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    Mute Mark Scott
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:03 PM

    So what we have here is an unsubstantiated, anonymous complaint about an unnamed restaurant.

    Outstanding.

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    Mute Niall O' Sullivan
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:07 PM

    And “Shocking allegation” in the sub-heading to fan the flames.

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    Mute Sertorius
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:37 PM

    A Twitter lynch mob is being formed right this minute.

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    Mute SolvableKnave
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:37 PM

    Exactly. If it happened, name and shame the establishment, they’ll soon hit the national media to deny or explain the unfortunate position they and the other disgusted other patron where put in.

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    Mute Ciaran Ó Fallúin
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:40 PM

    I heard another shocking story recently about a mother having her child ripped away from her in a store for breastfeeding… everyone remember that…

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    Mute kevin windle
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:47 PM

    Maybe the journal editorial staff are suffering from gay marriage referendum withdrawal symptoms. They used to be able to post 10 articles a day on it in the good auld days!

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    Mute Tweed Cap
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:48 PM

    Great way to get a free meal without having to “kiss the face off” your mate.

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    Mute Valentino R
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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:42 PM

    They cannot name and shame because the story is untrue – I don’t buy it for one second. having said that anyone staring into each other eyes in a restaurant are total saps and should be removed – it’s way too cringe

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    Mute James Joseph Superior Power
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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:50 PM

    Are you sure you are committing on the right article Tweed? Holding hands is hardly “kissing the face of your partner.

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    Mute Tweed Cap
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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:55 PM

    Just quoting his parteners termonolgy if you read it again James

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    Mute James Joseph Superior Power
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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:02 PM

    Sorry Tweed my Apologies.

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    Mute Cill Dará Abú
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    Oct 29th 2015, 8:43 PM

    That turned out to be false

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    Mute Matt Connolly
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    Oct 29th 2015, 9:59 PM

    Is it possible they were mistaken for vegans?

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    Mute Mad Taoiseach
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    Oct 29th 2015, 10:45 PM

    They should have gone to Spar.

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    Mute Daniel Dudek Corrigan
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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:39 PM

    Why no restaurant name?

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    Mute BevinArmageddon
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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:49 PM

    If this actually happened, then it’s absolutely disgraceful. But I do find it a bit strange that the restaurant in question hasn’t been named, there’s very little info on the incident at all really.

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    Mute Niall O' Sullivan
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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:54 PM

    ^^^See this is the problem. A witch-hunt will begin based on a half-story.

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    Mute Irishoversea
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:05 PM

    Is that in for everyone wrath or just the gays? To be honest I’m not one for public affection but some guys holding hands wouldn’t exactly put be of my steak..

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    Mute Frank Cauldhame
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:07 PM

    Very little info on display here, it doesen’t even allude to the gender of the couple who allegedly made the complaint.

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    Mute Ian Phillip Creaner
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:17 PM

    I walked into the super market the other day. A hetero couple were giving it wellie at the bike stand. I felt concern whether either of them was getting enough oxygen. It made me cringe a bit walking past. Would I complain. NO! Just coz I’m a bit of a Victorian Granny, it doesn’t mean I have to impose my views on public face sucking on everybody else. What, however, would have been the general reaction if it was two lads? This restaurant is a disgrace and it does need to be named and shamed.

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    Mute Irishoversea
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:22 PM

    i blame greeks they invented gayness

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    Mute The Green Monkey
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:23 PM

    Sitting at a table beside any two love birds can be repulsive leading to cries of ‘get a room ‘…………

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    Mute Wrath of Cheney
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:23 PM

    Nobody wants to look at people slobbering over eachother while you’re trying to enjoy your lunch, save it for behind closed doors folks. Gross.

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    Mute Irishoversea
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:26 PM

    But it was holding hand ? Not kissing.. To be honest if it was me and I was told leave I would of bent my partner over that table and put proper show on for the people on the next table..

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    Mute Wrath of Cheney
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:32 PM

    People just aren’t used to seeing that sort of thing it’s still odd to many.

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    Mute Irishoversea
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:36 PM

    They shouldn’t of been perving on them then..

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    Mute Niall O' Sullivan
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:37 PM

    @Ian. Yeah, let’s potentially destroy a business cos of your anecdote?

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    Mute MaryLou(ny)McDonald
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:44 PM

    Anonymous couple in unnamed restaurant = BS … If this happened me I’d be plastering the name of the restaurant all over the place.

    BTW why is there a picture of the White House at the top of the article? Does someone in the Journal not know the difference between the White House and the Aras?

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    Mute Paddy Gerrard
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:48 PM

    Did you read the article you troll

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    Mute Stuart Parkinson
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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:05 PM

    So should me and my wife not kiss or hold hands in public if that’s the case. Why one rule for one demographic and not the other? I’m all for straight marriage but………… #seriously

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    Mute Stuart Parkinson
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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:08 PM

    That reply was for wrath of chaney btw….

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    Mute shanekeogh
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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:15 PM

    well I think it was more then holding hands tbh, if that’s all it was I doubt anyone would complain

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    Mute Irishoversea
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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:20 PM

    You think they could of been holding something else under that table Shane?

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    Mute shanekeogh
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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:33 PM

    maybe some people have nothing better to do but if I was gay and holding my partners hand in a restaurant, and some stuck up fools complained and called me disgusting, I’d take a picture of them, stick it on fb asking who is this homophobic fools, and I’d name the restaurant

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    Mute Aidan Humphries
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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:37 PM

    It’s could HAVE
    would HAVE
    learn some grammar.
    And no it’s Not because your gay it’s because you’re an idiot before you even start

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    Mute Deborah Behan
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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:19 PM

    Lol!

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    Mute Sean Travers
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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:39 PM

    I wonder if this was a story of a girl alleging rape would people be questioning if it happened. Seems to me that a lot of people here would rather remain ignorant rather than discussing the issue.

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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:52 PM

    *you’re
    *awkward looks*

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    Mute Richard boyle
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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:54 PM

    You forgot the full stop ,the mark the end of your hissy fit .

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    Mute Ian Phillip Creaner
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    Oct 29th 2015, 8:42 PM

    what restaurant do you frequent….telly is so boring these days.

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    Mute Ian Phillip Creaner
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    Oct 29th 2015, 8:44 PM

    how about outting bigots in their place. here is a mind game for you. mixed race couple…..nah? too much of a jump. dont trouble ur little head.

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    Mute Emma Kennedy
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    Oct 29th 2015, 9:18 PM

    Should straight people do the same then? Go do one you absolute prude.

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    Mute Aideen Thornton
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    Oct 30th 2015, 9:12 AM

    Aidan, if you’re going to try and belittle folk about their grammar you might want to proof read your own comment before you post.

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    Mute Brian Ward
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:14 PM

    The basics of journalism, who, what, when, where, why.
    Who-dunno
    What happened- allegedly something happened to someone.
    When- dunno
    Where-dunno
    Why-did it happen? Dunno if it even did.

    This non-”story” makes the Suns “Freddie Starr ate my hamster” look like ground breaking journalism.

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    Mute Ciaran Ó Fallúin
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    Oct 30th 2015, 9:02 AM

    Erm… anyone else notice the top comment which had over 2k up votes has been removed…

    Conor Sheils, as author, could you explain the decision?

    (Hijacking Brian Wards comment for visibility)

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    Oct 30th 2015, 9:07 AM

    The J.ie can be cheap and tacky alright

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    Mute Mark Scott
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    Oct 30th 2015, 10:17 AM

    I expect he removed my comment because it questioned the integrity of the article.

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    Mute Ciaran Ó Fallúin
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    Oct 30th 2015, 2:23 PM

    It’s back now…

    The smart thing would probably be to delete the whole article until some teeny tiny portion of it can be substantiated…

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    Mute Jp Vaughan
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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:45 PM

    I’d like to hear the restaurants side before I condemn anyone, we’re only getting one side here.

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    Mute Cal Cryton
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:20 PM

    Indeed, i’d bet there was a bit more than gentle hand holding going on….if so, even straight couples would probably get similar complaints from other diners.

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    Mute Jason O Shea
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:51 PM

    I’d bet that it’s a completely made up story.

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    Mute JohnAbbs
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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:29 PM

    The numbers will tell us if this story is true or made up. If we trip over the usual we know it’s a fabricated story.

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    Mute James Joseph Superior Power
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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:34 PM

    Is it interesting that the same people who are calling for proof that it happend have no problem in suggesting that it didnt without having any proof either.

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    Mute Niall O' Sullivan
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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:02 PM

    It’s interesting that the Journal decided to run with it at all, James.

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    Mute James Joseph Superior Power
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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:18 PM

    It is indeed Niall. But what has that got to do with my point?

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    Mute Niall O' Sullivan
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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:22 PM

    Proof.

    They have none either and they are the ones that published the damn thing. Buck stops with them. Of course they could always contact the Gay Community News magazine and get a comment from them on the veracity of the story. They could even invite the writer of the fictional piece on to do another fictional piece to go with this fictional piece. Just for fictional balance.

    I think this is a 100% made up story and I’m calling BS.

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    Mute Matt Connolly
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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:38 PM

    Even if they did – if the restaurant can show they treat all patrons that way there’s no issue. Equality is not some moral bar – you can treat people like sh!te – but you must treat them equally sh!te.

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    Mute James Joseph Superior Power
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    Oct 29th 2015, 8:08 PM

    Read the first sentence of the article Nile. Not the word “allegedly ”

    If you were Gay yourself I doubt you would be as quick to think this is a 100% made up story and be calling BS. It’s not the first time that something like this has happened and from personal experience I know it happens a lot more than people think.

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    Mute Niall O' Sullivan
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    Oct 30th 2015, 12:37 AM

    I don’t doubt this kind of thing happens very occasionally happens, James. I just doubt this one did.

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    Mute James Joseph Superior Power
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    Oct 30th 2015, 4:05 AM

    Niall You said that you “think this is a 100% made up story and I’m calling BS” where are you getting your information from? do you know something that the rest of us don’t?

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    Mute Niall O' Sullivan
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    Oct 30th 2015, 4:30 AM

    I believe the Gay Magazine entirely made it up. That’s why it’s anonymous when it didn’t need to be.

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    Mute James Joseph Superior Power
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    Oct 30th 2015, 5:08 AM

    So now you are accusing the magazine of making it up. I was under the impression you thought the the couple that wrote into the magazine made it up. A 20 + year old magazine with an impeccable record making stuff up. I doubt it. Let’s assume that they did receive a letter. Maybe the couple that wrote it are fearful of repercussions if they name the restaurant, or their staff. Its their word against the restaurant’s. I am sure if it came down to it the person who complained would back up the restaurant considering they took their side should the restaurant sue the couple for libel. It’s a posability . Its also a possibility that it is BS. None of us know for definite.

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    Mute Ted Logan
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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:43 PM

    The Manager should have asked the couple who complained to leave.

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    Mute James Joseph Superior Power
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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:52 PM

    Just about to say the same thing Ted. Your dead right.

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    Mute Barry Thomas
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    Oct 30th 2015, 11:05 AM

    Precisely

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    Mute Jo45
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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:43 PM

    No evidence this actually happened. Someone here has an agenda.

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    Mute Niall O' Sullivan
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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:47 PM

    Far too one-sided to have went to print like this. They could have at least rang the restaurant and asked for a comment first.

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    Mute Secret Irishman
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:02 PM

    It’s not like the restaurant even did anything wrong. They suggested the couple leave and offered to give them their meal for free, no need for a witch hunt.

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    Mute Fozz
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:12 PM

    I’m off to the place with one of me mates…will eat and drink like kings..then hold hands and do some gazing and get a freebie :D
    RESULT!

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    Mute Martin Byrne
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    Oct 30th 2015, 7:10 AM

    Of course the restaurant did wrong – they suggested the victims, not the perpetrators leave. If someone is offended by a display of affection that is tolerated of straight couples then they are being bigoted; surely a worse offence than affection?

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    Mute Tom Kenny
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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:46 PM

    There are always 2 sides to a story and the truth is normally somewhere in between, I find it hard to believe it is as straight forward as being made out.

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    Mute Supernova
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:01 PM

    Exactly, why would a restaurant risk it’s it’s entire business?

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    Mute Vince Cullen
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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:04 PM

    @Tom Kenny

    No Tom,,,,There are always 3 sides to every story, your side, my side and The Truth!

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    Mute Sean Costello
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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:44 PM

    Judge, jury and executioner. I voted (proudly) for same sex marriage in may. Are we sure this actually happened though? It’s a random letter that anyone could have written. If it happened it’s terrible but I’d like to see evidence first.

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    Mute Scarce 9 Jutro
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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:54 PM

    Twitter has spoken. It has to be true.

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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:40 PM

    people really need to stop this crap and let people love the lives they want,

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    Mute Niall O' Sullivan
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:15 PM

    There have been credible and respected posters on here that claimed they were turned down and the door of a well-know gay bar in Dublin for being straight. Same bar was often touted here as almost the birthplace of the LGBT movement. Unlike this article, the comments were actually removed when those exact same claims claims were made. It is shocking hypocrisy on the part of the journal.

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    Mute Gearóid Ó Murchadha
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:35 PM

    I was refused from the George once, I asked the bouncer “is it because I’m straight?” and as a look of suprise crossed his face he said “you’re straight?”. I was just drunk.

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    Mute Stephen McConnell
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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:53 PM

    if those posters think that was the real reason they were refused, they’re delusional.

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    Mute Ian Phillip Creaner
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    Oct 29th 2015, 8:47 PM

    That I also find unacceptable. It actually makes me very angry and it unfortunately does happen.

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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:45 PM

    I have worked in the trade for many years,and even well before legal gay marriage it would be unacceptable to me,to ask a gay couple to leave in any premise I worked in for holding hands….the complainant would be told there was nothing I could do about it…

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    Mute Socrates Is Alive
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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:59 PM

    It happened in a pub in Cork

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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:04 PM

    ‘There’s nothing you could do about it’? How about ‘it’s entirely legal and they are entitled to do it and you have no basis whatsoever for complaining about it’?

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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:34 PM

    “It happened in a pub in Cork”

    There’s about as much evidence for that as there is for the historical existence of Socrates. f all.

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    Oct 29th 2015, 8:21 PM

    Niall I mean last year, a similar incident occured. The establishment apologised. And do you really think there’s f all evidence for Socrates? You must think that Transylvania is just in movies too…

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    Oct 29th 2015, 8:51 PM

    it was happy hugs in Cork in the end. So happy. One of my fave pubs.

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    Oct 29th 2015, 9:29 PM

    Cork.
    It happened in Cork.

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    Oct 30th 2015, 12:35 AM

    “And do you really think there’s f all evidence for Socrates? ” You musta missed the memo and many years of academic debate about it.

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    Mute David
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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:42 PM

    Name and shame!

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    Mute Richard Cynical
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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:45 PM

    exactly, name and shame

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    Mute Tom Kenny
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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:49 PM

    on an allegation ????????????
    How would you feel if I made an allegation about you and you were “named and shamed” without the chance to put your side forward

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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:49 PM

    Name and shame, and potentially ruin a business based on a letter sent to a LGBT publication and without hearing both sides? Just because they are gay and making claims, doesn’t mean they are automatically right on this.

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    Mute David
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:12 PM

    Fair enough, the restaurant should be contacted to get their side.

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    Mute Larry Doyle
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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:55 PM

    If they are not named then all restaurants should be boycotted until the guilty restaurant admits it’s guilt and can then be suitably punished in a fashion to decided democratically by Twitter.

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    Mute David
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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:06 PM

    Wholeheartedly agree… Trial by Twitter! If that fails we’ll go to the Facebook Supreme Court. However all appeals through LinkedIn.

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    Mute Piotrek Król
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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:51 PM

    This isn’t a news story. Someone said this, someone whispered that… No evidence, no details, nothing really, only hearsay.

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    Mute Subliminal Design
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    Oct 29th 2015, 8:56 PM

    I’m never going to Dublin Restaurant ever again.

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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:51 PM

    The gays whinging, what’s new?

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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:55 PM

    Your twitter account.

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    Mute James Joseph Superior Power
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:06 PM

    And your whingeing about the gays whinging. What’s new?

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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:43 PM

    Which restaurant? I’d hate to think that I’d accidentally put money in their till not knowing that it was the place in question….

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    Mute Niall O' Sullivan
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:06 PM

    Thought you had an aversion to hearsay?

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    Mute Scarce 9 Jutro
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:33 PM

    And to capitalism..

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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:28 PM

    The bit about hearing “disgusting” from a table in the distance upon your exit sounds a bit fictitious. I can’t imagine any restaurant manager would approach customers regarding hand holding as excessive public affection either. If true they should name and shame but it reads like victim complex exaggeration.

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    Mute David Clarke
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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:47 PM

    It was wrong what happen but at the same time what age are they they are grown adults not some teenagers wanting attention eat your dinner and let others eat their dinner without this holding hands s.ite and looking into each other’s eyes and before anyone says anything I’d say the same if it were a man and a woman

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    Mute Patrick King
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:23 PM

    Couldn’t agree more. Sounds like they set out to get a reaction….and possibly compensation!
    Why not keep the “romance” for their private moments?

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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:53 PM

    I wonder if you’d say the same if it was a straight couple celebrating their anniversary and holding hands

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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:46 PM

    Sorry to hear about this alleged incident. If if it true is is shameful. But I would like to have more information. Where was the restaurant? What does the management of that restaurant have to say about the incident?

    Finally it does not reflect on the attitude of the entire country towards members of the gay community. It is an incident (alleged I admit) in one restaurant. If the facts of the incident as reported are correct then the management of this restaurant are idiots and a full apology is in order. Of course, if true, other legal avenues are open as well. Discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation is against the law.

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    Mute jane
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:16 PM

    Well Well Well

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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:16 PM

    Crap wrong place

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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:15 PM

    I heard this story yesterday. I find it very strange tbh. I just can’t imagine any restuarant manager being so stupid as to ask a gay couple to leave because another customer complained? Surely they would be aware of equality laws, not to mention the restaurants reputation. And the manner in which the couple just seemed to shrug their shoulders and leave, I would have wrecked the place lol.

    It was an anon letter and gcn don’t have their names. I may be totally wrong and it did happen. But if it didn’t, I cant understand why somebody would write this. Strange also all the news websites are reporting this totally unverified story.

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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:50 PM

    What editor cleared this unsubstantiated article?

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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:12 PM

    Terrible journalism on part of the examiner reporting on an anonymous couple and failing to name the establishment or even ask them for their version of events. I can’t honestly see how some idiot would be entertained over such a bigoted view on life!

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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:52 PM

    Why sir, the very idea. Two men holding hands in public? Why fiddle due due we can’t have such a thing I tell you. We can’t. All the fine ladies and gentlemen of the religious persuasion will get attacks of the vapours. Why it is 1815 after all. No wait it’s 2015 and the manager should have told the moaning old biddy to shut up or tell her where the door was. Why make her problem someone else’s?

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    Mute Scarce 9 Jutro
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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:55 PM

    So how do you know the people who complained are religious? Many mass going people voted yes in the referendum. Another generalisation and ridiculous comment without fact.

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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:14 PM

    #catkins407: You are making an assumption that they were men. You may be correct but nowhere does it say so.

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    Mute Jon Rodgers
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:23 PM

    Is The Journal willing to stand by this allegation by naming the establishment?
    Very telling if they don’t.

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    Mute Stephen McConnell
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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:51 PM

    How would The Journal know? They just copied the story from GCN. Lazy journalism.

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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:12 PM

    This sounds like rubbish… name restaurant if it really happened!

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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:54 PM

    Hearsay is now news?

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    Oct 29th 2015, 9:32 PM

    Yeah.
    *is

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    Oct 29th 2015, 9:32 PM

    TheJournal is to news as Tripadvisor os to restaurant reviews. Relax, it’s only clickbait.

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    Mute Karen
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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:46 PM

    Name and shame the restaurant and fine them. Then tell them in future tell people who complain about such stupid things tp tell them they can either mind their own business or leave the premises.
    Try not staring at people on other tables and eat your food idiots.

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    Mute Scarce 9 Jutro
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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:56 PM

    Fine them for what! And who should fine them?

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    Mute Zonker Smith
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:03 PM

    If they were asked to leave because they’re gay, then it’s discrimination, and illegal, and the restaurant could indeed be fined.

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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:14 PM

    Why doesn’t a big gay mob get together and burn the place to the ground while you’re at it Karen.

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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:32 PM

    Well now, I would really love to know more, doesn’t really seem to be a full story, holding hands is not disgusting by any means regardless of sexuality. I’m not all for “wearing the face off your partner” as some call it, in a resteraunt though. I’m gay and married and if I’m paying for a meal like everyone else I expect to be treated the same. If I want to hold my partners hands on a romantic night out I’ll do it, my life doesnt affect anyone else. I wouldn’t be affected by anyone either. The couple with the problem are the ones at fault and should be told to ignore or leave. That said, we need more details!!

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    Mute TommyRyder
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:43 PM

    We need social boundaries of etiquette in public places.
    Coz we all know how this thing works.
    This week holding hands. Next week French kissing and before long people will be having intercourse on the dessert trolley.

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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:49 PM

    (this is a gender neutral comment)

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    Mute Larissa Caroline Nikolaus
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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:43 PM

    Will no-one think of the dessert trolley!

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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:35 PM

    Hmm I’d say it was a case of your man standing over his partner with his lad in his hands waiting to degrade him as opposed to holding hands methinks!

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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:57 PM

    Just read the actual letter in GCN (and I’ll bet damn few of you have done that!). Not only is the establishment not named, the accuser is “name and address with editor”.

    Well I guess that “proves” it then! Homophobic incidents like this *never ever* happen in Ireland.

    Maybe the accuser knows damn well the kind of reaction that telling the truth about homophobia would generate. And maybe he doesn’t want to name the establishment so as to not prejudice legal proceedings!

    And it’s telling that many of you above have already decided that that could not be the reason for the lack of naming and shaming – that you’ve already decided that this story is hogwash – that you’ve already decided that this gay man is a liar, and that GCN is supporting him solely because of his sexual orientation.

    The basic premise of this story – that damn all has changed in Ireland – is true.

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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:08 PM

    The fact the accuser has left his/her “name and address with editor” means they didn’t have the balls to publish it and stand over what they said. That’s not a good sign so please don;t try and spin it as such. Had they (the writer) actually decided published their name, it would have added, and nor detracted, from the credibility.

    Of course, this restaurant will be named on social media (and likely already has) and will have a trail by social media.

    The Journal, rather than present it to us responsibly, have now made that a certainty. .

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    Oct 29th 2015, 8:36 PM

    Yeah – this story needs more credibility – because as we all know the natural innate credibility of the gays is not to be trusted.

    I mean – seriously – we all know that this sort of stuff happens all the time – why is it so hard to believe this particular story???

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    Oct 31st 2015, 1:04 AM

    Your missing the point, people are not asked to leave restaurants “all the time” for holding hands. In fact Im pretty certain that restaurants are frequented by a large percentage of couples on romantic occasions.

    the fact is if your going to make an accusation you should provide proof or is it more a case of because they are gay they are automatically correct and the restaurant guilty?

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    Mute Dave Lawless
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:33 PM

    Sorry to hear this happened to a couple out for dinner. Holding hands shouldn’t offend anyone, it’s not like they were seductively eating bananas while staring at the other customers.

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    Mute James Walsh
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:30 PM

    Is that a picture of the white house and what has it got to do with the story ?

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    Oct 29th 2015, 8:20 PM

    We cant support these people as we dont know who they are…..We cant boycott the restaurant as we dont know where it is….Did this incident actually happen ?? If it did, then this is one bullshit report

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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:31 PM

    I think the important point here is that the only thing changed by the referendum was the legality of gay marriage. To think that individual attitudes, tolerant or otherwise, have been changed is naïve to the point of thick. Homophobia has not gone away.

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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:00 PM

    Don’t really get the reds for this comment. This is not a personal opinion, nor does it imply AND antipathy towards gay people on my part; it is a statement of logic. The referendum was concerned with equality where the rights of gay people to MARRY are concerned, nothing else. Although a large majority voted in favour of equality, there is still a sizeable minority who did not. Given this FACT, I think it’s reasonable to assume that some intolerance towards gay people will manifest; I think it’salso reasonable to suggest that it would be naïve to think otherwise. Don’t shoot the messanger..

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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:46 PM

    Daffy, you are entirely correct, but facts are frowned upon in the journal, and don’t you know that calling out homophobia is now considered an insult towards homophobic people

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    Oct 30th 2015, 2:26 AM

    Homophobia has not been eradicated no Daffy this was a theocracy and a socially conservative place. However I disagree Ireland is still conservative, therefore this behaviour should be challenged. I cannot remotely see why they should have been asked to leave.

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    Mute Tom Burke
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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:54 PM

    Was the objection to an open display of affection or an open display of affection between a gay couple. Either way the reaction was OTT but its not clear from the story

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    Mute Mary McDermott
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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:47 PM

    Name and shame please . The manager is just as a big a bigot as the couple who complained.

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    Mute Secret Irishman
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:08 PM

    He really isn’t.

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    Mute Larissa Caroline Nikolaus
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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:52 PM

    He actually is, and a coward, he could have asked the couple, who complained to mind their own business, or ask them to leave, if the sight of two people of the same sex holding hands puts them of their food.

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    Mute joeythelad
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:36 PM

    fair play to the owner of the restaurant he stood up for what he believed in law or no law I admire him

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    Mute Larry Doyle
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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:04 PM

    Get a room!

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    Mute Karl Carroll
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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:58 PM

    Presumable that applies to everyone that disagrees with you as well then?

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    Oct 30th 2015, 2:22 AM

    whatever. he said he had no problem with gays but obviously looked to avoid a shipstorm. why should they leave joey? Condoning that is standing firmly for discrimination.

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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:06 PM

    lies

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    Mute James Joseph Superior Power
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    Oct 29th 2015, 9:21 PM

    Can you prove that it is lies? And before you ask me if I can prove it did happen. I never said it was true.

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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:49 PM

    What’s the names of the gay couple ?

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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:09 PM

    Maurice Fitzpatrick and…

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    Mute John N Mary Hartigan
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:27 PM

    No need for touchy fee lie in a restaurant a good manager

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    Mute Anthony Byrne
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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:50 PM

    Restaurant manager clearly had no balls. The wrong customers were asked to leave.

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    Mute eamon mcloughlin
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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:09 PM

    Displays of affection in public places. While people Are having their dinner. Outrageous. Down with that sort of thing. No seriously. People are having their dinner.

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    Oct 29th 2015, 4:44 PM

    unfortunately it takes time to change things

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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:35 PM

    Did they only get one piece of cutlery each? :p

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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:17 PM

    Future generations will look back at this and will be laughing at us. I can understand why opinion is divided on something like abortion, but there isn’t one good reason why gay marriage is wrong. I can’t believe this is still an issue in 2015.

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    Mute Georgina O'Neill
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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:00 PM

    if I were a restaurant owner and recieved a complaint from someone who was uncomfortable because a gay couple were holding hands or being affectionate towards each other . My reply to the people complaining would be “would you like your cheque now?” and I would ask them to kindly not return if other customers made them uncomfortable. this is just petty and i have no time for that nonsense!!!

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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:40 PM

    The restaurant could then go into liquidation, and the owner and staff could go and live on the streets :P

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    Mute Marc Power
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:19 PM

    name of the restaurant please?

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    Mute Scarce 9 Jutro
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:34 PM

    Why?

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    Mute Marc Power
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:48 PM

    so as I can call the restaurant and inquire about what happened and if it’s true make a complaint and perhaps go there and be intimate with my partner

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    Mute Karl Carroll
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    Oct 31st 2015, 1:07 AM

    You want to complain about an event that accured when you were not present? absurd

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    Mute Loz
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    Oct 30th 2015, 12:18 AM

    Lies! As if any restaurant in the western world would risk telling a gay couple to get out for holding hands! No manager would risk their job and the wrath of the LGBT community. This story is B.S by some attention seeking weirdo

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    Oct 30th 2015, 12:19 AM

    They also wouldn’t risk being brought to court for discrimination.

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    Mute Karl Alldritt
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:22 PM

    Name and shame the kip

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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:19 PM

    Restaurants name is required ASAP!

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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:01 PM

    Unfortunately, freedom of expression goes both ways, so is the respect of private property. They can name and shame this restaurant but they didn’t do it, but what they can’t do is to force the restaurant to accommodate them since this is private property and everyone is free to reserve the right of admission without any reason in private property. They had the chance to name the Restaurant and they blew it.

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    Mute Ian Phillip Creaner
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    Oct 29th 2015, 9:01 PM

    Thankfully we have laws against discrimination Saul. It makes great reading.

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    Mute Karl Carroll
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    Oct 31st 2015, 1:06 AM

    With legal knowledge that bad you are not fit to keep that name or image.

    A restaurant is a public place for starters and no premises open to the public can pick and choose customers in the manner you suggest (http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1994/act/2/section/3/enacted/en/html#sec3)

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    Mute Drew TheChinaman :)
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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:07 PM

    Maybe the couple in question didn’t fault the restaurant and placed the blame solely on the other customers that complained.

    Anyway… I could think of a few better ways to resolve it, how about I pick up the tab for everyone in the restaurant that doesn’t have a problem and those that do can leave?

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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:26 PM

    Name and shame restaurant if true

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    Mute NiallD
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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:34 PM

    If a straight couple were making out at the George I wonder would gay people complain?

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    Mute Larry Doyle
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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:02 PM

    Go and find out for yourself.

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    Mute Karl Carroll
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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:59 PM

    Went on a date there with a member of the opposite sex once, no one minded

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    Mute Ian Phillip Creaner
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    Oct 29th 2015, 8:58 PM

    If???? Straight people make out there regs like.

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    Mute Karl Carroll
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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:58 PM

    This story was released many months ago already, Either the journal only found it now or they are repeating

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    Mute Debi Nikita
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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:31 PM

    I just can’t believe that people can be so narrow-minded. Honestly I would rather see two gay people holding hands then being in the company with that woman who said it was ‘disgusting’.

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    Mute Ben Sheridan
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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:52 PM

    Name the place and do what they did in London…..

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/apr/15/john-snow-kiss-in-london

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    Mute NiallD
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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:38 PM

    I have found out. They were offended.

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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:50 PM

    Name the establishment, it’s customers deserve to know. Have a feeling it won’t be in business much longer.

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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:19 PM

    I wouldn’t blame the restaurant or manager in that case.

    The manager succumbed to pressure from other customers in the premises.

    The article should be having a go at the public and not the premises.

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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:02 PM

    Maybe Denis O Brian owns the restaurant and they’re to chicken (pardon the pun) to name it

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    Mute Karl Carroll
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    Oct 29th 2015, 8:00 PM

    really? Every article????

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    Mute paul breslin
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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:50 PM

    It’s not even unusual for men to hold hands in Asia and the Middle East. What was the big deal ?

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    Mute Phil Swan
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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:36 PM

    Grow up lads it was one person and in no way indicative of what the country says. The travesty here is that they left and put the drama on GCN instead of staying where I bet they would have been supported by other customers had they asked. If you are ever treated unfairly do not allow it to happen in the shadows if you can help it. I’m not saying wreck the gaff but in this case they had a right to know their accuser as well as a right to confront them as well as a right to redress from the restaurant for them making up new rules as they go along. No one else was holding hands that night I’m sure???
    As for saying that to them on the way out?? I’d have called her out in front of the whole place, turn the table on her and make her leave. Everything done with manners but by no means allowing bullies to win.

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    Oct 30th 2015, 6:01 AM

    Why would you go into a restaurant to hold hands and gaze into one another’s eyes ? I go into a restaurant to eat !

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    Mute Michael Sands
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    Oct 29th 2015, 8:03 PM

    Was the restaurant the White House as that is not in Dublin or is a restaurant either??? lol.

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    Mute Frank Brennan
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    Oct 29th 2015, 7:17 PM

    oh well shit happens

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    Mute Keith Faherty
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    Oct 29th 2015, 11:17 PM

    Name and shame the restaurant

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    Mute Micheal S. O' Ceilleachair
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    Oct 29th 2015, 9:08 PM

    How come the restaurant isn’t named and shamed?

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    Mute Christopher Gardiner
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    Oct 30th 2015, 9:57 AM

    Yet straight people can F**K each other in public at rock and pop concerts and street corners and gay people don’t complain. Prudish Ireland is alive and well. Backward this place is.

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    Mute TommyRyder
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    Oct 30th 2015, 10:29 AM

    Yeah, that young girl caught on video giving head at the concert, it worked out really well for her didn’t it.
    She ended up in a psychiatric facility due to the intense level of public opprobrium.

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    Mute Darren Collins
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    Oct 30th 2015, 6:52 AM

    Why wasn’t this restaurant named and shamed?

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    Mute Liam Mc Meel
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    Oct 30th 2015, 6:31 AM

    about time this happened no need for them to be holding hands

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    Mute Noel Griffith
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    Oct 29th 2015, 5:12 PM

    Yes zonker,its called tact,they are paying customers,so you would tell him as politely as possible that you were not interested…

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    Mute Seán O'Sullivan
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    Oct 30th 2015, 2:20 AM

    Why did they leave regardless of the manager foolishly,unacceptably asking them to. To state the obvious its the woman who’s ‘disgusting’ particularly where she may have no comment to make had they been straight, anyway I wouldn’t have left but I’m well able to verbally stand up for myself. She’d have got told in no uncertain terms where she could stick her complaint, they weren’t having sex for gods sake!

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    Mute Deirdre Gosson
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    Oct 30th 2015, 9:30 AM

    Name the Restaurant ? And give them a right to reply , let’s see them try and justify this if all facts are correct I can,t see what the reasons were for asking anyone to leave …People display affection in public SO ! Come on Dublin we,re better than this….

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    Mute Níamh Rock
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    Oct 30th 2015, 11:20 AM

    Not a bad rumour though, brutal article, but a good rumour

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    Mute Paul Roche
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    Oct 29th 2015, 8:23 PM

    I wonder if that restaurant serves popcorn…

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    Mute Michael Sands
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    Oct 29th 2015, 8:02 PM

    It would have been worse if they were holding something else, bad joke lol.

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    Mute Armin Tamzarian
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    Oct 30th 2015, 8:10 AM

    with his lad in his hand……. wanting you, to degrade yourself!

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    Mute Michael Sands
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    Nov 1st 2015, 9:21 PM

    Should be a John Way Bobbit act then?

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    Mute John Reid
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    Oct 30th 2015, 5:24 PM

    The gay community will never be happy. We were told, by them themselves, that all their problems had gone away when a majority of voters approved gay marriage. But it appears that the gay lobby are just as unhappy as they were before. They are insatiable, which suggests much deeper problems within.

    I wonder if the alleged events in this story from the Gay Community News (which is an advocacy publication) have actually been verified by TheJournal.ie, or just taken as gospel without any independent checking of the facts by TheJournal.ie?

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    Mute Tim Hayes
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    Oct 30th 2015, 4:29 PM

    Why was that ignorant woman not asked to leave, and she should be told 71% of people who voted in Dublin voted YES. That waiter and manager were issgrace

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    Mute Tim Hayes
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    Oct 30th 2015, 4:38 PM

    Sorry fone acting up. I was saying the waiter and manager were a disgrace. Will someone please name the restaurant. That manager must never have heard of he pink pound. Disgraceful in 2015 for this to happen. My straight friends are up in arms over this. Cannot be allowed to stand

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    Oct 30th 2015, 4:52 PM

    Jesus.
    Can somebody do something quickly please.
    Tim and his straight friends are throwing a HUGE HISSY FIT.
    This is truly awful, their weekend could be ruined.

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    Mute Jean Calgues
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    Oct 30th 2015, 12:10 PM

    Everybody should be open-minded and accepting of new things, just like a homosexuals immune system.

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    Mute Cathal Healy
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    Oct 30th 2015, 11:34 AM

    File under #StuffThatHappened

    Keep up the good work guys.

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    Mute Tim Hayes
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    Oct 30th 2015, 7:24 PM

    Is there censorship going on here. I was answering one of the people that wrote in, when I tried to post it it said the filter would not accept. REALLY, you just deleted me for no reason. I did not use any offensive language. As a gay man who is in Dublin 35 yrs to explain what it was like for gay people. This post is obviously not interested. Obviously the crap the homophobie are putting up is acceptable. Pathetic

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    Nov 3rd 2015, 2:14 PM

    I think the energy would be better spent on dealing with Catholic publications Alive! and Catholic Voice which advocate passive aggressive abuse of gay people. Nobody believes anybody doing anything harmless like gay sex should go to Hell unless they want to believe it.

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    Oct 29th 2015, 6:46 PM

    seriously in this day and age. will ye get a life for yerself’s instead of trying to intervene in another persons. #hesgayandimcoolwiththat

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    Oct 30th 2015, 4:06 PM

    If this incident did actually occur in Dublin, then name the place, not only that sue them.

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