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ROCK LEGEND BRUCE Springsteen has cancelled a gig this weekend in the US state of North Carolina over a controversial law seen as anti-transgender people.
The state recently passed HB2, referred to as the “bathroom law”, which prohibits local governments within the state from enacting policies protecting the LGBT community from discrimination at public facilities and restrooms.
It specifically requires that transgender people use the restroom corresponding to the sex on their birth certificates.
Springsteen was scheduled to play the Greensboro Coliseum with The E Street Band as part of The River tour this Sunday.
However, in a statement on his website posted today, he cancelled the gig.
“The law also attacks the rights of LGBT citizens to sue when their human rights are violated in the workplace. No other group of North Carolinians faces such a burden.
To my mind, it’s an attempt by people who cannot stand the progress our country has made in recognising the human rights of all of our citizens to overturn that progress.
“Right now, there are many groups, businesses, and individuals in North Carolina working to oppose and overcome these negative developments.
Taking all of this into account, I feel that this is a time for me and the band to show solidarity for those freedom fighters. As a result, and with deepest apologies to our dedicated fans in Greensboro, we have canceled our show scheduled for Sunday, 10 April. Some things are more important than a rock show and this fight against prejudice and bigotry — which is happening as I write — is one of them. It is the strongest means I have for raising my voice in opposition to those who continue to push us backwards instead of forwards.
Springsteen’s cancellation comes after online giant PayPal dropped plans on Tuesday to invest millions of dollars in North Carolina, joining a growing chorus of protests by major companies.
In a letter to North Carolina’s Republican governor, Pat McCrory, nearly 100 representatives of companies such as Apple, Bank of America, Marriott, Starbucks and Facebook warned that the law will “diminish the state’s draw as a destination for tourism, new businesses and economic activity.”
Mississippi this week passed a bill that allows businesses refuse to serve gay people on religious grounds.
Last week in another southern state, Georgia, Republican Governor Nathan Deal vetoed a similar “religious freedoms” bill that giant corporations, Hollywood and activists complained would infringe gay rights.
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To borrow a quote from Martin Luther King: “I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: Only love can do that”.
Very fitting at the moment.
I agree completely. Just because someone was a monster doesnt mean that we should become monsters too. He got his comeupance, leave it at that. Revelling in his torture etc makes us as bad as him.
What a fantastic quote . I have heard it before but forgot it . It is so appropriate in all circumstances..Thanks.
I think if you do not go out and protest against war it only fair you get to see the results
Fantastic quote. I agree wholeheartedly. Death should never be celebrated like that, no matter whose death it is.
Very, very well said.
It’s a nice quote. Pity Martin Luther King never said it.
I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. -Jessica Dovey)
Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that ~Dr. MLK Jr.
OK Colm ! They are still good sentiments !
See, this is where it gets confusing. If theey don’t print the images “it never happened”, if they do, “that’s disgracefull, uncivilised”
Hi Mike,
You’ve hit the nail there – that debate we’ve heard/seen on social media this morning prompted us to put up this particular poll. Thanks for the comment,
Susan
No Mike, if they (whoever won the war) want you to see and hear it, you see it and hear it. If they don’t they assassinate everyone who was there when (insert incident) happened, so you don’t see it or hear it. Its getting harder because of mobile phones but it does happen.
When will see these images on a front page…….. the result of million pounds worth of Smart bombs paid for by uk and french and American tax payers http://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_url=http%3A//www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DLaS44hoEP0k%26feature%3Dplayer_embedded#at=32
I think it should be on the front page. It send a clear message to all dictators that the people will get you in the end!!
I find these images very disturbing, perhaps I’m just a light weight. Gaddafi was certainly a tyrant and no doubt directly and indirectly responsible for the death of many over his 40 year rein. Nevertheless the celebration of this man’s death and manner in which it happened both by the media and world leaders (Cameron, Obama) sickens me, irrespective of how despotic the victim was and does nothing but make a mockery of the virtues of fair play and justice that the West purports to be the defender and bastion of.
I don’t agree with putting it on the front page. You should buy the paper to see images like that. If it’s on the front page it takes away your choice of seeing the image. It also means the image is free to everyone who goes into a shop including children. It’s unnecessary.
This comment I do agree with. Childrens minds are fragile and need to be protected
They do need to be protected, by their parents. Society is not responsible for your children.
So, JimBob, we’ll keep them in a cardboard box for the weekend, will we? Spot the non-parent.
That would be me, yeah. You say that like its a bad thing.
Jimbob, the images were on the front pages of most papers. These papers are normally kept very low down so even the youngest of children can see them.
I went to the shops with my children to buy them something and they couldn’t help seeing the paper. I had no idea the images were there until after I had entered the shop and it was too late.
What do you suggest I should have done to parent my children better so they wouldn’t see these images?
I’m getting weird impression that these days it’s ok to kill people if we think they are bad… And people who do are heroes.
Where’s trial?
People are always killed during war Danny. In case you haven’t noticed, Lybia has been having a civil war for months and Gaddafi is the latest, and hopefully the last, victim of this civil war. Sometimes war is necessary. We can’t all go aroung holding hands and making daisy chains all the time.
That dog didn’t deserve a trial, I suppose you think Osama deserved one too…or Hitler/Mussolini etc.
Ya live by the sword then you deserve to die that way too.
Not defending either of these individuals, Danny, but a trial would have benefited transparency in both cases, costly as it would have been.
Also, if the papers had it that you were a mass murderer (I presume you are not), I imagine you’d appreciate the opportunity of clearing your name, regardless of the baying masses.
Look another dictator is dead, that’s a good thing. And it wouldn’t been pointless to but him on trial, he wouldn’t have recognised the court and he prob woulda been either handed after been found guilty or he’d have committed suicide while in jail. This way eliminates any possible way for him to become a martyr because he died like rat trying to escape in a pipe…..he may even have been shot by some of his own guys.
Interesting how photos of gadaffi dead made the paper instantly but none of bin laden!
There was photos of Bin Laden no?
Hi Klaire – There were none of Bin Laden issued publicly. There was a fake doing the rounds for a little while – we wrote about it here (warning before clicking the link: even the fake photo here is pretty horrible to look at http://www.thejournal.ie/gruesome-pic-of-dead-osama-is-a-fake-graphic-content-129929-May2011/)
Klaire, no, there were no photos released of Bin Laden. All we have is the word of the US Government that he’s toast.
Yes strange that…….. because Obama et al watched live via satellite from the soldiers head cameras.
There were no immediate photos or very few of Bin Laden because that situation was being stage managed by the Americans! There was no American involvement with the Gaddafi killing!
The graphic images are not the issue, they are news, it’s the crude headlines, they’re juvenile.
Why are Irish people buying British tabloid rags anyway?
did you have a look at the Examiner?
I dont think it should be publicised, there is no victory in death. Dont get me wrong, I am glad to see the downfall of a dictator but Its kinda voyeuristic. Also the images of the little girl in china getting run over where pretty horrific I think the store was upsetting enough without the images and video being broadcast.
If they print this then they should print pictures of the countless civilians murdered by the NATO bombing campaign, but then that wouldn’t be good propaganda.. I have as much respect for Obama, Sarkozy, Cameron as I had for Gadaffi. They ‘re all evil pieces of sh1t in my eyes.
Indeed. As I said above, if more shocking images like this were published, then maybe we, as a race, wouldn’t be so quick to go to war with one another.
Or maybe that’s just wishful thinking.
Well said.
We seem to have very short memories. When Al Jazeera posted the horrid photos of the mercenaries (American) who were killed in Iraq, all hell broke loose. How dare they? This is an outrage…blah….blah….blah. Well, it was true then and it’s true now, and when the tides turn and we begin to see photos of Americans and Brits cut up and murdered… may we remember our own stupidity
The news stand in my local shop is right by the front door. You must walk past it to enter shops. You have no warning outside when you are entering with children that such images are on display. So you’ve no choice BUT to look at them, and have your children to look at them. Do you think a public place like this would be allowed to air a graphic over 18′s bloody war film? There is censorship there to avoid having images like this etc. shown to our children. Personally I’d like to choose to see these images. Not have them flaunted in my face as I walk into a shop. (And to be quite honest I don’t want to look at them, they are barbaric – to have the whole world watch as a man pleads for his life? Before here is his torture, after here he is dead? What kind of people revel in seeing that?) I don’t want my children seeing this. So inside the newspaper would be far more appropriate. If I then choose to look at it I will buy the paper.
Just because you have to walk past them doesn’t mean you have to look at them. I walk by things that I don’t look at every day. Cover your children’s eyes if you don’t want them to see these pictures.
I agree 100% with you Fiona…..The video images made me shiver and took an effect on me…had to turn off within seconds and also the photos …..horrific……and I am a 48 year old….what kind of effect would these photos take on an innocent child…..??? Should have been inside the paper with a warning on the front page as to the contents inside…
Why should I have to cover my children’s eyes every time I walk into a shop?? That is ludicrous!! These horrible images are out in the public domain and it’s wrong. If an adult wants to get their kicks from seeing these pictures then so be it, let them buy the paper!! Let the graphic and horrible images be printed inside. Doesn’t take a lot of effort to turn a page!!! I should not have to explain to my children what happened to that man or why is he bleeding etc just because a newspaper wants to sell more of its product. People like you amaze me. I have rights too and I reserve the right to protect my children from seeing such horrible things. Not walk them around the world with a blindfold on. The papers are there for adults to purchase so let them purchase them with the images printed inside.. Cop on for God’s sake.
@Jim Bob. I fully agree with on the freedom of the press issue and I will stand with you to defend that right but I don’t agree with the images being on the front page, as this removes viewer discretion. The images within the body of the paper provides the buyer/parent the choice to either buy or not the paper in question and thereby have control over what images within the paper they would wish their children to see.
Well said Fiona
Why should these images be censored from me because you don’t want your children to see them?? That is ludicrous!! Doesn’t take a lot of effort to keep your children away from this!!!
Of course you should have to explain to my children what happened to that man or why is he bleeding. The sooner your children learn the facts of life the better. How do you think Libyan children feel about the terror that they have actually been living in during this civil war, and in fact during Gaddafi’s regime for the decades?
People like you amaze me. I don’t like looking at your picture next to your post there, but I’m not going to complain. It is your responsibility to protect your children, not mine or anybody else’s.
And please don’t bring ‘God’ in to this.
JimBob, three children. Two hands. I’ll say no more.
Except JimBob – what do you tell your children about it? We’ all like to benefit from your parenting expertise and experience. Looking forward to that.
I don’t ever plan on having children
Because you are an adult, thereby capable of making the choice as to whether YOU want to see these images. Children don’t have that choice when it is flaunted in their face. As for my picture, I don’t give a rats ass whether you like it or not. At least I’m not hiding behind an egg. Practise what you preach and just “cover your eyes” . My children are young, and I’d prefer not to have to teach them the facts of life for a long time yet. I want them enjoy their childhood. Innocent. And I think it is my right to protect them from things like this until they are old enough to choose for themselves. That, after all, is a parent’s job.
Ah, so now you show your true colours. You’re one of these people that practices one thing and preaches something else for everybody else. The Gaddafi photo should be censored because you don’t like it, but your picture shouldn’t be censored because I don’t like it. I am practising what I speak by not looking at your photo.
Of course it is your right to protect your children from things you’d rather they didn’t see. But with that right comes the responsibility of making sure that they don’t see these things. That is up to you, not anybody else.
JimBob, you are aware of the photo so you looked at it, but that aside:
Your desire not to procreate, while a relief for some, should give you a hint about how much you know, and perhaps will ever know, about parenting. It’s like being lectured on family life by the Christian Brothers!
Nobody asks you to do anything to help the parents of those who will create the economic activity to pay for your pension, just don’t tell us how it’s done, because when you grow up, breeding or otherwise, you may have a better appreciation of how silly it sounds.
I think the fact that you are trying to compare my photo and the photos of a dead man with blood all over him as being equally offensive quite disturbing. Not to blow my own trumpet, but I hardly think if a child or indeed an adult looks at my photo they will recoil in horror and say oh my God (sorry, there he is again) wtf is that?? Its horrendous..
Shows your mentality JimBob.
David: I’m not sure what you are referring to in relation to your kids’ economic activity and my any possible pension I may draw in the future. I will prepare for my own retirement with savings garnered during my working life. The way the world is going, I’ll probably be working in to my 80s anyway.
Fiona: So, you don’t only practice double standards, you also want to be the judge on moral decency too. Shows YOUR mentality.
I’m not practising double standards at all. If my photo were as graphic as the Gadaffi ones I would totally agree with you. Clearly you are a person who thinks nobody should have the right to stop YOU seeing these images. And I agree. We are all adults. We can choose to see what we want. We can choose to watch what we want. What I have a problem with is when images like this are on display, in shops, where young children can view them. With no warnings. Walk in the door and here they are. Just what is your problem with that? As for me judging moral decency? I fail to see where I am judging anyone.
I wouldn’t like my child to see the front page today, inside would have been more appropriate for these grafic shots. But Gaddaffi killed, humiliated and tortured thousands and therefore why should be granted dignity in his last moments?
That’s ironic, when there would probably be uproar if George Bush was dragged through the streets begging for mercy, quoting Jesus, by a crowd of righteously indignant Muslims, shot in the face… and pictures were posted in papers.
I call ithe publication of the pics, and especially the hate inciting British tabloids’ headlines a) rascist, colonial hypocrisy, b) aimed at AND fuelling base animal instincts which we like to pretend aren’t there c) totally irresponsible journalism, when kids will see it and have nightmares. It will help these kids, however, to understand the reality: this is what lies beneath all the civilised discourse and new testament morality they are pumped with in day to day life.
All Humans are doing their best with what they have, everyone deserves dignity. These triumphlist headlines from states that decry corporal punishment make me feel sick.
All humans should be treated with dignity because they are human beings, not because of what they do or do not do to others. They should have tried him. They let themselves down. A bad beginning to a new country.
@John Kehoe
All humans should be treated with dignity because they are human beings, not because of what they do or do not do to others.
Why ?
Why should someones actions, taken freely, not be reflected in how society deals with them?.
Why should we treat someone with dignity when they have so grossely failed to treat others with such dignity themselves ?
Why does someone not forfeit that right when decide to act in such an inhumane way against society ?
Im not saying that we go out of our way to treat them harshly, far from it, but why should we give them an once of sympathy when they find themselves in predicaments such as this ? Sure, if he could have been captured alive, he should have been tried approprately, but for what ever reason, he wasnt. So why care?
Seeing the pictures of Gadaffis last moments brings home the horror of war and violence. Not seeing the pics makes it easier to brush the “nastiness” under the carpet. The graphic pics force us to confront and think about acts perpetrated in our name!
John, agreed that we should have to confront what happened and not have it sanitised, but the fromt page of a news paper (every newspaper)? It is being treated almost as a form of entertainment, even by the broadsheets.
Gadafi may (probably) have deserved to die. But a newspaper editor siting in Dublin or London is wrong to treat it the way they did. It cheapens further their profession.
Kirk, I believe all humans should be treated with dignity because humans are amazing things, they could seem to be all bad, but if they get the right kind of attention they can work wonders. Also they are so sensitive and capable of suffering. And because we’re not stuck in a mediaevil mindset where an eye deserves an eye.
If you wanna put your money where your mouth is, go and live in Saudi Arabia, where you can get your hand chopped off for stealing bread to feed your family.
Professional journalism should be a balance between telling and showing the truth while trying not to repulse the reader. Warning: Graphic image…then turn to the jugs on page 3.
no, the gruesome images are a testimony of brutality that lurks beneath the surface of us all. retaliation, torture, death does not serve the purpose of peace and it is peace the world needs. triumphalism also just shows that we are basically beasts!
far better to have captured him alive and sent him to prison for the rest of his life where he could have considered his past!
and i worry about the children seeing the images having nightmares and also learning this is how you treat those who hurt you. smash their heads in! not a good message for the youngsters.
My last comment was deleted because I suggested the printing of those pictures are indicative of the sickness in the minds of those ruling elite who control the media, politicians and the global economy. It shows how sick the society we live in is at its core. A truely degenerative mess in its last days. Now, mild expletive and 4 letters in capitals removed. Please don’t censor
Hi Willy,
Your last comment was removed for no other reason than the use of an obscenity in it, as per our attempt to keep TheJournal.ie’s comments section up to a level of constructive and clean debate. http://www.thejournal.ie/comments-policy/
As you can see, I haven’t deleted your comment above, so there is clearly no agenda on censoring opinions about the media.
Thanks, Susan.
There’s something fundamentally wrong with a society that rejoices in the death of another human being, and splashes images of their blood-stained corpse across the front pages in order to shift a few extra copies. God bless David Cameron and his minions for making our world a safer place to live in.
Compared to images in some video games and films, the photos of Gaddafi were almost mild. He was bound to die on way or another. The prospect of him giving evidence before the ICC, which would almost certainly have implicated several NATO members in shoring up his regime, would have raised a lot of international anxiety. Ireland, despite its ‘neutrality’, had good trade relations with the dictator. Hmmm… Crocodile tears all round.
Disgusting ……
like Saddam it could be very inconvenient if he turned up in the Hague. inconvenient and embarrassing for his one time allies.
Disgraceful pictures. The lies have started as well from the NTC. I think we can all agree that he was executed to protect western leaders.
I totally agree with you. very disturbing and I am finding it a little more difficult to connect with the sympathy I felt for the rebels before. not dignified. not right. he should have stood trial.
I personally feel it is inappropriate to print them at all. He may have done terrible things, but we are not animals and I think it’s wrong to celebrate killing someone in a brutal way. And I was very unhappy to have to scroll quickly down this page to vote in the poll in order to avoid looking at those horrific pictures. Could they not be placed behind a link or on another page. It’s almost as bad as printing them on the front page of a newspaper where you have no choice but to see them.
So Gaddafi was killed. We know he was killed. Showing gruesome death porn images is for one purpose only – sensationalism – to sell more papers.
My, what a long thread.
My own response has been to turn away, I don’t particularly want to see Gadafi’s corpse, any more than I wanted to see Bin Laden’s, Sadam Hussein’s or Nicolae Ceausescu’s. As much as anything I don’t want to feel I am a participant ogling over the corpse in the village square. The knowledge that he is dead is enough, pictures don’t necessarily make it more real to me.
This article in the New Statesman by Steven Baxter (http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/steven-baxter/2011/10/gaddafi-dead-graphic-war) is worth a look, as it asks why other images of warfare, its direct effects and aftermath, are kept hidden. Why Gaddafi’s trophy corpse and not the carnage inflicted on hundreds of thousands of innocents? War in the media is selectively sanitised (not necessarily the media’s fault), and, on days like today, is allowed to indulge in a bloodlust or revenge fantasy that is, at best, indulging the worst of human nature.
The front page of the UK edition of The Sun today is perhaps the lowest example of this (and one has to wonder how the people of Lockerbie feel about The Sun’s appropriation of their horrific experience) but it is by no means unique, not today.
the sun news paper is nothing more than gutter press .
Inclined to agree with Niall, above. I don’t like the sort of triumphalism that the papers are displaying from the point that it is tasteless and somehow inhuman behaviour. At the same time, the brutal end of a brutal dictator is not an inappropriate result.
I wish the people of Libya better fortune with their next Government. It hasn’t happened yet in Tunisia, where things are apparently somewhat worse than before.
I have to laugh as the poll subject “Should Gaddafi corpse photos have made the front page?”, when thejournal have a collection of all 7 front page photos of a blood spattered Gaddafi on their homepage or “frontpage”. What a joke.
We’re not judging whether it’s right or wrong Tomas. We published a photo of Gaddafi yesterday (but inside the story, not as the main picture – that was our own editorial decision). We’re just interested to know what you think of having these pictures anywhere at all. Feel free to include TheJournal.ie in your vote!
Not nice images, but hard to feel sorry for the bastard.
Of course they should be on the front page, this is reality, this is the outcome of war, this is what happens to tyrants and evil dictators when they are finally overthrown. For all those bleeding heart ‘offended’ poor sensitive souls who can’t handle it, a message… don’t look, close your eyes, look away and Conor nobody is forcing you to buy the “hate inciting British tabloids” (as you put it) to have a good look at all the gory details. Gaddafi was a vicious, nasty ruthless tyrant who murdered hundreds of thousands of people in his own country, he ordered the murder of innocent men, women and children on the PanAm flight blown to bits over Scotland and he supplied the IRA with weapons and semtex which killed hundreds of people in Ireland and the UK so, who cares what happened to him and good luck to the Libyans for ridding themselves of this vile specimen and his offspring. Lets hope the other dictators who run various countries sleep a little less easy in their beds tonight! The pictures are brutal but so was he, the reality of showing what happens is the only way people will really understand just how messy and awful war and violence really are. The press were right to print the pictures.
Totally agree with you.
It should come with a warning. The faint hearted and kids can still mistakenly see them on page 3, which is at least better than the front page, but they could have just had it so the images were accessible online, if you so needed to see his dead body. I’m normally not that squeamish, but they are particularly gruseome photos. I’m not saying this out of respect for him, it’s just that it’s gross.
More care is taken when covering spoilers to fictional tv series.
No, we should censor all images in the media that some overly sensitive souls may be offended by.
/end sarcasm
If you don’t want to see these images, then don’t look at the newspapers. Nobody is forcing anybody else to look at these images. If you don’t like it, then don’t look at the paper stand in your shop.
Censoring images like this is the thin end of the wedge. Censor this and next time it’ll be an anti government protest or whatever. Freedom of the press is extremely important and must not be curtailed.
Pity there was no option to vote for putting these images inside the paper rather than on the cover, so that those who like that sort of thing can enjoy them.
/ end sarcasm.
That still amounts to censorship.
Images of Hitlers corpse were releasesd in 1945 as were photos of Mussolini hanging upside down from a tree, yes it’s grotesque but I’m sure it has brought a huge amount of people a great deal of relief!
Hasn’t brought 50% of the voters on this poll relief, or the hundreds of thousands of children who will see these pics today. Little do those people who you mention are relieved know that the US, following it’s ancient doctrine of ‘power by implementation’ and its blueprint for the middle east, now controls Libya through whichever puppet they financed with arms to do this.
I can’t agree, bottom line is the world doesn’t need people like Gaddafi in it, I for one am relieved that he’s no longer with us – yes I agree it’s not an image that a child should see but I’m sure there are plenty of children in Libya that had to live under his regime have witnessed far worse…none of us can tell what the future holds, the past, however is there for us all to see…
That the images were taken and released is, in my opinion, not the point. Displaying them on the fromt page of every newspaper as a form of entertainment is the issue. Possibly peopole in Libya take comfort in the photographs, but how does it help being published on the front page of newspapers thousnads of kms away.
Gadaffi and Bin Laden were cruel dictators. As far as I can judge they showed little mercy to anyone who got in their way but I think it is wrong to celebrate the death of anyone. Think back to 9/11 attacks and how sickening it was to see people rejoicing in those deaths.
These and other dictators should be given a fair trial, if we cannot do this then are we any better than these murderers ourselves.
By the way if after a fair trial they were sentenced to death I can live with that but everyone deserves to die with dignity
@Brian Lawton
But I think it is wrong to celebrate the death of anyone
Anyone ?
Stalin killed millions of his own people. Do you think that those who suffered on his regime were wrong to thank the heavens that this man, or others like him, died when they did ?
Are we wrong to celebrate the fact that the world is a better place because these people have died? I think not personally.
Regarding Martin Luthers quote:
“I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy.”
The enemies that we in the west face are about as dangerous as school boy bullies compared to some of the real enemies that ordinary decent folk face in some parts of the world.
I am not really bothered one way or the other about the pictures. What worries me more is that it might just be the start of the real fighting for Libya.
Very true. Potential for a very bloody catastrophe.
The press usually censors gruesome images.
If we saw more of the gruesome corpses from World War 1 and World War 2 we might notice the horror of war.
Spot on Pete. There is a disconnect between the public and the true horrors of war, famine, death and pestilence. If anything we need more of these types of images, not less.
True for you Pete. It’s all too much like a vidoe game, even from the cockpit of a bomber, but I still don’t want my children waking up screaming because of that image, so have a special commemorative pullout feature in Hello magazine if that’s what people want, but not shoved in our faces thanks.
Nobody is forcing you or your children to read or look at any of these papers or to watch any of the TV coverage. Why do all parents these days expect everybody else to jump through hoops not to offend their children? It is a parent’s responsibility to protect their children from things they would rather they didn’t see, not society’s.
No jumping through hoops – just buy the paper!
The tabloids really show fairness and dignity in their publications.
PS.
“The World at War” from the 1970′s is rightly regarded as one of the really great documentaries.
But very few corpses are visible in it.
The war caused about 50 million corpses
Musn’t disturb the viewers.
Well I believe He’s a lot more dead then Bin Laden!!!!
Its disgusting…….but it sells newspapers and increases viewers…….plain and simple.
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Don’t see the big deal, it’s not like none of us have never seen a dead body before & most of us wanted that prick dead anyway.
The young children that get taken into the newsagents with mummy and daddy haven’t seen dead bloodied bodies before. We are not supposed to show them images like that that are fact in films so why can we show them them when they are real? The way the media has used the images is as a form of entertainment too and not just as news.
Before you say, ‘keep your children away from the papers then’ or something similar, think about where the papers are displayed. They are usually on the lowest shelf so front cover images like this are in plain site of the smallest of children and if the parents are unaware the images are there before entering the shop, then there is noway they can keep the children from them.
Looks like you don’t speak for most people in this instance Danny
To be fair, in the Irish Times, he is still alive, though it’s still pretty shocking
While Normally I would object to a corpse in this condition shown, I would prefer his body cleaned up and then shown.
I think when a person has affected so many people in an evil way there victims or relations need closure on is death. They need to see his body to know that chapter is gone and come to haunt them again.
This is similar to a family needing see their loved ones corpse to move on with there lives….
You obviously were never in a real war Adam.
Video gamers only have pretend bayonets.
I find it strange that people react this way to a culture in the middle east that has always been like this. Has nobody seen Lawrence of Arabia?
He is dead ,he wont be missed,I don’t like the photos ,but I understand that people want to see ‘proof’ and need closure.
well all i can say . is that gaddafi has gone . so be it . end of story . they will have to move on now and see if they get another guy better than him . never mind talking about there civil war . he helped keep the civil war going on here in the north . how many top i.r.a. men were his guests in Lybia. eating and drinking with him . ?and in other non democrat country’s . we have no room to talk about anyone else . and as for the English papers at least they tell more truth than the Irish papers . i’m irish and proud of it and i can tell .spin and crap when i see it . and there is lots of that in this country of ours . and our democracy is been eaten away by the day . with gob shits. we have here . the so called big men . doing there best for the people of this country . more like filling there own pockets . as has been going on since the beginning of the Irish state . . what’s new . ?and as for a civil war. there is one on here . with rich verse the poor . and who do we think will win this one . when will we see a front page of a news paper here with a bastard with a black eye for telling lies . and robbing the people . this country is fecked . and all we can do is talk . how long can we take this . maybe our belly’s are still full . so we keep taking it on the chin . when your backs are to the wall we may come out fighting .i hate war of any kind . and let every country do there own thing and get on with it . ah but now we are euro pens. and do what they say . aren’t we great wow lol. why cant we do what our forefathers did on empty belly’s and for what . for this shit of a government the yellow bastards . ass licker’s of banks . and euro pens. get over Briton its been gone a long time . they are better off without us . even the people in the north don’t want to be part of us . who the feck want’s to be under this government anyway . and wait till the budget . we wait. and see who will be cut . it wont be the rich . the poor . will be cut . they get less and pay more . robin. hood .bastard Kenny . take from the poor and give to the rich . and he is up noon’s ass hole . wow keep the lad’s well paid for advice . to feck up more . oh the winter of discontent.is on us . god help us all …..or maybe we should help ourselves more .
That is one . difficult comment . to read . Maureen .
why ?
I think they just have made the front pages.
Just for you Conor, I’ve tweaked the head to ‘Should they have made…’ :)
Ah you’re very good! :)
In my experience children are far tougher than some parents seem to believe .The video games that they choose to play can be graphically horrific — back when I was a child “horror comics ” were traded between children quite happily . Parents have to play their part by declaring what is to be seen and what is not acceptable — but if the image is there — then the lesson can be given — “that is the real consequence of war”.
Regarding the people who now think that the Colonel was a monster — well he certainly did some very favourable deals for Ireland that greatly benefited the economy during the run up to the times of the Celtic Tiger .It was interesting to read a clip from the Belfast Telegraph in 2008 — that back in 1972 the Colonel sent representation to President De Valera to deliver a gift of a saddle , bridle and riding whip — which the President accepted — under an agreement that it would not be publicised . With the current instability in Libya — and the emergence of factions who may yet deny that country a rosy future I was reminded of W B Yeats poem “The Great Day ” — Hurrah for revolution and more cannon-shot!
A beggar upon horseback lashes a beggar on foot.
Hurrah for revolution and cannon come again!
The beggars have changed places, but the lash goes on.
– Perhaps the same lash given by Gaddafi to Dev !!
However evil this man was and he was. There should be some dignity in death. I know others would say that he showed no dignity to those he tortured and murdered, But that’s just my opinion.
All these nice people … Mad dog … I guess it is easy to say that now, I did not hear that term 1 year ago. I assume now it is safe to say that? Nobody will sue you? I would say that if someone is mad over here – it is not colonel (who died according to his believes as a hero) but general public, yes, general public is mad if they adore such things.
It’s a hateful business to be sure. How anyone can take such gleeful pleasure in this kind of behaviour, even towards a man as vile as Gadaffi, is beyond me. All I know is that I had to hurry my 5 year old son past half a dozen newspaper displays today with his eyes out on stalks, and I was heartily sick of it. Tuck it inside the paper somewhere as a matter of record, but on the front page as a way of generating sales? Pathetic.
that’s mickey rouke! ha ha
front of the financial times perhaps just means we’ll still be paying high oil prices here in ireland until there is political stability once more in the region…
There is a picture of welsh player from last nights rugby match with just as much blood on his head as, _____________, (insert spelling here). RTE showed two soldiers stripped and lifeless on a beach many years ago and it became a defining moment for many people who would turn their back on terrorism. Sometimes we need to see the gore from both sides.
pure hypocrisy, the images of princess dianas corpse were banned but because gaddafi was a scumbag he seems fair game?
no
and what about the pictures showing young children , girls and boys, holding guns. good education!
and we still give children toy guns…
and we call ourselves ‘enlightened’, ‘educated’ ‘peaceful’ ‘democratic’ and so on…
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