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Christina Finn

'It's not fair to tell people waking up in emergency accommodation they have to wait'

Sinn Féin said while the two political parties are figuring out who will govern, crises in housing and health continue.

SINN FÉIN LEADER Gerry Adams is calling around independent TDs from the Anti Austerity Alliance, the Social Democrats, Clare Daly and Mick Wallace to see if they can work together to solve the homeless and housing crisis from the opposition benches.

Sinn Féin’s Peadar Tóibín said while Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil continue their “charade”, Adams is taking an “active role” in contacting independent TDS from the “progressive side of the chamber” to formulate a common plan on how to solve the issue. 

He said while the two political parties are figuring out who will govern, crises in housing and health continue.

“You people in poverty, wait. You people in the housing crisis, wait. You people in health crisis, wait, because our priorities come first, and that’s wrong,” he said.

Yesterday, before the vote for An Taoiseach, Sinn Féin put forward a motion to appoint an Oireachtas committee, similar to the Dáil reform committee, to deal with the ongoing crisis.

“We have been denied the right to move that motion and the Taoiseach, thus far, has declined my request to facilitate this necessary initiative,” said Adams.

Crisis ongoing as talks continue

Tóibín said Sinn Féin were hoping for a positive, non-partisan response from the TDs.

Yesterday Erica Fleming, a young homeless woman who has been living in emergency accommodation for nearly a year with her nine-year-old daughter, Emily, gave a briefing at Leinster House.

Tóibín said strong points were made at the meeting.

“The days of individual parties shunning working together on these issues should be over,” he said.

“We need to make sure that all political parties on the progressive side are working together to solve these issues.”

Sinn Féin’s Louise O’Reilly said:

Want to get on with the job we were elected to do. It’s not right to say to people who elected us to do a job, now you have to wait we haven’t time deal with your mother on a trolley, you have to wait; we haven’t time to deal with the fact that your children are waking up in a bed and breakfast this morning, you have to wait. That’s not fair.

She called on Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil to get on with the job of forming a government, saying “there isn’t a width of a credit card between their policies”.

“It was farcical yesterday to see Fine Fáil and Fine Gael trade and swap insults in the Dáil,” said Tóibín.

He said both parties had allowed their “political agendas supercede the crises going on right around the country”.

Over before it even started: Enda and Micheál’s brief meeting ends with no plans for government>

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:22 PM

    Should ask them about the tramps in the other article. Homeless and able to afford legal costs but not a pack of condoms.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:33 PM

    Paul you are not meant to mention anything critical of homeless people, especially if they are in bad health, have no home and then get pregnant, on top of which they are suing a different council to the one they got homeless in ?????

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:34 PM

    Paul. You just resent people sticking up for themselves.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:37 PM

    Plus another on the way ..why do they feel they’re more important than others and that they should be put on the priority list and to hell with anyone else on the waiting list ..

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:39 PM

    On what basis are you referring to them as tramps? Feel free to criticise actions but the personal attacks do your argument no favours.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:44 PM

    A couple present for homeless in one area, then say to themselves “Sure we’ll just head up to Dublin and present as homless up there and demand to be made a priority” Get a bloody job like the rest of us ffs. Then to make matters worse they bring a Council to court because they weren’t housed quick enough..

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:47 PM

    And Cosmo, homeless for a year, but decided to bring another child into the world, clearly without any ability to support the child, then use that as a medical condition to demand priority. Omg I’m so glad I work 70 hours a week to pay for these people. It gives me a warm glow.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:52 PM

    Cosmo.and how are you meant to get a job if your homeless? They’ve every right to dispute the councils decision, just cos your homeless does not mean you stop being an Irish citizen. The reason irish society was and is in the state it’s in is precisely because people were brought up not to question anything.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:55 PM

    Homelessness is overwhelmingly a male issue. Boy & men. immediate quotas need to be introduced so we can make 100% sure they are looked after and not sidelined as usual. Time to stop this scourge.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:56 PM

    Exactly Suzie.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 7:00 PM

    Yeah did I read that right…

    Deciding you’d rather be on the waiting list for housing in South Dublin than where you used to live/became homeless and suing because you have to start at the end of the waiting list?

    For real?!?!?

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    Apr 7th 2016, 7:03 PM

    Who’s backing them I wonder?

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    Apr 7th 2016, 7:22 PM

    So, Aoife, you are happy as a tax payer to support a couple who became homeless, while homeless get pregnant, move district, and use the new pregnancy (I assume not a miraculous conception) in the new area to jump the queue?

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    Apr 7th 2016, 7:32 PM

    John b yes I’m perfectly happy with it. I can see you turning away Mary and Joseph from the stable cos she was homeless and pregnant and there’s a question mark over the father. John b tell me do you celebrate Xmas and if so what’s it meant to symbolise other than a piss up down the pub.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 7:41 PM

    Move from the one of the countries cheapest to most expensive localities… By virtue have important family connections to the area, but apparently no family connections in the position assist this homeless family.

    I keep imagining how this would play out in the British press… Living on benefits special, Give us a house in Chelsea now or we sue. Heads would explode at the sun or the daily mail.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 7:54 PM

    The state jane. This is a Judicial Review, the case is not about the actual decision of the council, but how the council came to the decision. One of their grounds is:

    “The family claim the precise reason for the refusal on the face of the letter is not clear.”

    In this case, if the decision is quashed, then all the council have to do is give the precise reason – it doesn’t mean they will issue a different decision.

    “The family further seek declarations the council acted in breach of its duty by not giving reasons for the refusal, that the refusal was irrational, the decision was an error of law and the decision breached the family’s Constitutional rights and rights under the European Convention of Human Rights.”

    The case is clearly a public interest case and as such the state will be asked to cover the costs, even if they lose.

    I think it’s high time a case like this was taken, although I don’t see how they can win.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 7:59 PM

    @Aoife

    “John b yes I’m perfectly happy with it. I can see you turning away Mary and Joseph from the stable cos she was homeless and pregnant”

    In fairness Aoife if it turns out that she got pregnant without being touched by any man AND that the child turns out to be the Son of God then I’ll consider you correct, until then I reserve the right to suggest you are off your head.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 8:01 PM

    John, thank you for that :-)

    Excellent comment,

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    Apr 7th 2016, 8:08 PM

    Using a story from the bible to argue the legal precedent in favor of giving someone a free house in a court case seems old fashioned…

    Would you turn Harry Potter away if he showed up at your door fleeing from Lord Voldemort would make a pertinent and up to date legal argument.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 8:13 PM

    Mary and Joseph were not homeless their home was Nazareth They were in Bethlehem for the census Did not have census forms in those days

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    Apr 7th 2016, 8:35 PM

    John. It’s be a bit late for you then.thats not how it works, though I suppose you think a trip to confession makes it ok. The hypocrisy of people hear beggars belief.tell me who would you vote for in Ireland to solve this issue.?

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    Apr 7th 2016, 8:38 PM

    Drew. No I wouldn’t turn away Harry Potter either, you think cos you got treated like crap and paid over and above what you should have that everyone else should also be treated like crap.your just jealous of someone else standing up for themselves.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 8:44 PM

    . You’d argue the point with Joseph about how he shouldn’t be in nazarath like he wasn’t domiciled there. It’s bizarre how people abroad look at us as being a Catholic country and great crack when reading the comments here we’ve more in common with the English and how they treated us. It’s like we’ve just swopped one actual physical master for a self imposed mental one where anyone trying to house themselves is the enemy.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 8:46 PM

    Aoife they are not standing up for themselves, they are getting solicitors to fight their corner so a council will give them a free house while at the same time bringing more homeless children into the equation, this is THE complete opposite of standing up for themselves.

    I am standing up for myself by working and paying taxes and providing for my family, it’s called ‘taking responsibility’.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 9:12 PM

    John b their doing what they have to do to survive try putting the boot on the other foot.Why aren’t you moaning about the banksters property developers speculators nama they have only !!!!!!siphoned billions off us. you talk like a divided man.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 9:14 PM

    John , that’s exactly what it is ..well said .

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    Apr 7th 2016, 9:18 PM

    Its a while Aoife since we were a Catholic country I know you want to go back to that time but we can’t

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    Apr 7th 2016, 11:10 PM

    People trying to house themselves aren’t the enemy, people demanding I pay for their housing often are though. Aoife, are you a net contributor to the exchequer? Because if not you’re as bad as them thinking you can dictate to us how our money should be spent and then having the audacity to criticise for not giving enough or complaint about this shameless begging. The normal taxpayer is getting gouged, and we’re getting sick of the ungrateful, over-entitled wasters gouging us.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 11:16 PM

    John. So what’s wrong with using a solicitor now? I can tell you and you know this quite well that the state has far bigger fish to fry if it only made the effort. Think d o brien for one. Don’t you think the judicial system here is a bit lopsided when it comes to justice.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 11:21 PM

    The normal taxpayer is getting gouged all right but it’s not by the homeless that’s for sure. I take it you feel as strongly about your taxes going towards td’s second home allowances. Your ok with paying the interest on their homes.its not the homeless that got the country gouged as you like to put it now, was it. Nope it was the David drumms and Michael Fingeltons with the help of our elected politions that have their hands in your pockets.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 11:55 PM

    Aoife,

    I’m not against supporting people who are homeless, there are countless stories of families homeless that have done their very best to keep a roof over their heads but through outside influences like job-loss, illness, failed business etc they have become homeless. These people in my opinion are top of the queue for the VERY LIMITED housing stock available, NOT people who are homeless and then being utterly selfish by bringing yet another homeless child into the world ffs.

    The State is NOT perfect and there is very little if any justice in this State but people like these thinking they have a God given right to jump a housing queue in a different county ???? Come On Aoife, you are better than that.

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    Apr 8th 2016, 12:01 AM

    John. Give it a rest will you. You’ve an obsession with a tiny tiny amount of people here. Your more likely to be effected by the cuts and tax increases imposed on us thanks to corrupt politions and bankers. Why don’t you use your energy constructively and highlight the real loafers and thieves in Ireland. Did you know that the money that charlie haughey got through crooked dealings here in today’s money exceeds 84 million euros. I can’t think of any homeless people racking up that sort of bill for us. That’s money that’s been taken away from you and your and my kids.

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    Apr 8th 2016, 12:11 AM

    Since you avoided the question I assume you are not a contributor to the state, and are just trying to spend other people’s money like all lefties. Your opinion is worthless until it effects you. Get a real job, then someone might care what you think.

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    Apr 8th 2016, 12:14 AM

    Aoife, just taking a straw poll of commentators on here I think it is your opinion that is out of step.

    There is corruption and it is to be condemned and prosecuted but that does not give Carte Blanche to anybody else to be a lazy bstard either, and taking up valuable court time using sleezy solicitors that are a big part of the corruption problem just antagonises the ordinary people like me.

    Charlie Haughey was corrupt but can I point out just two things to you,
    1. He did more for Social Welfare people than any other politician before or since (I despise him by the way)
    2. He is long since dead.

    Using your logic we should all say FCUK IT I’m not doing another tap cause someone else is corrupt, that is childish in the extreme.

    Good Night and don’t let those bankers ruin your dreams !!!!!

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    Apr 8th 2016, 12:18 AM

    Liam.sorry I forgot to say that contrary to your beliefs I don’t sign on and haven’t done so in over ten years. I’m self employed and pay my own taxes through ros. And believe it or not have a house which I paid for myself, shock horror. So now do you care what I think. I’m also well travelled in my younger years and through my own steam. This doesn’t make me a right wing nut job though. You need to educate yourself on the bigger picture and see who’s really pulling the strings. O and i also put myself through college.

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    Apr 8th 2016, 12:26 AM

    So ok using your logic with the charlie thing. Is it ok for me not to steal if I give a bit back. I’ve not heard that one before, I don’t think that’d stand up in a court. I couldn’t care less what others think, I’m not going to roll over like some sheep cos it offends someone. Plenty of people supported apartaid in south Africa in Ireland and dunnes stores workers were harassed and threatened by the police and people in the street but ultimately it wasn’t Ben dunne Nelson Mandela met when he came to Ireland. So not going with the herd can have its own rewards. So you go on stigmatising the most vulnerable members of our society if it makes you happy. That’s your choice.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:32 PM

    All these people playing politics with the formation of the next government- it’s almost as if they were politicians

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    Apr 7th 2016, 8:14 PM

    Ff fg are wrecking this country with their selfish behavior.Then their dummy supporters come on here to blame sf its a joke ff 44 fg 50 seats around thats your government deal with it and stop blaming others.If people have a problem with ff fg well just stop voting for them next time vote for change

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    Apr 7th 2016, 8:17 PM

    If SF went into coalition with FF they could implement policies instead of complaining about the lack of policies. As young Dev has said, they have a lot in common.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 8:18 PM

    Is SF or FF helping or providing an alternative? Its not just up to FG to form a goverment in fact as far as theyre concerned they are still in controll even if its just as care takers

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    Apr 7th 2016, 8:19 PM

    General election, 20 May….

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    Apr 7th 2016, 8:45 PM

    Roland ff have repeatedly said it will not go into government with sf and they did nothing only attack sf before the election,anyways why should sf prop up the party that sold our sovereignty no thanks ff fg are toxic banksters lapdogs beware they will jump through the imf loops when ever their told ff are capitalists not socialists.Sf are totally different to ff fg._.Just remember Roland ff gave us this http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/ireland our childrens children.Sell outs

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    Apr 7th 2016, 8:48 PM

    A vote for ff fg is a vote for cronyism and corruption.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 9:22 PM

    So coalition with the DUP is ok but FF is out of the question because of their past mistakes? Sorry but it looks like SF are more worried about seats than about the country.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 9:25 PM

    Bobby, I’ve a headache after reading your comments.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 10:27 PM

    The brave sf who are residing in opposition and refuse to take any responsibility. Every sf vote was a waste including mine. Modern democracies arw about compromise-coalition. See other eu contries eg. NL. Election now.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 10:32 PM

    SF: an utter disappointment: Abdication of Responsibility.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 10:36 PM

    Roland when people are losing their homes because of ff and fg policy its bigger then a mistake its a disaster.Hse crisis homeless crisis corruption nama bank guarantee in the billions on a biblical scale.Mistake you might want to reword that.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 10:56 PM

    “Why should SF prop up (insert party name here) in government?” “FF must go into government propping up FG because maths.” Is hypocrisy part of the initiation into the SF cult, or are they just too dim to realise they’re being hypocrites?

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    Apr 7th 2016, 11:06 PM

    Think SF have 1 or 1,696 mistakes in their past too, or is mentioning the thousands murdered in cold blood at the their hands a threat to the peace process?

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    Apr 8th 2016, 12:28 AM

    Sanctimonious populist Shinners.

    The hypocrisy is dripping off these muppets.

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    Apr 9th 2016, 2:14 AM

    @Bobby Phelan
    And a vote for SF and the progressive left as I see it described is most deffinitely a wasted vote for its a vote to have no voice in government and a perceived mandate to use the excuse that; ” there arent enough of us elected” to avoid any type of constructive talks with a view to creating a government. Why arent you sitting at round table talks seeking to elect a government and get your policies on homelessness and health listened to and moved from a ficticious state of a nonexistant committee to a very real place of discussion where these matters can be thrashed out and perhaps implemented.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:36 PM

    SF are setting out to lead the hard left in the Dail
    Funny how in government in NI they are far from being the hard left

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:43 PM

    What’s their stance on the Luas strike?

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:45 PM

    @jane

    it doesn’t affect them as the Dail doesn’t sit on weekends

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:46 PM

    They talk about a homeless crisis here, yet 5 poor souls have died on the streets of Belfast in the first 3 months of this year.

    They done nothing about it where they are in power.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:48 PM

    True John but I’d like to know all the same. At least AAA and PBP are upfront about where they stand on things. Obviously they’re mad but at least they’re honest. This shower always wait to see what way the wind is blowing so they should have made up their mind by now.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:50 PM

    Also Danny if they’re so concerned for the homeless what the hell was Mary Loo doing calling for a FG FF coalition? Surely the worst outcome for the homeless.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:50 PM

    SF are the only ones who are willing to put the Interest of the whole of Ireland before party interest. What did the leaders of 1916 give their lives for?

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    Apr 7th 2016, 7:01 PM

    They didn’t lose their lives so some bottom scraper like Gerry Adams could claim he stands on their shoulders. That’s for sure.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 7:02 PM

    Sinn Fein refuse to govern – posturing about what other parties should do, but like Nero fiddling while Rome burns

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    Apr 7th 2016, 7:32 PM

    nobody knows why they gave their lives

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    Apr 7th 2016, 7:54 PM

    SF Slovenia wagging their finger at everyone,
    But don’t want any responsibility

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    Apr 7th 2016, 10:39 PM

    Danny its the torys that implement policy in the north but you all ready know that._.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 11:18 PM

    SF don’t refuse to govern, aren’t they presently administering her majesty’s government in the north after spending 30 years murdering people in opposition to the north being governed by her majesty’s government.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:32 PM

    Seriously? Yes let’s talk more about homelessness and do nothing about it! Politics at its finest

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    Apr 7th 2016, 7:30 PM

    Kids

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:26 PM

    Ah yes SF accusing people of not working together?

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    Apr 7th 2016, 7:25 PM

    Sf are all mouth.you betrayed the people, and will be punished in future elections

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:46 PM

    Getting paid and still do nothing but talking, I’m taking six weeks of for a chat.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:34 PM

    no panic sure sf will do something about the homeless crisis in 20 years when they are the biggest party .

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:37 PM

    Brilliant idea. The charade of the last few weeks has shown what exactly goes on inside the minds of FG/FF. Government for them is only really about them . They’ll wrangle and posture to suit their own position. Their idea of what government is stops at the gates of kildare street. Talking about Dail reform on their first day back when they’d ignored it for the last 5 years. Pack of charlatans

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    Apr 7th 2016, 7:37 PM

    in opposition all you can do is talk

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:57 PM

    fix the first para and btw Wallace and Daly are not Independents they are members of a registered political party name it http://www.oireachtas.ie/members-hist/default.asp?housetype=0&HouseNum=32&PartyId=56

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:49 PM

    I’m sure they’ll survive another few nights in B&B or Hotel accommodation…in the meantime they should protest to their local FF representatives for playing political stunts so as to up the ante on parties who are trying to do the responsible thing for the country.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:34 PM

    Build houses Brazil build a city for A million people in 2 years

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:37 PM

    Favelas don’t count mate

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    Apr 8th 2016, 1:58 PM

    They built Brasilia in under 4 years!

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    Apr 7th 2016, 9:53 PM

    Well then why don’t SF work out a program for government with FF or FG and put housing at the top of the list. Get elected and govern. Any TD that doesn’t engage in a way that will actually affect change through governance deserves to lose their seat at the next election. Lip service will not get people into houses.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 11:18 PM

    Sinn Fein are all heart.

    Lie in the long grass, play the long game, they’ve been told.

    The old training seeps deep into the psyche of a Sinn Feiner; no blood is unspent if there’s a personal mission ahead.

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    Apr 7th 2016, 10:46 PM

    Can anyone explain what difference another election is gonna make.. people are stil gonna vote as they did before its all just gonna end up back at square one… waste if time an money.. AGAIN! Is it really gonna solve any problem.. they all just need to get to work.. pity they could “vote” on extending their holliers yet they can do absolutely nothing productive for the benefit of the country..

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:28 PM

    Is that Stephan Donn

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    Apr 7th 2016, 6:28 PM

    Stephen Donnelleys evil twin in the top picture? Had to do a double take

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    Apr 7th 2016, 7:10 PM

    I like his red dress.

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    Apr 8th 2016, 9:52 AM

    Amazing ………….these people didn’t give two f**ks about the homeless for the last year and up to the election – and now they look like they might get a bit of power there all about it ……….when they get what they want -…………the homeless will go back to being a talking point , a political football, a footnote on a bill…………it’s disgusting really

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