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'We don’t know what our futures will hold' - a multicultural family reacts to the Brexit vote

Gordon Reid examines the impact of Brexit on his British and Romanian family living in Ireland

AT MIDNIGHT ON 23 June, the only constituency to have voted Leave was Sunderland. Throughout the night Leave’s lead steadily increased, and six hours later, as the sun showed its face though the trees, David Dimbleby announced that it was now mathematically impossible for Remain to win.

“It is an earthquake that has happened,” he said.

Freedom of Movement

International and multilingual families like ours are among the people who have benefited most from the freedom of movement the EU has given us, and they will be most profoundly affected by the Brexit vote.

There are three of us: I am Scottish; my wife, Victoriţa, is Romanian; and our daughter Catriona shares British and Romanian citizenship.

Ireland is our home. We live here by right as EU citizens, we make an active contribution to community and economic life, and until now our national citizenship has been largely irrelevant because of our shared EU citizenship.

We have built a life on the foundation of free movement, and now the foundation is under threat. With the UK outside the EU, there may soon be nowhere we can live by right as a family – not in Ireland, not in Romania, not in the UK.

Hundreds of thousands of EU citizens who are settled in the UK, and UK citizens settled in the EU, are in a similar position. People like us can’t simply “go home” as many Leave voters would wish, because we don’t come from just one place. In any case home we have made our home here – we’re home already.

Growing up in the EU

I remember when the UK and Ireland joined in 1973. I was in my early teens and excited by the world that was opening up beyond the Glasgow tenement where I grew up.

As soon as we were old enough my best friend and I went to discover a continent that not many decades before had been destroying itself in war.

I remember my mother’s being moved by our opportunity to meet people our own age from all over Europe and beyond. She felt that young people making friends was the best way to avoid future wars – not through treaties between states, but by knowing each other so well that to fight would be unthinkable.

Being young in the eighties, it seemed natural that we could not only travel freely anywhere in Western Europe, but fall in love and settle down anywhere we wanted within the borders of the EU.

Finding a home

My first wife was German and when we lived in London she was able to work there on the same terms as myself. When she decided to study in Germany, I could go there to join her, and I was treated in much the same way as any German citizen would be.

I was in Germany at the end of 1989, when the Berlin Wall came down. Millions of people were newly free, borders were becoming meaningless, and a split in our continent was being healed.

After my first marriage ended I moved to Bucharest, under an EU-funded programme as it happens, and met and married Victoriţa. Our daughter, Catriona, was born when Romania was still outside the EU, and normal family life was not so simple and secure as it had been for me in Germany: we needed a visa and I needed a residence permit and work permit too. Victoriţa needed a visa when we visited the UK, and had to experience the intrusive and offensive questioning that is part of the UK visa process.

She also needed a visa and residence permit when we moved to Ireland, and anyone who’s been in that situation will be familiar with the early-morning queueing for hours in the rain at the visa office in Dublin, hundreds of people snaking all round the building, and the casual hostility of a minority of the staff towards those they were “welcoming” to Ireland.

We thought that was all over when Romania joined the EU – we would never again have to ask for permission to live together as a family. We were EU citizens, from two different EU countries, living in Ireland, a third EU country, on broadly the same terms as any citizen of Ireland.

What the future holds

Now that’s all about to change. People like us don’t know what our futures will hold and whether we will continue to have the right to live together in our homes.

It doesn’t only affect our current situation, but makes many future possibilities uncertain. What if elderly parents become ill and need care – can they live with us? When we are old, could we live near younger members of our families? Up to now, we had the right to do any of these things, but in future we may be need the State’s permission.

Restricting freedom of movement was a major issue in the Brexit campaign. It is almost certain that the UK will try to impose limits now, and that UK citizens will face corresponding restrictions in the EU, including Ireland (we may not get our old bilateral arrangements back).

It may not be easy for UK citizens to get citizenship in the countries they are living in: some don’t allow dual citizenship so they’d have to give up UK citizenship; in Ireland, naturalisation is discretionary and often refused for trivial reasons, even minor motoring offences.

Loss

Looking beyond our own lives, we are saddened by the lost opportunities for young people of Catriona’s age in the UK. It will not be so simple for them to explore our continent, live where they want to, have fun, fall in love and make families that cross borders.

We are mourning Britain’s rejection of the internationalist European ideal that for an older generation seemed the best hope for peace on our continent, and did so much good in breaking down barriers between us.

We never thought for a moment that Britain would actually do something so crazy as to vote to leave, but now they’ve done it the momentum’s taken over. Catriona sees it with a theatrical metaphor: now the UK has messily exited stage right the EU seems worryingly keen to usher them out the back door of the theatre: “Quick, go go go, get out – there’s a taxi waiting, jump in before you’re spotted.”

The political commentators have much to keep them busy, excitedly exploring the possible consequences. We’re reminded of the curse that goes, “May you live in interesting times”. We want to go back to when life was boring.

Gordon Reid is a senior lecturer in physiology at UCC.

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    Mute Daniel Clifford
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    Oct 27th 2015, 2:45 PM

    Brilliant. Because it just cost me 14 euro to read this in Spain. …….

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    Oct 27th 2015, 6:25 PM

    What I don’t understand is why it is €1.05 per MB with Three to use in Ireland on their standard rate and only 24.5cent to use with Three while in Spain roaming

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    Mute Daniel Clifford
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    Oct 27th 2015, 6:28 PM

    “A”

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    Mute Spammer
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    Oct 27th 2015, 6:50 PM

    Reducing roaming charges is about the only good thing the EU has done in decades.

    Meanwhile today the EU voted to put Net neutrality in peril: http://www.cnet.com/news/europe-votes-against-roadblocks-to-internet-fast-lanes/

    Sadly you won’t hear much about this on Irish media!

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    Oct 27th 2015, 7:09 PM

    This is some clusterf*ck spammer, this and TTIP. We are nothing but € signs and as an added bonus this will lead to internet censorship.
    Where are the bellends we voted for to protect our interests?

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    Oct 27th 2015, 7:22 PM

    Most of our bell-ends politicians are on the gravy train and they’ll say nothing and suck up that gravy. There are very few who have any sense of morality.

    But credit where credit is due Sinn Fein did vote against this and are opposed to TTIP.

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    Mute Shane from Harlequin
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    Oct 27th 2015, 2:42 PM

    Brill. Though they’ll still find a way to rip us off with the data.

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    Mute Laura Walsh
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    Oct 27th 2015, 2:45 PM

    The data rates are ridiculous. Was over in Liverpool for a few days, had my data on for about 10 mins a day in total and nearly died when I seen my phone bill. Won’t make that mistake twice!

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    Mute Toddimus Maximus
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    Oct 27th 2015, 2:50 PM

    I get charged rates for data when I drive 10 minutes up the road. I feel your pain

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    Oct 27th 2015, 5:52 PM

    Same here..scandalous

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    Mute Dennis Collins
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    Oct 27th 2015, 6:10 PM

    Data charges will also be on a like-home basis from 2017. Which is great!

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    Oct 28th 2015, 11:03 AM

    why have we to wait till then.

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    Oct 27th 2015, 2:49 PM

    They need to go after them now for the excessive charges for using data above their own arbitrary limits.

    I got a bill last year from Meteor for about €350. I was on a 20 euro a month plan for 20GB’s of data. My crime? I used 26GB. So thats €330 charge for the extra 6GB. Cheeky B******ds. And i only got a usage warning text to my laptop, no-one ever reads texts that go to a laptop!

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    Oct 27th 2015, 2:55 PM

    Why would you sign up to a deal that costs so much after you use you allocated allowance?

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    Mute Justin Gabriel
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    Oct 27th 2015, 2:56 PM

    switch to 3 pre pay” 20 euro a month ‘ unlimited data’s fast network’ can’t remember amount of free talk and texts’ it’s good though’ never looked back

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    Mute Cal Cryton
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    Oct 27th 2015, 2:58 PM

    @ Free comment – well, you genius, they didnt exactly stipulate that it would cost 50 euro per GB over the limit. That wasnt written down anywhere….

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    Oct 27th 2015, 3:02 PM

    lol Cal. I was only asking. you are the genius for signing into it.

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    Oct 27th 2015, 3:06 PM

    Justin. Yes i did indeed switch to that very plan after getting that bill. The point stands though that they should not get away with charging an arbitrary amount over their own arbitrary limit. Whats to stop them charging 1,000 euros per GB over the limit? or 10,000 euros? The amount is not known to the customer when they sign up.

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    Oct 27th 2015, 3:08 PM

    We’ve all learned the hard way. Got a whopping €250 bill from Vodafone after a trip to France where I had roaming switched off airplane mode and wifi on. Took me 6 months to sort out but now if I’m a day late with paying bill they threaten to cut me off and charge €25 reconnect fee you can’t win with them.

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    Oct 27th 2015, 3:45 PM

    Rotarua,

    You can win. Leave the pr|cks. Vodafone are a disgraceful company

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    Oct 27th 2015, 4:16 PM

    Their not the only ones my partner is with meteor on a €14 monthly contract just got bill for first month €150 so while I will leave Vodafone when contract up which of them is without problems.
    I didn’t pay the Vodafone charges and haven’t been disconnected but because I refuse to pay by direct debit they have devised the 24hr rule or you’ll be cut off as I call it.

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    Oct 27th 2015, 4:31 PM

    Vodafone are an absolute nightmare, but meteor are no better.. they tried threating me with a solicitors letter for €80 after I’d contacted them 4 times to cancel the Internet stick, it had no usage on it for months an they tried to say I owed for wen it wasn’t used even thou there was no contract an I’d tried cancelling it the 4 times. Vodafone haven’t been any better, they refused to replace a faulty phone they sold me, they said their repair shops word was final and would not entertain me, even though Samsung themselves replaced the phone soon as I sent it off within 5 days admitting the phone was indeed faulty. I pay vodafone €75 (minus the vat) pm, got onto Comreg, sent a formal letter to Vodafone it was ignored, all comreg cud advise was to get onto a solicitor.. Vodafone are an awful shower to deal with, ya don’t have a leg to stand on with them… they give no leway and refuse to co – operate with you!

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    Oct 27th 2015, 4:41 PM

    I had a problem with an iPhone when I was with meteor they said I’d obviously got it wet and refused to do anything about it. Got on to iPhone got a new phone and an iPod from them as there was a fault with the phone and they’d advised the serial numbers of phones that had to be recalled; meteor told me I needed to buy a new phone!!

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    Oct 27th 2015, 4:46 PM

    no it not the scraped it a few weeks ago .I always had unlimited data in the UK no more my friend

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    Oct 27th 2015, 5:38 PM

    Litreally the same thing.. and the funny thing was, Comreg told me tat if the phone was faulty the responsibility was with Vodafone the seller, but I was told that I’d obviously dropped the phone even though there wasn’t even a mark on it… Soon as it went to samsung I’d a call within 48hrs to say the phone was in face faulty and a new one was on the way. That with another issue regarding problems with me bill I followed the whole official complaint procedure but because they ignored me all I cud do was contact a solicitor.. It shud be dealt with at company complain level but I suppose I’m as much a fool for letting it slide.. I just honestly didn’t want to be going down the solicitor route esp money wise!

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    Oct 27th 2015, 2:44 PM

    I totally welcome this move.

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    Oct 27th 2015, 3:05 PM

    Unfortunately the EU roaming legislation was bundled in with legislation allowing for Internet fast lanes and slow lanes which was also approved today. Very little mention about this in the Irish media. Not a good day for Internet freedom or Net Neutrality in Europe – http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/10/net-neutrality-eu-votes-in-favour-of-internet-fast-lanes-and-slow-lanes/

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    Oct 27th 2015, 3:04 PM

    Those calling Gambia from Europe will still be hammered after 15 June 2017

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    Oct 27th 2015, 3:09 PM

    Is that where the blueshirt TD rang her yeah no boyfriend?

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    Oct 27th 2015, 2:45 PM

    Pity none of us will have the money to travel and make use of it.

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    Mute Darren Norris
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    Oct 27th 2015, 2:47 PM

    Why not? What is happening everyone in 2017?

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    Oct 27th 2015, 2:51 PM

    A serving of doom, sprinkled with gloom

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    Oct 27th 2015, 2:51 PM

    @Darren, the great poor-mouth plague is coming in 2017 or haven’t you heard?!

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    Oct 27th 2015, 3:18 PM

    The EU collapses in 2017 when the Brits vote to leave the Union.

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    Oct 27th 2015, 10:18 PM

    Ah feck off Trevor ya spanner.

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    Mute Tec
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    Oct 27th 2015, 3:13 PM

    Just buy a uk 3pay sim up the North or on Amazon and you can buy 20gb data to use anywhere in Europe for £15

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    Oct 27th 2015, 2:59 PM

    Cardiff was like St Patrick’s Day in Dublin the day of the France game……no money you say?

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    Oct 27th 2015, 3:20 PM

    Anyone else hate the 2010s and the culture, fashion, attitudes etc. that are part of it .. at least those ultra vain haircuts are dying out … Soon anyone who gets their haircut contoured to their skull to be more aesthetic will be called out as self-indulgent

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    Oct 27th 2015, 8:02 PM

    how come it takes over a year to get rid but any price hike tends to be immediate

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    Mute Dave Byrne
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    Oct 27th 2015, 6:02 PM

    I’m with 3 unlimited data and texts and can use the phone in the UK for calls and Internet use,And it doesn’t cost me anything extra except when you drop coverage and it switches to 02.

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    Mute J
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    Oct 27th 2015, 3:51 PM

    When are beanies going to get scrapped

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    Oct 27th 2015, 5:46 PM

    Why not Immediately…? If rates were to go up the consumer would be hit with the bill straight away. Joke

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    Oct 27th 2015, 5:53 PM

    hooray.

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    Oct 28th 2015, 11:03 AM

    was charged 2.99 a day when I was in Spain for ten days. had my data turned off the entire time. apparently its to pay for privilege of having your phone turned on when abroad whether you use it or not. I only used it with hotel Wi-Fi

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    Oct 27th 2015, 7:07 PM

    It was supposed to be scrapped last year, so until it is done i wont mention it.

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    Oct 27th 2015, 6:08 PM

    They’ve been telling us this for years. They’ll find some other way to fleece us.

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    Oct 27th 2015, 4:02 PM

    0871245078

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    Oct 27th 2015, 3:59 PM

    Good

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    Oct 27th 2015, 3:38 PM

    Good.

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    Oct 27th 2015, 3:02 PM

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    Oct 27th 2015, 5:45 PM

    You would be lucky to get a signal,let alone roaming charges!!..

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    Oct 27th 2015, 3:09 PM

    ,X,

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