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AT LEAST SIX police officers have been shot in the US state of Louisiana with three now confirmed dead. One suspect has also been shot dead.
The shootings happened at about 9am in Baton Rouge with streets closed and police maintaining a cordon around the scene.
WBRZ News reports that a man dressed in black with his face covered began shooting indiscriminately when he walked out between a convenience store and car wash.
A police spokesperson has confirmed that three officers have died from their injuries with three others others also rushed to hospital.
Police have also said that one suspect is dead but that they believe there was more than one suspect involved in the shooting.
Baton Rouge Police Sgt. Don Coppola did not know the extent of the injuries of the police officers who were rushed to hospital.
The scene is being swept in case there is explosives in the area. Police are also asking the public to report anything suspicious as officers search for a second suspect.
President Barack Obama has condemned today’s shootings as “cowardly”.
“For the second time in two weeks, police officers who put their lives on the line for ours every day were doing their job when they were killed in a cowardly and reprehensible assault,” Obama said in a statement.
These are attacks on public servants, on the rule of law and on civilised society, and they have to stop.
The shootings follow the shooting dead of five police office in Dallas which themselves followed the fatal police shootings of two black men, Alton Sterling and Philando Castile.
Sterling’s killing also took place in Louisiana with his funeral held on Friday.
Asked about the potential motive for today’s shooting, police were unwilling to speculate.
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Seems all the recent publicity is bringing the bitter and mentally deranged out in force.
Another BLM inspired attack for sure.
Obama and the lefty black crime apologists have brought the US to the brink of a race war.
Right, it has nothing to do with their insane, trigger-happy cops shooting unarmed black men? Honestly, I’m surprised this hasn’t happened more. If Irish people were being targeted the way black people are, there would be a rebellion.
Unarmed black men aren’t being targeted. More unarmed white men have been killed by the police this year you idiot.
Probably because you have been spoon fed a narrative and base your opinion of the matter on anecdotal evidence and media hyperbole Jamie.
What compliant unarmed black men are they shooting Jamie? Would you also like to address black on black violence and how the minority are responsible for the majority of the crimes? I’d like you to address these issues wise Jamie?
Jamie. Actually it hasn’t. Far more White people are killed by the Police each year than Blacks. Yet Blacks account for 40% of Police Officers murdered in the line of duty when they only make up 13% of the total population. And if you were to break those numbers down further by removing adult females, Children, those males over 50 and the disabled it would give you about 4% of the Population and if one were to say 3/4 of them were law abiding it means that <1% of the population are responsible for 40% of Police Deaths. Now as Police Officers don't have Psychic Abilities to tell who is a potential threat and who isn't they for their own safety must treat the entire 4% as potentially hostile.
Mick, 28 police were shot and killed last year. That’s less than half the number that died in crashes. Civilians shot and killed by police was over 1000. Its a ratio of about 40 to 1.
Sorry, it’s two more than the number that dies in crashed. The number killed by black people is less than half those killed in crashes
Jamie BLM is an anti White, Racist, domestic terrorist organization…. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/caught-video-black-lives-matter-leader-calls-running-shooting-police/
There’s dangerous Dave now, lock up yer daughters!
Feckin genius.
Dave. It doesn’t change the % killed by young Black Men.
@Rowe …. and heavily influenced by the Muslim Brotherhood if not controlled by them now.It’s an MB specialty infiltrating and finally taking over and directing ops.
What’s your point dave? 40k people on average die in car crashes in the US a year, what’s your point?
Hardly surprising given that blacks only make up 13% of the population?!!
@ Rob & Pt Pat Hardly surprising that more whites than blacks have been killed, given that whites are 72% of the population and blacks 12%. Any chance of quoting the proportional figures?
CAIR who are basically the Muslim Brotherhood in the US, use BLM as a pawn.
In a speech delivered to the Annual MAS-ICNA (Muslim American Society and Islamic Circle of North America) Convention in December 2015, Nihad Awad, the Executive Director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), urged Muslim Americans to take up the cause of Black Lives Matter. “Black Lives Matter is our matter,” he said; “Black Lives Matter is our campaign.”
Aren’t they the Clintons militia? The black panthers provide security for the dodgy Clintons?
Zonker… 62% of all the violent crimes in the US was by black males. It’s all on the fbi website. Unless of course you think the fbi is also racist. So 13% of the population committed 62% of the crime. Kinda goes against your agenda zonker
Mick I’m not talking about race. The number of police killed is in double figured per year, the number of unarmed civilians is in treble figures. It’s at a rate of about 5 to 1.
I wonder will the murders of police force the much needed gun control that the U.S badly needs when the slaughter of children has failed to do so?
Dave of those 1000 killed by Police 120 were classified as Unarmed (no firearms) and included in that 120, 40 were killed in Traffic Accidents involving Police Vehicles, 2 were killed in Cross Fire. 3 Killed by their Police Spouse in domestic disbutes, 47 violently resisting arrest, 2 from falling off buildings/bridges while being chased by Police. 7 illegally by Police, 13 driving a vehicle at Police and 7 with bottles or sticks.
Looks like the BLM inspired shooters set an ambush for the police by calling the emergency services, police responded, and were cornered and fired upon.
Mick I’d love to see a source for that as most sources say 89% of those killed by police were killed by gunshot
Also your numbers don’t add up.
@Dave Think what those figures are saying is that someone driving a vehicle at police officers is classed as unarmed, etc.
Dave of those killed by Police Gun Shot how many were armed and a threat to the Police or others?
Mick right now I’m more interested in your story of how 121 of the unarmed 120 you claim were killed by police were not shot
Take race out of it. 1010 shot and killed last year, 1 in 5 were unarmed. 202.
Rob OBrien if you don’t live in the states you don’t understand
If you want to know what’s going on in the states live with us in the southern states otherwise stay in Britain or what’s left of it
Seems someone doesn’t want Trump becoming the next POTUS.
Blacks protest and riot over the innocent black man Alton Sterlings death. He was a pillar of his community. All he ever did was…
9/09/96 – Aggravated battery
10/31/97 – 2nd degree battery
1/06/98 – Simple battery
5/04/00 – Public intimidation
9/20/00 – Carnal knowledge of a juvenile
9/04/01 – Domestic violence
5/24/05 – Burglary of an inhabited dwelling place
7/11/05 – Receiving stolen things
9/12/05 – Burglary of inhabited dwelling place
3/17/06 – Simple criminal damage to property, simple robbery, simple theft, drug possession, misrepresentation during booking, simple battery, aggravated battery
4/12/06 – Aggravated battery, simple criminal damage to property, disturbing the peace, unauthorized entry
4/04/08 – Domestic abuse battery
6/03/09 – Resisting an officer, drug possession, receiving stolen things, possession of stolen firearm, illegal carrying of a weapon with CDs, sound reproduct without consent
10/12/09 – Illegal carrying of weapon, marijuana possession
8/13/15 – Failure to register as a sex offender
4/08/16 – Failure to register as a sex offender
6/14/16 – Ecstacy and marijuana possession
Dave. A few days ago someone posted at link to a site that named the 120 unarmed civilians Killed by the Police. And in that link it gave the details of their names ages and how they were killed. So after about 2 hrs of going through each and every one I wrote down the reasons for their Deaths. And the above figures came up.
Now if you would like to stop trying to avoid my question and answer it.
Why not post the link then Mick. I not only answered your question, i also sourced it.
Ok math isn’t your strong point, if 1 in 5 was unarmed then 4 in 5 was armed. Therefore as armed or unarmed is determined after the fact that means less than 4 in 5 was armed and posing a threat.
Folks, I live in Canada, and I’ve spent tons of time in the States. If you honestly believe black people aren’t profiled here and harassed more than white people, then you are living in a fairy tale world. I’ve literally seen it happen time and again, because you know, I actually KNOW BLACK PEOPLE.
Chlorines72, none of that was known to police at the time so it did not have an impact on the incident.
Well said,Jamie ..
But posters like you and the MSM Ttryto make all these thugs out to be innocent saints.
*try to
Mick, Where did you get your stats from – they don’t seem to match The Guardian…which suggests 229 unarmed killed in 2015?
So you agree 4/5 of all those shot were armed. Armed as in having a firearm. Now take that 1/5 and ask how many were armed with Knives, Axes or other Bladed weapons? We will be generous and say half. Now that would leave us with about 120. Of which I have broken down for you.
I forgot to add in Imitation and pellet guns in the Unarmed section.
Mick, you have still failed to address that your own numbers don’t add up. Also, you are now guessing at figures. Shooting a person that has a knife is not justified. That’s what tasers are for. You also failed to account for any of the 49 deaths in police custody. Which, as they were in custody were unarmed. Your numbers are completely fictional
Don’t allow the leftists to push us into a race war. Just pull the police from the inner cities and let the animals self destruct
I would be to differ. A Knife or Bladed weapon will kill you just as quickly as a gun will.
The hankies have been shifting off the shelves at a serious rate of knots ..
Chlorine – you’re drunk .
Francis – you’re a troll.
Chlorine – only a troll would say such a thing
Mick, still no source? The effective range of a knife is about 2 feet. So unless they are that close shooting is done when the officers life is not in danger, therefore unjustified
Notice the way the article doesn’t state the race of the cops that were shot or the shooter,I wonder if it was a white shooter killing black cops would the race of the individuals be mentions?
Dave. I didn’t post the original link. I just anylized it. But if you care to look back over several days worth of threads I am sure you will find the poster and original link.
Honestly, have you been to the southern states? Have you spent any time there? If not, there is no way you have any bloody idea what you’re on about. I’ve actually seen it happen, so don’t sell me this garbage that I’m “buying into media spin”. How many among you chirpers have black friends? I would confidently wager that that number is probably ZERO. How the hell could you know what black people go through if you live in Ireland?
Jamie ,A race war will not work. There are way too many people Black and White that are friends and care about each other. Hate only has one place, and has found a home with liberals like your good self.
I wouldn’t bother with them Jamie,they usually bark among themselves until they get worn out,nobody pays attention to their views.
So Mick you’re now distancing yourself from your unreliable numbers? Interesting move.
Oh well Pt Pat that’s alright then. Except you haven’t adjusted for population. When you do that you see that black men are 2.5 times more likely to be shot by police.
Anecdotally though I find that people who use pejorative terms such as ‘idiot’ do so through a lack of both reasoning and terminology.
I’m aghast Cholly. You honestly don’t know about compliant black men being shot?
And are you suggesting that black on black violence somehow makes extra legal shootings ok? Or what?
And you will find that the minority are responsible for the majority of crimes in most countries. I’ll leave it to you Cholly to figure the socio-political reasons for that.
Jamie I’ll save you the time and energy, none of them do, they love their hate filled bubble and rarely leave.
Dave. If you had bothered to read my previous comments I stated that I didn’t post the original link. But you either saw it and chose to ignore it or you didn’t bother reading it. Either way not my problem.
He was a filthy paedophile and a gangbanger , MSM failed to mention this, sky and bbc have been going with ‘local father of 5′ BS.
Mick, whether you published it or not is irrelevant. You have information you say is correct even though it doesn’t add up. I asked where you got it. I’m afraid some other guy said it doesn’t really lend you any credibility. It’s not up to me to provide the source if your “information”
OMG, you want people to take you seriously and then you go and spoil it all by throwing up a link to the Guardian. FFS
OMG LOL SMH Soz FFS
Seriously the world is gone to f**k !!!
@Jamie
Sorry Jamie I completely disagree with you there. I lived in America for 14 years. Detroit (horrid place), Boston and New York. The American cops are arseholes to everyone regardless if you are black or white. How many times I saw “gangsters” giving out to cops making things worse for themselves. Save your pity for those who deserve it.
SumEtiamtum and you’re not adjusting for crime rates which is much more important than population. 95% of people killed by cops are men, is that because the police are sexist against men, obviously not. It is because men commit a lot more crime than women and are far more likely to attack cops. The same goes for race, black men are far more likely to commit crime and more likely to attack police, therefore they are more likely to get killed by the police. That’s why so few Asian Americans are killed by police, because they commit very little crime.
Actually Pat, you’re not quite telling the truth, over 50% of those killed by police belong to a minority group, so if we take the accepted number of black people and take that away from the total minority number it still leave a disproportionate number of other minorities killed by police
Was he a traveller?
Makes sense…the Chinese and Filipinos behave.Jewish men dont rape.we arent all equal.
Actually police are lawfully allowed to use higher level of force to protect their life. If perp uses physical, cop can use non lethal force, pepper spray, taser or baton. If perp uses a weapon like knife or a club the officer is allowed to use lethal force if he feels his life or another’s life is in eminent danger. That’s the law in the U.S. So yes a cop can shot an attacker with a knife.
Police in the U.S. Can shoot an attacker with a knife. A knife is considered a lethal weapon.
Black people and white people actually get along very nicely in the south.
Mark I did actually include that detail in my answer.
“Hate begets hate; violence begets violence; toughness begets a greater toughness. We must meet the forces of hate with the power of love.”
Oh how your country needs your like again Dr King.
Instead we have this racist looking of the oregon blm branch looking for black people to kill police. He was openly filmed looking for violence.. “Whatever you do, you pull your pistol out and f*cking bust them… Trust me when you see me move, I’m moving in violence. We need action. I don’t give a f*ck if you knock them over, whether you run up on them, whatever you do, you better f*ckin take action.”
It is sad but it was probable that the execution style killing of Philandro Castile would provoke retaliatory murders.
Violence is not the solution.
Guns are not the solution.
It is important that the police always act with restraint and proportionality because excessive violence from the police is simply too provocative at a time when such violence is likely to be caught on video.
So in your opinion Micheal, should a police officer hold their fire when there is a serious risk of them being shot for fear of the incident being recorded?
“The first public sermon that King ever gave, in 1947 at the Ebenezer Baptist Church, was plagiarized from a homily by Protestant clergyman Harry Emerson Fosdick entitled “Life is What You Make It,” according to the testimony of King’s best friend of that time, Reverend Larry H. Williams. ”
“FBI: King Bought Sex With SCLC Money
The Federal Bureau of Investigation had for many years been aware of Stanley Levison’s Communist activities. It was Levison’s close association with King that brought about the initial FBI interest in King.
Lest you be tempted to believe the controlled media’s lie about “racists” in the FBI being out to “get” King, you should be aware that the man most responsible for the FBI’s probe of King was Assistant Director William C. Sullivan. Sullivan describes himself as a liberal, and says that initially “I was one hundred per cent for King…because I saw him as an effective and badly needed leader for the Black people in their desire for civil rights.” The probe of King not only confirmed their suspicions about King’s Communist beliefs and associations, but it also revealed King to be a despicable hypocrite, an immoral degenerate, and a worthless charlatan.
According to Assistant Director Sullivan, who had direct access to the surveillance files on King which are denied the American people, King had embezzled or misapplied substantial amounts of money contributed to the “civil rights” movement. King used SCLC funds to pay for liquor, and numerous prostitutes both Black and White, who were brought to his hotel rooms, often two at a time, for drunken sex parties which sometimes lasted for several days. These types of activities were the norm for King’s speaking and organizing tours.”
http://www.martinlutherking.org/thebeast.html
Jason, I referred to a specific case, the Castile case, in which the black victim was executed by the police officer. It was a grossly excessive, disproportionate and excessive use of force.
It was a highly provocative incident, unjustified and the explanation, not the justification, for the subsequent murders.
The actions of police officers resonate beyond the direct consequences of the incident itself.
@Michael
You are calling the shooting of Philandro Castile an execution. What do you know about the shooting that it can be described in this way?
The evidence as reported and recorded. It was a wholly unjustified killing, an execution, and has contributed to the murder of 8 police officers. It was a bad days work by a bad police officer with terrible consequences extending out beyond the direct killing of the victim.
Bridges need to be built between the black community and police forces. The tensions and mutual antipathy need to be defused. Increasing the violence in a tit for tat escalation will just cost more lives.
@StevenOCarroll.
Do you feel even the least bit embarassed that you linked to a site hosted by Stormfront?
(it’s even clickable at the bottom of the page)
Most reasonable people would be.
Regards,
@Andrew Eager
I don’t know who “hosts”. What I care more about is, is the information factual and what are the sources of that information, perhaps you should be embarrassed you are motivated by who hosts information rather than the content of the information.
@Michael
The evidence says he had a gun and that the officer pulled the car over because he thought he might be a suspect from a recent armed robbery, also all the “evidence and reports as recorded” is not in yet, so can you provide me a link to show me the evidence and reports you are relying on to make a judgement that this was an execution.
@Andrew Eager
Oh and no, I would not be embarrassed to link something to Stormfront, they are as qualified or capable as any website of producing articles or providing links to articles that are factual, indeed they may be far better in that regard than any of the Open-border media news sites, who spin and twist the truth. The most important thing is to check the sources and facts of any websites article. So no Andrew nothing to apologise or be embarrassed about at all, try that emotional blackmail on some white who is susceptible to your manipulative guilt-trip attempt.
Check the sources
SOC – you reference some hidden, unreleased unsubstantiated rumours, from an agency with a less than glowing record. are you that naive?
CNN.com – The FBI’s interest in King intensified after the March on Washington in August 1963, when King delivered his “I have a dream speech,” which many historians consider the most important speech of the 20th century. After the speech, an FBI memo called King the “most dangerous and effective Negro leader in the country.”
The bureau convened a meeting of department heads to “explore how best to carry on our investigation [of King] to produce the desired results without embarrassment to the Bureau,” which included “a complete analysis of the avenues of approach aimed at neutralizing King as an effective Negro leader.”
The FBI began secretly tracking King’s flights and watching his associates. In July 1963, a month before the March on Washington, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover filed a request with Attorney General Robert Kennedy to tap King’s and his associates’ phones and to bug their homes and offices.
Michael… you saw a video clip and think you know exactly what happened prior to this. The police don’t have a voice. They can’t comment until after the evidence is presented. Castile very likely got hostile and pulled the gun, what we do know is that on his fb page je supported the black panthers and made comments “by whatever means” ie violence. You actually know very little except media hyperbole but it suits your faux outrage
lol I love how people for get the part of American history, like remember when the cia decided to pump inprison’ed African American men with lsd for months to see what happened?
@SumEtiamtum
MLK’s plagiarism is not in doubt, including the pure rip of the “I have a dream speech” from black republican Rev. Archibald Carey, Jr.
The FBI files on King are sealed until 2027, which is somewhat odd, because if they disprove any smears they would be released immediately, one would have thought. If what former assistant FBI director William Sullivan said is true, then that might be a reason to keep them sealed. I agree the FBI are a dubious crowd. Director W. Sullivan said he was a liberal and at first admired and was a fan of MLK. If one is to believe that or not.
BLM is the worst thing to ever happen to black lives.
Obvious troll
How is it an obvious troll Dave? Plenty of video, audio and written evidence of the racist BLM organisation stoking hatred and calling for violence against the police.
Jason, the worst thing to happen to black people? I’m not saying BLM is a good thing I’m just saying maybe a history book should be consulted
Jason
Cop on lad & smell the coffee ..
Dave. If you want to use History to back up your argument then everyone can do it. The French, Dutch, Belgians, Poles, Norwegians et al should hate the Germans. But they don’t The vast majority of Irish, Indians, South Africans, East Africans, and Americans should hate the British but they don’t.
Nobody mentioned hate Mick. Just that it wasn’t a good thing. Do those you’ve mentioned acknowledge that it was a bad thing?
BLM are the Klan with a tan
Yes let’s all consult history books to find out what’s happening now.
Semantics Dave.
@Dave
Depends whose version of history you are partial to.
Example Mick, the overwhelming majority of Irish people do not hate English people but do acknowledge that the English of the time were responsible for many very, very bad things that happened to Irish people
theJynxeffect
Racism is rife against the black people in America .No book needed..
@Fracis
Yup, black president
many black mayors
many black heads of police departments
plenty of affirmative action and discrimination against whites who may be better for a job
Blacks who are responsible for themselves and get on with their lives, disagree with your opinion.
What do Black People Really Think About #BlackLivesMatter?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV8Y1Fr9cYc
White Open-borders nutters, get out of your virtue signalling used to hide your hate-groove!
Dave. And are the constantly protesting about it? Are they crying about the injustice of it or have they left it where it belongs, in history?
Oh look,another youtube link.Whoopee!
Let me say it again for you : Racism is rife in America
Mick, I replied to a comment that said that BLM was the worst thing to ever happen to black lives. I made no comment as to whether people should or shouldn’t be protesting.
Again semantics.
Mick, people are protesting rightly or wrongly about current events. The fact that you can’t even make a coherent argument says it all really. Your information comes from “some guy on another thread”
As an Irish person who lived in a poor town in one of the southern states and saw first hand the divisions that were on open display between whites and blacks, not to mention the proliferation of weaponry and the ease of access of same, I can tell you as a fact, the violence is self perpetuating. It’s ingrained in the culture there. You are either on one side or the other, there is no middle ground, the choice is made for you. You can not believe the tension in the air if a white guy were to walk into a room of African-Americans and vice versa unless you have been in the situation. It was next to impossible to find a neutral venue there.
Even been seen talking to African-Americans drew, first glances of disapproval from people passing by and eventually, after having been taken to the side by one white individual,(I’m white by the way, in case you think I’m taking a side here) earned me a stern talking to and a very thinly veiled threat. It was something along the lines of castration, but you can guess the rest.
Gun ownership is enshrined in the Constitution and America holds these values very dear. Having a gun is a drug in itself. There is an unbelievable sense of power intrinsic in the mere act of holding one in your hand. It levels the playing field as such. It’s a cocktail for disaster and I have seen it happen with my own eyes.
Guns + racism = bad mix
From the videos I have seen of people shot by the police that person was either resisting them or not following their direction and due to the risk of them being armed they wound up shot by the cop. Obey the law and follow directions and you won’t get shot.
Today’s incident is murder of innocent officers by a criminal who will hopefully meet a similar fate.
Philando Castile obeyed the law and followed directions and he was still shot dead by a police officer. BLM.
That’s one example of a man unjustly shot for no reason Patrick, however that doesn’t change the fact that the majority of black individuals shot by police every year are armed and dangerous.
Sadly, the Castile execution type killing has contributed to the murders of the police officers in Dallas in Baton Rouge.
The problem is not the justified killings by police officers. It is the unjustified killings by police officers. Even a small number of such killings have a highly provocative effect.
Of course, a heavily armed society is what raises the stakes and places police officers in a situation in which every encounter with a suspect is potentially lethal.
So, excessive and disproportionate responses from the police may simply be the price to be paid for a heavily armed society with ubiquitous guns.
This is what happens when a country’s police force mutates into a murder squad.
Not condoning this action by any means but there ALWAYS comes a time when the people say Enough.
Or it happens when the media and the racist Black Lives Matter movement feed people wrong information that the police are specifically targeting and killing young unarmed black men, even though all the stats show its not true. This is not people saying enough is enough, this is criminals committing criminal acts.
@Ricky Grimes …….Is that your real name Ricky Grimes?And what did you mutate from?
Bacteria.
No, this is what happens when the media and the racist Black Lives Matter movement feed people the lie that police officers are purposefully killing black men, even though all the facts, stats and common sense say otherwise.
This isn’t people saying enough is enough, it’s criminals committing crimes.
If the police forces in the US wanted black people dead the easiest thing to do would be to stop policing black communities. They wouldn’t need “murder squads”. Between gang violence and drugs they’d pretty much wipe themselves out.
The police have not mutated into a murder squad, and asking people to fill out a census form has nothing to do with totalitarianism. Do you ever listen to yourself?
I talk to myself a lot……………but I seldom listen.
You’d be well fu(ked without guns Rick. And Negan’s got you. Please escape.
Give it a try.
Ricky
I wouldn’t blame you not listening to yourself, you talk an awful lot of shyte
Thanks Nick.
I’m beginning to feel right at home here.
You’re not condoning. You’re just victim blaming
@ Paddy Ryan 6 hours ago #
100% agree
‘Shoot to Kill’ by any force is rightly detested by most people. Can’t help but believe, after seeing the video of the young lad, white lad, who was shot 4 times by Police, the video released by the Police Dept, and he was unarmed and never pointed a weapon, that a Taser would have done the job and that young fella would be alive now.
Not condoning anything here but the Police in the USA aren’t helping themselves. But others with an agenda are whipping up a storm and this is the result of it.
If you saw that video of the white guy intentionally holding one hand behind his back as if he had a gun and you think it wasn’t justified to shoot him, you’re an idiot plain and simple.
The execution afterwards is another issue, but a “taser” wouldn’t have worked in a country where any nutjob can get a gun and harm police. They had no idea what he was going to do and he was making life intentionally difficult.
I’m with Malachi on this. The first two shots were justified. He left them with no choice but to assume he was armed amd reaching for his gun
@malachi, your’e descent into personal insult defines you and your bloodthirsty attitude defines you even further but it’s your complete ignorance of what a Taser is and can do that disqualifies your opinion as the rantings of a complete ignoramus.
Gerry if he had a gun a taser was just as likely to disarm him as to cause him to fire. Also very classy of you to stay above the personal insults.
He’s not wrong Gerry, tasers are highly limited in what they can and cannot do.
If you’re further than 15m away from your target, they’re practically useless. A pistol, on the other hand, can be used by a competent marksman out to 100m. If your target is mentally unstable or on mind altering drugs then tasers have a proven reliability problem.
Guns just work better when faced with mentally unstable and armed individuals. That’s an inarguable fact.
Bloodthirsty Gerry? I’m not sure you watched the same video I did. The fella was pretending he had a gun in a country with 320 million guns in front of armed officers who feared for their lives.
If you think shooting him (first two shots) was unjustified I am struggling to comprehend your reasoning. The insult is hyperbole, fine, but seriously the reasoning here is sub par to say the least.
I referred to a specific incident for which there is video evidence and it’s clear that the lad could have been disabled with a taser while being covered by other officers with guns, the shots were fired in a manner which reminded me of the execution of a dangerous dog, it was cold and calculated and completely unwarranted because no weapon was seen at any stage and the young lad was obviously not capable of communicating.
There is no evidence that that the cops in question even had access to a Taser or ever even considered using it if they had and that in itself tells a story about policing and the threat they feel.
I’d urge you to look at the video again and decide, given the range and the circumstances and the number of guns trained on the young lad if one shot with a Taser could have been tried.
Gerry, quick question, why did they pull him over?
Eagle eye I agree it doesnt require a huge amount of usefull brain matter to follow an instruction given by a person who carries a gun. A dog can learn to follow an instruction why cant people do the same.
Simple Bad attitude is the cause.
Not following an instruction shouldn’t get you shot!
It’s from the top down. Hussein Obama who stoked up all the race hatred sinc elected pres. The sooner the better he’s off the stage for good.
I know we shouldn’t feed the trolls, bit you’re off your face right?
Can you please expand on this ridiculous statement? How is this Obama’s fault?
Patrick J is a few sandwiches short of a picnic
Patrick definitely isn’t one for stoking hatred. Loves and respects everyone as far as I can see from his comments.
That’s the dumbest comment I think I ever heard
@Breandan O hEidhin……………Since Obama became pres. race relations have plummeted. Google all the polls and articles on US race relations as it pertains to Obama’s presidency and the results are simolar. Here’s one below. Hope you all have a long attention span.
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…”Perhaps the most damning evidence against the president and his administration is that in the last four years alone, the percentage of Americans who believe racism is on the rise has nearly doubled. That sharp increase has come even amid little evidence that verified incidents of racism are on the rise. Indeed, efforts by the media to document a significant increase in police shootings of minorities have yielded little. New York City data, for instance, show that the number of times that police discharge their weapons every year has been declining for decades. And a close analysis of a Washington Post database on current shootings by police across America, which describes them in detail, reveals that many were justified.
It’s difficult now to ignore the role that President Obama has played in our growing racial divisions. Elected on themes of hope and renewal, his very ascendancy a powerful statement about the country’s racial journey, he chose to use the White House as a vehicle to introduce a new era of racial grievance into our national discourse. Unfortunately, he succeeded in this effort—and failed America….”
http://www.city-journal.org/html/obamas-biggest-failure-14638.html
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Well done on referencing a blog article which is complete opinion btw. You’re talking about a correlation in race relations and Obama’s administration? Correlation does not imply causation. I just can’t remember Obama inciting any hate towards any race and to blame these problems on one man is just an easy and lazy excuse!!!
And from TheAmerican Thinker.
….”The last Democratic president and the last Republican president both managed race relations more effectively than Obama has. Seven years after American voters made history by electing the country’s first black president, racial tensions have worsened.
It didn’t rank on Obama’s one-item list of his “few regrets” during his State of the Union address. But signs of Obama’s failure are on our streets, on our campuses and among our leaders, left and right.
“Ferguson” has become shorthand for African-American fury objecting to insensitive white cops harassing young blacks.
The “Black Lives Matter” movement has spilled into American campus culture, as privileged kids attending the world’s finest universities bemoan their alleged oppression — bullying anyone who challenges them.
This black backlash has prompted a white backlash, personified by Donald Trump.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/07/race_relations_will_be_obamas_biggest_failure.html#ixzz4EgUMb7mR
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Bush managed race relations better? Is that what you’re saying?
Dragged a country into an unjust war, costing mad amounts of money while many areas in the US become more deprived. These are mostly black or Hispanic areas for your information.
You are off your rocket man
@KalEll…….For once you’re almost right KalEll. Everyone but hate-mongering Islamo-fascists who motivated the murderer of all those persons mowed down in France and multiple terrorist acts around the globe ..
I reckon you hate and like whoever Breitbart tell you to Patrick
Other sources are saying 8 shot and 2/3 believed to be dead.
Cops Lives Matter
It’s almost like the actions of police have radicalised people.
No, BLM is doing that.
“These officers acted improperly and killed and unarmed black man, it is unjustified”
“Yes, of course the solution is to randomly kill police officers that had nothing to do with this unjust act”
People who do these types of things are not “radicalised” by police. They are radicalised by hate groups that feed their idiocy.
Malachi who are you quoting?
The idiots who think that shooting innocent police officers is somehow ‘revenge’ or ‘comeuppance’ for police killings they feel were unjustified.
It’s probably the type of logic the guy who shot these police subscribed to.
Who precisely is actually defending the police killings? The murders are indefensible.
So what you’re saying is nobody said that
Who is defending the killings of the police in Dallas and in Baton Rouge?
I have personally seen no sources quoting anyone specific identified by name for defending these murders.
If anyone is defending these murders they should be identified by name. Quotations and attribution are appropriate.
I hope none of them are black…..it could spark a violent protest by BLM.
This is a natural response to when you militerise your police force. The hatred towards police in America is being worse with every shooting
Gangs ripping into one another kill far more black people every year than the police. On top of this, the fast majority of black people killed by police were armed and a danger to the lives of the police and innocent bystanders.
It’s got nothing to do with black communities in the US being deprived and generally of lower economic status Jason?
The war on drugs is a complete failure, which only leads to a growth in gang violence and criminal records.
Add in institutional racism throughout American society and a gun problem which is out of control and this sh#t is bound to happen and escalate.
Once again you stand by Murica’s law enforcement without looking at the bigger picture
Breandan. If Police in the US are as racist as you want to make out. Why isn’t there an Asian Lives Matter movement or an Hispanic Lives Matter movement or an Native American Lives Matter movement. Why isn’t the multiple complaints from any of these ethnic groups?
What institutional racism? Slavery ended 200 years ago. The civil rights movement acquired equal rights more than 50 years ago. The excuse of institutional racism ended quite some time ago.
Black people receiving 20% longer sentences for similar crimes, making up the majority of those stopped and searched etc http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578304463789858002
Having lived in the US for 18 months in the city of Boston, racism against black Americans continues, sometimes subtly and sometimes not so subtly.
Boston is a reasonably liberal place. It seems not unlikely that racism is more extreme and prevalent outside of the city of Boston.
The attacks on Obama because of his skin colour and the factually inaccurate attribution of Obama being a Muslim, when he is not, are examples of this.
I was shocked to see the level of racial prejudice against black people in Boston. It was striking and obvious.
“What institutional racism? Slavery ended 200 years ago. The civil rights movement acquired equal rights more than 50 years ago. The excuse of institutional racism ended quite some time ago.”
Is there equal rights in housing & education ?
Access to health, employment and recruitment discrimination are also areas of difficulty fir black Americans. Law enforcement is another area of discrimination.
The denial of the reality of racism does not eliminate racism.
Dave could the reason for longer sentences for similar have anything to do with having longer criminal records?
As standard practice during sentencing the Judge will ask the Prosecutor to read out all the defendants previous criminal record and sentence s based on both Crime and record.
Michael. Black have the same chance in joining the Police as anyone else. Blacks simply don’t join in the same ratio per capita as Whites do. That is not down to racism on the part of the Police Force.
No Mick -it ‘cos they’re black ..
Mick, if you insist on not reading sources provided then there’s no point in you even commenting
Dave. Stop crying. Build a bridge and get over yourself.
Mick, you have provided no sources for your nonsense and have even distanced yourself from the information you provided when you realised it was nonsense.
Dave. I know from experience of doing Court duty how sentencing goes. Can you say the same?
So Dave. I will ask you again. Could the main reason for Black’s getting longer sentences be down to the fact they have longer criminal records than others?
Mick, read the source I provided. The answer to your question is in there
“The research suggests that when you compare what happens to black and whites who are engaging in the same illegal activity and have the same criminal history, African Americans are more likely to be arrested, more likely to face tougher charges, and more likely to receive longer sentences than their caucasian counterparts.”
Native Americans were put on reservations and segregated from main stream society. They are among the poorest and most marginalised of all “Americans” in the aggregate.
The majority of Asian Americans immigrated following immigration reform in the 1960s. The wealthy and middle class came with funds to establish bulkheads in the states. They settled in Asian American communities and engaged in collective societies.
Hispanics are equally if not, more marginalised than blacks. And they have a multitude of organisations that promote their cause. They regularly march, protest, and call attention to their plight. No, they don’t have names like “Hispanics Matter” because their names are in Spanish e.g. Si Puedo, and CASA of Maryland, etc.
http://www.wpr.org/immigrant-advocates-plan-day-without-latinos-protest-thursday
Sorry Dave but it Doesn’t. All it is saying is in its findings that Black get longer sentences than other of the same crime. What it doesn’t do like I have explained is take into account that those Black’s that the report looked at may have a long list of prior convictions thus leading to them getting longer sentences. Who is going to get the longer sentence for say Burglary. The first time Offender or the Guy with 20 prior convictions?
Awww Mick, does the phrase “similarly situated” not mean anything to you?
Not really Dave because it so general as to be meaningless.
Mick, not unlike yourself then.
The racist movement black lives matter is stirring tensions so bad that the second racist police attack has occurred. You won’t see white people having violent protests though. We are too civilized.
So you’re saying black people are uncivilised?
Amy – have you ever seen those ‘civilised’ white sports supporters rioting ? LOL
Hmmm
Max -would you like to swap two of those m’s for a y & an n ?
Free guns & bullets for everyone.. People are gone get shot!!
No wonder they shot a man you refuse to get his hand out of his back pocket while walking towards them .we can all say it’s wrong try being in a job where all the wrong people have acess to guns
Where do you guys get this ? At least 8 shot, 2 dead :(
The second class citizens are finally fighting back.
Dave I’m saying the black people involved in the racist violent black lives matter protests are uncivilized. Sure a black man only recently admitted targeting white people to kill and you don’t see white people losing the plot.
“you won’t see white people protesting violently. We’re too civilized” your spelling of civilised is amusing though. Lets not forget, it was one man in Dallas shooting at police at a peaceful protest
It is not simply a matter of race or of Black Lives Matter.
It is a combination of poorly trained police recruited from some of those with no temperamental aptitude for the work, extreme police nervousness in dealing with a heavily armed civilian population where the probability of a gun attack on the police is a significant possibility, racial prejudice on the part of a minority of the police to the black community, gun culture, an alienated section of society who perceive of the police as the enemy and not allies, a sense of victimisation on the part of some, the higher probability of being shot death by the police if you are black, because of the perceived greater threat, social inequality, questionable police conduct in at least a few cases and a more polarised society.
All human lives matter, including black lives.
All police forces depend on the support of the majority of the community. The police and civic authorities need to reach out to the alienated sections of society and the leaders of activist groups for minority sections of society need to respond positively and collaboratively.
It would be obtuse to deny the ubiquity of licensed and unlicensed guns as a significant contributory factor. Estimates of total number of guns in the entire of US vary from 320 million upwards. That’s too many guns and too much temptation is a gun culture society.
Police also need to be aware that disproportionate and excessive violence from a tiny minority of their own members place all police lives at risk.
Over generalisation is a major analytical failure. Not all police are bad. Not all black activists are bad.
The situation of incipient antagonism could deteriorate until all interest groups realise that killing is not the solution. Violence begets violence.
Ah Michael. I have to keep pointing it out because the hypocrisy is just astounding. You didn’t give an explanation last time either.
When Jo Cox was murdered in cold blood, you blamed the Brexit campaigners for stirring up intolerance or other such nonsense.
Now when police officers get murdered in cold blood, Black Lives Matter take absolutely zero blame for it.
You can’t have it both ways.
Black Lives Matter have not been shown to be in any way complicit in the killings. It was a protest which was taken advantage of by the killers. Who are hateful of and antagonistic to the police because of recent incidents.
In the case of Jo Cox, it was extreme right wing ideology of the neo Nazi type which inspired the perpetrator, a member of two Nazi groups, to kill Jo Cox who was engaged actively in the Remain campaign.
Please identify any specific evidence you are purporting to rely on in holding Black Lives Matter complicit in or responsible for these murders.
Nah now you’re rowing back on your previous linking of the Cox murder to Brexit, not just Nazis.
I believe you said that Brexit acted as a “trigger” for the murder of Jo Cox.
How then does the fact that many BLM activists have been calling for the death of police, or even just white police, not act as a “trigger” for police killings?
It seems to me that there’s a far bigger case to be made for the latter. You think endorsements of violence against police aren’t taken seriously?
Please provide evidence of who in BLM has called for the murder of police.
“Black Lives Matter have not been shown to be in any way complicit in the killings.”
This video of BLM members in New York chanting “What do we want? Dead cops” would suggest otherwise Micheal:
Michael, there are multiple instances, the “Pigs in blankets fry ‘em like bacon” chant and the aforementioned “dead cops” chanting both qualify as borderline incitement to murder in my eyes, though US law is very tolerant of speech.
Then there’s the BLM leader who had tweeted to her followers that she just wanted to kill white people while also referencing police.
Malachi, got that tweet handy there by any chance?
Jason, entirely unjustified, wrong and disgusting, but it seems that some members of BLM are as extreme as those members of the police forces who use disproportionate and excessive force against black victims.
Overblown rhetoric should be distinguished from actually initiating and supporting the retaliatory murders of police officers.
The sad consequence is that unjustified killings by police officers of black victims may cost the lives of other police officers as a consequence of retaliatory attacks.
Malachi, what are the specific instances by reference to names, dates and specific circumstances?
Dave, Michael, the tweet I was referencing:
It has been deleted for very obvious reasons, seeing as this woman is the co-founder of BLM and it didn’t really give off the right impression, seeing as they are rejecting the ‘hate group’ label.
Nonetheless it was saved before deletion and was very real. I’ll leave you to your own conclusions about why it’s a disgusting thing to say, especially from the co-founder of an activist group.
“Give me the strength not to” is not the same as “Hey everybody we should” in any language
I didn’t say that tweet was incitement if you read my comments, I was talking about the chants.
However if you think violently racist rhetoric like that from the co-founder of BLM doesn’t influence people you’re being naïve. It’s not just a bad influence, it’s completely unacceptable and it tarnishes any credibility the group had.
You claimed she said she just wanted to kill white people. That’s not what she said at all.
Are you seriously going to get caught up in semantics? Surely you agree that the tweet is utterly indefensible and proves the point about BLM being an irresponsible if not outrightly racist group, seeing as she is still playing a leading role in BLM Toronto.
Normally groups expel members for such racist vitriol. UKIP, for example, do this all the time. They get a racist idiot speaking out and they remove them as fast as possible. However, there wasn’t even so much as a condemnation from the BLM movement regarding this tweet, indeed she was widely supported.
This kind of in-built racism in the movement is extremely evident for anyone who cares to take a look.
You know very well that even if there was a specific person named it wouldn’t be legally deemed a threat, she also doesn’t say all white people, it’s a poor choice if words and nothing more. In no way did she make a sweeping statement about all white people. Also, you said she was a founding member now you’re saying she’s playing a leading role in BLM Toronto. Hardly the epicentre.
3 officers dead 3 injured. 1 Shooters dead, at least 2 other suspects involved.
Blue lives matter
All lives matter.
RIP
There’s not enough guns. They need more to solve the problem!
If the Baton Rouge police had been armed, but the fact is that they were armed.
Ambushes and sniper type attacks can still be effective even if the intended victims are armed, trained and have all the appropriate techniques of containment and defence.
In the US a white person is 27 times more likely to be attacked by a black person than a black person is attacked by a white person.THIS IS REAL RACISM.
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…”In 2013, there were about 660,000 crimes of interracial violence involving blacks and whites. Of those 660,000 crimes, blacks were the perpetrators 85% of the time. What does this mean?
This means that as of 2013, a black person was 27 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa. That is, in fact, what you call racism. And victimizing…..’
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/07/08/stefan_molyneux_lies_about_the_dangers_of_white_racism_do_a_massive_amount_of_damage_to_the_black_community.html
Patrick, 85% is not 27 times bigger than 15% no need for me to even go any further.
I suppose we should be grateful that you gentlemen are choosing to fight with statistics rather than gun even if it’s all a load of old drivel Well done.
It can be spelt either way you thick and the reply button wasn’t working. I’m not going to entertain your petty nit picking anymore as you’re clearly a troll. You have smeared dozens of stupid comments all over this page. Enjoy your trolling.
So, still no actual content with your bluster then
Dave you know you’ve lost the argument when you start nit picking about spelling lol
Amy, it’s the irony of claiming to be more civilised while being unable to spell it, or even press a reply button it seems. One guy with a gun at a peaceful protest is your idea of mass violent protest. You can continue to miss the point all you like but you did claim that white people are more civilised than black people.
Another scratch in the bedpost. Well done Merica.. Almost a whole week this time!
Why do the police have to shoot to kill, would a bullet to each leg , crotch area , shoulder , etc etc not down the Perp ?? Just saying like
Ricky I think most people would rather be shot dead than shot in the crotch!
Would work if the bad guys played from the same rules….!
No, it wouldn’t. Shoot to wound never works for a multitude of reasons:
1 – A shot to the leg, arm or other such area is not guaranteed to be non-fatal. Your arms and legs contain vital arteries which can easily cause you to bleed to death in short order if penetrated by a bullet.
2 – Arms and legs are ridiculously small targets compared to a torso. It takes a serious amount of training and skill to hit such a target. This is before we add in the fact that they’re generally moving at a rapid speed. A torso is bigger, slower and much much easier to hit. Shooting for these smaller targets severely increases your chance of missing which endangers all innocent bystanders.
3 – Bullets can and will overpenetrate limbs. A torso is much denser, meaning bullets and fragments are more likely to remain within the target. Less stray fragments means less chance of injuring bystanders.
Sad to see when the victims are clearly incapacitated and tremoring from being shot but still the police continue to pump in the bullets, ensuring death.
Dead men usually tell no tales unless video recordings are available and untampered with.
Of course a factor in the execution style killings by police is the heightened emotion and fear level on the part of the police because of the suspicion that in a heavily armed society, with ubiquitous guns, often more powerful than police issued weapons, there is a significant risk that the victim may be armed.
The stakes are raised in a heavily armed society.
Jason I was being sarcastic. Of course shoot to wound doesn’t work.
I was addressing Ricky, not yourself Paul.
In a country where if you dare to breath you could be shot dead by a gun happy copper and a country where you can buy a gun in a supermarket, who would of expected this !
All life’s matter
CDM cops dont matter,only the black ones
All lives matter, including black lives.
They need more guns.
have your say