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Icelanders are still feeling angry, hurt and disappointed after a bizarre few weeks

In the wake of the Panama Papers controversy, what’s the national mood in Iceland? TheJournal.ie visited, to find out.

EXASPERATED ICELANDERS MAY have run out of patience with their politicians in the wake of the Panama Papers controversy, but it appears unlikely they’ll run out of ways to describe snow any time soon.

As in most Nordic societies, there are dozens of words (as many as 46, by some accounts) for the white stuff in Icelandic. Mjöll, for instance, is the term used to describe a fresh snowfall. Frozen, icy snow is Hjarn.

Further down the list, you wouldn’t want to encounter the wet and deep Bleytuslag without a good pair of boots. Even less desirable is Krap – a half-melted rain-sodden slush that forms deep puddles across roadways, making travel miserable.

If you were to try and sum up how most Icelanders are feeling right now, weeks after seeing their country hit the international headlines again for all the wrong reasons, ‘Krap’ would probably do nicely.

Iceland Volcano A horse walks through falling snow near the town of Hvolsvollur, Iceland. Associated Press Associated Press

“Angry” and “frustrated” were words that came up again and again in conversations with Icelanders on the streets of Reykjavik, as TheJournal.ie paid a visit last week.

After an improvement in its fortunes in recent years following the disastrous 2008 crash, there had been a sense in the country that Iceland’s days of international financial scandal were firmly in the past.

That was before their prime minister, Sigmundur David Gunnlaugsson, became the first political scalp of the Panama Papers saga – spectacularly imploding under the TV lights when grilled about an offshore company with links to failed banks, then resigning in a huff after days of messy meetings and confusing public announcements.

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The fact that the PM had been a staunch campaigner against the foreign creditors haunting Iceland in the years following the crash underscored the public shock and anger at the disclosures about his finances.

Some 20,000 furious voters (almost 10% of the country’s adult population) staged a mass demonstration outside the parliament building in central Reykjavik, pelting the building with eggs, yoghurt and fish heads.

The ‘miracle’ of Iceland? 

Articles touting the ‘miracle’ of the Icelandic recovery have appeared in a number of major newspapers and financial magazines in the years since the depths of a crisis that saw unemployment soar, the currency crash and the country’s stock market all but wiped out.

And while it’s true that the tiny Nordic country bounced back from disaster in startlingly quick fashion after letting its three major banks fail, Icelanders also had to endure years of political turmoil in the meantime.

In the aftermath of the Panama Papers controversy, support for the unlikely-sounding Pirate Party, which campaigns for greater transparency in public life, surged to 43% in an opinion poll – signalling yet more drama ahead for Iceland.

So – as the dust settles on the offshore scandal and their disgraced former PM prepares for a return to the spotlight, how are our friends in the north feeling about being dragged into the international headlines once again?

Will voters take up the Pirate flag? And what are the implications for the rest of Europe?

pirates Smári McCarthy, Helgi Hrafn Gunnarsson and Jón Þór Ólafsson of the Pirates. Pirate Party Iceland Pirate Party Iceland

A particular hypocrisy

So why were Icelanders so angry at the Panama revelations?

Gunnlaugsson, the former PM, had been a champion of the Icelandic Krona and a fierce critic of foreign creditors in the years before taking office.

As the country fought its way back to prosperity in the years after the crash, the ex-TV journalist rose to prominence as one of the leaders of the InDefence group, which was opposed to using public cash to reimburse British and Dutch depositors in failed banking operation Icesave.

The public twice rejected repayment terms for the British and Dutch governments, and a European court eventually found in Iceland’s favour in 2013 after years of diplomatic wrangling – essentially proving Gunnlaugsson right.

Iceland Offshore Accounts Thousands of people took part in protests outside parliament in Reykjavik in the wake of the Panama Papers revelations. Associated Press Associated Press

After narrowly winning a vote to lead the centre-right Progressives in 2009, the political neophyte built up his experience and increased support for his party during four years in opposition – leading them into coalition with another centre-right grouping, the Independence Party, to become the country’s youngest ever leader at the age of 38.

“He managed to take the party from having something like 14% in the polls to 25% – a solid performance,” politics lecturer at the University of Iceland Stefania Oskarsdottir explained.

From the outside it seemed to many people he was a very attractive person… What he stood for was mortgage relief and screw the foreigners – the banks.

Iceland Election Sigmundur David Gunnlaugsson, left, and Independence leader Party Bjarni Benediktsson pictured in the wake of the 2013 election. Associated Press Associated Press

The leaked Panama Papers, details of which were revealed by the International Consortium of Journalists last month, showed that the campaigner-turned-prime minister had hidden a major conflict of interest throughout his years as an MP.

He and his wife had bought the offshore company Wintris in 2007 to invest millions of dollars of money she had inherited. Gunnlaugsson sold his share of the company to his wife months after entering parliament.

At the heart of the controversy is the fact that the company had significant investments in the bonds of the three major Icelandic banks that collapsed during the financial crisis, which began in 2008.

Wintris was listed as a creditor with millions of dollars of claims in the failed banks’ estates. As prime minister, Gunnlaugsson’s involvement in negotiations about the banks could have affected the value of the bonds held by Wintris.

Responding to the revelations, Gunnlaugsson’s spokesman said the former leader’s policies had put the interests of the Icelandic people ahead of the interests of the failed banks’ creditors. However, it’s unclear what impact his actions would have had. The question “is a real tricky one” Thorolfur Matthiasson, an economist at the University of Iceland, told the International Consortium of Journalists.

Last month, his inept response to questions on the company in what amounted to an ‘ambush’ interview by Swedish public television did him no favours, and quickly went viral as the Panama revelations made their initial impact.

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Mismanaged

What really confounded observers in Iceland was the fact that that interview had been recorded almost a full month before it was aired, in full, as part of a hard-hitting documentary – and that Gunnlaugsson had made no serious attempts to put forward his side of the story in the intervening weeks.

His wife, Anna Sigurlaug Palsdóttir, apparently out of the blue, had put out a statement on 15 March announcing she owned a company “registered abroad” and saying her husband had mistakenly once been registered as a co-owner.

But the PM studiously avoided all questions.

The matter came to a head on the evening of Sunday 3 April, when 98% of TV viewers (literally half the nation) tuned in to watch that explosive documentary.

“He mismanaged the whole affair,” according to Oskarsdottir.

Maybe it could not be managed – but he did not do a very good job.

20160517_113424 Politics lecturer at the University of Iceland Stefania Oskarsdottir. Daragh Brophy Daragh Brophy

The prime minister, Oskarsdottir explained, had always had a combative relationship with the media – and may have thought he could talk his way out of the situation. But the damage was irreversible.

“People were emotionally affected… These emotions, they hit the media people as well as the public – And he felt it.

“What he might have done – he had all this time – he might have just shown his tax records like Cameron did or something.

He didn’t. On Monday he just came back and said ‘oh yeah, I’m sorry I messed up, I gave a lousy interview’.

A bizarre sequence of events followed over the next few days – and the Icelandic and international media struggled to follow what was going on.

resign1 Slate's take on the confusion in Iceland in the wake of the PM's departure. Slate Slate

First came the mass protests. Shortly afterwards, an attempt by Gunnlaugsson to dissolve the government and call fresh elections was rejected by the country’s president.

Later, his party announced that their embattled leader would be stepping aside as prime minister and that the agriculture and fisheries minister Sigurdur Ingi Johannsson would be taking over.

But a statement from the outgoing PM threw the entire nation into a state of confusion the same evening – as he insisted he had not “resigned” but that Johannsson was merely taking over as leader for the moment.

It eventually became clear that Gunnlaugsson intended to stay on as party leader – and as talks continued, it was confirmed the coalition of Progressives and Independents would remain in power.

Elections, which had been due to take place next year, have been brought forward to October.

car1 Gunnlaugsson dodges cameras to make his way to his car. Screengrab Screengrab

It was a tawdry turn of events, according to Oskarsdottir. Yet again, the combative leader failed to cover himself in glory.

“After the meeting with the president, he got into his car and went to a meeting with his own parliamentary grouping. When he got out of that meeting he was no longer the prime minister. But he did not stop and tell anybody.

“There was no announcement, no press conference.

“He just said something has been decided and you will learn about it and then he ran down the stairs and into his car.

“Reporters were chasing him. There was no dignity in his departure. So by [that] evening we knew that he had been replaced by his deputy chairman – but there was a press release that came out of the prime minister’s office that he was still the prime minister, which was technically right. He was still the prime minister until the next day

That was confusing. It was very mishandled, the whole thing.

After a month essentially ‘on vacation’ and away from the spotlight Gunnlaugsson said this week he intends to travel the country and drum up support as he attempts a political comeback.

His party will need to arrange an early conference to replace him as leader – but if they don’t, the consensus appears to be that they’re in line for an electoral wipeout.

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What happens next?

Even before the Panama Papers controversy, Gunnlaugsson and his party had started to slide in the polls. As journalist Sigrun Davidsdottir notes in the English-language Iceland Review, the former PM had caused a surge in support in 2013 “by promising billions for the public purse from the resolution of the old banks’ estates”.

It quickly showed to be a feeble promise: household loans were not reduced as greatly as promised and not, as promised, financed by funds from the failed banks but by a levy on all banks and borrowers’s own private savings.

The coalition immediately preceding this one was made up of the Left-Greens and Social Democrats – meaning voters in the country have taken a punt on pretty much all of the available government-forming options in the years since the crash.

That fact, combined with a growing sense that real power in Iceland rests within a small well-connected coterie of families within the traditional ruling class, has led to a surge in support for the Pirates – previously a fringe concern, at best – over the last year or so.

Though it currently has just three MPs, support for the grouping has been hovering around the 30% mark since April of last year – and surged to over 40% in the wake of the Panama revelations.

Formed in the wake of the international anti-copyright Pirate movement four years ago, the party had its first legislative triumph last year with the repeal of the country’s blasphemy laws.

In an interview at the Althingi parliament building, Pirate MP Asta Helgadottir summed up the national mood as one of “disappointment and hurt”.

That’s more or less how people are feeling – betrayed promises, disappointment. That your kid was lying to you about their homework and then they’d dropped out of school – something like that… A sense that ‘why can’t we just do things properly’.

There was a clear conflict of interest at play, Helgadottir said – adding that the former prime minister’s behaviour showed that he was not just hypocritical, but out of touch with the experience of the average person.

“Look at what he has been saying for the last few years – that we should not join the EU, that we should use the Icelandic Kroner, that the Icelandic Kroner is great and that it will help us. But they – they don’t really have to live by those standards.

“They have gold somewhere else. This is not normal for the normal Icelander.”

The credit controls brought in in the wake of the crash mean that, for most people, financial planning is a little more mundane.

I have to have a flight ticket to prove that I’m going out of the country to get… I think six thousand euros is the max? And I have to order it in advance, because of course they’re trying to limit the flow of cash in this country.

20160517_163025 Asta Helgadóttir Daragh Brophy Daragh Brophy

According to another veteran activist – if there are any positives to take away from Iceland’s latest political drama, it’s that people are becoming far more engaged in public affairs.

Hördur Torfason, who led the ‘Kitchenware’ protests of 2008/2009 that culminated in the fall of the crisis-era government, said he was not surprised by the revelations.

“I’ve spoken to many people and they’ve all said that this would never have happened before 2008 –  because people before that time people didn’t believe in protests, they didn’t believe they could work.

Nothing happens unless the majority of people understand what’s going on, and it takes time. And I think that time is coming now that people are really understanding what’s going on, if you see how things are going with the Pirate Party.

20160517_150041 Hördur Torfason Daragh Brophy Daragh Brophy

The next few months will be critical for the Pirates, as they prepare for the autumn elections.

While some commentators contend the movement’s success could have an impact far beyond Iceland’s borders, the three MPs leading the party have to adjust to the realities of having a far bigger organisation to manage.

“Regular people have support for direct democracy and more transparency,” Oskarsdottir, the university lecturer, said.

The rest [of the Pirate's policies are] sort of shrouded in mystery – you don’t know if it’s left or right.

Helgadottir, the Pirate MP, concedes some of their new support “is just protest”. But they’re having an impact on government already, she says.

Other parties have actually adopted a more liberal stance when it comes to things like decriminalisation of drugs, about things like transparency.

Iceland Offshore Accounts Associated Press Associated Press

Icelanders are bracing themselves for more possible financial controversies in the months to come, meanwhile.

They don’t really seem to have the expression “the dogs in the street…” in Reykjavik – but locals who gave us their take on the situation said they wouldn’t be particularly surprised to hear of further revelations from the ranks of the ruling class.

A poll last month found that two thirds of voters trust the new government “very little or not at all”.

Torfason, the man who led the 2008-9 protests, said that while the downfall of the former prime minister may have generated some spectacular headlines – it really shouldn’t have come as any major surprise, given what the country has been through.

This is something that before 2009,  a long time before, we have grown up with in this society and have been dealing with it.

Iceland’s business and ruling elites had, for generations, moved in the same circles and gone to the same schools, he said.

So when it came to the PM’s prime-time TV implosion: “I was waiting for it.”

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 5:52 PM

    Backed to the teeth by Uncle Sam…

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:25 PM

    Good on Uncle Sam.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:28 PM

    The shy retiring Benny Netanyahu pushed through a law recently allowing the IDF to shoot stone throwers with live rounds.Awaiting a lot of deaths over the next few days.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/25/israel-live-ammunition-measures

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:31 PM

    America’s bed buddies like two peas in a pod when it comes to barbarism.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 7:08 PM

    The world has stood by and allowed Israel freereign over the Palestinians. The have been left no choice but to resort to violence. Its only those who have no clue who could support the terror rained down by Israel. Isnt it also illegal to settle on Palestinian land? Those people should not have been there.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 7:51 PM

    @ hypernova… if you got a slap of half a brick in the face it might make you want to shoot the b******d…….its not “pebbles “

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 7:58 PM

    I like how the journal have a lengthly article about the Jews injuring a few Arabs yet didn’t have any report of the couple being shot in front of their kids until now!

    You stay classy journal!

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 8:00 PM

    Also does this headline suggest that the couple being shot dead in front of their kids was a form of “Protest”

    Sick, just sick!

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 8:05 PM

    @Bill Madden. Elderly Israeli murdered by Killer Rock-throwers just 2 weeks ago.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 8:15 PM

    @ Patrick: 800+ children murdered by Israeli killer bomb throwers last year.

    Your point is?

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 8:40 PM

    @For Connolly. Read the posts from Hypernova to Bill Madden to myself and if you can’t you connect the dots you can’t be helped.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 9:03 PM

    &Patrick,

    What happened to the Israeli settlers who burned alive the Palestinian family, father and children several weeks ago…..look it up research it and look for the justice and hypo racy.

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    Oct 4th 2015, 12:51 AM

    muslim youth stab four members of a jewish family today killing their dad,just for walking past a mosque.Not reported either

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 5:51 PM

    Zionist terrorists

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:00 PM

    So it’s okay to shoot an unarmed innocent couple in their car in front of their 4 children ? The authorities are supposed to sit back and do nothing in the hunt for these cold blooded murderers?

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:05 PM

    A man was shot in front of his 4 kids. I would hope that Israel would do anything within it’s power to find the actual terrorists.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:09 PM

    “So it’s okay to shoot an unarmed innocent couple in their car in front of their 4 children ? ”

    Don’t recall the bloke saying that alan.

    He used two words, Zionist terroritsts, both of which are demonstrably true.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:26 PM

    I’m not saying they deserved to be sot, no one does, but they were living on occupied land.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:27 PM

    No answer jamiing, but I suppose sweeping statements us all your good for, oh and stalking people.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:28 PM

    Terrorism – the act of using violence, intimidation and fear for political ends.

    The heavy handed tactics of the jackbooted thugs of the IDF is terrorism 101.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:28 PM

    So Palestinians are all innocent? …It is your hatred Anna bigotry one way?

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:28 PM

    Deborah. That’s exactly what you are saying. I’m not a racist but….

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:32 PM

    Share us with is the act of terrorism in this story jamming. I know facts aren’t your forte but the terrorism was the murder of a father of 4. In front of his kids. And you defend this barbarism. You’re a sick man.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:43 PM

    @ Jon, it’s ok you can call them Jewish terrorists, we all know that’s what people mean! The same old crap, bad Jew good Arab/gentile, they have been listening to that old cobblers since the Romans expelled the Jews from their homeland (what SOME of you clowns “occupied” Jerusalem /West Bank!

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:44 PM

    well western Poland is occupied German East Prussia good bit of Croatia is occupied Serbia for instance

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:44 PM

    You are saying it Deborah

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:46 PM

    Isn’t that what the real Connolly did ? , use terrorism for political ends

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 7:58 PM

    Israel are the real terrorists. No Israeli should be in this land, they are illegally occupying it. That is not just me stating that, but the international community, see UN Resolution 242. Ironic to see the attacker spared the children here yet Israel have no problem dropping 1ton bombs on civilian neighbourhoods..

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 8:24 PM

    @Chris Jordan. That is not the UN”s position at all at all. See below UN 242 resolution,etc.
    —”The “occupation” of the West Bank and Gaza was not an occupation of Palestinian territory. It simply retook these two areas from the Jordanians and the Egyptians, who had been occupying them since 1948. Today, Gaza has been wholly given over to the Palestinian people. The Israeli administration of the West Bank is totally legal under international law and is endorsed by UN Resolution 242 (1967), which makes it clear that Israel has to move out from only some of the territory, and that only once the Palestinians have agreed to final and secure borders for Israel, and have recognized the state of Israel — something they have never done. It is also legalized under the Israel-Jordan peace treaty of 1987 and the 1993 and 1995 Oslo Accords.—”
    Those who need a good brush up on the Arab/Israeli conflict I recommend the article by distinguished Irish writer Denis MacEoin in link below..
    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6584/palestinian-lies

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 8:48 PM

    Said it before say it again Started with crucifying Jesus in favor of a terrorist and haven’t changed since …

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 8:58 PM

    Here is an actual excerpt from the resolution Patrick

    “Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:

    Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict

    Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;

    The state of Palestine includes the West Bank and Gaza. The above is related to, though not in its entirety the lands of the West Bank forcibly occupied by Israel in 1967. Not Judea and Samaria it is the West Bank, Palestine.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 10:23 PM

    No no Jon, sure only Muslims can be terrorists! Everyone knows that.

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    Oct 4th 2015, 1:18 AM

    @Chris Jordan.Source please?

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    Oct 4th 2015, 12:00 PM

    @ Patrick. IT IS IN THE RESOLUTION explicitly, verbatim, word for word. Not from an anti Palestinian website that you have linked from. The actual UN..

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    Oct 4th 2015, 8:55 PM

    And since you are well versed in this Chris, I’m sure you’re aware that UN resolutions have absolutely no legal standing whatsoever. So you have no argument.

    No document has ever changed Israel’s right to all of Palestine.

    By the way calling it the west bank is actually worse than calling Derry Londonderry. The West Bank was an invented name by the Arabs from their illegal occupation only 60 years ago. It has zero historical significance

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:03 PM

    I hope the Israelis catch the killers. Naturally, Hamas praised the killing of the 2 parents.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:10 PM

    To be fair most people in the west bank support HAMAS They would win any election there

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:49 PM

    Of course Hamas would win any election sure didn’t they murder all the opposition

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 7:31 PM

    They probably deserved it Clifford

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 8:14 PM

    @Clifford Brennan. Not only praise but they had a big celebration.
    —’Disgusting: Palestinians launched fireworks on Thursday to celebrate the brutal slaying of an Israeli couple in a shooting attack.

    By Shiryn Ghermezian, algemeiner.com

    Throngs of Palestinians took to the streets on Thursday night to celebrate the brutal slaying of an Israeli couple in a shooting attack in the West Bank.

    The festivities included the launching of fireworks and the waving of flags in the streets, Ofir Gendelman, a spokesperson for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said.
    Disgusting: Palestinians launched fireworks on Thursday to celebrate the brutal slaying of an Israeli couple in a shooting attack.By Shiryn Ghermezian, algemeiner.com

    http://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=37292&alias=arabs-celebrate-couples-murder

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 8:19 PM

    Any non-Zionist news sources Patrick?

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 8:26 PM

    can’t fathom that.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:05 PM

    So the murder of a man in front of his kids is ok because he is Jewish?

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:41 PM

    did you see the video of 2 journalists being attacked by the IDF 2 days ago. Google it and watch it. they take the cameras and flash cards off them and destroy them. fortunately they were caught on camera. AFP are doing their nut over it. oh and they give them a few skelps across the head for good measure too all at gunpoint. imagine what they do when there are no cameras around.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 8:04 PM

    Most military forces would do that to people recording them… And I think “attack” is a bit of an extremist idea.

    Like Hammas!

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:09 PM

    I hope the murderers are caught soon.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:57 PM

    The ones in Uniform shooting live rounds at stone throwing kids who had their parents land stolen.

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    Oct 4th 2015, 9:13 PM

    Luckily for them ghey have 23 other arab states to go to! Enjoy :)

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:07 PM

    not even proof reading your headlines anymore

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:32 PM

    So it’s ok to kill someone simple because he is Jewish, Marc?

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:42 PM

    Both parents were murdered.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:16 PM

    waiting for patrick. tick tock tick tock.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:20 PM

    ok. he’s obviously gone to read the manual on how to respond to this situation so I’ll give it a go for him. hamas fire rockets, hide in schools and churches and hospitals, dress jihadis in kids clothes and send them onto a beach with a football bomb to kill Israelis, mohomed makes them do it, want all israel dead blah blah blah, South Sudan , islamapologists boo hoo hoo america right Russia wrong barrel bombs Iran bad

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:38 PM

    It seems to be OK to murder Muslims though, the IDF and ‘settlers’ average six a week, there never seems to be the same response from the security(occupation) forces then.the procedure if a ‘settler’ is firing on Palestinians is to wait for them to run out of ammunition and then arrest them, not surprisingly they are not so tolerant when the situation is reversed

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:58 PM

    The real descendants of Abraham are mostly the Palestinians living in and around modern day Israel. The modern day Jews are a Russian race who were dispersed throughout Europe and finally to Israel after WWII. None of their ancestors come from Israel. This is fact. A Jewish historian spent 30 years researching this.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 9:26 PM

    Og you are an idiot keep quiet until you know what you are talking about , everything you have said is incorrect

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 11:02 PM

    Look up the Khazars, Mike. They’re the ancestors of the “white Jews”.

    Can you dispute DNA evidence?

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:40 PM

    Great to see your anti semitism out in public Marc. Your parents will be proud. I see you’re a NASA fan. All those Jewish engineers and scientists must really hurt your feelings

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 7:43 PM

    Israel must be stopped, this is going on too long.

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    Oct 4th 2015, 1:05 AM

    Hamas need to be stopped. They are as bad as ISIS.

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    Oct 4th 2015, 9:12 PM

    They are worse than ISIS. There are people in this very comment thread who agree with their cause. That is far more dangerous

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:32 PM

    Marc get help.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:25 PM

    Haaretz reporting that an orthodox family of 4 stabbed in Jerusalem today, including a 2 year Zionist terrorist. Attacker shot dead by security services.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 7:21 PM

    The Palestinians murdered this evening 2 Israeli civilians and wounded a tourist (Yes, just like the radical islamist in Tunis…) Yesterday the Palestinians killed a young Israeli couple – again Jews – in front of the eyes of their 4 children!!!! Why don’t you write a word about it???? How can you be so baised? it’s not fair! This anti Israel obsession is called Antisemitism! Do you get it? I bet you won’t even publish my comment and remove me forever from your comment section. If you do that – God (if exists) will get even with you… Don’t be surprised…

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 7:29 PM

    antisemitism antimuslim antichristian aunty Mary. it’s all here in the journal. you get used to it. and welcome to the journal.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 7:37 PM

    Everytime somebody stands up to Israel we here this term “antisemite”. The Palestinians have more semite blood than the Jews. Look it up. The educated Jews will also tell you this. This does not however sit well with the military who want to wipe the Palestinians from the face of the earth. Their words, not mine.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 7:46 PM

    @ Meital : Finding Israels treatment of the Palestinians disgusting and unacceptable makes you an anti-Semite in the same way that finding Bill Cosbys alleged treatment of women disgusting and unacceptable makes you a racist.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 7:56 PM

    Go to hell meitel your God is waiting

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 9:22 PM

    Spot on Meital , completely agree with you , don’t mind the crowd here they are mostly Shinners who are best friends with Hamas , for all its faults Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:34 PM

    Machine head superiority complex were have we seen that before. Germany last century.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:33 PM

    Yes.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 6:28 PM

    Yes

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 7:33 PM

    Marc that’s a bit too far. Israel as a people aren’t responsible for the actions of a few. most of them don’t want trouble with the palestinians. it’s just sad that the minority are calling the shots. no more than we are not all clowns because of some eijits in the Dail that decided irish water would be a good idea.

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 8:06 PM

    Joe your probably right I’m going too far only because I’m repulsed with the Israelis treatment of the Palestinian people

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 7:03 PM

    Left if it’s anti Semitic to be utterly repulsed by isreals campaign of terror on weaker force then I’ll wear that badge with honour

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 7:12 PM

    It’s vile that some dirt bags on here agree with that idiot dating that is ok to murder someone who’s Jewish. …..No wonder Israel exists And is what it is. …

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    Oct 3rd 2015, 7:15 PM

    but murder of a man in front of his kids is also that badge marc.

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    Oct 4th 2015, 5:35 AM

    What can you expect from an apartheid regime?

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    Oct 4th 2015, 2:46 AM

    Xionazism.

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