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The Age

Australian sports chief apologises for joking about 'drowning' this journalist

He described her as a “black widow”, and his comments have caused a kerfuffle in Australia.

POWERFUL AUSTRALIAN RULES figure Eddie McGuire has apologised for joking about drowning a woman journalist, with the male-dominated sport’s chief admitting “we still have a long way to go”.

McGuire, president of popular club Collingwood, made the remarks about The Age’s chief AFL writer Caroline Wilson while talking about a charity fundraiser in which personalities plunge into a freezing pool.

During a radio show, McGuire said he would pay Aus$20,000 to see Wilson slide into the water, adding “if she stays under”, he would lift it to $50,000, prompting one of the panel to offer to “hold her under”.

Amid raucous laughter, McGuire went on to criticise Wilson, saying:

She’s like the black widow. She just sucks you in and gets you and you start talking to her and then bang! She gets you.

He backtracked today after the AFL warned his language could be seen as supporting violence against women.

“I apologise and retract them in the spirit of what we’re trying to achieve, which is to look after women and children in our community,” he told commercial radio station Triple M.

“Anything at all that can be perceived to promulgate or support, even in a light-hearted manner, domestic violence is unacceptable.”

AFL chief Gillon McLachlan said he had spoken to McGuire, and while he did not ask him to stand down, he said the sport, which will start a women’s league in 2017, still had a long way to go.

“We can’t say that we as an industry have a commitment to making change if we don’t step up and call it out. Words and jokes have incredible power,” he told a media conference in Melbourne.

‘Casual violent banter’

McLachlan praised Wilson as a role model who had broken down barriers for women journalists.

“The fact that the comments were made on radio a week ago and were not called out is an indictment on everyone working in football,” he said.

That we can still argue they were done in jest shows a lack of understanding of this issue.

Wilson, who recently penned a column suggesting McGuire come up with a succession plan for the Collingwood presidency, said the words had taken her back to days past when such comments would sink without trace.

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But she said:

To let his so-called jokey banter get through without trying to explain why language like McGuire’s is so wrong would be letting down true victims of violence.

It was disappointing that the default position of McGuire and colleagues “was casual violent banter against an individual they do not like,” she wrote in The Age.

Wilson likened the remarks to casual racism, saying they reminded her of McGuire’s comments in 2013 when he suggested star Aboriginal player Adam Goodes be used to promote a King Kong musical.

Those remarks sparked widespread condemnation as the Sydney Swans’ player had recently been racially abused as an “ape”.

- © AFP, 2016

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    Mute Marg murphy
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    Jun 20th 2016, 7:37 AM

    He obviously doesn’t like her. Why does it become sexism. He’s entitled to dislike a sports reporter even if she is female. And a tough woman like her, can’t she brush it off? She is successful in a male dominated field, you don’t get there by being a shrinking violet, she’s playing the victim card because she can.

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    Jun 20th 2016, 7:48 AM

    Marg, I thought you would have been aware by now that only straight white men are allowed to be criticized and threatened. All other people are exempt

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    Jun 20th 2016, 7:51 AM

    If a woman joked about drowning a man and comparing him to a killer insect there would be an up roar and rightly so. Of course he can dislike her, that’s his right but to joke about killing her is not. That’s not a joke.

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    Jun 20th 2016, 7:57 AM

    No there wouldn’t be ‘uproar’.Nobody would bat an eyelid.

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    Mute Adam Smythe
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    Jun 20th 2016, 8:00 AM

    ‘If a woman joked about drowning a man and comparing him to a killer insect there would be an up roar ‘
    No there wouldn’t.

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    Mute Deborah Behan
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    Jun 20th 2016, 8:22 AM

    OMG come onto an article about violence against women and the comments are full of men giving out about how sexist the article is so don’t tell if a woman belittled a man in this way the same wouldn’t happen.

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    Mute Robert Cummins
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    Jun 20th 2016, 8:32 AM

    No Deb, people are just pointing out the hypocrisy of feminist “equality”. Although to be fair, hypocrisy, delusion and irrationality is hardly a surprise when it comes feminists

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    Jun 20th 2016, 8:32 AM

    *from

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    Jun 20th 2016, 8:38 AM

    Deborah look at the Wayne bobbit story he had his penis cut off and women joked about it on day time tv shows. Imagine if a man cut off a woman’s breast no man would ever joke about it for obvious reasons. Look at the adverts in tv men are shown to be idiots or the butt of jokes. As a man I’m sick of it.

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    Jun 20th 2016, 8:40 AM

    The male commentators are forever bemoaning that equality should work both ways yet now are almost proud that not an eyelid would be batted if the same was said about a male journalist. Personally I don’t think that’s a good thing. The mention of casual violence against anyone, should never be tolerated. So I ask, which is it lads, what do u actually want? I for one wouldn’t tolerate it.

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    Jun 20th 2016, 11:03 AM

    Deborah
    No they would not, consider daytime shows like lose women, if the same stupid spouting was done by men there would be uproar. I lived in Australia for a year and it is very misogynistic and McGuire has a mouth and that lets lose on all types of issues, he is a Muppet and people are right to complain however if the roles were reversed no one would bat an eyelid infact everyone would laugh. there is a huge amount of hypocrisy surrounding this issue and it is related to double standards.

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    Jun 21st 2016, 2:33 PM

    Dognut so you would not tolerate IT, what would you do exactly, type more words on your keyboard to express your outrage and anger, think up a new word with phobia on the end of it, protest and play the victim, call for another BAN I am interested to see how you would deal with the mention of casual violence, I fear for you if you have to encounter it for real

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    Jun 20th 2016, 7:48 AM

    He is Australian..nuff said

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    Jun 20th 2016, 8:58 AM

    Can you see the irony in your comment and associated green hands. Ask the average Polish person about racism in Ireland. or many of the other people we have here. Only a few weeks ago the three-part programme on Ireland again highlighted the tendency of racial vilification. In all reality people are becoming offended at the drop of a hat, the snowflake generation lacking in all grit and coping mechanisms. The comment may have been a poor show from McGuire who is a bit of a tool anyway; alas using a “He is Australian..nuff said” comment only highlights a thinking far worse than McGuire.

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    Jun 20th 2016, 9:31 AM

    I would not dream of asking a Polish person about racism,Polish people are white Europeans like the Irish.The word racism is incorrect in this instance and if you are referring to Polish people who have suffered insults then Xenophobia is the correct word to use.
    The term racism is widely misused by many commentators especially when dealing with Traveler issues.
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    Jun 20th 2016, 10:13 AM

    He’s actuall of Irish decent. Roscommon I believe.

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    Jun 20th 2016, 10:46 AM

    Never heard of anyone here, but your man actually makes her sound like a fantastic journalist, sucks you in and then bang catches you, isn’t that what a good investigative journalist does? Whether sports or otherwise. Anyway he sounds like a complete idiot, and besides the entire Australian state is built on racism, the sending of empire miscreants there to bulk out the continent as a bulwark against the native people etc another fine English empire mess

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    Jun 20th 2016, 10:50 AM

    Yep, the most multi-cultural country in the world is just racist. What a load of bollocks – and when it (was) racist pre 80′s maybe it was just like every other country of the time; yet it grew up. I live in hope this wee little island will do the same (funny that a massive percentage of early Australian’s were Irish) Oh the bollock loads of irony.

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    Jun 20th 2016, 12:06 PM

    Were Irish? Sure they were sent there as the bold boys of the empire, sure Tasmania alone was treated as just one big prison! The British colony that was and is Australia was stained from the word go, no amount of multicultural immigration will ever change the way aborigines were treated and continue to be treated in the name of that blue flag with the union Jack

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    Jun 20th 2016, 12:09 PM

    Or does the aboriginal culture not really count in all this multiculturalism you speak of?

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    Jun 20th 2016, 12:27 PM

    You’ll be very hard pressed to find anyone in Australia who agrees with how the aboriginal people were treated but we can’t judge based on the actions of ancestors. As has been said, Australia today is a successful multicultural country with very low levels of racism. The worst I’ve seen is on this very website on any article about Muslims, travellers or Australians!

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    Jun 20th 2016, 12:33 PM

    This racism talk has people wrapped up in riddles, for instance is “Australian” a race or Muslim for that matter??

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    Jun 20th 2016, 12:38 PM

    So your saying “Australia day” still isn’t celebrated on the same day that British ships landed in Australia marking the official start of the nation and wiping out millennia of actual history and civilisation?

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    Jun 20th 2016, 1:03 PM

    No I don’t think I said that at all actually

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    Jun 20th 2016, 1:09 PM

    I’m Australian Gus, what’s your point?

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    Jun 20th 2016, 1:20 PM

    You know what I mean, does continuing to celebrate such a national holiday not show some support for those same ancestors/founding fathers actions?

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    Jun 20th 2016, 2:03 PM

    ‘wiping out millennia of actual history and civilisation?’

    What history, what civilisation? The Aborigine had no written languages, nor did they build cities. They existed as a technologically primitive people,who lived mainly as hunter gatherers. Unfortunately they were never going to exist forever in splendid isolation. If it wasn’t the Europeans it would have been the Javanese from Indonesia who would have colonised Australia.
    Perhaps you wish for Australian’s to be ashamed for the actions of ancestors of which they had no control over?

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    Jun 20th 2016, 3:05 PM

    To use an Australian colloquialism, An_Beal_Bocht, “You’re being a dead set clown” – Even though ‘race’ is a misnomer it is still what we use to distinguish peoples of differing lands. The Australian is as much a race as the American or the English person God forbid even the Irish. You seem hung up on a historical pretence about the Aboriginals. Furthermore, my mentioning of the Irish making up a large swag of the populous was a century after the landing.

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    Jun 20th 2016, 3:19 PM

    Oracle, oral history is as valid and probably more important as written history. So what exactly do you define as civilisation? Invading other lands and taking native peoples as slaves? Is that civilisation? So they don’t deserve to be recognised as humans with their own history and way of life. Have we perfected civilisation that much?

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    Jun 20th 2016, 3:31 PM

    Oracle, western societies honour civilisations such as the Romans as some kind of enlightened step forward in evolution when in fact Roman political and civil life was rife with sick needless violence, corruption, greed and disease. Instead of seeing aboriginal populations as backward we could have learnt a lot from their mutually beneficial social structures and their ability to live in harmony with their environment, I’m sure they weren’t perfect but your attitude tells me that some people still see them as somehow inferior

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    Jun 20th 2016, 3:37 PM

    There are very definte perimeters that define what civilisation is. And no oral history is definitely not as valid as written history. That’s preposterous. If the Greeks never wrote down their ancient philosophies and mathemathics on parchment, the west and indeed the world would be a very different probably more primitive place.

    ‘invading other lands and taking native peoples as slaves?’

    You do know Aborignes also engaged in warfare, don’t you?

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    Jun 20th 2016, 3:44 PM

    ‘Instead of seeing aboriginal populations as backward we could have learnt a lot from their mutually beneficial social structures and their ability to live in harmony with their environment’

    Hardly. It’s now accepted that the arrival and spread of the Aborigines throughout had an enormous impact on Australian fauna and flora and precipitated the extinction of several species.

    What exactly do you mean by ‘my attitude’. If you’re going to accuse me of racism, do so directly rather than in such an ambiguous manner. What happened to the Aborigines is tragic, but why should people living nowadays feel guilty for something they had absolutely nothing to do with.

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    Jun 21st 2016, 2:37 PM

    what civilisation they were aboriginal

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    Jul 5th 2016, 10:27 PM

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    Jun 20th 2016, 7:36 AM

    Heard one of McGuires co presenters of his radio show say that a plus size model shouldn’t be on the cover of Sports Illustrated because they don’t belong there. McGuire, Triple M, Channel 9, one in the same. The 1950s are alive and well

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    Jun 20th 2016, 8:06 AM

    Pro sports? You don’t see too many men are on that cover? Are men not good at pro sports either? Or is it purely an aesthetic thing?

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    Jun 20th 2016, 8:10 AM

    You wouldn’t see a plus size man on the cover of sports illustrated either. They don’t belong there. Overweight people generally aren’t athletes or supermodels. That little nugget of truth doesn’t sit well with people who Cry “body shaming” at every opportunity.

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    Jun 20th 2016, 8:15 AM

    Plus size is overweight?

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    Jun 20th 2016, 10:23 AM

    Mick Molloy was his name , is there a trend starting

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    Jun 20th 2016, 7:38 AM

    FFS people’s feelings are being hurt so easily these days!

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    Jun 20th 2016, 8:29 AM

    My reply was deleted????? I feel hurt!!!!!!

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    Jun 20th 2016, 10:16 AM

    People want to be victims its all about them

    They out victim each other its the new sport

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    Jun 20th 2016, 7:27 AM

    Brick by Brick that Boys Club will be torn down :-{>

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    Jun 20th 2016, 8:10 AM

    Trump will rebuild the bricks!

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    Jun 20th 2016, 8:34 AM

    No Kathleen we must never let free speech be attacked. If you want everyone to be monitored you be consider moving to North Korea.

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    Jun 20th 2016, 9:22 AM

    Caroline Wilson has been a top football reporter for over 30 years and is steeped in the sport as her father was once president of Richmond football club. She has been putting up with jibes and insults from Eddie and his like for years. She deserves a bit of respect. Can’t believe this is still going on. Doesn’t reflect well on the game at all. This stuff stopped being funny back in the early 90s. Not saying it should ever have been acceptable though

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    Jun 20th 2016, 9:12 AM

    It was a joke. People getting too damn PC these days

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    Jun 20th 2016, 9:33 AM

    It’s quite funny too.
    Equally applies if the gender were reversed.
    If someone said that to me I’d laugh.

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    Jun 20th 2016, 9:39 AM

    you will have the comment deleted…you mentioned the G word

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    Jun 20th 2016, 8:59 AM

    Bit of anti ageing cream wouldn’t go astray there.

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    Jun 20th 2016, 9:38 AM

    ……..and my reply earlier was deleted……….who is monitoring this forum and what is the agenda?

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    Jun 20th 2016, 9:51 AM

    Wants to be treated equally but plays the sexism card straight away. That’s modern feminism for ya.
    As for him, this sort of ‘machismo’ is rife in Australia. Neanderthal stuff.

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    Jun 20th 2016, 8:24 AM

    I don’t get why the comparison to the black widow spider is an insult. Surely he just gave the definition of a good journalist? Being compared to the black widow should then be taken as a compliment. Same as being compared to a fox, owl, lion…

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    Jun 20th 2016, 9:50 AM

    If you thought we had idiots on the radio here, they take the biscuit in Australia. Complete brain dead stuff.

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    Jun 21st 2016, 9:22 AM

    Eddie’s apology …. until the next time he opens his mouth.

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