The Irish media fawned over Princess Grace of Monaco.

The Journal puts up posts about our Royal family because it provokes debates.

And debates mean clicks.

And clicks mean points.

And what do points mean?

I feel pretty much the same. She’s Grand, like. and happy birthday but I really couldn’t give a s…

@Damocles: “our” royal family?

Andrew,

I’m British, so yes.

PRIZES!!!!

Yes, Richard, in the form of advertising revenue.

its great the us irish refer to her simply asthe queen, it shows the great respect between our two great nations. hope she visits again soon

irelands favorite granny :)

Tell us Lee, are you referring solely to places where Elizabeth II remains head of state, or are you including such ill-educated, trampled, class-riddled monarchist hellholes like Japan, the Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, Remark and Norway in those sweeping brush strokes of yours?

*Denmark

Poxy auto-correct

I think it would be great if Wales changed its name to East Ireland and its capital to Dublincardiff.

We have enough idiots in this country without paying for a another family to sponge of the state.

Yeah,and here was me thinking we we’re plundered for 800 years into submission lol

There is a Statue in most streets of Daniel O’connell who got Catholic emancipation and Catholics the ability to sit as Mps in the UK Parliament, thereby enabling a better democratic partnership. Ireland was a part of the Union not a colony. OK some didn’t like that either, but we were deeper in the system than we care to believe.

Daniel O Connell was a freemason…a foreign agent…like most of the fake freedom fighters.The UK will always be part of our history,but no by choice of the people.The British regime was responsible for our holocaust that is not taught properly in school for fear of anti British attitudes.Read Tim Pat Coogans book which got an award on the famine and see if you think we we’re a partnership or a colony.They depopulated our island for fear of reprisal on purpose.It was a holocaust and anyone who denies this is a hypocrite.Remember the British were first to use concentration b Camps NOT The Nazis…import to note when you look back on history…

Think you will find those living in the UK had little choices at that time either as it was a time of autocracy everywhere in Europe, no free handouts like we have today, then add the worst communications conceivable, and you have a recipe for disaster. It’s so easy call to critic with the comfort of modern standards. Imaging three of the largest churches in Limerick costing millions in those were built on the cusp of famine times, where did that money come from? ? ? They say from the locals, so what happened to distribution to the poor? Think most of the issues between the Islands were religious based and the result of a Vatican sponsored Jihad where Phillip of Spain put a price on the head of Eliz1 and every chancer wanted a pop. The rest is history. Please remember the British included the Scots the Irish the Welsh and English at many levels, to deny that would also be a folly.

Cromwell was a bit of a knob towards us, in fairness.

Cromwell was a bit of a knob towards quite a lot of people, but he wouldn’t have come here and been a bit of a knob if Ireland hadn’t backed the monarchy.

Can you say that with certainty? I suspect he would have tried to wring the popeyness out of us either way.

We can’t be sure, and to be fair he’d probably have rather been at home with his wife and kids and relaxed and celebrated ousting the monarchy. We’re also, it must be said massively overly simplifying an immensely complicated situation in Ireland, Britain and the continent. But this is the journal.

Agreed it’s not black and white, and also re: the forum we’re using. Somehow though, I can’t envisage him with the wig off, smoking a pipe in his slippers relaxing. Not with all those pesky papists sneaking about!

By all accounts he was a relatively obscure gentleman farmer at first before the shenanigans of Charles I precipitated the Civil War. If Charles hadn’t been such a knob maybe he wouldn’t have become one. He was as much a product of his times as anyone. The thing that tickles me is that a man with his attitudes to monarchy would probably find much common ground with someone with the attitudes of say, you, military history aside.

You’re totally correct in your assertion. Had the atrocities not been perpetrated here, I would hold an entirely different view of him.

It’s a strange inversion of slogan politics that Cromwell was a good republican who fought against the forces of the crown.

Cúchulainn was the first UVF man too, Terry!

Yeah about those atrocities, you know Drogheda, you know Cromwellian forces breached the walls of the town and by the standards of the day the garrison would be expected to surrender but this garrison, which was mainly made up of English Catholic settlers didn’t and were put to the sword. The Irish, the actual Irish in Drogheda lived in a ghetto and were spared.

In Wexford his troops ran into trouble with another garrison who had supposedly surrendered, but hadn’t, again they were mainly English Catholic settlers (and monarchists of course).

Cromwell actually had a reputation as being a merciful military leader, by the standards of his day, and when towns and garrisons surrendered and kept their word, in such circumstances he’d hang his won men for plunder murder or rape. Kept them disciplined.

And he went through Ireland in 9 months, bit of a whirlwind tour, putting down rebellion and crushing monarchists, went mainly for the officers of those garrisons because he knew that’d encourage the garrisons in the next town to surrender and he could get on. Why? Because he wanted to go home.

Look into the history, you might be surprised, don’t take my word for it. I’m English, you can’t trust us. ;P

And don’t think he’s particularly favored historically by the English, because by and large, we don’t like him either. It’s still not entirely clear where his head is.

Cromwell was a hero in Britain and a murderous savage in Ireland.Depends on which side you were on.I’d go for the latter since I’m an Irish druid and not an British subject.

Damocles,
I’m not sure Ireland backed anyone per se.
English monarchists turned up and claimed Ireland for this or that.

Interesting, that it was other English people Cromwell slaughtered.

I think throughout the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries, before Irish history was allowed to be formally taught, people relied on oral stories and Cromwell always stood out as a sociopath.

Also, remember he brought another gruesome plantation – to hell or to connacht.

Cromwell’s definition of republicanism merely means no monarch or absolute monarch, nothing to do with equality.

As stated:

” We’re also, it must be said massively overly simplifying an immensely complicated situation in Ireland, Britain and the continent. But this is the journal.”

I know Damocles, I was just providing some context about how Cromwell is particularly associated with infamy.

… On his shoulders… Maybe!!!

A dictatorship would indicate that they hold some power. What power for they have.

Yes, it’s known as a constitutional monarchy. Look it up.

Where is Jack Ruby when you need him?

ireland is united, all 26 counties working together in this fantastic country, who cares about that cess pit to the north :D

Leo always sounds like a child’s name…

Wrong country Juan, thats northern Ireland in the UK you are on about. What would i know about that foreign country?

Well said Tommy McDonagh

@tommy macdonagh, I wouldn’t say Ireland loves Lizzie, tolerate and bemused with a smidgen of curiosity maybe. Personally I think the royals are an expensive waste of space who have outlived their usefulness, and I’m saying that as a Brit.

how many people would the irish public line the streets for?

Molly instead we have a garden Gnome missing a fisting rod…

A fishing rod lol.

She is German and the husband is Greek, a Muller Greek Corner then???

Tommy, google “prince philip sex scandals”…