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Updated: 4.27am Tuesday
AFTER THURSDAY’S MOMENTOUS UK referendum to leave the EU, there has been what Foreign Affairs Minister Charlie Flanagan today called “a spike in interest” in Irish passports in Britain and Northern Ireland.
And we’ve already seen anecdotal evidence of particularly increased interest in Northern Ireland:
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However, as Flanagan added, “There has been some exaggeration of demand”.
In the Dáil this afternoon, the Minister urged UK citizens to “take full account of the facts” about their right to travel in the EU (which will continue for at least two years) and advised that there was “absolutely no urgency” to apply for an Irish passport now.
He also warned:
An unnecessary surge in applications for Irish passports will place significant pressure on the system and on turnaround times, and is likely to impact on those with a genuine need for passports to facilitate imminent travel plans.
The Belgian newspaper De Standaard published this article earlier today, using this photo to illustrate the headline “Brits rush to obtain Irish passports”.
What’s wrong with this picture?
(Remember, if you see a photo or video that may not fit its description, email factcheck@thejournal.ie)
The sharp-eyed among you will have figured this one out already.
The photo used by De Standaard to illustrate a mad rush in the UK for Irish passports since Friday, in fact shows the old passport office on Molesworth Street in Dublin, and was taken on 23 March, 2010.
The true context was a delay in passport processing times caused by an industrial dispute among passport office staff at that time.
What’s more, the building that used to house the passport office – the one featured in the photo – has since been demolished, as this January 2016 photo shows.
We don’t know whether or not the author and editors at De Standaard were aware of the details and context of the photo they used, quite misleadingly, to illustrate British demand for Irish passports.
The story was published at 3.08pm Irish time, and remained online and unedited at the time this article was published.
Although there’s no caption under the photo in the De Standaard article, the clear implication is that it shows a queue for Irish passports in the UK, after Friday’s referendum.
And we know that’s entirely FALSE.
Send your FactCheck requests to factcheck@thejournal.ie
Correction: The first line of this story previously stated that the EU referendum took place on Friday. The result emerged on Friday, but obviously, the referendum itself took place on Thursday.
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So if they cancel the Leaving Cert, how would the CAO be decided?
What would students do about college courses?
@Diarmuid Murray: it’s very clear in the article what Fine Failures have proposed as an alternative. Oh wait, no they haven’t.
@Diarmuid Murray: A predictive grading system.Any students who feel it will be unfairly applied would have the option to sit it.
@John Jones: It would seem to me that they don’t want to say the alternative they are asking for publically in case it changes what students are doing study wise, which would make sense
I’m sure he has something in mind, it was mentioned vaguely in some of the other newspapers
@WESTY: I’ve a daughter sitting the leaving cert how can fair predictive grading be done .
Assessments are different in every school teachers opinions can certainly be miles apart I cannot see how any predictive grading can be fair and I cant see teachers wanting to be the catalyst for anyone’s future .
Why cant this years school year not be extended for everyone let everyone go back in September and finish at xmas this would include primary schools let everyone start their new year in January .
@WESTY: Great. Can’t wait. Iv a few scores to settle
@Diarmuid Murray: predictive grades
@Michael Mcloughlin: I can understand your point as I’m currently sitting the lc as a repeat.However in my opinion I think the bias which may occur from predicting is outweighed by a greater divide.Some schools are receiving full online support from teachers with adequate tech and don’t have to worry about elderly relatives who live with them.I think it is fairer to asses us students on the work which has been previously carried out prior to it becoming such uneven playing field.My school I’m getting an email a week no classes and virtually no support.I do think an appropriate appeal process could mitigate issues based on evidence and not just someone who thinks they pull out 625 from a few weeks of cramming.
@WESTY: I feel for everyone sitting the leaving it’s a nightmare and theres no quick fix .
I seen it first hand in my old job the massive difference in assements when it came to promotions it was frightening .
If you are only receiving 1 email a week from you school that’s a disgrace and your teachers should be ashamed of themselves and that’s a good enough reason why I wouldn’t trust predictive grading .
You should be onto your principal first thing Tuesday morning that’s not good enough .
Good luck with your exams and be prepared for them to take place dont be reading the bullshite that political partys are coming out with most of it is for their own gain and not the students .
@Michael Mcloughlin: Not sure predictive testing would be fair, I did a lot better in the leaving cert than my teachers predicted. my physics teacher said i had no hope of passing honours physics and got a B
And what do ye suggest?! Easy to make a call like that with no solution.
FF say a lot & do nothing.
Run the leaving cert as planned. Exams to be marked taking into consideration the disruption students have faced.
@kMc: given the marking system is all on a bell curve, if everybody has those considerations applied to their exam paper, then over all it doesn’t really mean $hit when it comes to concessions and state meeting students half way.
@The Guy is Here: exactly. I’m amazed at how many people don’t know this. At the end of the day, as far as college is concerned, it is a race, a competition, and if everyone has the same handicap going in, then the race remains fair. They have a date. It’s the 29th July.
@David Clements: no. Some students who do a practical exam have a huge advantage cos they get 100% for that
It’s totally possible to proceed with the leaving cert.
Simply hire more supervisors and use spaces in secondary schools, primary schools and even town halls to hold the exams.
This ensures social distancing can take pla e and then collages can resume next year, even if it’s Oct, Nov or December.
If the leaving cert is cancelled outright it’ll have an insanely big knock on effect on colleges and universities.
I thought this was a given, you can hardly have thousands of kids across the country meeting up in groups. Missing a term and a half of school which is probably the most important for the majority of students. Give a cert of completion (level 5) and do college entry exams later in the year or even online.
The idea that the leaving cert is something sacred is a joke, people need to get over the fact that they had to do it 15 years ago and stop feeling some sort of need to insure that they go ahead for the sake of tradition.
@An Muid Éire: I don’t think people are ready for a progressive conversation like this.
@An Muid Éire: imagine the stress of college entry exams! But I agree there may need to be an alternative along these lines.
@An Muid Éire: I asked my 6th Years yesterday during whether or not they wanted the exams cancelled/predictive grades/alternative etc. All but one from a group of 15 said they want the exams to go ahead, saying they’ve come this far. Some students enjoy school, engage with and excel at the learning process, are proud of their work and their ability to showcase their knowledge. They want a natural and honest end to this long process of secondary education that they’ve invested themselves in. There’s a narrative circling that suggests kids hate the LC. Many don’t. Similar to the narrative that our education system is broken yet we are touted as one of the most educated workforces in the world. It’s not just a “joke” to many, though I’m unsure of your own experiences with education.
@hispolsoc:
We’re “one of the most educated” due to the number of bachelors and rate of school completion. That says nothing about the actual quality.
Most erasmus students I spoke to said they were surprised how easy college was in Ireland, and how they were studying stuff they’d already done in secondary school.
Usual populist shite. No plan. Cancel it and what? Eh I’ve talked to some universities. You’ve done nothing so. LC needs to go ahead. In August or September and sort college intake for next year. Plenty space in school to spread students out. Just pay more supervisors
@Eoin Scanlon: couldn’t of said it better myself! Close down the whole school to every other year apart from leaving certs and place a certain amount of students in different class rooms around the school? Surely to god they have enough space through the class rooms along with PE halls to accommodate all the students and any of supervisors that were asked to cover the JC now ask them to help out with the LC….complete cop out by F.F
What about those that have no wifi no access to a computer or have been childminding for their siblings ?? What about those who havent the curriculum or projects finished ?? Running the exams is not fair on those people.
When exams are being marked they take into consideration any circumstances which impact the performance of the students taking them.
The year the English paper was given out in error and the exam paper had to be changed they were marked with that in consideration.
I’m sure the majority of students want to sit the papers to get the points so they can still proceed to college or whatever path they chose.
@Sarah: look at any poll they don’t
@Johnny O’Hooligan: asking students if they want exams is like asking turkeys if they want Christmas…
Give them proper thought out choices and their implications and you might find them opting for the delayed exams
What about the students with underlying conditions? How safe is it going to be for them? Also you have students who will be going home to family members who have been cocooning for months. It’s very scary! I just want the Government to tell us how our kids are going to be kept safe.
Leaving cert in August. Corrected by end of September and could be quicker. Start college in November and cut college year 1 summer leave in half. Not ideal but its more than FF have suggested.
If there was ever an argument highlighting the need to reform the Leaving Certificate with continuous assessment and project work.
This great memory test puts two years from a students life on the line for two weeks of gruelling exam work.
Ahh give everyone A1′s sure it’s only a bit of craic. We’ll need loads of doctors in the future
Ridiculous option from Fianna Fail with no alternative, unsettling the unfortunate students even more. Another sign that the party is going nowhere, serious need for a new leader.
How will social distancing work for students who need a scribe for their exams? The scribe needs to sit next to the student.
I’m at a loss to know why third level institutions aren’t more proactive in this process because appallingly enough the LC is really in situ for those planning to go to 3rd level and does not hold as much weight for those not planning to go to 3rd level. Apprenticeships accept Jc level for admittance so surely 3rd level institutions could come up with some form of matric examination for those wishing to participate in courses. If they pass they are accepted on their chosen course and if they aren’t doing well then it’ll be apparent at the end of year exams where their situation could be reviewed…….. maybe it’s too simplistic… I don’t know but it’s way past time that something is done to alleviate this dreadful stress and anxiety for students their families and their dedicated teachers.
So Ff want to remove uncertainty. How? By adding more uncertainty.
@Badger the witness: What bothers me is the suggestion that the written exams for college entrance be replaced by interviews. If the interviewers prefer a familiar accent, or dislike an unfamiliar one, that would introduce bias that wouldn’t be in a written exam.
Not so hard to cancel the LC and probably the right thing to do. Fair enough, it does provide points for college courses but students have already indicated what courses they want and feel.able for through the CAO form. So those who want medicine/law/arts have already indicated that through the form. So… assign a college course at random based on the top 3-5 choices from the CAO. Put an appeals process in place. Done.
They really don’t help themselves do they, even when there are open goals they screw up!
@ThatLJD: That’s why I never let a lady on top ..
No more pencils
No more books
No more teacher’s dirty looks
Out for summer
Out till fall
We might not go back at all
School’s out forever
School’s out for summer
School’s out with fever
School’s out completely
That FF Byrne clown is just trying to get airtime. If he was in Government he would do exactly the same.
Let the Minister sort this one out. I say to Fianna Fáil , time to ditch the Greens, just say NO,just as they said to SF . The vast Majority of FF paid up members do not want the Greens anywhere near the Cabinet Table. Out, Out, Out.
They need to really keep into account the college accomodation factor. It’s already an expensive obstacle and expanding places on a once off basis could do irreperable damage to rent prices especially in Dublin. Many students are without their Summer jobs to save up for next year not to mind the fear of rent hikes. A statement like this by FF needs a lot more consideration rather than offering solutions by switching problems.
Look at the jealousy starting over the exam , the teachers know fine well what there students are capable of . If it doesn’t suit anyone have there exam later on in the year .
Let the students go to college in September and stop this nonsense. The leaving cert is in need of an overhaul as in continuous assessment and stop this memory exam .
In most colleges in other country’s there’s an entrance exam to see are u suitable for the course which is badly needed here . The amount of drop outs after year1 in college here because they don’t like there course .
There is time to get students to college if something is done now waiting for results in early September , trying to get accommodation and all the rest sorted just ridiculous .
@kevinhassett: There used to be a University Entrance Exam. It was called the Matriculation Exam (the ‘matric’) but the universities scrapped it and piggy-backed on the LC.
College can start late, and probably will since so many courses need labs or clinical practice.
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