Why did BMJF even raise it?
so you accept then that he didn’t, as you implied, suggest that “as long as they’re born in Belgium that’s ok” then?
So why bring it up at all then, unless it was to imply that the fact that they’re born in Europe somehow makes criticism from other Europeans less warranted that it would be if they were born outside Europe?
Richard…OR..you could just leave the shia of syria,lebanon and iran to clean up DAESH…the wahabbis regard the shia as lower than dogs…poetic eh?
Phil…good message,the problem seems to be however when a wahabbi/salafist fundamentalist imam calls on his mosque to follow him they do…those who dissent are forced to comply or go elsewhere.
I was in the mosque on the nth circular road…its a reconditioned christian church.
Heavily armed police and soldiers on the streets of Europe will be the norm for many years to come….welcome to the new multicultural enriched Europe. Its only a matter of time before the borders go back up and free movement through Europe is stopped. Why should we have to live in fear just because Germany needs a influx of young cheep labour? Because im not buying that cr#p about “its the right thing to do”. This is the 3rd time in just over 100 years that Germany has caused havoc and to think a German minister wanted the flags of the countries needing bailouts to be lowered outside the EU headquarters…unbelievable!
These people were not immigrants they were Belgian. The terrorists in the Paris attacks were Belgian and French. So what are you talking about?
If people keep throwing up this smokescreen that this is related to immigrants and refugees then this problem will never be sorted out. These are almost all young men who have been in trouble with the law in the past. The focus needs to be on making sure such young men don’t turn to ISIS not on migrant bashing.
Maybe Darren if we stopped bombing the living day lights out of Middle Eastern civilians resulting in Literally millions of deaths & injuries over a sustained period of two decades we wouldn’t have the radicalisation of already disenfranchised & ghettoised EUROPEANS who committed disgusting Paris & Belgian attacks. These attacks have been rightly condemned & mourned and when we learn to condemn and mourn the actions of our governments in Middle East we might begin to solve this issue otherwise it will grow. We need to take a hard look in the mirror when we look for someone to blame for ‘destroying our way of life’.
European citizens need to learn to Condemn the violence by all & not cheerlead French bombers taking to the skies to kill yet more innocent civilians!!
You’ll be accused by some breathless hand-wringing mouthpiece of excusing these terrorists now, BMFJ.
Treating one’s brothers like cannon fodder overseas and like invisible people at home won’t cause any more problems then it already has, you know. Saying otherwise just makes you a terrorist sympathiser. We can’t possibly take a rational and in-depth look at what brought us to this situation. The best reaction is a knee-jerk reaction casting more and more otherwise reasonable people into the same net which caught these disaffected young men and radicalised them. That’s absolutely the best option for us.
Oh, and some rant about immigrants here – even though it’s patently obvious no immigrants has anything to do with this.
Najim Laachaouri born in Morocco, the El Bakhraoui brothers were born in Algeria, as far as I can tell Najim was never in trouble with the law until he went to Syria in 2013. Him and Salah Abdeslam came through Hungary from Syria under false names masquerading as refugees. Maybe letting millions of people from a war zone completely unveted is a bad idea. Belgium and France wouldn’t have these problems if they didnt take in Muslim immigrants.
I don’t see how it would be any better if they were second or third generation immigrants anyway. If it takes more than two generations to integrate you only have yourself to blame.
- El Bakhraoui brothers were born in Algeria
No, They weren’t. They were born in Belgium.
“Ibrahim, 29, and Khalid, 27, grew up in Laeken, a working-class neighborhood in northwest Brussels, not far from the Royal Palace. ”
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/world/europe/expanding-portraits-of-brussels-bombers-ibrahim-and-khalid-el-bakraoui.html?_r=0
- I don’t see how it would be any better if they were second or third generation immigrants anyway. If it takes more than two generations to integrate you only have yourself to blame.
Second or third generation immigrants have and do lives their lives without problems, day in and day out, Muslim and non-Muslim, everywhere in the world.
The example here being Laachraoui and his brother. One is a fine citizen and the other a radicalised Islamic terrorist who murdered innocent people. Why one went one way and the other another while both Muslims is proof enough that other factors were at play here.
‘Grew up’ or born ?
And if they stayed in Morocco, Morocco would have one more Olympian and France and Belgium wouldn’t of had their citizens blown up. I am not denying that Muslims immigrants never contribute but the simple fact is that no Muslim immigrants means no Islamic terror attacks. If Western European countries need immigrants there are plenty of other groups they can take in. The negatives of Islamic immigration far outweigh the benefits. And I apologies for saying that the El Bakhraoui brothers were born in Algeria, when I was checking where Laachaouri was from it said they were Algerian, I should have double checked.
‘Grew up’ or born ?
Born. They were born in Belgium.
“Police knew the brothers, both born in Belgium, from previous criminal activity, Van Leeuw said. In 2010, Ibrahim was sentenced to nine years in prison for shooting at police with a Kalashnikov during a robbery. In early 2011, Khalid El Bakraoui was arrested for possession of Kalashnikovs and had been sentenced to five years in prison for carjackings.”
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/23/brussels-airport-suicide-bombers-were-brothers-el-bakraoui-known-to-police-report.html
- the simple fact is that no Muslim immigrants means no Islamic terror attacks.
That has to be one of the silliest statements I’ve read here.
What is it you are suggesting? We never let any Muslims into Europe? We expel all Muslims from Europe? It’s not only ridiculous, it’s impractical and it’s completely insane.
Do you really believe that to be true? I am actually staggered by such a statement.
“In 2010 Ibrahim… for shooting at police with a Kalashnikov” how can’t you see why I don’t want these upstanding citizens in my country, we have problems as it is.
Phil, I agree with your comments and admire your persistence in putting your points forward, but I reckon you might as well talk to the wall as talk to people who in most instances have little or no experience of (nor, importantly, any understanding of) living in cities that have a wide mix of races/cutlures/religions. I saw a comment on here earlier about strip-searching people entering or leaving and all I could do was laugh at the ridiculousness of it…
Yes we should stop letting Muslims into Europe with the exception of highly educated and skilled professionals in fields where European countries lack workers, the Muslims already in Europe is a different problem altogether and I agree we can’t expel them but compounding on the problem by taking in more Muslims is the opposite of what should be done.
- “In 2010 Ibrahim… for shooting at police with a Kalashnikov” how can’t you see why I don’t want these upstanding citizens in my country, we have problems as it is
He is a Belgian citizen. He was born in Belgium. Belgium, legally, is his country too.
I don’t want Denis O’Brien in Ireland… but he’s an Irish Citizen. It’s his country. There’s nothing I can do about that.
Indeed Delores. A lot of this very much comes from small minds and lack of world experience.
Like I said, I’ve an Islamic community center across the road from my office, a mosque a stone’s thrown from here (which, among religious instruction teach arts and crafts for members and English classes) and a great restaurant run by the same community.
I rather like where I work and wouldn’t want to be strop searched coming to and from work (who would I steal stationary?!). For those who complain about self ghetoisation, how long do you think my office would remain here if staff were searched every day owing to some paranoia and collective punishment that all Muslims are suicide bombing terrorists? How do you think the ordinary people would feel being singled out like that just because the God they pray to? It is madness.
Yes, there is a huge problem with radicalised Muslims, but Muslims aren’t going away and we ought to be spending more time trying to avoid radicialisation rather than inflaming it…. apparently this belief is “liberal” and “naive”. I think it’s common sense.
Have you explained yet how you suggest those who are already radicalized can be deradicalized Phil? Apart from world peace let’s say.
- Have you explained yet how you suggest those who are already radicalized can be deradicalized Phil?
Have I explained “yet”? Was I asked to somewhere? This appears to me to be the first time such a request has been made of me.
So no, I haven’t “explained yet” how you suggest those who are already radicalized can be deradicalized.
- Apart from world peace let’s say.
No need to me smug.
You’ve said we should avoid radicalization but you didn’t say how. Or how to deal with the already-radicalized. Bit of a glaring omission. Consider yourself formally asked now.
- You Phil Blanc have the blood of Europeans on your hands for your support of OpenBorders.
You’re a nutter, JournalStasi.
- You’ve said we should avoid radicalization but you didn’t say how.
I didn’t say that. I said we should avoid further marginalisation of Muslims in Europe which will lead to further radicalisation. I have said this a number of times now, how you managed to misconstrue that is difficult to understand.
- Or how to deal with the already-radicalized. Bit of a glaring omission. Consider yourself formally asked now.
A glaring omission when that particular issue it was never discussed here by me, or anyone else for that matter?
” You’ve said we should avoid radicalization but you didn’t say how.
I didn’t say that”
Yes you did.
“we ought to be spending more time trying to avoid radicialisation rather than inflaming it….”
” I said we should avoid further marginalisation of Muslims in Europe which will lead to further radicalisation.”
This is the same thing in a longer sentence.
So you have a suggestion for avoiding further radicalization and none whatsoever for how to deal with existing radicalization. And the two seem like entire separate issues to you. I don’t think you actually understand what everyone else is discussing.
They’re talking about how to deal with a problem that actually exists right now as well as how to prevent that problem worsening in future.
Could it be that you in fact have no answer as to how the problem that actually exists right now can be dealt with? You’re remarkably reticent about spitting it out if you do. That’s quite a common pattern on here these days.
One guy used the excuse that no one here was worthy of hearing his glorious suggestion, you claim you’ve never been asked and that no one is talking about that anyway. It’s fascinating how you all flounder around for ways to avoid answering what is a very simply and obvious question.
Who gives a flying fvck where they were born Phil – does it make a difference??
” You’ve said we should avoid radicalization but you didn’t say how.
I didn’t say that”
Yes you did.
“we ought to be spending more time trying to avoid radicialisation rather than inflaming it….”
” I said we should avoid further marginalisation of Muslims in Europe which will lead to further radicalisation.”
This is the same thing in a longer sentence.
You’ve answered your own question, and I’ve answered it again.
We should spend our time avoid radicialisation rather than inflaming it, inflaming it by further marginalisation of Muslims in Europe. Its’ not that hard to follow. Please don’t start playing silly beggers with me.
- So you have a suggestion for avoiding further radicalization and none whatsoever for how to deal with existing radicalization. And the two seem like entire separate issues to you. I don’t think you actually understand what everyone else is discussing.
Spare me your condensation.
They’re talking about how to deal with a problem that actually exists right now as well as how to prevent that problem worsening in future.
Sure… with suggestions like strip searching Muslims in their own communities…
I am saying that further marginalisation like that will make the problem worse. Not better. That is the point I am making. That is the point I have been making all along. That is the point others have been arguing against. You’re the one who bought another issue into it. If you want to discuss that then do so but don’t pretend you were when you weren’t.
- Could it be that you in fact have no answer as to how the problem that actually exists right now can be dealt with? You’re remarkably reticent about spitting it out if you do. That’s quite a common pattern on here these days.
No, because we weren’t t discussing it. If I was I would have addressed it. Stop with this nonsense projection.
- One guy used the excuse that no one here was worthy of hearing his glorious suggestion, you claim you’ve never been asked and that no one is talking about that anyway. It’s fascinating how you all flounder around for ways to avoid answering what is a very simply and obvious question.
It wasn’t being discussed! If it was I’d have addressed it. You can’t accuse me of floundering when the issue I’m supposedly floundering about wasn’t being discussed. FFS you’re being ridiculous now.
- Who gives a flying fvck where they were born Phil – does it make a difference??
Yes. When one claims that migrants and refugees coming into Europe now are part of the problem it matters a great deal.
When the ones who are perpertrating these acts are citizens of the counties they attack, when they are EU citizens . It matters a great deal too.
For example, one of those involved was deported BACK to Belgium, deported because he was engaging in terrorist activities. That’s hugely important.
Ah, so criticizing the suggestions that other people make for how to deal with the problem is all you want to do. And you have no intention of making any alternative suggestions. Interesting.
Most people who are concerned about the current problem are keen to put forward ideas for how to solve it. Most of them didn’t even need to wait to be asked before putting their thoughts out there, let alone refuse to answer a direct question about it. Yet you’re only interested in criticizing their suggestions. Very odd.
- Ah, so criticizing the suggestions that other people make for how to deal with the problem is all you want to do. And you have no intention of making any alternative suggestions. Interesting.
This is pointless. I’m highlighting how marginalising innocent Muslims by looping them in with a tiny percentage of radicals who don’t represent the views of most will, without doubt, make the situation worse.
How is wishing to prevent an issue which is bad getting worse a bad thing as you seem making out?
Most people who are concerned about the current problem are keen to put forward ideas for how to solve it. Most of them didn’t even need to wait to be asked before putting their thoughts out there, let alone refuse to answer a direct question about it. Yet you’re only interested in criticizing their suggestions. Very odd.
I am not “most people”. I am just me and I’m simply discussing how treating all Muslims as pariahs is counter productive. There’s nothing odd about it.
I’m none with you now, this sort of accusatory crap doesn’t interest me.
I think you’re totally missing the point Phil, which seems to have gone completely over your head.
Properly managed immigration can undoubtedly be a positive thing, but mass immigration without the necessary support structures in place (particularly when there is no desire to integrate) leads to a certain amount of ghettoisation, high unemployment, criminality, resentment on all sides and yes, radicalization and violence. I don’t think anyone with eyes, ears and a brain can dispute that at this stage.
Maybe you’re only capable of a short-term view, but to me it doesn’t matter whether the problems come immediately (New Year in Germany) or one or two generations later (Paris, Brussels, London, Madrid etc…), the point is that mass unmanaged (and uncontrolled in the case of the latest wave) immigration is inevitably going to result in the kind of problems we’re now seeing.
*and that’s with the assumption that a certain percentage of recent immigrants didn’t enter Europe already having the intention to wreak havoc here.
Pt pat…your postings are accurate and agreeable but are you being distracted/exploited by other,successive posters with repetitive arguments on this topic but different names/agendas?
just to point out they were after a nuclear power plant, it may have been the target. https://www.rt.com/news/336985-brussels-terror-nuclear-plants/
Well that’s fçuking terrifying.
I’d take Fox News over RT, and that’s says a lot.
I’d take the drunk outside the train station who screams at the voices in his head over RT.
That’s a very weird comment. I’m not interested in sneering nonsense from people like you. If you can’t contribute effectively to the discussion then please don’t bother addressing me at all.
At last.
You have to wonder how many ‘cells’ and ‘lone wolves’ are ‘ready to go’ around Europe!
A lot more since they let in over a million migrants without vetting them!
Paris & Belgium attackers – EUROPEAN citizens & NOT migrants
Time and time again we see that the people who carry out these attacks, London, Paris, Brussels, are in fact citizens of the UK, France, Belgium etc and not newly arrived immigrants and yet so many people are so consumed by irrational hatred of harmless immigrants that they’ll throw themselves prostrate raving about the immigrants, or God forbid the Muslim Immigrants, when the terrorists are already here, are second or third generation citizens and all come from the same areas… does it not occur to any one these people that the immigrants aren’t the problem. It’s the circumstances these 2nd/3rd generation communities fine themselves in which is breeding terrorism and this needs to be addressed because it’s not going away, no matter how many borders we close or how many immigrants and refugees we turn away.
All from immigrant backgrounds. One immigrant background in particular, Muslim immigrants. You can call them UK, French or Belgian citizens all you like it doesn’t change the fact that the natives aren’t doing these attacks neither are Christian, Hindu , Sikh, or Buddhist immigrants, it is exclusively Muslims.
Simple answer , don’t let anymore in
All Jihadists.
BMJF, are you serious? Just because they were granted citizenship does not mean they were not migrants.
- All from immigrant backgrounds
There are tens of millions of people from immigrant backgrounds all over Europe. There are millions of muslims from immigrant backgrounds all over Europe. Of all of those only a tiny fraction of them are in any way problematic. And a lot of them problems can be traced back to places like Molenbeek rather than the thousands of Muslim communities found elsewhere in Europe. Hell, there are areas of Brussels which has a higher percentage of Muslims living there than in Molenbeek but they don’t have the same problems that place does.
But, for some reason (I won’t speculate on why), people like you seem to think that it’s all Muslims who are the problem when, quite clearly, that’s not the case. You’ll then brand anyone who points this out as “PC”, or “Liberal” or “brainwashed” or whatever, but you can’t explain why you take the view you do in light of the very clear fact that the vast majority of Muslims in Europe are as far from the people who carried out these attacks as the rest of us are.
John Payne. they’re NOT migrants. They’re second and third generation Belgians.
Najim Laachaouri was born in Morocco. The El Bakhraoui brothers were born in Algeria.
@Pt pat Feelings are more important than facts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35893123 Glasgow mosque Imam praises Mumtaz Qadri who murdered a Pakistani politician because he criticised Pakistan’s strict blasphemy laws. I wonder if Mr Halawa did the same.
Laachraoui – was born in Morocco, but he was raised in Belgium and became a Belgian. The rest of his family, all Muslims, the same and they aren’t terrorists nor are they criminals. His brother is expected to represent Belgium in the next Olympics.
Both Khalid and Ibrahim el-Bakraoui were Belgian citizens born in Belgium.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/23/brussels-airport-suicide-bombers-were-brothers-el-bakraoui-known-to-police-report.html
It seems facts aren’t all that important when you’re trying to accuse someone of being preoccupied with “feelings”… whatever that’s supposed to mean.
Phil you seem to missing the point altogether its these current Muslim immigrants who will breed the next generations of Muslim killers and suicide bombers.
- Phil you seem to missing the point altogether its these current Muslim immigrants who will breed the next generations of Muslim killers and suicide bombers.
Quite possibly. But, like the previous generations of immigrants the vast majority won’t become terrorists and suicide bombers. Which is exactly why we should investigate the reasons why some from the last generations of immigrants radicalised, and why it happens in places like Molenbeek., and some haven’t and seek to address that so we don’t see more of this happening.
Rather than, as so many here seem to think is the solution, marginalise Muslims further and push them into he hands of radicals.
Your solution Phil seems to be that it is our own fault and we should fix the problem instead of the Muslim community fixing the problem from within?, don’t forget many of these Muslims are radicalised by their very own Imams who preach hatred of Western values and encourage misogyny not to mention homophobia etc.
I think we as a society have been more than welcoming and these barbaric attacks are the thanks we get for giving them a better standard of living and a tolerant society, all these murderous attacks understandably have worn that tolerance paper thin!.
How much longer can we tolerate the intolerant of the religion of special privileges?.
Phil Blanc
“the vast majority won’t become terrorists and suicide bombers.” – So you do agree then that some will? All it takes is one to cause mayhem. Those that don’t become terrorists themselves will still be sympathetic towards the Jihadist’s efforts. That’s why no muslims report terrorism. If they did, they would become apostates and maybe have their noses cut off.
Your opinion seems to be based on emotion and not fact. You’re way too naive if you think millions of undocumented muslims with a 7th century barbaric ideology can easily integrate into Western society.
About a dozen IS members have been proven to have used the refugee route through Greece and the Balkans to travel to and from Syria, with false Syrian papers, under the radar of security forces. 3 of the Paris attackers returned to Europe that way. As did 4 who belonged to the same group but got stuck in Salzburg along the way when their papers were questioned. A high profile IS commander was arrested a couple of months ago living in a German refugee camp. Most of this is not being reported in the English speaking media. Presumably too much work for them to translate.
All of them were treated as being ‘innocent refugees’ as they arrived in Greece and followed the Balkan route. Some were put up in refugee centres just like all the actual refugees. Applicants for refuge is not the same thing as refugee. They have absolutely no idea who most of the migrants are, let alone who among them is a war criminal or terrorist. You can’t actually screen people coming from warzones, often with no documentation or false documents. It simply can’t be done. So to claim this has nothing to do with the current mass migration is completely false.
- Your solution Phil seems to be that it is our own fault and we should fix the problem instead of the Muslim community fixing the problem from within?
I never said it was our own fault, but we do play a part in it. I also never said that we should fix the problem instead of the Muslim communities.
We should work together to address the problems because we both suffer when things go wrong.
I hear a lot about this working together with Muslim communities against extremism but I don’t actually see anyone doing it. And certainly not effectively. What does that actually involve – in real concrete terms? What is the strategy and how is it supposed to work? I’ve yet to see anyone provide anything other than vague cliches about it and this is really too important for that.
- So you do agree then that some will?
Sadly yes. Some will.
- All it takes is one to cause mayhem.
Yes. But under no circumstances is that grounds to justify collective punishment of all Muslims, that vast majority of which are as decent innocent law abiding citizens who are as appalled at such attacks as the rest of us are. In fact, in Brussels which has a huge Muslim population (also In France and London) it’s likely some were victims of the bombings.
Those that don’t become terrorists themselves will still be sympathetic towards the Jihadist’s efforts.
- Sure, but what has that got to do with anything? We’re not the thought police. And, in any event, the numbers who are are very small in comparison.
- That’s why no muslims report terrorism. If they did, they would become apostates and maybe have their noses cut off.
What?
- Your opinion seems to be based on emotion and not fact.
I’m the only one here who has presented any fact. It is also a fact that marganilised and disaffected people are more prone to radicilisation than those who aren’t.
- You’re way too naive if you think millions of undocumented muslims with a 7th century barbaric ideology can easily integrate into Western society.
Now you’re making things up. What millions of undocumented Muslims are we talking about here? None of the attackers in Belgium were part of the recent influx of refugees. Conflating two issues isn’t very useful.
But on that point most of those coming here are fleeing the same kind of people who perpetrated the attacks in Brussels.
I’m the only one here who has presented any fact. It is also a fact that marganilised and disaffected people are more prone to radicilisation than those who aren’t.”
Phil how come its only the Muslims that feel mariginalised and disaffected, and not the Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, Jewish, Chinese, Eastern European migrants etc etc?, and how come its only the Muslims who are killing and maiming the people of their adopted country?.
Or maybe they were never marginalised or disaffected in the first place its just their 7th century ideology at work?.
- Phil how come its only the Muslims that feel mariginalised and disaffected, and not the Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, Jewish, Chinese, Eastern European migrants etc etc?, and how come its only the Muslims who are killing and maiming the people of their adopted country?.
It’s not “only the Muslims that feel mariginalised” It’s some Muslims. Again the tar brush at work.
Like I said, there are areas in Brussels with significantly higher percentages of Muslim populations than Molenneek which don’t have anything even close to what is seen there. Elsewhere followers of Islam (or “7th century ideology” as you seem to fond of that phrase) don’t feel mariginalised and disaffected.
Also, to say that other groups don’t feel mariginalised and disaffected isn’t true.
Allowing that to happen or not addressing it when it does is dangerous, and certainly furthering that isolation and marginalisation will only worsen the problems caused by it.
- I hear a lot about this working together with Muslim communities against extremism but I don’t actually see anyone doing it.
There are thousands of Muslim communities around Europe who have nothing to do with extremists or radicals. Literally thousands. There’s your proof it happens, day in, day out, all day, every day.
We hear about the ones who are, a tiny minority, because they do things like this. We need to focus in why, rather than blanket blaming the majority who consider acts like this as unconscionable as the rest of us.
No that doesn’t prove that non-Muslims are working effectively with Muslim communities to fight extremism. In fact, many Muslims and ex-Muslims who are trying to fight extremism are incredibly frustrated with non-Muslims trying ham-fistedly to ‘help’ by denying that groups like IS have anything to do with Islam. They often attempt to address the theological justification that such groups use. While so many well-meaning non-Muslims shoot them in the back by pretending that there are no such theological issues.
I don’t blanket blame all Muslims in any way. I do blame non-Muslims who spout airy platitudes about working with the Muslim community when they have absolutely no intention of risking their own necks to confront the radicals head on alongside Muslims who are willing to do so. It’s cowardice dressed up as anti-racism.
- Firstly that is incorrect, newly arrived scammers are among terrorists.
What do you mean by newly arrived scammers?
And no “newly arrived” anybody, “scammers” or otherwise, were among the terrorists here as far as we know. Certainly the three identified were all Belgian citizens. Two of them born in Belgium and the other spent most of his life there.
Such obvious inaccuracy lends your comments no weight.
William…im no expert but some pro immigrant posters,though their names change,appear to make the very same arguments with incredible tenacity and speed…
controversial observations not allowed here and blocked
read it here instead http://www.writeurl.com/publish/fc80ondfwlku77epsc37
I was going to say that the Journal is pretty good for allowing controversial opinions but then I noticed John Kelly’s first comment on the article was deleted so that proves your point.
Yeah I’ve read something similar before – scrawled in feces on the wall of a mental asylum.
You were in a mental asylum?? was it your feces as well?
When did they let you out?
And that was written in English. Unlike the ramblings in that link.
Yeah John, and jet fuel can’t melt steel.
That’s one scary thought!
Can The West not start talking to each other properly? Compile all so called terrorist lists together and then follow each person on the overall list like a hawk. I’d happily pay more tax for twenty-four hour surveillance of people on these lists until they are caught for sneezing and put in prison.
If West stopped spending billions on bombs that kill many middle eastern civilians then we’d have a lot of money for surveillance
How many bombs did Belgium drop on Iraq. Is Boko Haram caused by the non existent American invasion of Nigeria too. Maybe that’s not the cause. You do know Islamic terror groups existed before the Iraq war.
“Can The West not start talking to each other properly?” Brussels alone has 19 mayors and six police chiefs.
Are you mad? The West has funded and facilitated this entire mess. Allowing these immigrants into Europe is not a humanitarian effort by our Western leaders, it is the planned and forced destruction of civilised society.
Order out of Chaos.
What’s the backstory? The Israelis are a civilised people unlike this shower. Why are you hijacking this story with your anti-Semitic propaganda?
Anti Semites see the whole world in terms of the Arab war on Israel.
The guy stabbed an Israeli soldier was shot and injured. He was lying on the ground for while and then an Israeli soldier shot him again. The soldier has been arrested.
So exactly what you would expect from a civilised country. Love how the original comment left out the whole stabbing incident.
Brussels the capital of the EU, NATO and Jihad
Brussels has 19 municipal mayors and 6 different police authorities.
Is it any wonder that this terrorist cell had the freedom of the city to carry out the crimes.
It’s a very strange country indeed and Brussels reflects it’s fractious nature. What’s more interesting is that there are municipalities in Brussels which have a higher percentage of Muslims than Molenbeek, with an even higher population density and they have nothing close to the same problems as Molenbeek.
What is worse is that the problems there were known but there wasn’t the will or the power to deal with them. The Belgian PM as much as admitted this in the last few days.
Quite an audacious attack on the face of it………
With the benefit of hindsight the footage of the three guys, two with a single black glove on one hand only should have raised suspicions in a city on high alert. Yet they easily passed through security checkpoints. One of whose names had even come under close scrutiny the previous day.
Not very reassuring for embers of the public.
‘members’
They didn’t pass any security checkpoints, they got into a taxii, got out, entered the departures area of the airport. Two things to point out – it could have been any crowded place they went to without being subject to a security check, like Midi train station for example, for anyone who says there should be security checks at the front entrance – are we going to have to pass through a scanner leaving our homes one day ibecause we’re going into a public place?? And secondly, do you really think we’re all (and I say “we” because I live in Brussels) visually scanning every person we pass in the street here in case they are wearing only one sock, or one pink sock and one green one? We’d never leave the house if we were trying to be that suspicious of every detail!
‘One pink sock’
Highly suspicious.
Ground invasion of ISIS caliphate. Kill them all.
I thought during times of war countries had Marshall Law with powers to intern suspected enemy solders under the Geneva convention
They can’t declare martial law because there’s been no official declaration that there is a state of war. It has to be called terrorism when the little people do it. It’s only war when proper states do it. It’s all very racist actually. They declare they’re at war with us, we say ‘don’t be silly, no you’re not, you’re just confused/manipulated/
disenfranchised/marginalized/misunderstood dear – here, have a job instead and you’ll feel better about all this silliness in the morning.’ It’s actually the height of arrogance for western countries to assume that due to our general superiority we’re the ones who get to decide whether we’re at war or not and with whom.
Is Europe a better place today, having taken in thousands of muslins. So, why are they here, for who’s benefit.
Most of these terrorists are home grown in Europe. That’s the scary thing. Even if they stopped Muslim immigration now it would be too late.
We will probably not live to see the end of Islamic terrorism in Europe. Europe will be just like Africa and Asia in that respect. Islamic terrorism will be the new normal.
The mistake that was made was allowing so many Muslims into Europe in the first place.
No, the problem was allowing radicalisation to take hold in places like Molenbeek.
And how did Malians, Kenyans, Ivorians, Nigerians, Somalians, Sudanese, Egyptians, Indians, Bangladeshi’s, Yezidis, Copts etc. allow radicalization to take hold where they live? They all suffer from active jihadist movements and have for a long time.
There are huge and complex issues at play in all of those countries.
Phil, unfortunately there is no sure way to prevent Islamic radicalisation. Most countries in the world with a sizable muslim population suffer from Islamic terrorism in some form. Just look at Nigeria, Somalia, Mali, India, Chechnya. That’s to say nothing of the actual Muslim world where there are constant Sunni Shiite tensions.
The fact is that where ever there is a large population of Muslims, sooner or later there is Islamic terrorism. Welcome to the new Europe.
There are huge and complex issues at play everywhere. So why is ‘allowing radicalization’ the nice simple explanation for jihadist activities in Europe but everywhere else ‘it’s complicated’?
- Phil, unfortunately there is no sure way to prevent Islamic radicalisation.
This much I know. I also know that despite calls to do so there is no way of removing Islam from Europe or anywhere else. So what do we do? Do we marginalise Muslims further and drive them into the hands of the radicals or do we treat the good ones as fellow Europeans and work with them to remove the radicals?
- Most countries in the world with a sizable muslim population suffer from Islamic terrorism in some form. Just look at Nigeria, Somalia, Mali, India, Chechnya. That’s to say nothing of the actual Muslim world where there are constant Sunni Shiite tensions.
The fact is that where ever there is a large population of Muslims, sooner or later there is Islamic terrorism. Welcome to the new Europe.
There has always been terrorism in some form or another in Europe for a multitude of reasons. The IRA, Ordine Nuovo, Bader Action directe, Baader-Meinhof.
- There are huge and complex issues at play everywhere. So why is ‘allowing radicalization’ the nice simple explanation for jihadist activities in Europe but everywhere else ‘it’s complicated’?
What? Are you even paying attention to what I have said here? I have never said there was a simple explanation for Islamic radicialisation in Europe. Not once. I’ve said there are complex issues at play, there a multitude of reasons why a lot of it stems from areas like Molenbeek and not from other areas with larger Muslim populations. Please don’t put words in my mouth.
“Do we marginalise Muslims further and drive them into the hands of the radicals or do we treat the good ones as fellow Europeans and work with them to remove the radicals?”
The so called “good muslims” don’t as a rule report the terrorists in their midst to the authorities. That is a major problem. For instance 60% of Pakistani muslims “aren’t sure” if ISIS are a good or a bad thing. We’re not going to get much help from Muslims in fighting Islamic terrorism I’m afraid.
“There has always been terrorism in some form or another in Europe for a multitude of reasons. The IRA, Ordine Nuovo, Bader Action directe, Baader-Meinhof.”
I’m not an expert on all those groups but I do know that the major difference between the IRA (or other politically motivated paramilitary group) and Islamist extremists is that the former had certain identifiable goals that could in theory be met by the British government. And eventually most of their demands were met.
That is not the case with Islamist terrorism. The Islamists want nothing less than the complete overthrow of western democracy and the destruction of the western way of life. They simply cannot be negotiated with, and they will ever go away as long as Islam exists. They represent a far more pernicious and durable form of terrorism than Europe has ever seen before.
- “The so called “good muslims” don’t as a rule report the terrorists in their midst to the authorities.”
There are an estimated ~19m muslims living in the EU (2.3% of the entire population. A tiny fraction of them are terrorists. The idea of collective punishment on millions of people, based solely on their religion, for the actions of a tiny few is abhorrent.
- ” For instance 60% of Pakistani muslims “aren’t sure” if ISIS are a good or a bad thing.”
Pakistani Muslims where? In Pakistan? A country which is hardly a bastion of stability… hugely complex reasons for that too.
- That is not the case with Islamist terrorism. The Islamists want nothing less than the complete overthrow of western democracy and the destruction of the western way of life. They simply cannot be negotiated with, and they will ever go away as long as Islam exists. They represent a far more pernicious and durable form of terrorism than Europe has ever seen before.
I don’t disagree with you. Which is why I am saying that we need to be very careful not to inflame the situation further by treating all Muslims in Europe like second class citizens. They aren’t going away and so we must not make things worse.
“There are an estimated ~19m muslims living in the EU (2.3% of the entire population. A tiny fraction of them are terrorists. The idea of collective punishment on millions of people, based solely on their religion, for the actions of a tiny few is abhorrent.”
I don’t believe in collective “punishment” but I do think that continued Muslim immigration is only exacerbating the current problem and storing up trouble for the future. Therefor there may need to be steps taken that do affect all Muslims, in order to ensure the security of all people in Europe, (including the peaceful Muslims).
I think perhaps Muslims in Europe may need to submit themselves to enhanced surveillance measures. It is simply the case that with limited resources available for intelligence gathering it is hardly logical to spend the same amount of time checking up on say, an elderly French woman as on say a French Muslim youth.
While it is true that only a tiny fraction of Muslims are terrorists, a sizable fraction still support terrorism and may more are ambivalent.
“In a 2007 Pew Research poll in response to a question on whether suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified,[29] in Europe:
(36 vs 64) 64% of Muslims in France believed it could never be justified, 19% believed it could be justified rarely, 10% sometimes, and 6% thought it could be justified often.
(30 vs 70) 70% of Muslims in Britain believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 12% sometimes, and 3% thought it could be justified often.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism”
I don’t find it heartening that 64% of Muslims in France think that terrorism can never be justified, not when that means that about 36% think it can be justified at least occasionally. That to my mind is too many.
Europe needs to far more careful about who it allows to enter the continent than it has been up to now. And it needs to keep a far closer eye on many who are already here. It’s the only chance to stop continued terrorist attacks.
“I don’t find it heartening that 64% of Muslims in France think that terrorism can never be justified, not when that means that about 36% think it can be justified at least occasionally. That to my mind is too many.”
I think you’d fine quite a few Nationalists and Loyalists in Northern Ireland who think terrorism can be justified at least occasionally.
Islam is a disease
Islam is a religion.
Radical Islam is a problem.
Statements like “Islam is a disease” are inflammatory to all followers of Islam, radical or otherwise, and will push normal followers further towards the radicals.
Hey Phil the Catholic Church has been called all sorts of names but I don’t see any Catholics strapping on suicide vests?.
Catholicism is fair game but it seems Islam is immune although the practices of many Muslims should be deemed anathema to any civilised society. the hypocrisy of the apologetic regressive left can be head scratching at times.
- William
We’re not taking about Catholicism here so why the hell bring it up? A classic example of whatabouterly if ever there was one. However, there have been countless religious wars in Europe’s past. That much is undeniable. We have have moved on now, thankfully, but they did happen.
Closer to today there are examples of Christians killing as a result of their belief that their faith compels them to do so: Dr. George Tiller’s murder. Barnett Slepian’s murder, The murder of John Britton and James Barrett. Their killer was associated with the Army of God. Another member of that group, Eric Rudolph, carried out a bombing at the Olympics in Atlanta in 1996.
Finally, in the same way that come Christians are a$$holes so are some Muslims, but in both cases it’s not acceptable or beneficial to tar all followers of either with the same brush.
Why is there no article on the journal about the murder of the Palestinian by an IDF soldier yesterday? It is all over the internet, horrific video of a summary execution in cold blood…
Because they weren’t European
Murder you say? An Israeli court will surely prosecute then.
Yeah right, like they prosecuted that IDF commander for riddling the 13 year old, unarmed girl with bullets…
It would be racist to say this anything to do with Islam. That is the most important thing to remember here:
http://ardevine.blogspot.ie/2016/03/so-i-hear-youre-racist-now.html?m=1
I’m in full agreement with that Blog AR, I consider myself extremely Liberal so it makes me cringe when people who claim to be Liberal will defend Muslims and Islam like rabid dogs although many practices of the Islamic religion should have these regressives roaring from the stalls in condemnation?.
Haha very good. So true. There are a lot of us excommunicated types out there.
There are plenty of cells and that’s exactly how those in the west that are profitting from “terrorism” since nine/eleven/two thousand & 1 want it to be! How many times over the last few years have we heard after a spectacular that the “suspects” were known to secret agencies and not only that but allies had specifically tipped off countries regarding certain people well in advance. Imagine how quickly you or I would be picked up or have our travel movements/freedom taken away if we moved around and behaved like the “terrorists” we are constantly being shown on the “news”! How are these people able to visit the countries they trained in and still be able to fly wherever they like, “apparently” under the radar of secret agencies if they’re known criminals, known terrorists, regularly meeting with and communicating with known criminals and terrorists and certain countries have pre-warned other countries weeks and months before they attack? HOW? It’s simply because these patsies serve a highly valuable agenda to a certain few and keep certain industries alive that’s how!
This all began when the united stasi of america with their profit driven sociopathic war criminal friend Tony Blair and others (Sarkozy, Merkel and more) went into Afghanistan to “avenge” the SAUDI “terrorists” flying planes into the twin towers which the US secret agencies had prior warning was going to happen! ;)
When they started pounding Afghanistan with what ended up being hundreds of thousands of tonnes of bombs and wiping out whole lineages of innocent families they illegally went after Saddams “WMD’s” (Blair recently admitted they knew Saddam hadn’t any weapons of mass destruction at all!) and tore Iraq apart for more profit. To date over 2,000,000 (that’s two million!) mostly innocent men, women and children have been murdered in Iraq and Afghanistan, to fight terror! I dare you to repeat that sentence and tell me you wouldn’t fight back if you lived in either of those 2 Countries, just look at what happened here in Ireland over the imperical Engligh army invasion, Bloody Sunday and the likes, now put yourself in the shoes of those living in the Middle East! Now a days they can’t even see their attackers as the US are wiping out innocents from far far away with unmanned drones controlled from within steel containers thousands of miles away in the Nevada desert!
While this was going on Blackwater rose to the top of the private mercinary “army” industry causing as many tragedys as was needed to convince those sitting comfortably back in Washington that private contractors were the way to go to limit liability to the western governments over future loss of life and atrocities committed during the illegal wars that were being waged by and profited on by a select few war mongering b4$t4rd$ worldwide. For an indepth look at what happened in the run up to and after 9/11 check out – Blackwater, the rise of the worlds most powerful mercenary army. I already knew about 85% of the info contained in the book but the timelines involved and the breakdown of who did what, when and to who to further their carreers and profit handsomly from the illegal wars would make you sick!
Right now, the founder and former CEO of Blackwater Erik Prince, a deluded and extremely dangerous right wing christian fundamentalist is in deep trouble and being dragged through the courts for the dodgy dealings and the rest he got up to from 2003 onwards!! google it, it’s important to know how few people are really stirring all this up and who they’re connected to.
THERE’S NOT MUCH HAPPENING GLOBALLY THAT ISN’T PRETTY MUCH PRE-PLANNED AND APPROVED IN THE INTEREST OF THE SELECT FEW TO KEEP YOU AND I AFRAID SO THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE THEIR WAR ON TERROR, FOREVER!! ;)
welcome to 1981
What?
if you can’t understand what i’ve clearly broken down for you above then just move on. with your one word reply I can only deduce you’ve obviously got no clue as to what is actually going on
Sorry, my tinfoil hat got in the way.
I see the truth now, WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
the conspiracy theory retort was started by the CIA to dismiss anybody that doesn’t swallow and tow the government line, back to sheep is right, baaaaaaaaa
never mind that there’s a world of proof out there from the past regarding the use of patsies/false flags and black ops to (fund agendas) suit the US national interest
for proof google the contras, google increased poppy/heroin production in Afghanistan since the beginning of the war on terror, google nixons advisor recently admitting the whole 45 year war on drugs was a lie and used to try destroy the anti-war left and black people, google US led coups…
Sure, sure. Cool story, Bro.
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Phil Blanc, it’s admirable on your part that you want to put across your point of view and your experiences of the Islamic community on here, it’s always good to have a balanced debate, however there is no defending a community that really have no interest in integrating in Irish or European society, have you by any chance seen the latest over the counter material containing t.a.p.t, that they are using in their bombs, it is a volatile highly explosive peroxide based substance used to inflict maximum damage and suffering?, I for one would only be thinking of my own children and their safety in the Europe that’s unfolding before our eyes!
- however there is no defending a community that really have no interest in integrating in Irish or European society
I get your point here, but I disagree.
Integration is fine. It’s something I have benefited from greatly. But so is peaceful coexistence. Some communities just want to keep themselves to themselves for whatever reason and with the presumption that the rule of law is upheld by both (and reasonable accomodation of beliefs and traditions are taken into account – the London Met allowing Sikh officers to wear their Turbans, for example) I’m fine with that.
The value of a free and democratic society is that we get to choose how we live our lives.
That problem is radicalisation which seems to harm us. That is a problem and we need to be careful that in an effort to combat it we don’t make things worse. Certainly a lot of the inflammatory language here would do that. I don’t believe that will help anyone.
Some communities want to keep to themselves, that’s absolutely fine to the mind of most reasonable people, the problem is when there is a veil of secrecy and mistrust!, and it is absolutely not fine when their loyalties lie with Mohammed and a Holy war and not with the community and the ordinary person that they have grown up amongst!
@ Phil – everything I’ve said above is true and factual, I defy you to call me out on any of it!!
you’re exactly the type of apathetic sheeple that has caused undue suffering to the rest of us, millions went out onto the streets back in the early 2000′s demanding governments not go to war but because the majority were too busy or didn’t give enough of a shit to get out onto the streets the illegal and immoral war on terror has done exactly what sane people were warning about and that’s it’s only created more terror, those making the decisions to go into this never ending war knew this and to them it makes perfect sense, financial sense, what’s unfolding now is the fruits of your apathy
You see Phil Blanc, all I’m really trying to say is I’m worried for my children, I’m fearful for my children and all the children of Europe!, what about them??, what is their future in a Europe held prisoner by Islam or any other radical organisation??? C
- Some communities want to keep to themselves, that’s absolutely fine to the mind of most reasonable people, the problem is when there is a veil of secrecy and mistrust!, and it is absolutely not fine when their loyalties lie with Mohammed and a Holy war and not with the community and the ordinary person that they have grown up amongst!
I’m not saying it is. Their priorities can lie with the Derek Davis for all I care so long as they don’t harm me.
Not all Muslims, integrated or not, are interested in a Holy War and those who are do as much damage to Islam and Muslims as they do to everyone else. But collectively treating all Muslims are a problem won’t do anything but make the situation worse.
- you’re exactly the type of apathetic sheeple
Blah, blah, blah.
That’s a poor attempt!
A poor attempt at what?
A poor attempt in response!
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