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Religious education in schools: Two sets of rights in conflict

‘You can discriminate, including favouring one group in particular circumstances, if it is to enable the practice of that religion.”

AS 96% OF Irish primary schools are religious-run, enrolment policies are coming under more and more scrutiny each September. In this three-day special series, TheJournal.ie explores the role religion plays in our classrooms and what’s being done in the sector.

Across the globe, parents begin to worry about the schooling of their children from the moment they are born (and sometimes even before that).

For some mothers and fathers in Ireland, decisions around their children’s education are further complicated by the links between school and religion, the country’s equality and discrimination laws and the Constitution.

As it stands Ireland’s constitutional provisions around admission policies in schools contradict each other.

The Constitution says that a child has the right to attend a State-funded school even if they are opting out of religious instruction. Article 44.2.4 reads:

Legislation providing State aid for schools shall not discriminate between schools under the management of different religious denominations, nor be such as to affect prejudicially the right of any child to attend a school receiving public money without attending religious instruction at that school.

However, while discrimination in schools is generally prohibited – there is one exemption for denominational schools in the 2000 Equal Status Act.

Section 7.3 (c) states that a school does not discriminate where it admits one child in preference to another, on religious grounds.

This means that schools run under the patronage of religious organisations are entitled to exclude a child of any other religion, if a member of its own faith is looking for a place in that school.

Come September, if there are 30 places in a Catholic school up for grabs and 30 Catholic and five non-religious children are looking to enrol, the school is entitled to choose the 30 Catholic children and reject the other five. (They would not be allowed, however, to reject the five if only 25 Catholic children were looking to enrol).

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So, if a child that is not baptised applies to a school with a religious patronage – that child can be categorised based on not being baptised and will be far further down the list compared to a child that is baptised in the faith of that school.

“You can discriminate,” is the bottom line, according to David Kenny, an assistant professor in law at Trinity College Dublin.

Speaking about the complexity of the issue to TheJournal.ie, he explained that religious institutions have certain entitlements to manage their own affairs however they like.

“At the same time there are also constitutional provisions that relatively clearly say you shouldn’t discriminate against people on religious grounds,” he said.

Even though you shouldn’t discriminate against people on religious grounds –  you can discriminate, including favouring one group in particular circumstances, if it is to enable the practice of that religion.

“Essentially if a discrimination is really necessary, to ensure a particular practise, then it’s allowed and so that sort of balance has resulted in the current situation which is allowing essentially a very broad discrimination on the basis of ethos.”

Bruton’s new bill 

Last month, Education Minister Richard Bruton launched his Admission to Schools Bill, claiming it will ban waiting lists, admission fees and explicit discrimination.

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While certain types of discrimination are addressed among the new measures, the question of categorisation by religion will not be tackled by the Bill.

EQUATE is a children and family rights organisation which works for greater equality in schools. Discussing the proposed legislation, director Michael Barron said:

It is silent on the critical issue of religious discrimination in the admissions policies of most State-funded schools. The so-called ‘baptism barrier’, which allows the vast majority of Irish national schools to discriminate against children based on their religion, is not addressed in this bill.

However, the legislation will require all schools to publish their admissions policies which are to include details of the provisions for pupils who decline to participate in religious instruction.

Kenny said the new Act does not deem the current admission policies as discrimination:

It does not change the Equal Status Act 2000, so the ‘baptism barrier’ will remain intact and schools can continue to discriminate on religious ethos grounds.

April Duff of Education Equality Ireland added, “It doesn’t address religious discrimination in schools.

It makes there be transparency in admissions, but transparent or hidden discrimination isn’t any better.

“The Bill effectively skirts around the edges, in that it would seem it fails to address the most pressing problem in school admissions: discrimination on the grounds of religion in accessing places.”

Direction of the United Nations

Tackling the high rates of religious run schools and the problems of enrolment this creates for non-religious parents has been on the government’s to-do list for quite a while.

Back in 2012 previous Education Minister Ruairi Quinn announced a divestment plan, which requested Catholic institutions (which run 90% of primary schools) to assist in changing patronage and creating greater choice.

The first phase hoped to change the patronage of around 50 schools. However, so far only eights schools have actually been created as part of the divestment process.

This has been met with widespread criticism with director of EQUATE, Michael Barron describing how, “The pace of change in the area of school admissions has been frustratingly slow.”

The UN Human Rights Committee expressed its concerned about Ireland’s slow progress in establishing non-denominational schools, a report on the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights stated:

The committee is concerned… about the slow progress in increasing access to secular education through the establishment of non-denominational schools, divestment of the patronage of schools and the phasing out of integrated religious curricula in schools accommodating minority faith or non-faith children.

However, Kenny explained that the UN is making this assessment based on international human rights standards but that in terms of a domestic situation it doesn’t have a direct bearing in legal terms.

“You can’t rely on those international instruments in a direct way. Though it’s a very important statement –  it’s mostly of political rather than legal use.

If our State can’t come up with any good solutions then we will continue to be in breach of our obligations.

Two sets of conflicting rights 

Kenny also explained that, constitutionally, there are two sets of rights in conflict regarding religion education in schools and that “not everyone’s rights can win”.

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“You have the rights of parents who wish to get their children into primary schools being discriminated against because they aren’t the right religious status. And there are the education institutions and the parents – who are being served by them and getting preferential admission – whose rights are also at play.

If that’s the situation and you have multiple sets of conflicting rights that are in a zero sum clash, then the State and the Oireachtas legislating in that area has very wide discretion to balance those rights.

He added that there would only be a constitutional problem with the legislation if the balance struck was very unreasonable to one party and put “an overwhelming burden on one set of rights”.

Essentially it’s a higher standard than you would normally face if you were trying to challenge a piece of legislation because of the conflicting rights at play.

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Chairperson of Atheist Ireland, Michael Nugent told TheJournal.ie, ”The State will have to recognise its obligations under human rights law and stop discriminating against its own citizens. You can’t have half measures in this, ultimately the laws are going to have to catch up with reality.

The people are no longer in the control of the Catholic Church the way they used to be but the laws are still in place from when the Catholic Church did have control over the people so the State and the laws and the constitution have to catch up with the people and put in place laws that respect everyone’s rights equally.

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Is this constitutionally acceptable?

Ultimately, while Bruton’s Bill has been widely welcomed – it seems it doesn’t do anything to clarify the contradiction that surrounds the religious discrimination in our schools’ admissions policies.

EQUATE has published legal advice stating that there are no constitutional issues in amending Section 7.3 (c) of the Equal Status Act.

However Kenny stated, “If push came to shove and someone challenged it – the likelihood is the courts would say it’s constitutional to have this discrimination.” 

While he warned that “it’s very difficult to say any of these things with certainty”, Kenny concluded that “the current situation probably does pass the test for constitutionality”.

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Read: ‘Like most of my friends, I baptised my children so they could go to school’: The anger of Ireland’s non-religious parents>

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    @Sean Davies: I’ve been saying that for 20 years but my neighbours keep voting the feckers in!

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    @P Quinn: indeed time for a real change
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    @Liam O Connor: What lights? Don’t you mean blow out the candles?

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    @Liam O Connor: tax tax tax. Buy electric cars….. and wait for new taxes on them!!! Tax whatever the majority buy basically, some policy. Sick of the same old crap. Anyone but the usuals could run country better

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    @kevinhunt101: Bruton is the one telling us to buy electric cars and phasing out diesel/petrol.

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    @Fionnbarra O Nuallain: As opposed to bad to worse under the current lot? Time for change

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    Ireland belongs to the Irish…vote for the only party making that claim. Vote the National party.

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    @Mejo: Nope!

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    @Niall Binéad: does that include citizens that are TDs or even former justice ministers? Did you have personal details of TDs and former justice ministers because you were adding those citizens to your Christmas card list?

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    @Mejo: Anti-Corruption Ireland are for Ireland for the Irish too so I’d vote for them

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    @Mejo: The auld ethno-nationalism didn’t give a very good account of itself in the last century. Let’s leave it in the past.

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    @Clifford Brennan: a vocal supporter of Israel criticises ethno-nationalism. Rules for thee but not for me?

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    Jan 15th 2020, 1:37 PM

    @Gordon Comstock: Of course I support Israel. Its a very racially diverse nation. Saying its a Jewish nation state isn’t in the same league as the whites only gibberish of the aforementioned “Irish” parties.

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    Jan 15th 2020, 1:44 PM

    @Clifford Brennan: diverse in that they give preference of citizenship rights for different types of the Jewish ethno-religious group, and have in law that Israel exists as the nation-state for that ethno-religious group? But an Ireland that gave preference to differing Irish cultures over those of other cultures would be a form of gibberish? Your duplicity is showing.

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    @Mejo: wouldn’t vote for them workshy gombeens if they were the only ones running.

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    Jan 15th 2020, 1:54 PM

    @Gordon Comstock: They give preference to Jewish people of any ethnicity. Why not? History has illustrated the need for this. Go ask our friends spouting the white only, racial homogeneity lines if they consider any variation on this theme as being Irish or worthy of inclusion.

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    @Clifford Brennan: you do realise you’re the only one bringing “white” into the conversation. Well would it be okay if preference was given to Irish of any ethnicity above all others in a similar vein to how Israel give preference to jews of any ethnicity? I’m sure there are plenty of mixed race Irish in Britain and North America. So is “Ireland belongs to the Irish” okay so long as these people are included in the definition of Irish, or is it just a simple case of rules for thee but not for me?

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    @Clifford Brennan: and you seem to imply jews of any ethnicity enjoy equal or even similar treatment in Israel’s rainbow nation. Would you say Ashkenazis are afforded similar treatment to the forcibly sterilised returning Ethiopian jews? Why were they forcibly sterilised in a country so unconcerned with ethnicity?

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    @Gordon Comstock: Look im happy to debate anything but please don’t tell barefaced lies. Nobody was forcibly sterilised – it’s a lie I’ve seen several times in recent years. You might take a look at Bangladesh or China for the examples you’re after. As for the me bringing “white” into the discussion, unless you are naive in the extreme its patently obvious what these parties are about.

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    @Mejo: so we’re all suppose to be racists now, Father?

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    @Clifford Brennan: strange that the Israeli government would issue an official apology for a bare faced lie. Do you know why Israel was injecting Ethiopian women with long term birth control without their knowledge or consent? Do you think it might have had something to do with their race?

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-ethiopians-fooled-into-birth-control-1.5226424

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    @Niall Binéad: @Niall Binéad: Ha ha, they’re the words of Pádraig Pearse and I’m the idiot! Typical sinn fein supporter….Brits out everyone else in. Take a bow clown boy.

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    Jan 15th 2020, 2:35 PM

    @Gordon Comstock: Birth control which lasts 12 weeks is neither sterilisation and nor long term. Read this: https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-big-lie-involuntary-sterilization-of-black-ethiopian-women/

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    Jan 15th 2020, 2:41 PM

    @Clifford Brennan: 12 weeks is the minimum, return to normal fertility can take up to a year with that drug per the below link, which describes it as “long term female contraception”. Why were they administering these drugs to Ethiopian women without their knowledge or consent? Why was this practice peculiar to Ethiopian women? Do you think it might have had something to do with their race?

    https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/product/6721/smpc

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    @Gordon Comstock: Your answer is in the article I linked. Let me know how you get on.

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    @Clifford Brennan: You should also note that Haaretz retracted the article you linked here.

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    @Clifford Brennan: the claims in the article you linked are slightly undermined by the fact the Israeli government issued an official apology for the practice that was peculiar to returning Ethiopian jews. Do you think Israel was correct to issue long term birth control to women without their knowledge or consent to protect the ethnic purity of the jewish ethno-state? Do you simultaneously also believe ethno-nationalism should be left in the past for all non-jews? Rules for thee but not for me.

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    @Clifford Brennan: remarkable that the Israelis could clear themselves of any wrongdoing only three years after admitting to said wrongdoing having been blatantly caught in the act of said wrongdoing. Not like they have a dog in the fight so the remarkably low fertility rates of Ethiopian jews in Israel must have some innocent justification that can in no way implicate the “rainbow” Israeli ethno-state.

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    @Gordon Comstock: Classic confirmation bias. You shared a subsequentially retracted link and then ignore the results of a full investigation. Happy to debate. Really don’t like lies. Poor form.

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    @Clifford Brennan: From my link which I doubt you read:
    “The charge of involuntary sterilization makes no sense. If Israel wanted to limit the Jewish Ethiopian population why did they spend millions of dollars to bring tens of thousands of Ethiopian Jews to Israel in the first place? And why did they then provide the new immigrants with housing, free health care, and schooling for their children? And if Israel’s aim was population control, why did they extend the state’s generous child welfare allowances to these Ethiopian immigrants, a practice that encourages large families? The final proof of the absurdity of the forced sterilization charge is that, since their immigration, the Ethiopian population of Israel has grown in leaps and bounds.”

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    @Mejo: or don’t. Again how many minions do these lads have clicking the like button. They’ll struggle to get 100 cores in the election and they have more thumbs on the Journal. Seems to be the same strategy for all the minority parties. SF etc..

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    Jan 15th 2020, 12:25 PM

    we haven’t seen most of then since the last election

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    @☘: I had a few potholes filled.

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    Get fine gael RIC BLANK N TAN sympathisers out

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    Jan 15th 2020, 1:14 PM

    The sham debates between F.F. and F.G. just highlights the toxic politics that now exists in this country. Martin attacks F.G. Vereadka attacks F.F. The same F.F. that has propped up his government. Martin Still in denial concerning his party facilitating in the economic destruction of this country .Vereadka’s legacy.. Crumbling health service, Homelessness, Housing crisis, Scandal after Scandal. Such is the farce of FFG, R.T.E. Will show a leaders debate on T.V..problem is only Martin and Vereadka will appear. The pox debating the plague…That is the choice the electorate has been given.

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    @Donal Desmond: the pox debating the plague … Brilliant

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    Jan 15th 2020, 1:53 PM

    RTÉ announcing a debate between Varadkar and Martin only? So the two parties who agreed policy for the last government are going to debate? What’s there to debate?
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    @Peter McGlynn: SF have presently 22 TD’s. That will drop by a third. So need to have that one screaming at Us.
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    Come back Vincent Browne!!! We need you!!!

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    Jan 15th 2020, 12:54 PM

    *Parties are out littering again

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    Are there not enough criminals on the streets

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    Jan 15th 2020, 1:48 PM

    Shameful that there’s going to be a 2 party leaders debate &the 3rd largest political party omitted!

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    Jan 15th 2020, 1:58 PM

    @Nuala Mc Namara: all party leaders should be included, not just FFG v FFG

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    @Ferg: I absolutely agree,it’s only right, we’re supposed to live in a democracy after all & have General Election not a coronation!

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    @Nuala Mc Namara: well the situation is easily solved – if you dont agree with the way the debate is being run – dont tune in ! that way R.T.E dont get the viewing figures and might think again next time round – i for one won’t be watching !

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    Labour starting their walk around in Sandymount!!!!! LOL

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    Jan 15th 2020, 12:45 PM

    Ah! more of the same is all we’ll get, elitist shower of …..

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    Mute Sean Thornton
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    Jan 15th 2020, 12:55 PM

    @Paddy: I prefer elites to twits

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    Jan 15th 2020, 1:22 PM

    @Sean Thornton: twits would

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    Jan 15th 2020, 2:22 PM

    I wonder did Leo noticw when he was being driven down the N2 this morning that it wasn’t gritted despite freezing temps last night!! Unbelievable that one of the busiest National Primary routes in the country wasn’t prepared for icy road conditions!!

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    Jan 15th 2020, 6:55 PM

    @Simon Connolly: No he didn’t. He was up early this morning and took a nap in the car on the way there

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    Jan 15th 2020, 1:00 PM

    Hope it pisses.

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    Mute Patrick Monaghan
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    Jan 15th 2020, 6:53 PM

    FF/FG holding babies and pretending to care about the working class. I would hope people have copped on to that by now.

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    Mute Niall Sheridan
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    Jan 15th 2020, 1:55 PM

    Gotta love the marketing professional and focus group who came up with FG’s slogan!!! Translates as “live on old horse and you’ll eat grass“!!!

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    Mute Hank Schrader
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    Jan 15th 2020, 1:08 PM

    Yes.. Can see parties out and about as their faces blow around in the wind after coming off the poles already! Hope you’ve got your insurance policies in order to compensate for the injuries they’ll be causing – the plastic posters are lethal in the wind!

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    Jan 15th 2020, 1:14 PM

    I really don’t want to vote Labour but they’re posters are just class. All red and colourdy…very hard to resist.

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    Jan 15th 2020, 1:55 PM

    @John O’Leary: Is it the colour of their faces you see,then I shouldn’t be too surprised,will take decades to shed their embarrassment if at all.

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    Mute Suzanne Mc Aleenan
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    Jan 15th 2020, 3:03 PM

    I’ll set the dogs on them if they come to my door. Grrrrrrr

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    Jan 15th 2020, 2:46 PM

    Are any radical candidates promising zero VAT on caviar and smoked salmon?

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    Mute Denise Keller
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    Jan 15th 2020, 5:36 PM

    Leo had some work done for his campaign poster

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    Mute Declan Moran
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    Jan 15th 2020, 6:15 PM

    Dear lord don’t inflict us with those green ‘ludicrous lightbulb’ loonies or FF. FG aren’t much better. We’re not blessed with great choices are we

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    Jan 15th 2020, 10:10 PM

    @Declan Moran: interesting. In what ways exactly.?

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    Mute Gerry Fitz
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    Jan 15th 2020, 1:49 PM

    letting it being known… really?
    Proof read or use MS word which will highlight the error.
    Shoddy, very shoddy.

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    Mute Patrick Trench
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    Jan 15th 2020, 7:06 PM

    25% people will vote for ff 25 % will vote for ff.
    I thought half of america were dumb. You lot are as bad.

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    Mute Jake Kelly
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    Jan 16th 2020, 1:06 AM

    The best way to run off campaigners at your door is tell them you aren’t registered in that county. Did that the last election and I could see the cartoon speed cloud from them like they were the road runner

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    Jan 15th 2020, 11:22 PM

    No matter who wins the election, nothing will change for the man or woman on the street.. High taxes, unaffordable housing, inadequate health service, rubbish public transport, high cost of living, insurance scams, gangland violence. No point in voting if you ask me

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    Jan 16th 2020, 11:56 AM

    this every day ? thank God it’s short campaign

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    Mute Margaret Kane
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    Jan 16th 2020, 11:10 AM

    I see FG are taking there lead from Trump calling people names

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    Jan 16th 2020, 10:44 AM

    @Gordon Comstock and @Clifford Brennan – obvious american trolls, obsessed with Israel.

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    Jan 15th 2020, 11:43 PM

    hi

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    Jan 15th 2020, 1:30 PM

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