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A NUMBER OF people have been killed and several others injured in explosions at Brussels Airport and at a Metro station in the city.
Footage from the scene shows people running away from the building in the moments afterwards.
France Info reports Minister-President of the Brussels-Capital Region Rudi Vervoort also confirmed the explosion, but gave no information about the suspected cause. The Belgian government has now raised the country’s terror alert to its highest level.
Sky News reporter Alex Rossi was in the airport at the time of the blasts. He said he could feel the building move.
“There was also dust and smoke as well.”
There is a great deal of confusion here. Certainly there are a number of very upset, as you might imagine, very frightened people.
The Department of Foreign Affairs here will issue updates later this morning on whether any Irish travellers have been caught up in the incident.
The airport is being evacuated and no flights are being allowed to land or depart.
Aer Lingus is offering free changes and refunds to passengers due to travel to Brussels today and tomorrow:
There are reports of another explosion at Maalbeek Metro station. All Metro stations in the city have been closed until further notice.
Belgium’s Prime Minister has commented on the events of this morning:
We are following the situation minute by minute. The absolute priority is the victims and the people at Brussels Airport.
Several injuries are being reported after the explosion at Maalbeek Metro station:
Footage has emerged of the scene outside the Metro station following the blast:
All flights are being diverted away from Brussels Airport until further notice.
Passengers at Maalbeek Metro station are being evacuated:
If you know someone in Brussels and are concerned for their welfare, here is the number to call:
This was the scene at the departures hall at Brussels Airport following the explosions this morning:
It is reported they occurred near an American Airlines check-in desk.
Some reaction from Irish MEP Luke Ming Flanagan, who is in Brussels:
The Taoiseach has said the people of Ireland stand with Belgium as Europe once again comes under attack:
At least 13 are dead and a further 35 injured in the Brussels airport blasts, according to Belgian media.
Sky News also reports 10 people are feared dead in the Metro station explosion in Maalbeek.
An Irish student who was in Zaventem airport at the time of the blasts has said there was a stampede of people attempting to flee the area.
Luke Mac an Bháird, who is currently on an Erasmus in the city, said he was waiting at his gate when the explosions took place.
“I had headphones on and didn’t hear the explosion myself,” he told The Anton Savage Show on Today FM, describing how there was suddenly “a mass of people running to the bottom of their gates, people saying a second bomb was going to explode.”
He said officials moved the passengers to safety on the runway, although along the way “people started screaming, saying to run again, and there was a bit of a stampede”.
Mac an Bháird said they were now awaiting instructions from officials as to where they would be taken next.
EU staff have been told to remain indoors or at home:
AFP is reporting security measures have been reinforced at Paris’ Charles De Gaulle airport.
Dutch counter-terrorism officials have also said they are security at national airports and tightening controls on the southern border with Belgium.
Irish MEP Luke Ming Flanagan has been in contact with us – he says the European Parliament is still open but with increased security. He had planned to fly home tomorrow butservice has been cancelled, he says.
A staff member of his was due in this morning but has been diverted to Liege Airport. Only certain committees were due to meet at the parliament this week, Flanagan says. He’s in the city for an economic committee meeting for the next two days.
Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade, Charlie Flanagan TD expressed his shock at this morning’s explosions:
I am horrified by reports of multiple explosions in Brussels, Belgium and my thoughts are with those affected. The consular section of my department, in conjunction with our Embassy in Belgium, are working with the local authorities.
Anyone with concerns for family and friends can contact the consular division of the Department on +353 1 418 0200.
Any Irish citizens in Brussels or Belgium should exercise caution and closely follow the instructions of local authorities. We will be updating our guidance in consultation with the authorities as this situation unfolds.
Brussels is on lockdown at the moment. Bus and train services have been suspended until further notice, including Eurostar trains in and out of the city.
Phone service providers in Belgium are reporting high levels of calls, as people try to reach their loved ones:
The Metro station that was targeted is just a short walk away from the European Commission headquarters.
Some more images from inside the airport show the destruction caused by the blast in the departure hall:
American Airlines have said all employees were accounted for after the explosion, which reportedly occurred near the airline’s check-in desk:
Ireland’s Department of Foreign Affairs has updated its travel advice for anyone due to head to Brussels in the coming days:
The country’s Prime Minister has advised citizens in Brussels to avoid movement around the city. A crisis call centre has been established.
Local media are reporting that the border between France and Belgium has been closed.
Irish student Luke Mac an Bháird, who spoke to Today FM earlier, has just been talking to Sean O’Rourke on RTÉ Radio 1.
Luke, who was in the airport at the time of the blasts, has said there was a stampede of people attempting to flee the area in the wake of the explosions.
He said buses are now arriving at the airport to take people away from the scene, but that passengers have been given no information on what’s happening.
He’s not sure whether the buses are taking people back into the city or to another location, he said.
Staff are giving out water to the lines of people waiting for the buses, Luke added.
Facebook has set up a ‘Safety Check’ system for people in Brussels to let friends and family know they are safe.
Dublin MEP Brian Hayes has just been speaking with Sean O’Rourke.
He says he took the Metro into work at 8am and arrived inthe Parliament at 8.30am.
Politicians and staff in the institution were “really shocked” in the wake of the blasts he said.
They have been told to stay indoors by police “and that’s the story right across the EU institutions” Hayes added.
He was in parliament for an economic committee meeting at 9am, he said. That was suspended for a short time but then recommenced, as politicians were determined their work would continue, according to Hayes.
Belgian firefighters have said at least 21 people were killed in the blasts.
Pierre Meys, spokesman for the Brussels fire brigade, told AFP that 11 people died in twin blasts at Brussels airport.
There were also “around 10 killed at the Maalbeek metro station where there was an enormous explosion,” he said.
“Most of the wounded have been evacuated. The scene is rather chaotic,” he said.
The toll at the airport was “initial,” he said.
“A false ceiling collapsed with lots of rubble and so there could still be more victims,” Meys added.
Local broadcasters report the country’s federal prosecutor confirmed the explosions at Brussels Airport were carried out by a suicide bomber.
The European Union needs to deal together with this fighting and the trafficking of arms. The President (Hollande) is determined as is everyone else to defeat terrorism. All our police will deal with situation as professionally as possible and they will undertake their duties with the terror levels at the most elevated state.
France is to deploy an extra 1,600 police at its borders.
Irishman Eoin Walsh, who has also been speaking with RTE’s Sean O’Rourke this morning, said he left the Maalbeek Metro station just minutes before this morning’s explosion.
He had just dropped his daughter at the creche before getting on the Metro system, and said he felt a “sense of unease” about getting on public transport.
Eoin said after he got back to the office “somebody came in and said there’d been another explosion at Maalbeek train station, which is about 500 metres from our office”.
His office building and the entire street are now on lockdown, and security and military are out on the streets, he added.
Authorities and employers have been telling people to “stay indoors,” he said.
“There’s no way of getting home either.”
The Taoiseach has said the government is not aware of any Irish citizens killed or injured in the explosions in Brussels but “one can’t be certain yet”:
German airports, like those in France and the Netherlands, have heightened security at airports:
Belgian Prime Minister Charles Michel has said: “What we feared has happened, we were hit by blind attacks”.
Speaking to reporters, he said there were “many dead, many seriously injured”.
He also said the city had been hit by two ‘blind, violent, cowardly’ attacks.
We feared a terror attack and it happened.
Belgium security forces tightened security at nuclear plants across the country after deadly attacks in the capital city of Brussels, the Belga news agency said.
“Surveillance is stepped up with added security measures at nuclear plants,” the agency reported.
Vehicles are being checked with police and army on site, according to the agency.
Passengers who were due to travel through the airport in Brussels are still being taken away on buses:
An airport baggage security officer has told AFP he heard a man who “shouted a few words in Arabic” before a huge blast.
He said there was another explosion about two minutes later.
“I helped at least six or seven wounded people. We took out some bodies that were not moving. It was total panic everywhere,” Alphonse Lyoura said.
I saw people lying on the ground covered in blood who were not moving.
This video shows distressed passengers being evacuated from a Metro train after the blast.
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Belgian media are still saying 11 people have died and 35 others were injured at Brussels Airport, though there has been no official confirmation by police.
Transport operators have said a further 15 people were killed at the Metro station in Maalbeek.
#Openhouse is trending in Brussels right now as people use it to advertise places to stay in the city:
EU flags outside the European Commission building in Brussels are at half mast now in tribute to the victims of the terror attack:
Paris’ mayor Anne Hildago has also said the Eiffel Tower will be lit up in the colours of the Belgian flag as a mark of solidarity.
A Belgian TV station has posted an appeal online asking people living near the airport to bring blankets, water, food and other supplies to a nearby gym being used as a makeshift shelter.
St Pierre hospital, which is treating the victims, is also asking for blood donations:
We now believe that many European Commission buildings in the area close to Maalbeek metro station are on heightened alert.
Meetings have been cancelled, visitors barred from the building, garages closed and staff told to stay at home or in their offices.
French Prime Minister Francois Hollande has has said “the whole of Europe has been hit” today.
In a media conference, he urged the continent to take ”vital steps in the face of the seriousness of the threat”.
France, which was itself attacked in January and November last year, is fully engaged in that. France will implacably continue the fight against terrorism, both on the international level and at home.”
Separately, there are now reports that a suspicious package was found at a train station in Amsterdam:
Just a reminder for anyone who has concerns about an Irish citizen in Brussels, here’s how you can get in touch with the Department of Foreign Affairs’ consular division:
As we get to mid-day, here’s a recap of what we know so far.
In a show of solidarity, the Eiffel Tower will tonight carry Belgium’s national colours, Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo has said.
“Once more it is basic values that are attacked: freedom, humanism, tolerance and unshakeable commitment to democracy.”
Donald Trump has had his say. He says that if the attacks seen in Brussels had happened in the US, he would close the US borders.
Speaking to Fox News, the front-runner for the Republican party nomination for US President said the US has to be “very, very vigilant”.
“Brussels was an absolutely crime-free city, one of the most beautiful cities in the world.
“Paris is almost as bad.
“Paris is no longer the beautiful city of lights…They’re cities in fear.
“You see what’s happening in London and other cities. It’s not pretty to watch. Many cities will be this way with what’s taking place.”
The aftermath of the attack is seen here in the blown out windows of Zaventem Airport.
A number of photos emerging from Brussels capture the reality of the attacks on the ground.
The airports of London and Paris are predictably busy this afternoon, while the radar shows Brussels Airport has been closed.
The Irish President Michael D Higgins has expressed his sympathy to those in Belgium, saying he has conveyed those sympathies to Belgian King Philippe .
“These attacks strike at the fundamental right of all to live in peace,” he said.
Belgium’s Foreign Minister Didier Reynders says authorities fear that suspects involved in the deadly attacks could still be at large.
“The inquiry is still ongoing… because we fear that people are still at large,” Reynders told RTBF television after a news briefing in the Belgian capital.
Some reports indicate that the death toll may be as high as 34, but nothing has been officially confirmed.
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says Canada “stands with the EU”.
Justice Minister Frances Fitzgerald says the explosions are “another dreadful reminder of the savagery of terrorists who hold our values and democracy itself in deadly contempt”.
She says that there is “no specific information” about a threat to Ireland.
“As a country with the same values as our European partners, we are not immune. That threat level is, of course, kept under review and will continue to be particularly in the light of today’s terrible events. And we have to bear in mind too that an attack on our European neighbours is an attack on us all.
“The Government is determined that all necessary steps will continue to be taken to counteract this threat and will play its full part in doing so with its international partners.”
Reports from AFP state that Belgian authorities are to detonate suspect package at Brussels airport. Meanwhile, Reuters reports:
AFP reports that an army team has blown up a suspect package at Brussels airport.
The news agency reports that police found an unexploded suicide vest at the airport.
Belgium’s Crisis Centre said army explosives experts would neutralise a suspicious package at Zaventem airport. AFP reports that an explosion was heard shortly afterwards and smoke was seen coming up from the departures hall building.
Pope Francis has slammed the ‘blind violence’ of the coordinated explosions in Brussels. He has offered prayers for the victims.
“Pope Francis entrusts to God’s mercy those killed, and shares through prayer the suffering of their relatives,” the Vatican’s Secretary of State Pietro Parolin said in a telegram to Jozef De Kesel, the archbishop of Mechelen-Brussels.
“The Holy Father once again condemns the blind violence which causes so much suffering and, imploring the gift of peace from God, invokes divine blessings on the bereaved families and the Belgian people,” the telegram said.
Francis expressed his “deepest sympathy to the injured and their families, and all those who contribute to relief”.
According to AFP, the mayor of Brussels has said that around 20 people have died and 106 have been injured in the attack on Maalbeek Metro Station.
Belgium’s terror alert is now at its highest level. There is a massive security presence on the streets of Brussels.
Here are some images captured today. (Images: Press Association)
People are offering free shelter to travellers in Belgium using with the hashtags #OpenHouse and #PorteOuvert.
Read more about the kindness of strangers in Brussels here.
Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade, Charlie Flanagan has said that at this point, there are no reports that any Irish people have been injured in the attacks.
Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade, Charlie Flanagan said the Dáil observed a minute’s silence in response to the horrific terrorist attack this morning.
I echo the words of the Taoiseach in saying that Ireland stands with the people of Belgium against terrorism.
He said he had briefed Cabinet this morning on the emerging situation and said ministers are working closely to deal with the fall-out from the heinous attack.
The Irish Embassy in Brussels is actively liaising with the Belgian authorities as they work to identify those who were affected by these attacks.
The Irish Ambassador to Belgium, Mr Eamonn Mac Aodha, is monitoring the situation on the ground and is in touch with the relevant authorities, including the Belgian National Emergency Centre, and is providing me with regular updates on the situation.
Ambassador Mac Aodha has informed me that the large number of Irish staff working at the Permanent Representation, the Embassy and the various State agencies, and their loved ones, are all accounted for.
The Department of Foreign Affairs Consular Division has been responding to calls from the public since 7am this morning.
Minister Charlie Flanagan has reiterated the department’s advice that Irish citizens should exercise extreme caution if in Belgium. Further advice can be found on the department’s website.
Anyone concerned for the welfare of an Irish citizen in Brussels can contact the department at +353 1 418 0200.
US President Barack Obama has made a statement on the attacks in Brussels.
Speaking in Havana, Cuba, he said the thoughts and prayers of the American people were with those in Brussels today. He said they stand in solidarity with those in Belgium.
Obama said they will do whatever they can to bring to those responsible for the attacks to justice.
“The world must unite,” he said.
He said everyone must stand together regardless of nationality, race or faith.
We can and will defeat those who threaten the safety and security of those around the world.
The Department of An Taoiseach has released a statement of behalf of the Irish government.
It addresses the issue of whether Irish people should be concerned about Ireland being a target for such attacks.
It states that while there is no specific information in relation to any threat to Ireland from international terrorism, Ireland cannot consider itself immune from the threat.
It remains the case that an attack here is assessed as possible but not likely.
The level of threat is kept under constant review by the gardaí.
For obvious security reasons, we could not go into the details of the operational responses. All the agencies here co-operate closely in respect of any threats that are identified.
The activities of a small number of people based here and whose behaviour may be of concern will continue to be monitored closely.
It adds that there is an “international problem” and gardaí co-operate very closely with its EU and other international security and intelligence counterparts on an ongoing basis in responding to these threats.
The full government statement can be read here:
The Belgian flag is flying half-mast over the embassy in Dublin.
The flag has also been raised over Downing Street in London.
Meanwhile, the European and the Belgian flag is also flying half staff in front of the Belgium Embassy in Berlin.
Witnesses of the Brussels airport attack describe hearing “a big bang,” smoke and shattered glass shortly after the bomb exploded. (Video: Associated Press)
The attacks in Brussels has brought transport links to a standstill today.
Brussels-Zaventem international airport is closed until 5am (GMT) Wednesday.
The Eurostar is assessing whether to reinstate some services this afternoon.
Belgium’s neighbours France, Germany and the Netherlands reacted swiftly to the attacks in Brussels today.
A number of emergency security measures have been introduced, according to AFP:
France:
Germany:
The Netherlands:
London Gatwick, Frankfurt and Moscow airports has also raised security. Meanwhile across the Atlantic, police in New York said they were positioning counter-terrorism reinforcements to crowded areas and train stations “out of an abundance of caution”.
In Washington DC, canine sweeps and patrols and patrols were stepped up, also as a precaution.
Sky News reports that Islamic State has claimed responsibility for the bombings in Belgium today.
The report is based upon a statement issued to a media agency close to the group.
Brussels Crisis Centre has issued an update on the situation.
It states that the final number of victims is currently not final. Provisional figures are:
CCTV footage of the alleged attackers has been released.
Associated Press reports that the Islamic State group claimed responsibility for the attacks in Brussels, saying its extremists opened fire in the airport and “several of them” detonated suicide belts.
The posting in the group’s Amaq news agency said another suicide attacker detonated in the metro.
The posting claimed the attack was in response to Belgium’s support of the international coalition arrayed against it.
People can start moving around Brussels once more after being told to stay in place for hours after the bombing attacks this morning.
Peter Mertens of the Belgian Crisis Centre says “the threat is still real and serious” of more attacks.
Many measures enforced this morning are to be eased at 4pm today.
Air traffic at Brussels’ Zaventem airport will remains closed for the day.
AFP reports that Belgian authorities have published surveillance camera images (below) of three suspects in the attack on Brussels airport.
The grainy picture, which Belga news agency said was released by Belgian police at the request of the federal prosecutor, shows three men pushing trollies with suitcases past the check-in area.
Two have dark hair and one is wearing a hat.
There has been an outpouring of emotion on the streets of Brussels today.
People have been writing solidarity messages in chalk outside the stock exchange in the city today.
AP have just tweeted that a third bomb has been deactivated at Brussels Airport.
While transport measured put in place this morning in the Belgian capital are set to be eased by 4pm, Brussels airport will remain closed until Wednesday, officials have said.
Here is everything that we know so far about today’s horror attacks in Brussels.
During the Charlie Hebdo attacks in January 2015 a number of cartoons circulated on social media in the immediate aftermath in an act of defiance against the attackers.
There has been a similar response to today’s attacks in Brussels.
One of the most widely shared images has come from Le Monde cartoonist Plantu:
The image of a french fry (a culinary specialty that originated in Belgium) giving the middle finger has also been widely shared.
The Twitter page for French music festival Esperanzah! has also changed its profile picture to a child statue peeing on the fuse of a bomb with the caption ‘Pis & Love’.
Speaking on Sky News a few moments ago Minister-President of Flanders Geert Bourgeois said that he thought a further attack was a possibility.
Responding to a question from host Kay Burley about Belgian PM Charles Michel saying he thought a third attack a possibility, Bourgeois said:
Yes, unfortunately it is true. We cannot say that everybody has absolute safety.
He also said that officials were doing all that they could at the moment to assure the Belgian people.
“We should not abandon against these people, these terrorists,” he said.
We should not do it. They want to destroy our society and we should not let them this victory.
A book of condolences will be opened at the Embassy of Belgium in Dublin.
Members of the public will be able to sign the book in Ballsbridge tomorrow and Thursday between 12pm and 3pm.
Further details can be found on the Embassy’s Facebook page here.
Financial Times Brussels bureau chief Peter Spiegel has tweeted that no EU Commission staff have been killed in the attacks.
He has also said that two to three have been injured, including burns to a pregnant woman.
According to Google Maps, the distance between the Maalbeek Metro station and the the Berlaymont building – the headquarters of the European Commission – is just a four minute walk.
BREAKING:
Raids are underway across Belgium, AFP are reporting.
Two of those involved in today’s attack were believed to have been suicide bombers while prosecutors have said they are looking for a third man in pictured in CCTV footage.
The man pictured in the hat is still believed to be at large, France 24 is reporting.
Earlier this week, Belgian police arrested Salah Abdeslam in Brussels.
Abdeslam is suspected of being a key planner in the 13 November attacks in Paris that left 130 people dead.
There has been much speculation today that Abdeslam’s arrest may have hastened any potential terror attack that was planned for Brussels, leading to today’s tragedy.
Addressing those questions, a Begian prosecutor has said that it is “too early” to make links with the Paris attacks.
During follow up searches in Brussels this evening, Belgian police have found an Islamic State flag and a nail bomb.
The Belgian government has announced that the government will observe three days of national mourning:
Belgium’s King Philippe has addressed the nation in the wake of the attacks.
Speaking this evening, he said that the nation “must continue to respond firmly in a calm and dignified manner”.
More details on that bomb find in Brussels. AFP reports that a federal prosecutor says chemicals were also found during the searches
“The searches that took place in the Schaerbeek (district) found an explosive device containing among other things nails,” the federal prosecutor said in a statement.
Investigators also discovered chemicals and a flag of the Islamic State.
Landmarks across Europe are being lit up in the colours of the Belgian flag following today’s attacks. Here’s the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin:
Chancellor Angela Merkel has said that Germany will help to “find, arrest and punish” the perpetrators.
“The horror is as boundless as the determination to defeat terrorism,” Merkel said.
The murderers of Brussels are terrorists without any regard for the principles of humanity… The perpetrators are enemies of all values for which Europe stands today.
Belgian police are looking for this man. He was standing to the right of the two men who were spotted on CCTV in Brussels Airport before this morning’s blasts.
A unexploded explosive vest was found earlier today in Zaventum Airport in the hours after the attack.
Solidarité.
There’s a vigil being held in the centre of Belgium’s capital tonight.
ABC News reports that an X-ray taken of a patient’s chest at the Military Hospital in Neder-over-Heembeek revealed a large nail or screw puncturing a lung.
No details about the patient’s current condition have been made available. The photo was released by the European Pressphoto Agency.
The White House has released an image of President Obama receiving an update on today’s terrorist attack while in Havana, Cuba.
Later, Obama attended a baseball game in Cuba – a planned event to show unity between the two strained nations.
He defended the decision to no cancel his appearance, telling ESPN that it was always a challenge to carry on as normal after a terror attack.
You want to be respectful and understand the gravity of the situation… But the whole premise of terrorism is to try to disrupt people’s ordinary lives.
Mentioning Boston’s response to the marathon bombings, he said those moments were some of his proudest during his two-term office.
Zaventem Mayor Francis Vermeiren has said that the bombs which detonated at Brussels airport were hidden in the luggage the bombers wheeled on front of them.
In a new column published after today’s attacks, security analyst Tom Clonan outlines how what happened in Brussels is straight out of the Islamic State playbook:
The Paris attacks also demonstrated a step change in the level of capability on the part of the perpetrators. The individual attacks were unhurried and involved the deliberate and coordinated exploitation of firepower.
The intention was to generate a mass casualty incident among innocent civilians in an unprotected, unsecured and congregated setting.
In other words, ‘soft targets’ were selected.
Belgium’s interior minister says authorities knew that some kind of extremist act was being prepared in Europe but that they were surprised by the scale of the attacks in Brussels.
Interior Minister Jan Jambon said that,
it was always possible that more attacks could happen but we never could have imagined something of this scale.
More details on the suspect Belgian police are looking for:
The CCTV picture released shows a bespectacled man with a goatee beard, wearing a white jacket and black hat, pushing a trolley with a large black bag.
Police say they are actively seeking him and believe he may have fled and run away.
A wider picture shows the man pictured alongside two other men who police have said are “very likely” to have committed a suicide attack at the airport.
Huge crowds are attending a vigil in Brussels in honour of the victims of today’s attacks.
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Could someone from the AAA please enlighten us as to where Socialism has ever worked?
@Fergus Sheahan: It worked for Chavez’s family and close friends. Is that the kind of answer you were looking for?
@Libertarian Ireland:
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others…
@Fergus Sheahan: you mean the AAA’s brand of socialism aka populist socialism
As aspects of socialism can work well together in balance with capitalism e.g. Social welfare system; Norwegian tax system etc
@Vic’s Burd: Ireland has a balance between socialism and capitalism.
@Fergus Sheahan: Vietnam’s the only country I know of.
@Avina Laaf:
Well, thats old news. Identity politics (the kind that hates on white men) will decide who gets what in the new order.
Its time for a stimulus for the helicopter industry,
Join us
Maduro and his predecessor Chavez are darlings of the Left, lionised by our own President. Since the election of Chavez, Venezuela has become a basket-case economy – and coincidentally Chavez’s daughter has become the wealthiest woman in the country (although she prefers to enjoy her ill-gotten gains in Switzerland, far from the squalor that her father created).
Chavez, Maduro and Socialism have destroyed Venezuela, just as Socialism had destroyed
@Brian Lenehan:
Ami Horowitz… https://youtu.be/A0ON0xUMawg
Socialism always leads to poverty.
Yes the people of Norway and Sweden are so poor
@Ibhar Mac Suibhne:
Yes Sweden, such a harmonious society of late, probably the most refugee welcoming, Islam friendly society in Europe… That was recently stuck with Islamic terror… https://www.google.ie/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN0SG0I220151022
@Ibhar Mac Suibhne:
Swedes forced go to Finland for medical care due to overcrowding… https://www.thelocal.se/20161229/swedes-forced-to-go-to-finland-to-give-birth-due-to-overcrowding?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
@Ibhar Mac Suibhne:
Norway?? Norway is a oil rich, stand alone nation, the country is currently being run by a centrist led political party, before that, it was a conservative led minority government.
@Brian Lenehan: That’s a totally false you’re making Venezuela sound like a modern European state pre Chavez. Inflation was double before was Chavez was elected and Venezuela had numerous severe banking crises only a few years before him. Poverty was far worse as was illiteracy. Economical troubles because of low revenue due to falling oil prices were around before him too.
It is largely because he never moved Venezuela off oil which is a stupid thing to do when you fund your policies with it. Would have been a warning sign to Scotland when it sought independence and made claims based on oil barrel prices which were several times higher than they are now.
Oh yeah, if you google ‘ Hugo Chavez daughter wealth’ you can see the people you got that information off. FoxNews, Breitbart, National Review, Dailymail, etc. are all the top searches
Maduro is quite sinister, however.
@Ibhar Mac Suibhne:
You cannot consider Norway and Sweden in same extreme framework as
Venezuela. Venezuela is based on populist socialism, that our looney lefties here preach, which has clearly destabilised the economy.
In this blog: http://blog.peerform.com/top-ten-most-socialist-countries-in-the-world/
Ireland is regarded, along with Norway and Sweden, as a socialist nation too. We have one of the best welfare systems in the world.
We could model the Norway anti-populist socialist model as the best in the world, but they have their oil to maintain this system.
@Lepanto: The topic of this conversation was socialism I thought?
@Vic’s Burd: I was commenting on Lepantos comment that “socialism always leads to poverty”
And by the way Venezuela has plenty of oil too, its just unlike Venezuela Norway doesn’t have the USA undermining its socialist stance.
@Lepanto: “Swedes forced go to Finland for medical care due to overcrowding…”
Shit happens Lepanto, under the Irish National treatment purchase fund , I was sent by the HSE to the UK for treatment…..what’s your point here?
@Jason Byrne: Let me school you. I’m Irish-Venezuelan. You’ve said that”Inflation was double before was Chavez was elected” This is total BS AAA crap.
Let me tell you in figures you can understand, which is the local currency Bolvar – USD exchange rates. The Bolivar had a very solid and stable exhange rate of Bs 4.30 per USD. This lasted for decades until Black Friday in 1983 when protectionist economic measures backfired fast and started inflation as we know it.
In 1984 it was Bs 13.55 per USD. in 1990 it was Bs 42.65 per USD. in 1999, the year before Chavez came to power was Bs 509 per USD. In 16 years the Bolivar went from Bs 4.30 to Bs 509.
Then in 2007 a new currency was introduced. The Bolivar Fuerte (Strong bolivar) which was the old currency divided by 1000. So in 2007 when the new Bolivar was introduced it was Bs 2150 per USD so it became VEF 2.15 per USD.
Now in 2017, there is no real way to buy currency, the official exchange rate is VEF 9.90 per USD, but its a Micky mouse rate, only a very small numbers of first necessity companies gets access to some of this rate. the day to dasy business and prices are based in the open parallel market which is VEF 4400 per USD. YES, Four Thousand Four Hundred and Forty VEF to $1. which means Bs 4400000 of the old currency. (Over for Millions in case you think I’ve made a typo).
So compare from 4.30 to 509 in 16 years Pre-Chavez and from 509 to 4400000 17 years after. You do the maths.
@Ibhar Mac Suibhne: what always lead’s to poverty is greed, corruption, lies and no accountability which happens to govts left and right depending on the type of individuals involved. Our own government is a good example of this.
@Brian Lenehan:
Utopia is not for this world. Dont believe anyone who tells you it is.
Especially worth reflecting on at Easter time. Che, Chavez, nor Lenin did not die for your sins.
Where’s Waddler
@Chef Harold:
He’ll be along shortly to tell us that the problem isn’t too much socialism, it’s not enough socialism, and that the capitalist elites are somehow preventing Maduro from printing more money to solve all the problems. Or something.
I think he got another account blocked again. Don’t you need a phone number to register. Guess he ran out of phones
Would be interesting to see Boyd Barrett et al attend.
Although it is true that Venezuela is closer to achieving equality than Ireland is, in that everyone is equally poor, starving and at risk of violence.
Yea like Capitalism has really done wonders for the world. I’m sure greed, corruption, outside influences and poor regulation of power, which seem to feature in all political systems, have all contributed to the dreadful goings on in Venezuela, but I do prefer the ideologies of Socialism to Capitalism.
@Aogan Keyes: you can’t eat ideology, Socialism sounds good but it doesn’t work and it never has, human natural works against it, Paul Murphy should pay Caracas a visit
@Aogan Keyes: All isms are bad, there is no system that looks after the people properly, yet we have a nightmare government making rich foreigners even richer and I bet there will be no support marches in Venezuela or any other countries where people want to get themselves hear heard. We really need to worry about the growing problems we have here already. Illegal migrants are sucking this country dry, now if we wealthy enough to provide shelter and food but we were bled by The EU over several years, listened to politicians making cut and cut but people still came here with no welfare systems to claim what they felt entitled to. Migrants are find if they want to contribute but coming here for the freebies is disgraceful but nobody is stopping it. I am not picking on Venezuelan living here but whatever happened EU citizens being granted free movement or was that a joke?
@Aogan Keyes:
I love it, so it’s capitalism’s fault from other countries which is the problem and not socialism itself. You should hook up with Wally to discuss printing money as apparently with Socialism you can simply print as much as you want with no negative impact
@Aogan Keyes:
Capitalism has pulled more people out of poverty than any other economic system, it’s not perfect, none are, but Socialists/Communists think Socialism IS the perfect system.
@Fergus Sheahan: there are different forms of socialism, the populist-socialism that Paul Murphy and his party favours was the same model that Venezuela used.
Ireland is regarded as a socialist nation more than capitalist; with our welfare system and strong constitutional led policies. As is Norway, Finland, Netherlands etc. Like us they are all non-populist socialism with an element of capitalism thrown in.
There has to be a balance.
@Vic’s Burd: everything in moderation works, Paul Murphy is a clown we can all agree on that
@Aogan Keyes: You sir, are overfed on clean capitalist food. I think a spell in the GULAG would increase your love for the state and its forcible redistribution of others property. You can fill your cup will socialist ideology as you labour in the Uranium mines of Siberia.
@Vic’s Burd:
None of those countries are socialist. They allow for the private ownership of capital. They are capitalist, with strong welfare programmes.
And the end game of welfare states is upon us, the generation that is meant to pay for all these benefits are either not born, or languishing in low wage hell.
You always run out of other peoples money in the end.
I’ll put it on my bucket list
@Fergus Sheahan:
Don’t encourage murphy to go globe trotting on the taxpayers expense. He’ll be off like a shot on “fact finding” visits. Sure he’s already been to Egypt to support his Muslim brotherhood detainees on our expense.
This has to be one of most undocumented crisies in the world, children are dying because that socialist dimwitted bus driver maduro is single handidly(along with his cronies) destroying a country that was the richest in South America in 2001 along with his deceased predecessor Chavez. Socialism never works as for that crowd AAA in Ireland they make me physically sick with their utter nonsense.A crying shame considering it has the most oil reserves per capita in the world.
With regards to the passenger on United Airline being physically pulled off the plane and now has a broken nose and has lost some teeth, the slogan for United Airlines was “The Friendly Airline” Really !!! Companies have lost respect for their customers, The only thing that counts is to post a profit every quarter.
Why not protest about the scandal of our homeless people instead? Get our own house in order first and keep the pressure on the FG traitors.
No one representative from Ireland attended today, not on…no AAA, no SF, no FF, no FG and no IDP. Anyone know what any of our political parties stance is on the situation in Venezuela is? #NoMasDictadura
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