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Nothing to do with child rapes, covering up crimes, allowing them to continue, homophobia, corruption, intimidation, aggression, na?
Evil organisation
@Chris Finn: no nothing to do with that minority, more to do with 2000 years of doctrine and rules set out that never banned women because the were never included. It’s not a democracy them are the rules. You sign up you follow you disagree you find something else to follow
@Jonathan O Neill: have you any evidence that Islam is responsible for such actions in Ireland for the last 200 years? Or are you just deflecting to protect child rapist catholic clergy?
@Chris Finn: Can you judge a group of people on the actions of a few minorities?
@Pat Bateman: in the Australian Royal Commission into child abuse in Australia, accepted as the most globally comprehensive review, catholic orders were found to have credible allegation against up to 40% of their ordained members. This number is also accepted as still being conservative as the church hampered the commission at every avenue. Now, mathematically that is a minority, but it is anything but small.
@Paul Fahey: wow in the space of seconds you’ve gone from dismissing the Islam comment (because it isn’t Ireland or something) to then using the Australian situation yourself. Quite a turnaround.
@Paul Fahey: Firstly I’m not doubting you, but googled the report there and couldn’t find that info, would you mind linking me? Also the 40% statistic applies to ordained members of Catholic orders in Australia. Should we judge a whole religion on that specific demograph?
Just to clarify, I’m in no way religious so this isn’t a biased argument
@AlanH -AFC: Those 2000 years of doctrine have been changed and cherry-picked many times over the centuries so you can’t say “that’s just how it’s always been”.
Hell is a fairly recent invention of the church. There are many other gospels but they leave out the ones where teenage Jesus was a bit of a dick and got a slap on the wrist from Mary when he made Joseph blind for ratting him up about using his powers for not-so-good. Or where St. Peter and Satan had a mid-air superhero battle over Rome after Jesus died. Or where Mary’s mid-wife had her hand dissolved when she checked “down there” to confirm Mary had indeed given birth to this perfect child.
If you think that stuff is mental (and I’m not making it up) it’s only because it hasn’t been drilled in to your head since childhood. It’s no more mental than the stuff you do believe.
So if the church wanted women they could do another round of revisions (like creationists now accept dinosaurs did exist, but they were on the Ark with the other animals). They just don’t want to.
@Pat Bateman: John of God’s, look harder or actually search. Journal also did an article on it.
@Paul Fahey: never heard of sarcasm?
@Paul Fahey: It says John of God’s order was the worst with 40% of its ordained members accused. It doesn’t say credible accusations. When a report of that magnitude comes out, could it be a case that false accusations arise due to the potential of compensation payments? So while that is a very high percentage, thats of one particular order. Its not based on every Catholic around the world. So once again, I ask, can you judge a group of people on the actions of a small minority?
@Pat Bateman: oh dear, keep defending the child rapists. Read the detail of the commission and you will see how they decided on figures to be included.
@Hans Vos: Where is the sarcasm?
@Paul Fahey: I didnt defend any child rapists Paul, can you point me to to part of my comment where I did. I merely defended the innocent people who you implied are child rapists. I take it you accept now that you can’t judge a group by the actions of a small minority?
@Pat Bateman: “judge a group by the actions of a small minority”
This old chestnut. The cover up went right to the top of the church. For you to keep claiming it was a “small minority” is laughable when even the dogs on the street know it was standard practice to keep quiet and move the problem along.
@Oscar Scatters: Okay, so answer me this. 1.25 billion Catholics in the world. How many are child rapists?
@Chris Finn: forgot about the whole thing being makey uppy zombie Jewish sky fairy nonsense
@Pat Bateman: Please stop with your nonsense. Nobody said anything about ALL Catholics being child abusers. The point that’s been made over and over again is that people will try and justify their continuing support for a institution that facilitated and covered up the abuse of children for decades.
The Catholic church is an evil institution and people justify their support by saying things like ” it was just a small minority”. So the only conclusion one is left with is that Catholic are either ignorant or simply don’t care that they support an international peadophile ring.
@Oscar Scatters: I know you never said that. My point is majority of Catholics are good people. Because the majority of humans are good people. You cannot affect the actions of others. So if a small minority are in fact paedophiles, that doesn’t mean everyone in the group is and doesn’t mean everyone in the group supports the paedophiles. That’s the point.
@Pat Bateman: Maybe you don’t support the paedophiles, but you certainly accept them as part of the church and as far as I’m concerned, that’s much the same thing.
@Pat Bateman: If they were such good people then why are they still Catholics? How can you still say this institution is a force of good when it clearly is not. You have to question their motivation for continually supporting this evil institution?
Many people have a relationship with a deity that doesn’t require religion, so with the Catholic church’s history of abuse it makes no sense that “good people” would still want to associate themselves with this evil. It makes absolutely no sense, unless as I have already said they are either ignorant or just don’t care what the church has done.
@Graham.Kavanagh: You can’t just abandon your faith because of the actions of a few people. To say all Catholics accept paedophiles is bizarre
@Pat Bateman: Still you keep trying to push the lie. IT WASN’T A FEW PEOPLE IT WAS STANDARD PRACTICE FROM RIGHT UP TO THE TOP OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TO COVER UP THE ABUSE OF CHILDREN.
@Oscar Scatters: il try explain it you Oscar. Say Person A believes in the bible. Person B also believes in the Bible. If person B commits a terrible crime, should that change person As beliefs?
@Chris Finn: What a perfect description of Islam. Understated if anything.
@Pat Bateman: See there you go again. It wasn’t just one person or a couple of people, the whole institution is complicit in the cover up of abuse. I know you badly want it to be just “a small minority” but it doesn’t stand up. The whole institution is guilty of covering up these heinous crimes.
THE WHOLE INSTITUTION IS GUILTY OF COVERING UP THE ABUSE OF CHILDREN.
@Chris Finn: I think Christ would agree with you there.
@Pat Bateman: they don’t publicly speak out against them?
@Oscar Scatters: So every single Catholic covered up the abuse of children? You are dillusional.
@willypearson: So to oppose something, you have to publicly speak out against it. Okay
@Pat Bateman: “So every single Catholic covered up the abuse of children?”
“So if a small minority are in fact paedophiles”
“I take it you accept now that you can’t judge a group by the actions of a small minority?”
You continue to deny the facts, the church and not a “small minority” covered up the abuse. What would you call that then?
You say you’re not religious so why do you keep trying to diminish the church’s involvement in the cover up by repeating the mantra “a small minority” when it is simply not true. Seems a bit strange for a non religious person to be disingenuous while defending something they have no part in? Strange indeed.
@Oscar Scatters: answer my question I posted at 12.38 please.
@Pat Bateman: If you a part of a group, in the full knowledge of the heinous crimes that group facilitated and covered up against children, then yes you are part of the cover up. Faith doesn’t trump right and wrong.
There are no excuses, you claim membership to an institution that covered up the rape of children then you are not a good person, you are selfish, uncaring person, that cares more about their afterlife than the destruction of countless children’s lives.
So now answer my question Pat, why is a non religious person, a non Catholic willing to lie on a public forum to defend the of an institution they claim to have no part of?
@Oscar Scatters: Just answer my question please. Its a simple yes or no answer. To answer your question, I don’t know. If you’re referring to myself, I havnt lied at all. If you think I have, please tell me specifically what part of my comment has been a lie.
@Pat Bateman: Continuous use of the phrase ” a small minority”.
Non religious? Don’t make me laugh :-)
@Oscar Scatters: still avoiding the question that proves the flaw in your logic?
@Pat Bateman: You have proved my point for me. You’ve exhibited the lengths Catholic’s are willing to go to justify their continuing support for a huge international peadophile ring masquerading as their religion. No Pat people that are fully aware of the crimes of child abuse and continue to support the institution responsible are not good people.
As I keep saying Catholic’s are either ignorant “which is for the most part is unlikely) or don’t care that they support an evil institution. Thanks, your help was greatly appreciated in proving my point. I suppose if you live under the delusion that god forgives all, its’ pretty easy to spread falsehoods and ignore facts. No Catholics are not good people, they are a pretty sick and twisted lot in my opinion.
@Dazz: A paper never refuses ink. You should be a great author of fiction. Should give it a go.
@AlanH -AFC: most people don’t sign up…. they are superstitiously enrolled by parents et al, “confirmed” when still children, and if you write to have yourself relieved of membership, you are ignored.
@AlanH -AFC: well so let’s step back a watch fade away in that case! Good riddance to it anyway.
@Pat Bateman: reviewing your posts I really think you’re struggling with the concept of the Catholic Church (the institution) being distinct from a person of Catholic faith. It was not a small minority of priests as is evidenced by the staggering amount of abuse committed around the world. It was also covered up by those in power within the church and the “normal” priests in the church who saw what was happening did nothing out of self preservation. It is a corrupt misogynistic, vile organisation demanding standards from people it has no hope of achieving itself and peddling archaic fantasies. Your faith is your own business and you’re very welcome to it. That evil organisation is everyone’s business and in my opinion every part of it should be dismantled, sold and the money given to its countless victims. A disgusting cesspit of filth and double standards
@Oscar Scatters: Well pal you’re in murky waters with that argument. I’m a Catholic, I consider myself a good person, I know many good Catholics, good people who happen to be Catholics and who will not take the easy or popular option to abandon something just because certain sinister elements are at work. If people chose to leave or lapse from a faith that is their decision and all the best to them but to attack people who live in peace and chose to follow their own path by spouting baseless innuendo,flippancy and insults feel of intolerance, arrogance or misguided hostility. Go in peace brother.
I love the quote from the film “Kingdom of Heaven” when the Knight Hospitaller says to Bailan:
I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of God. I’ve seen too much religion in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves. And goodness – what God desires – is here [points to Balian’s head] and here[points to Balian’s heart] and by what you decide to do every day you will be a good man…or not.
@Clancy: I prefer a quote from Tommy Tiernan when talking about religion ‘ya know just be sound and don’t be a cu*nt’.
@Johnr: that sums it all up in one easy lesson
I love how all the priests were on yesterday with their fake accounts telling Mary to become a protestant or calling for the pope to excommunicate her ..there’s nothing the church &priests hate more than being told what to do by women. good on Mary for speaking out &holding a mirror up to to their money worship &their perversions but they won’t listen. the only way to get their attention is through money. stop putting money in the baskets &they’ll change the tune pretty quickly
@Dean Anderson: yeah even the RC church are using ‘bots’ now..
@Mark Carroll: People are allowed to have views, its democratic to hold views but if you don’t agree with those views then they need to be bots, why???
Plenty of innocent children had ‘stark’ childhoods as a result of church abuse, problem is that the church never treated their paedophile problem seriously. Stark indeed.
@Frank Cauldhame: And now children will have ’stark’ lives if the are not up to standard or the mother doesn’t want to go through with a pregnancy.
All you need to do is watch the recently released series “The Keepers” on Netflix to see the reality of the power that the RC church reigns down upon state structures in the US in order to protect itself and its previous wrongdoings and to deny justice to victims of horrific abuse! Very little has changed
She is trying her best to be excommunicated and the Pope should oblige her.
@Gregory Curtis: So those who have a different view point should be thrown out? While those who broke their vows and abused children and adults of both sex’s get to be protected…….
@Gregory Curtis: Yes, the pope should do Mary a favour and excommunicate her. It was laughable listening to the priest on Primetime last night talking about how we are all sinners. Who’d want to belong to an organisation that believes that.
@Cindy Crawford: Good woman Cindy, it’s great to have someone perfect on Journal.ie. God knows we could do with a few more like you!
@Cindy Crawford: they always trot out the we’re all sinners line when they’ve no way of answering the truth. it used to justify their complete inaction on child sex abuse, their lies to cover it up &their lip service to victims. notice how they never say it’s about time we stopped sinning &got up &did something honest &good for once but honesty, goodness & humility are not words these devils have in their vocabulary
@Gregory Curtis: excommunication would be an honour !
@Cindy Crawford: the priest they rolled out on prime time will have spent the day under the duvet with the phone turned off.
I’d love to feel bad for him but I can’t.
@Kerry Blake: The Church is made up of people who are human. They rarely are above sinning and that means at all levels. The critics point fingers at sinners but think they are perfect themselves. Everyone is welcome in Christ’s Church but he did say “repent and sin no more”! We don’t want to be told; we think we are in charge and can do whatever we like and still be welcomed with open arms. We stay away rather than change our ways. Having spent years studying all of the issues relating to the Church as well as Catholicism, I believe there are an awful lot of people still living on the few pages they learned from their Confirmation and a lot of hearsay and innuendo. The issue is never discussed below the surface. So easy to throw out the clichés.
@Cindy Crawford: So do you think we are all perfect. Of course we are all less than perfect. You can’t expect priests to be perfect while everyone else is a bit below par. I expect you know about paedophiles (outside of the priesthood), murder, corruption, robbery, rape, incest, cannibalism, torture, manipulation, drunk driving, animal cruelty, child molestation and neglect to name a few. People need to acknowledge humanity and its imperfections.
@Sighle A. Ni Chuana: The RCC believe/believed that a baby was born with original sin. Such a crock of sh*t.
@Gregory Curtis: Bless me father for I have sinned – vocal disquiet is not allowed in case it makes the natives restless.
The likes of Martin will pay lip service to the desirability of equality for women in the Church while at the same time totally accepting that this will never happen.
That’s no good to anyone.
@Brendan O’Brien: Diarmuid needs to read anything by Christopher Hitchens or watch the astounding YouTube clip of Stephen Fry debating religion .
@Quentin Moriarty: Christopher Hitchens lol give me a break, innuendo with bells on it.
It’s time to get this outdated cult out of our public life, our schools, our laws and our politics.
There is a huge vocations problem in the Catholic church worldwide. In Europe and America few young men are becoming priests. Many of the ones who are are mature students with no girl friends. In Africa and S.America becoming a priest quite often gets a student out of poverty. The formation of students in these countries is conducted in a total dictatorial manner. They have absolutely no freedom to express any personal viewpoint and are basically brain washed. The African hierarchy is the most conservative in the world. Recently Cardinal Sarah,tipped to be the next pope,stated that it is totally unacceptable to receive communion in the hand as fragments of the host may fall on the ground. Ireland had a glut of immature undesirable candidates queuing up in the last century to join the priesthood. The consequences were bad to say the least. The same thing is happening now in Africa and S.America but Rome will turn a blind eye as it proudly proclaims that the faith is vibrant in these countries and that vocations are on the up. If Rome continues to ignore the views of people like Mary McAleese then things will only get worse.
I’m a dyed to the bone atheist but, I agree with the man. Maybe the whole religion thing would run a lot better if women within the organisation were held in higher regard than simply ‘bride of Christ’.
@Séa Graham: But Martin isn’t serious about this. If he were, he would try to effect actual change.
@Brendan O’Brien: No doubt. Just crawling his way into the whole women’s day thing.
@Séa Graham: They were at the start, Mary Magdalan was one of the top brass, Some say she was married to Jesus too.Then Pope Gregory comes along and puts it out that she was a prostitute. None of these snake oil salesmen believe a word of what they preach. If they even thought there was a chance of hell being real there’s no way they would carry on like they do. If someone needs to believe in a god or an afterlife then go for it. No harm as long as you don’t force it on others.. But why align yourself with such a corrupt organisation as the catholic church?? It makes no sense.
I think diarmuid is missing the point regarding young people and the church. It is easy access to information and an ingrained capacity for critical thinking due to exposure to technology that has the younger generation apathetic to participation in the catholic faith.
After the impeccable record of the nuns in this country, it’s high time women priests were allowed.
@alphanautica: Terrific point!!
@alphanautica:
Have you googled profiles of Nuns like Mary Aikenhead, Catherine McCauley,Nano Nagle, Margaret Aylward and others . They sacrificed considerable wealth to provide for the poor and were to the forefront of providing Education and Healthcare long before the State took any responsibility for these services. They educated and encouraged girls in particular to enter the Civil Service,Teaching and Nursing. Many prominent women today owe their education to the vision of these women and these pioneering nuns deserve there place in history.
Present day Nuns like Sr.Stan Kennedy, Sr. Consillio continue to care for the Homeless and Alcohol and Drug Addiction. None of these formidably women are responsible for the abuse that happened in the past.
@Aine O Connor: True, there were and are great women who were nuns. But there are many many problems with the way the orders are managed, and their motives are not as pure as they make out to be.
I give as an example an order of hospital nuns – they run a for profit organisation that claims to give good care to those in need – but you’re out on your ear if you don’t have the right sort of insurance or can’t pay. Their nuns were given jobs based on how rich their families were, if they came from poor families they ended up in the kitchens and laundries. If their families were rich they were nurses and matrons – no matter how much skill or how suited they were for the job. I could go on with more examples, but you get the picture
@alphanautica: There are none so blind as those who do not want to see
@alphanautica: did you actually mean impeccable? Magdalen laundries ring a bell?
Ban Religion
@Johnny Mason: Exactly. we get rid of one and another one worse pops up.
@Sean Conway: Could their actually be worse ?
Johnny, I dont think we need to become so toletarian. Im atheist and respect people’s right to a religious belief, whatever creed that may be. Surely we should allow people the chance to view religion and the different forms of it, in their own minds and make a judgement call on it themselves rather than asserting that the state knows best and should decide for them! I do believe that all religions should be ‘regulated’ as such in terms of their structures, finances and transparency. There should be no power alloted to any church by them not being treated in the same manner as other voluntary organisations these days
@Nigel O’Neill: bang on Nigel.
@Nigel O’Neill: I agree but in the mean time they are building the road to Hell and the end is near
@Johnny Mason: If you ban something you just make it popular and cool. Don’t ban religion………………tax it!
@Clancy now your talking
@Nigel O’Neill: Other voluntary organisations….like some of the ones recently in the news for using charity funds to pay for sex?
Gut wrenching memories of my mother and her likes sacrificing essentials to give money to church collections , “Dues” or “little” sisters at the door to feed the luxury of finest ceremonial robes and gold chalices and the likes , which were only props to trick the congregation into acceptance of the the superiority of Church. “We bow before thee”… literally ,
@Terry Cahill: Nothing Christian about that.
@Terry Cahill: If God can be born poor then why can’t the Catholic church reject the world then with its wealth?
When will people wake up? Religion is blind fantasy. Greek gods are as real as Judeo-Christian ones. Stop wasting time and brain power on children’s tales
@Kevin Slater: Credit where its due Kevin, at least the monotheistic religions got closer to the actual number of Gods out there…..
@Kevin Slater: People are afraid of dying that is where Religion and children tales help with the blind fantasy
@Johnny Mason: yep. Reality sucks. Like in the Matrix. Being unplugged is hard but at least you know the truth
@Kevin Slater: Stories that teach us a lot if you open your heart along with your mind. There’s critical thinking and cynical thinking.
Young people just aren’t as gullible as they used to be.
@Rob Cahill: An idea of an afterlife based on the actions of this life helped some to treat others better but without that ideology people will become more selfish and lose their spirituality and purpose for them in life?
@Alois Irlmaier: excuse me but thats pure rubbish. If that was really the case then surely the purveyors of this theory, namely the priests would be shining examples of selflessness and morality for us all. Morals have nothing to do with religion and everything got to do with being inherently sociable animals where in general Morals are beneficial for everyone.
@Rob Cahill: No they’re just twice as narcissistic. If it’s not staring back through a cell phone or tablet it ain’t worth knowing.
@Gerard Smith: That is because the Catholic church has lost its way with the Bible and with Christ, they don’t believe what they teach and that could be why because the church has become too worldly?
Collection of pedo’s, is that stark enough for you??
The same Church right now in America is fighting against states removing the statute of limitations because they are afraid of how much money they will lose because of it. And they wonder why their flock is disappearing.
@Rob Cahill: Christianity has become a tool to make money, it has lost its core to greed and control, which are both obnoxious to what Christ stood for. I would think Christ would be sick to his stomach over an organisation promoting, protecting and encouraging pedos in his name?
Exactly, and American clergy thought that their insurance companies would pay off their accusers – until the insurers realised the sheer scale of the abuse and stopped insuring them against being sued for child abuse. Interestingly, they didn’t care about the lifelong damage they did to people who couldn’t stop them. They were only held liable for money losses.
Don’t normally agree with Mary mc Aleese but she 100% right .
The Catholic Church isn’t a democracy and neither is God, the core of the three main religions is faith, that sacrificial behaviour is the price of faith and that is why there is celibacy, fasting, repentance because it is a sign of faith and that is what religion is. That is why it isn’t a democracy or a club, religion is about god at its centre and it isn’t about people at its centre as that would be praising people instead of God and that is why we have celebrities instead (lol). It is seen with RTE’s Angelus becoming the peoples Angelus, no its not the Angelus is the Blessed Virgins and not the peoples and the same goes for all things religious. Religion is about sacrifice at its core as Christ on the Cross shows to personal sacrifices that people do at Lent. When religion turns into a democracy then it dies and the Priesthood is about sacrifice but too many people just want religion for a public show for themselves, they use religion for self glorification due to social standing instead of serving the priesthood of Christ. I think that is why many join it because of arrogance and social standing and that might be why many women might want to join it as well as many having a caring nature but that is not what the priesthood is about as it is about sacrifice for faith. That is what the Catholic suppose to be about but they all have lost their path in the world as they have left the path of faith for worldly things as the Vatican bank can demonstrate. Religion is about God first, others second and yourself last but this debate is about me before God and that doesn’t define religion. People try to turn things into what they want them to be, they try to control others but when does the one or few tell the many or the mass what to do, think or feel, those who do are classed as bullies sometimes. It is normally people who don’t understand things that they want to change that do the most harm. People get confuse about democracy, they want to turn the Catholic church into a democracy and at the same time ignore the EU and the IMF have undemocratic control over our governments and say nothing about that?
@Alois Irlmaier: If the Church really is guaranteed by Christ to last forever and its afraid to become a democracy then how much faith has it got?
@Patrick Gormley: The Church now is not like the early Church or even what it represents, no church is because all they want is control and money… and their own way.
The church is a shepherd who looks after his flock / sheep, in a democracy the sheep look after themselves but they can’t because that isn’t how a church works. People choose the Church because of what it represents and it looses its flock when the church tries to become a follower rather than a leader. It is about spirituality rather than democracy and spirituality is about finding a higher power to feel part of something bigger, that there is more than social existence. People have to ask themselves if they want to follow Christ or to follow a group who tells them who they are suppose to be. Is being a Catholic an excuse to be part of a social group or is it part of trying to be a follower of Christ. Religion is the organisation of spirituality through control and through money, religion and spirituality is about following based on faith. Democracy is about belonging in a social context and choosing who we follow by deciding on who we want to follow so democracy is a choice and religion is an acceptance. People mix the two up because religion now is about expressing who we are by turning religion into a group / social identity we wear as a badge to say who we are to ourselves and to others while it use to mean a deeper personal belief about an inner life that was spiritual in nature. Religion has lost its spiritual nature and has turned from the inner world to the material world and they are not the same. There are two churches, the physical church here that follows death to become the spiritual church in heaven as the book of Revelation describes because it represents peoples faith in Christ and represents those people who share a same belief in Christ. The faith of the church is in Christ and not in the people, the church represents the belief in Christ. Christ isn’t chosen like in a democracy it is followed through faith and that is how it is as a body of people. The early church was based on the Bible and a lot of what people want the Catholic church to be goes against what the Bible says, so does the church choose between the Bible or people, if it chooses people then it denies the Bible. So what has the church become when it denies what has created it?
@Alois Irlmaier: very well versed! Thank you..
“Probably the most significant negative factor that influences attitudes to the Church in today’s Ireland is the place of women in the Church.”
No, Archbishop.
Its the second most significant negative factor.
Bias against married people also
Mcaleese wats good role models for women in the church. joan of arc. mary the 1st of england. that’s two.
@Sean Conway: Joan of Arc was mentally ill
@Kal Ipers: anyone who has visions or hears voices is mentally ill. that includes apparitions, be they in Portugal or mayo
@Sean Conway: mother Teresa is the priests favourite as the ideal woman. kept her gob shut &stored up millions in donations from rich yanks while traveling the word first class& then giving the sick &those in agony a quick bath before sending them off to eternity with a wave of the hand &then shout “Next!! “ for the next poor unfortunate soul begging for some pain relief but refused medication ..
@Dean Anderson: We should teach kids in school about the origins of how tribes adopted deities to control them when the tribes became ungovernable. and how the most successfull ones are still with us today.
@Kal Ipers: So is Mary.
@Julian Friesel: The question is are they ill if they can predict the future as many Saints have done???
There was I thinking women were on the way to greater things………….then they announced they wanted to become priests.
Hilarious!!
@Jack Jackson: haha I have better things to be doing…
What do I think of rational discourse? I think it would be a good idea.
@Garreth Byrne: But faith isn’t rational, is it?
We’ll said Archbishop Martin, however I fear the stomach for significant reform is there among too few. It’s time to get back to the basics of Christ’s teaching and ask that question “what would Jesus do?”
We need to get scientifically real about this whole men/women rigmarole in Christian, Jewish or Muslim religions, however “brutally stark” it may seem to anyone.
Watching a BBC4 TV Horizon programme asking “Is Your Brain Male or Female?” on the same night as Womens’ International Day and as of the same day that Mrs. McAleese’s made her “Outside the Vatican Walls” Speech, it was scientifically shown that:
(i) Women are far better at multi-tasking than men – which is why they are best as child-minders, home-makers, cooks, hospital nurses and as office or company secretaries (i.e. boss-minders) etc
(I once knew a woman, a company director’s PRO, who could listen to, and join in, two separate conversations at the same time and could later write down all she heard for filing. Astonished, and asking her about that, she told me lots of women can do that)
(ii) Men are far better at tasks and at acute decision-making than women – which is why they are better at hard craftworking, at speaking in an authoritive deep male voice – and at management
(*My own aside-opinion: It may be the ‘why’ Christ only choose men to be the first Apostles and why the RCC, Orthodox, Judaic and Islamic Churches all traditionally choose men as church leaders to this day and the ‘why’ that the RCC (with its “We do not have authority” argument of the RCC) and other Abrahamic Churches feel they cannot ordain women to the priesthood or bishopric levels. The Anglican Church and other Protestant Churches broke that tradition, to what gain I don’t know and am yet open to learn.
Personally, I don’t have a problem with women-priests or with married priests in any of the Christian churches – but that’s just my own opinion)
(iii) Despite going through huge pain during childbirth, women are otherwise less tolerable of pain than men – which is why women are not good battlefield-soldier material and shout loudest when men on the battlefield, or in a violent domestic home situation, don’t protect them or just in a dish-washing, clothes-washing or baby-minding responsibility domestic argument
(iv) Men are best as leaders and providers.
The upshot of the “Is Your Brain Male or Female?” programme was that males and females naturally compliment and need each other in different ways but not in equal ways.
Please don’t argue back at me on this. Pick any of your arguments up with the Horizon programme’s scientific findings.
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29405467
@Jengis O’Can:
Added post:
For ignoramuses out there, ‘Horizon’ is the BBC TV’s on-going series of fully-scientific programmes, given in ordinary language that all can understand and relate to. It includes scientific studies and experimants on just about anything in and of scientific research – humankind, religion, environment, medicine, physics and chemistry laboratory experiments, the stars, the earth, the moon, the sun and loads more. Always a fascinating programme to watch and learn from, whatever the topic.
If the research results shown in the “Is Your Brain Male or Female?” Horizon TV programme are proven scientific facts about male and female brains and how they work, why should women like Mrs. McAleese seek equality with men – or men seek equality with women – when our human brains, our physical and physiological attributes, and our brain-thinkings are so clearly scientifically, factually different between males and females?
It might be brutally Stark to the Archbishop, but true nonetheless.
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