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THE CURRENCY DIP suffered by Sterling after the Brexit vote is putting Irish jobs at risk, employers’ group Ibec says.
The group today demanded a decisive and immediate national response to the crash, which it says has left many key export businesses reeling.
Sterling has slumped since the 23 June vote, though it has held a consistent level over the last week.
An Ibec survey found that the negative exchange implications of the UK vote is by far the biggest concern of business. Almost half (45%) saw this as the main threat. Exporters are operating with a major competitive handicap in the UK market, while domestic firms are facing the prospect of cheaper UK imports grabbing market share. Further survey details below.
In a stark assessment, Ibec Director of Policy Fergal O’Brien said “The Brexit strain is manifest and intense. Without urgent action to address competitive pressures, hundreds of millions of euro worth of exports and thousands of Irish jobs will be lost.
Individual businesses have been slow to talk publicly, but the feedback from members is clear and unambiguous. Businesses and jobs are already under threat.
“This is now a full blown currency crisis.”
Separate economic analysis from Ibec also found that the impact on UK focused export sectors, such as agri-food, will be particularly severe. The analysis of the historical exchange rate and agri-food export relationship shows that a 1% weakness in sterling results in a 0.7% drop in Irish exports to the UK.
If sterling was to weaken further towards the £0.90 mark, this would translate to losses of over €700 million in food exports and about 7,500 Irish jobs in that sector alone.
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Its a bad state of affairs when protests that are happening around the country everyday get waved off as some form of left wing lunacy. These are still residents who don’t want meters.
Straight off: I HATE THIS COMPANY. It represents all that is wrong with our countries business and political practices, both old and new. I would much rather fight against it than support it.
With that said, protests in public offices or installing isn’t going to stop them at this rate, but rather mass non payment. We had our last hurrah in March 21st and anything after is all in a mix of what’s left.
At this point the people have decided by either paying or dumping their bills, so anything from here on out seems a bit unnecessary to what needs to be ultimately accomplished.
I just hope the company bombs spectacularly, not that it hasn’t in the peoples eyes already.
It’s terrible to see what this government is causing. Roll on the general election to remove these parasites.
I agree Paul .would love to know all on here you can’t see what a shambles iw is. Can have any confidence in a company who has a man in charge who has a dismal record. Who has ex county managers employed. Yet we are told councils neglected the system. How they have no worries about another quango when we have the HSE which is a disgrace because of mismanagement. How they have no concerns about millions squandered. Only conclusion I have is iw have raised so many red flags is some people just don’t care how something is run or managed as long as they support it because they have too or their party would look like fools.
How do you get a job trolling for IW ? Is the money good?
It really is embarrassing having FG and Labour running the country. Traitors and sell outs.
Colm I got my bill this morning ah no I did not rush to pay it but I did rush to burn it in my fire place. Everyone should do the same because if you pay the next government are going to throw this out. So do not pay.
The bill stated water usage and if I was paying per litre it would have been€183 which is to expensive.
Enda and Joanie will be drowned out of office in the next general election over this expensive company. The cheek of Denis O,Brien looking for more money caused by the protest delaying the work.
Denis O,Brien is by the way a tax exile.
Non payment of a bill has legal consequences.
Mass correspondence from individuals questioning the nature of their contract with IW is required.
Non-action on receipt of a bill will presumably be considered to be acceptance by the courts.
Robin fair play to u. Mine came last week and it went in with the rubbish.
The apes they trained in templemore are working out well arent they. Ireland s treasonous coppers
Well done Joan, Pat and all residents.
Great people!!
Paul,
It’s important to maintain an active and visible campaign to help counteract the mass of mainstream propaganda pushing the government and Irish Water’s agenda. This will help to give confidence to the middle ground of people who oppose the water charge/banker tax but may be intimidated or manipulated into paying the bill.
Water meter protests are a good way to build community solidarity. We’re also involved in street meetings, information stalls, leaflet drops, banner drops, knocking door to door etc. This is vital to build a mass grass roots movement of ordinary people to drive the government back as occurred during the successful water charges campaign in the 1990s.
The battle has been almost won against Irish water. It is a hated entity across all spectrums of society. The people are staying firm and saying no to this charge. The audacity of their procedures; forcing meters on householders; double and triple charging; bonus culture; appalling mismanagement; guillotining debate; using the gardai to protect a private utility has done us all a favour. We are no longer prepared to be bullied and politicians will face a tougher electorate in future. Well done all!!
Commendable, Waddler,
But I’m pretty sure that just binning an invoice won’t cut it when it comes to dealing with a court.
Like the banks “customers” of Irish Water might be well advised to inform them that they have no contract nor do they wish to be customers of IW.
* like the banks require a record of correspondence…
Paul – the minute a person contacts IW they are deemed to be contracted with them. So no – people should not contact them. Either bin, burn or put your bill in a drawer and forget about it.
Colm you’re wrong
Ann,
How can you contract with a company when you write to inform them that you have no contract with them?
My point is that if they have your name and address, pretending that they don’t won’t work.
You have to ask why they are using your name and address.
No Tom I’m not and you know it
@Paul
I can’t wait for the already stretched Judicial system to takes hundreds of thousands of people to court for non-payment.
That’s not going to happen is it?
When the first non-payers go to court, there is going to be some outrage.
Unfortunately many of the (urban( people affected by water taxes do not vote.
There will be an overwhelming vote for Alan Kelly and Michael Lowry in their own homeland where most ofthe people can draw water free from the ground, or in cheap communal schemes.
A huge vote which always votes is the public service unions and the countless quangos (Irish Water.?) associated with government largesse.
Teachers, Gardai etc will all turn out to maintain the repressive status quo which is driving our country almost to civil war, so divided as it is between a vast controlling bureaucracy which is still buying votes (with money still being borrowed) witness Brendan Howlin who is about to return all his comrades to their full, pre-austerity wage packets.
Hence the posturing about new threats of legal sanctions,such as attachment orders and so on to harass the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS who are boycotting Irish Water.
If Moanie Burton and her FG partners cannot extract enough cash from the weakest and lowest paid families in Ireland via regressive water taxation-then, Brendan Howlin’s promise to reinstate the minimal wage cuts inflicted on public servants,semi states workers and quango employees will be very difficult to implement. A lot of taxes will have to go to fixing our water infrastructure:
please read this article very carefully.
http://www.villagemagazine.ie/index.php/2014/12/irelands-chimerical-competitiveness/
By Constantin Gurdgiev (November 2014).
“Of the 196 appointments to state boards made by the current Coalition, only 35 resulted from open public competition. Pay increments for civil servants – for length of service not performance – remain in place. Only .75% of civil servants received less than three out of five in the October performance reviews which ground entitlements to the automatic pay increments. Meanwhile the country is on the march over Irish water and its bonus-for-nothing culture. The Regulator has set it a target of only 8% in cost reductions over the next few years. The percentage is paltry because it is obliged to maintain double the necessary workforce inherited from local authority staffs until 2025 – following a deal with the unions. John FitzGerald of the ESRI has said the extra wages and other costs for the 2000 extra staff amount to around €150m a year, or an extraordinary €90 per household. In recent weeks, the Government promised to deliver comprehensive reforms of the public sector. As before, there are vague targets for transforming the sector underpinning much less vague giveaways to insiders. In exchange for reversing pay cuts imposed in the two previous agreements with the unions, the State is promising some easing in the absurdly ineffective procedures for removing incompetent employees. The former is a tangible, enforceable and easily monitored commitment: either new pay flows or it does not. The latter is completely non-transparent and unenforceable. No-one, beyond senior civil servants, will ever have any real proof as to whether or not the new regime is working. No-one in the public service has any incentive to make sure it does. As pay, promotion and performance awards remain detached from actual productivity, no fine-tuning can ever deliver measurable gains in performance.
https://youtu.be/9sAowRrD4hg
Paul,
We don’t oppose using legal mechanisms where possible to protect ordinary people as you’ve outlined. However we believe that the courts will not ultimately protect the interests of the ordinary citizen. ‘Democracy’ and the legislation function has long been captured by the powerful and wealthy minority. The law is largely written by that elite and is constructed to protect those who benefit most from the status quo and serves the interests of capital over the wellbeing of the majority.
But people can protect themselves through unity and organization and a mass boycott of hundreds of thousands will make the courts simply unworkable as a weapon to be used against the campaign.
Just a reminder what we are dealing with https://youtu.be/27UL3tZW1bk
Ann you’re wrong
Tom everybody is wrong in your eyes. Who’s is next on Toms list.
Paul Cunningham it will be mass protests that give people confidence to stick to the boycott over the coming months. We see intimidation like this heavy handed garda tactics and threats to take from wages coming from the government/media that will chip away at the boycott unless we stay mobilized against this hated tax on ordinary people. Stay united, stay organized, stay on the streets and dont pay
And protest Waddler. Dont forget the protests ☺
“Free from the ground”? My parents have a private well. The cost of replacing the pump periodically and maintaining the well is a lot more than people in urban areas will have to pay if IW happens. The water table shifted in the area recently, and they had to drill another well elsewhere — the total cost ran into the 1000s
We live in a democracy despite Paul Murphy and other political opportunists best efforts. His interview with Pat Kenny a few weeks back showed him to be economically and logically very weak and lacking in a rounded political philosophy.
The decisions have been taken establishing Irish Water. It’s not universally popular but so have many other decisions. We had an election and will have another next year. People will have a choice then and although I don’t like taxes of any kind (laughingly neither do the left leaning politicians) I won’t be voting for candidates who advocate idiotic economics. If the budget doesn’t balance they won’t get my vote. That includes idiotic notions like wealth taxes but not property taxes, higher income taxes above 52% (56% for self employed) and medical cards for the well and well off.
What people want are lower taxes and logically therefore lower costs of government. Who will promise us that?
He who pays the water bill is a muppet and needs to ask this question why start charging for water now when the monies we pay and already paid fixed nothing for the simple fact it was spent on other things.
Definition for off balance sheet is – we can tax you without giving you any allowances for it.
Goodbye Fine Gael and labour in 2016
Teachers? Eh sorry but how are teachers being repressive??
I agree this goverment should be thrown out straight away
“What people want are lower taxes and logically therefore lower costs of government. Who will promise us that?”
Nobody.
Because the public sector unions are the permanent government, and the real power in the land.
Politicians never take them on.
If they did-they would not last long enough to collect their obscene pensions.!
deirdre i have my own well and i have received grants to the value of 1200 euro to replace the submersible pump and ancilleries,so stop using this red herring cos the grants are there for all private well owners
Hmmmm!
John Tiernry for Taoiseach ! -
He’ll sail in – The R.I.C. are fully behind him sure – what could go wrong ?
Liam why would you believe the promises of any politician? Both government parties promised in their manifestos that they would not introduce water charges. They are now imposing charges because of the dictate from Angela and her mates in the EU.
Paul if you ignore the IW bill nothing will happen, its the same as binning junk mail that is unsolicited and without any contract agreed between parties
You cannot be seen to accept a bill without question – the question of registration as part of contract formation is one thing, but if you have received an invoice, you need to inform the issuer why it will not be paid.
Sick to my teeth of these so called protests… I’ve seen the videos and it would make any decent person who wants to protest peacefully embarrassed!!! These people do not represent me, if anything I detest what they represent, Its not democracy, it’s thuggery!!!
This is what happens when large groups of left wing people get together
None of the scangers running these protests now are left wing, they have an agenda against the Gardai
John I’ve seen you on here before publicly denouncing all kinds of protest and supporting Irish Water. So don’t pretend that this is one step too far for you.
Most of the videos I’ve seen have been people standing still over meters or slow walking protest. What exact means do you propose they protest or are you against protesting this issue altogether?
Yes I’ve seen some bad videos with stupid name calling and a lot of squaring off but they water meter installers play a part in that. In knocklyon they packed on the knocklyon road going into knockaire cause we were blocking it thus halting traffic and putting pressure on us to let them in. They refused to move when the guards asked them to and eventually the guards moved them off.
It’s not 1 movement with a leader it’s thousands of estates standing up for themselves. As everything you get the good and the bad.
That’s right FG conformists carry on in that bubble. TTIP will get you real soon.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-reasons-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html
It’s the law, as long as it suits me…
Still waiting on John Gallaghers proposal for what a peaceful protest against meter installation is. Then again your not going to protest are you?
Standing at the roadside saying “down with this sort of thing” would suit him Kevin
This is what happens when fg labour get together . cut funding for child line.http://www.thejournal.ie/childline-suicide-children-2058334-Apr2015/
Then there’s thishttps://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=9vY0VbLqLaqr7AaK74GACQ&url=http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/750000-are-now-living-in-poverty-265582.html&ved=0CCEQFjAB&usg=AFQjCNF2yR_gKmZpwXsLUB0uSpja-ISznA .
Ten there is thishttps://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=LPc0Vd-KIuzU7AbFuICgCA&url=http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/one-in-five-children-are-going-to-school-or-their-bed-hungry-29772602.html&ved=0CB4QFjAA&usg=AFQjCNEWLMUtiHlc5NflqyjX_BNRGvfoIw .
Well done to all the protestors. You are the guardians of democracy, that is government in the interests of the majority as opposed to the current system where the protection and advancement of a wealthy and powerful elite is the primary objective.
The water meters are another mechanism to make the citizens pay for the systemic collapse of speculative financial capitalism in 2008. This is why our Troika ‘partners’ made water charges a condition in their memorandum of understanding with the Irish government. The IMF & ECB could not care less about maintaining and upgrading our water network which is the fairytale justification for the charges peddled endlessly by establishment. We could be all drinking slurry as far as Mario Draghi is concerned. What Mario is interested in though is the €1.2 billion + that the Irish citizens currently pay annually to run the water and sewerage systems.
If the water charges are successfully enforced, then this €1.2 billion annual revenue stream can instead be diverted to meet the repayments on Ireland’s ‘bailout’ loans (plus interest) used to directly cover private and illegitimate banking debt. In this way the EU & IMF gets to have the Eurozone banking system stabilized at the expense of the Irish people and we get to pay for the privilege through Water charges, Home tax, USC, Health & Education cutbacks, Pension levy and the extra 3 years added to our working lives etc etc etc..
The ultimate purpose of Irish Water is to create an attractive entity for future privatization continuing the neo liberal economic agenda which is tearing the social fabric of the country apart. It cost €150 million for consultants to advise Irish Water who will spend an additional €600+ million installing water meters so that they can charge us again for the water supply we already pay for through general taxation. The remarkably remunerated consultants and generous blueshirt benefactor Denis O Brien’s well equipped meter installation crews are paid from the National Pension Reserve Fund and the Property/Home tax which was allegedly destined to fund local services but that promise turned out to be another transparent FG & Labour lie.
The mass mobilizations of ordinary people have driven the government back temporarily on their privatisation agenda but there is no room for complacency. We need to bury Irish water permanently or risk our water infrastructure ultimately being sold to private operators (where Mr. O Brien is likely to feature again) to generate another lump sum to pay for the bank bailout. From that point on, the free market privateers will charge the citizens handsomely for our water and will have that glorious opportunity because of the initial failure of the free market in the banking sector.
It’s an ingenious neo liberal Catch 22 and we are the chumps.
It’s time for the people to stand up now and refuse to allow the ransacking of the country to continue. Boycott the Water charge. Can’t pay. Won’t pay.
https://www.facebook.com/WeWontPayTheWaterCharges
I think Frank has returned.
@Waddler The guardians of democracy are an Garda Siochana who without them standing in the firing line from the thugs above would have brought absolute anarchy… oh wait a minute that’s what ye want.
The AAA and the socialists and their ilk, their policies have failed in every country they have been implemented.. they are peddling easy answers and a magic wand to all peoples problems. The people they are peddling to are easily susceptible to your rhetoric and BS.. but that’s where it ends.
AAA bullsh*t 101 =
1. print as much money as we like with no consequence – why should we ever be austere?
2. Pay for nothing as someone else will pay, create entitlement – “the other guy is stealing from you.. i mean he has a big house why shouldn’t you?”
3. Working class don’t actually work… “you’re entitled to higher benefits as long as you like.. its everyone else’s fault that you’re where you are”. –
4. Anyone in business is an enemy because they have our money – i mean we gave it to them – right guys?
How did we get from peaceful means to protest to a critical look at socialism worldwide?
It’s hard to take a politician seriously when they have a nose ring
Nonsense Gabbi. The Gardai are no protectors of democracy. The primary role of all police forces is to enforce the will of the state on civil society. Therefore they are often used as a tool to oppress and control the working class whose interests are diametrically opposed to those of the government’s who largely serves the interest of capital.
The R.U.C beating the civil rights movements off the streets in the North while their counterparts in the U.S. murdered and batoned black people senseless as they struggled to gain equality. From the brutality of Thatcher’s police deployed against the striking miners in Britain to the French police murdering 600 Algerians in Paris.
At home we have the example of the heroic Dunnes Stores strikers from the 1980s who refused to handle goods from South Africa. They were met with continuous threats and harassment from the Gardai including the special branch and were regularly abused for daring to show solidarity with those “n*****s”.
More recently, the students were beaten off the streets in 2011 for daring to protest. In a moment of supreme irony that day, the Gardai mounted a cavalry charge right in front of Anglo Irish Bank HQ against unarmed students protesting against the mounting cutbacks to their education in order to pay for the greed, stupidity and corruption of that bank. These are just a couple of examples. There are many, many more if you care to look.
Comments like this trying to spin minds!!
“It’s hard to take a politician seriously when they have a nose ring” =Bull :)
Jesus Waddler that’s some missive. Hope you aren’t at work!
And Fine Gael will not get away with pis’in on them.
Enda gets paid too much and is not worth more than an internship salary of €50 a week.
Politicians are over paid and elite classes do not pay much tax. I was thinking poor. Tax exile Denis obrien was short changed on his millions of euro Irish water contract.
Enda said let them eat cake give the rest of irish peasants the crumbs and they can pay for the previlege
lISTEN YOU yfg LITTLE SHIT –
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ROGUES COAGGULATE AROUND A ROPUND A POLITIVCQAL PARTY YOU GET AUSTERITY AND WATER CHARGES AND U.S.C. instead of the country being ran properly …
It must be great to be able to protest on a Monday morning!
Very Understanding bosses ?
Exactly. While the rest of us have to work.
In our job saturated market where every one works 9-5
I’m in work tomorrow as I work flexi part time regardless of the fact I’ve been looking for full time work. I could have protested today and I am no scrounger
It’s great to be able to protest any morning
Well you’re a muppet if u pay for water twice and in paying your supporting the privatization or irish water which will sold to corporation that will just keep on raising the unit price .Your future family generations will be very proud you rolled over like a dog
I’m sure a few pensioners, special needs and people on holidays may be out multiple days. I know in December last I had a week off work and I stopped IW 6 days in a row with citizens of my estate in knocklyon, Dublin 16. Not your typical place for resistance but the middle class has been ravaged just as much as the working class during austerity.
I would happily pay for water, even separately if that’s what people want but not to this super quango money waster where everything is made up as they go along. Planning to fail they are
Nice to see an elected public representative standing alongside the constituents who voted them into the Dail, especially against the lunacy of Irish Water. The government TDs in my constituency have been on the missing list since the election, they didn’t even knock on doors canvassing for their parties at the local elections last year.
She got what she deserved
And what about the working constituents who install meters? What about roving ‘protestors’ who aren’t from the areas? What about people who want meters installed?
Your some funny guy to have a conversation with yourself. We all know your other account is jammin and baz
Brendan the were jammin profile is the only one I use. I am not yfg.
I note most of them are from the north and I’ve yet to meet anyone in my local who works for irish water. I also note a convicted murderer is working on the street nears kids in rathfarnham right now installing meters. Community my hole
If it is a convicted murderer, where better to put him than working out in the open, in public, where everybody – protestors, politics and the media – can keep an eye on him?
*police
Keeping an eye on him? Only reason the public are out is because they don’t want IW in their estate. Guards only come when IW or residents rings them and the media only turn up when a TD gets arrested. So what about when it’s 5am and he’s outside your front garden ?
is that you patjoe? new name ?
YFG
You
Foolish
Goon
Get a life!
I will not be paying one red cent to Irish Waster :) YFG- I like my shades ,too ~oggie~
They’re pretty amazing
No you’ll be paying 24,000 of them to be exact.
Boganity -I love your name :) Can you provide me with some ‘real’ evidence that ‘I’ will be paying ’24,000′ red cents ? Take your time as Oggie (great name,too) is going out for a walk :)
Yes…It’ll be in your letter box next week, and as a caveat on the title of your property next month.
Good on you comrade Oggie.
What a beautiful day,Bogie & you know who :) I have just returned from my beautiful stroll in the area that I reside :) Mr Bogie – I am laughing out loud at you and your posh word ‘caveat’ ..What kind of ‘Bogan’ are you ? I will not be paying 1 red cent nor will I be paying 2,400 of them :) I have been laughing out loud at you – Oggie has his own well and septic tank :) Should have inserted that nugget of information to you -oops :)
Gabbi – You’re a funny guy :)
Irish Water have two hopes … Bob Hope and no hope …
And this is our main problem https://youtu.be/aG7JmlQXBt0
And throw away the key.
At least you’re not overreacting. I’m pretty sure disturbing public works is worth a life sentence…..
If SF are elected into power, every household will be given free keys to throw away.
The IW bouncers were on duty again. Amazing how Shell and IW can have rent a mob while rural Ireland is up to its hole in crime.
If SF are elected into power, we will make sure that the crime in rural island is put to an end.
*by one way or another
@typicalsfsupporter – don’t you mean ‘when’ ?
If SF are elected into power, the words “if” and “when” will become interchangeable.
Typical SF supporter Can we expect a referendum to re-instate our lost claim on the six counties of Ulster currently in the hands of the British and their agents of government? oh will you finally enter Westminster after the next GE in Britian?
Poor Gabbi made a blooper :)
The same troll having a conversation with themselves, again. It use to be funny now it is just getting boring.
ha ha ha ha ha Gabbi, you’re some tool. Tripped yourself up.
Ah that’s priceless. Lol.
Oh no he didn’t? Oh, yes he did, the f*cking tool!
Gabbi, what NI person in their right mind would want to be part of the bankrupted south? You are deluded if you think thst is going to happen.
Whatever about yours views on Irish Water, the consistent antagonising by TDs is nothing short of disgraceful. They should better than to encourage the intimidation of ordinary workers and the blatant disregard for the law and the Gardai. Protest outside the Dáil.
The residents informed the foreman that they did not want meters fitted, the IW workers ignored their wishes, barged past, and tried to install the meters regardless surrounded by 18 gardai and several garda vans.
Wheres the real ‘intimidation’ here?
The real intimidation comes from those who are breaking the law.
It’s public property. Public utility installing meters on public property.
The residents have no right to stop people going about their lawful business on public property. End of story.
There is a moral obligation to disobey unjust laws, as a better person than you or I once famously said.
Incorrect, the stopcock falls within the curtilage of your home. A private company should not be allowed to modify it without your permission.
I didn’t know that was the procedure. In that case I’ll ring up Revenue today and “inform” them that I don’t want a property tax bill this year, and that I won’t be paying any USC this year either.
Thanks for the tip Jammy.
Were Jammin, unless the IW water workers are working on private property they don’t need. I sent for public footpaths!
So this trying to interfere with the lawful work and instillation on public property are the issue
Typical sf attitude. Obey the law as long as it suits. Glad they’ll never get into power.
The boundary of your property is 99% of the time your front wall. The stopcock is usually located on the public footpath
What’s unjust about paying for the water you use, like most other developed countries?do you want the rest of us taxpayers to pay it for you?
if you wanted to even march up to the dail its out of bounds.
Werejammin is a SF parasite… violence against the Gardai is ok in the name of ‘peaceful protest’ is ok by them.
She is representing the people that elected her. If only they all did we wouldn’t be in this situation
Tax and charge. Big difference.
Tweety, it’s unjust for the fact that we already pay multiple times through taxation.
It’s unjust that the amount of money collected will not go towards improving our infrastructure, but will only cover the costs of wages and the amount it costs to collect said charge.
It’s unjust that the resource we need to live is now being treated like Oil, and used to benefit an elite.
Why do you have trust that iw will deliver a good service.
It has a man in charge with a dismal record. It has ex county managers who according to government councils neglected the system. Its a quango. Another HSE in the making. We all know how bad that is with its mismanagement. So why so much confidence in iw.
Is that you conor
Fare play to you Silent majority
Pat Joe you here to troll the parties u are scared off
Tweety, my stopcock is located 20ft from the public footpath on my property, on my drive, 10ft from my house.
I like to park my car over it.
Tweety.
You do realise that first of all we have been paying for our water out of taxation for years.
Secondly, this is just laying down the foundations to privatise the service, at which point you won’t be ‘paying for your water use’ you’ll be paying to fund profit margins of these companies, with little money actually going into our water infrastructure.
Your comments also seem to indicate that people that are working have no problem with paying this charge. The vast majority of people I am friends with are working in some capicity or another, and not a single one of them agrees with the water charges.
Irish water have two hopes of success – Bob Hope and No Hope. Don’t pay a cent to these crooks and their political lackies. All unjust laws should be broken – en masse – it is in fact a civic duty to do so. To the doubters – get off your knees and join the fightback.
Yfg, Breaking laws that are designed to protect the wrong doing by this government.
Silent maj. Jammin did say unjust laws, we all accept general taxation to be just. Although the ones you have mentioned are unfair, however we have reluctantly accepted them but we said that those were enough and this is why there is such huge resistance to IW, we have had enough!! Not paying!
Don’t worry your little tweety head,I it’s already paid for, but we’ll make sure you won’t have to pay again. No need for thanks.
Again all the pro water people on here banging on about people that are willing to stand up for them while the rest of you sit behind your computers throwing insults, I ask all of you will your ring Irish water and tell them you want to pay the original €460 bill that you were going to get or are you all going to pay the €160 that THESE PROSTETORS have tirelessly fought and campaigned for you? We all know the answer to that so sit down you absolute hypocrites and government walk overs, your the lazy ones!
it was always between 240-260 and not over 400!
Wouldn’t be unusual for protestors to inflate numbers would it!
I paid about 500 euro for water last year, the year before that and guess what the year before that as well. Go on how much will I be paying this year and the next?
This is were we are heading https://youtu.be/psFpg7FDS4I
Id day your delighted to be doing your bit for the govt and national debt.well done you. You can pay the same next year as well with a smile on your face.
I am a – I own a house and a farm – the deal was very simple and it is the only deal I enetered into was that my house would be free and my farm would pay …
since john Tierney and his history of Eyre Square and Poolbeg was appointed head of irish water neither my farm nor house will pay into a scheme that enriches him further while it impoverishes me and my children because I don’t trust his motivated given his history -= END OFF !
Too European – Not Irish Enough !
that would be “motivation” instead of “motivated” to those who are new here …
“…….And the energy slipped through the stones an the water as the Draoicht once again awoke to the needs of the UnIverse !”
The gardai still working for D O B absolutely disgraceful.
Idiotic comment
It’s probably a fair one actually. He is the person that has the contracts for the meters. The more meters go in, the more money. And if Gardai are removing people for these to be installed then they are, maybe indirectly, working for the good of DOB. No idiots here
He has one contract of 4.
Its a bad state of affairs when protests that are happening around the country everyday get waved off as some form of left wing lunacy. These are still residents who don’t want meters.
Straight off: I HATE THIS COMPANY. It represents all that is wrong with our countries business and political practices, both old and new. I would much rather fight against it than support it.
With that said, protests in public offices or installing isn’t going to stop them at this rate, but rather mass non payment. We had our last hurrah in March 21st and anything after is all in a mix of what’s left.
At this point the people have decided by either paying or dumping their bills, so anything from here on out seems a bit unnecessary to what needs to be ultimately accomplished.
I just hope the company bombs spectacularly, not that it hasn’t in the peoples eyes already.
Paul I don’t have time to read your comment but it sounds wrong so I’ve red thumbed it.
He has the biggest contract so Don’t make it out like he has a quarter
She was PUSHED! Oh The Humanity!!!
Political cynicism at its absolute worst. Want to impress me? Campaign against USC and the Pension Levy. Costs me many multiples of what water charges will and I get NOTHING back in return.
Hear hear!
Hey Alan,
You’ll actually get nothing back in return for paying Water Charges either. The amount collected will only cover the costs of charging us for the water.
If somebody was installing USC boxes outside my home believe me I’d be there stopping them.
USC is going to be phased out anyway government have already seen the polls regarding this. It will be on of their election treats. Irish water on the other hand they wish to keep and that’s why the protests are needed. To try stop another billion wasted down the drain
Alan & See My Vest…. for you and everyone else comparing this to the USC and pension levy scams, try to remember there’s one very big difference… the reason they’re still trying to force the joke that is IW on you is so that they can privatise the water. Think about that and what it actually means. It’s not just a buzz word. Privatisation means a company will be given actual ownership of the water in this country. Let’s just remind ourselves for a minute what water actually is… Water flows through the blood, carrying oxygen and nutrients to cells and flushing wastes out of our bodies. It cushions our joints and soft tissues. Without water as a routine part of our intake, we cannot digest or absorb food.
This is what you would call absolute power. They may as well own the blood in your veins. The price they quote you now is irrelevant. The issue is ownership.
And replaced with what? Money from the magic money tree?
@Fiannaoicht… a good place to start would be TD’s obnoxious salaries, bonuses and multiple pensions
Some 5-20 billion to be raised if we just properly enforced all of our taxes. Ireland is rich stop pretending it’s not
I know I was disappointed too…There’s never a cliff around when you need one.
Sorry… forgot “expenses” – imagine taking the slightly longer route to work every day so you could qualify for a much higher bracket of travel expenses. It’d be nice. Wouldn’t be too ethically sound though.
If we could stamp some of that out, we’d be significantly better off.
Conn, the USC brings in €4bn annually. let’s assume we stopped paying politicians altogether. That’s €168m saved. Any bright ideas for the rest? Although clearly the expenses and pension benefits enjoyed by TDs and ministers in particular are a joke.
Kevin, where are you getting your €5-20bn in tax avoidance from the “rich”?
I have a few ideas, actually, but I don’t really want to lay them open to automatic derision by a nameless and faceless brand new twitter account. I’ve seen too many of them here to be confident that we’ll have any sort of meaningful debate, which is a shame. Log in under your real name and we can chat about it properly
You mean by making speeches such as this? I think you will find that Joan Collins and other anti-austerity TD’s and activists have been quite vocal about the unfairness of the USC and Pension Levy.
Deputy Joan Collins: “When the Government which consisted of Deputies from Fianna Fáil, the Green Party, the Progressive Democrats, the Fianna Fáil gene pool and Deputy Lowry introduced this tax, it should have been honest with people and called it the “universal anti-social charge”. Like many of those present, I canvassed at doorsteps during the recent general election campaign and this was one of the main issues about which the people of Dublin South-Central were boiling mad. The universal social charge must be one of the most hated measures to have been introduced by any Government. The people of my constituency have no problem paying their taxes — they are prepared to do so — but they think everybody else should be doing likewise. It is incredible that the wealthy pay taxes in America, the most capitalist country in the world, whereas the wealthy in this country are protected by Government policies. I have to say that although I support the call for the abolition of this charge, I find nothing progressive in the health and income levies. I would be absolutely opposed to their reintroduction, particularly as far as those on low and moderate incomes are concerned.”
@Conn
Too many people like hiding behind an alias here.
Yep. I’m not engaging with them anymore. The Journal are only too happy to facilitate them because they’re generally on the same team, it would seem.
Well said
Well done to Joan Collins and to all of the the protesters.
You represent a huge majority of the people of this country who are fed up with this rich mans dictator government.
Imagine a government giving children’s allowance to its rich MILLIONAIRE friends while 400,000 wait for hospital appointments and thousands lie in corridors on hospital trolleys ???????
I’ve tried to imagine that Bill – turns out it is much easier than I expected because every government has done that
Interviewed Joan a couple of years ago and you couldn’t meet anyone nicer. Fair play to her.
“Interviewed Joan a couple of years ago and you couldn’t meet anyone nicer. Fair play to her.”
Lovely woman.
The salt of the earth.
We need many more of her kind in government post 1916.
If the old regime cobble together another repressive,corrupt administration, our Easter Rising dead will be shifting in their graves.!
Government shills…..ASSEMBLE!!!
Tough work but someone has to do it
Is it job bridge or are they being paid?
Jobbridge and no you won’t be taken on at the end you can do another you lazy welfare scrounger!
I’m constantly told on here that I’m a government shill so here I am, I guess.
Well done Joan standing up for the people who voted for you .All spineless Failgael/ liebour cowards will out now.
I thought that it was a sit down protest.
If the guards are going to put people in handcuffs and take them away then surely these people should be charged with something. If they’re releasing them then there is no charge and it’s a false arrest.
Plenty of people get cuffed and not charged. It’s a means to frighten somebody by making them think they’re in serious trouble before releasing them. For something minor you don’t need to go so far as to charge people. Imagine how badly clogged an already overloaded system would be!
You are a moron. Released without charge just means that they’re not being charged and brought to court on the day. They’ll be summonsed to court if the DPP directs it after the Gardai submit a file recommending a prosecution. Idiot.
And you are a perfect example of everything wrong with online forums and threads, super aggressive and outspoken online but would never dream of speaking that way in real life. I wait with bated breath for the article informing us of the charges to be made against today’s protestors.
What are you on about? I was explaining to the original idiot who was giving his opinion from an uneducated, moronic standpoint telling us all that the protesters were “falsely arrested” because they weren’t charged today. I might be unwelcome to the likes of you who want to just have a rant based on their own anti establishment biases, but nothing I said was not fact based and accurate. If you were upset by the language used (moron or idiot?) you should hear what the “peaceful protesters” shout at the Gardai and Irish Water staff. I’m opposed to Irish Water and the corrupt way it was set up and will be run, but those clowns getting themselves arrested are what drives working people away from what could be an effective campaign if they didn’t get carried away with their self righteousness after they collect their social welfare payments. It’s a pity more reasonable people wouldn’t dilute the rubbish that’s spouted on these forums.
ijlester, you have a complete misunderstanding of criminal law procedure. It’s an innocent misunderstanding and I shall refrain from criticising you for it but it would be wise to refrain from such severe criticism of others when you are unfamiliar with the process.
There are many online resources you can research in order to understand the correct process in relation to minor public order offences at summary level.
By way of well intentioned advice only, there is an inverse proportion between misunderstanding and throwing out invective about people being idiots and morons. I disagree with many people posting comments but instances of idiots or idiots and morons are rare, even exceptional.
Groannnn…send the bills out already ffs !
This is the type of person leading the anti water charges campaign. No wonder support for it is dropping. Pathetic.
These people are acting like bullies. Sickening.
Love the government shills claiming that support is dropping. I haven’t spoken to a single person who is now planning on paying their bill who previously had no intention of doing so.
Jammin the last protest had less than 20,000. People don’t care anymore.
Shills! Disagree with a monkey abd you’re a shill, blueshirt or working for the government.
@ YFG troll account : The last protest was not organised by Right2Water. It was common knowledge that it would not be as big as the main R2W protests.
If I was a hardcore anti-water protester, I also wouldn’t know anyone paying their bills.
Everyone will pay in the end, just as they did with property tax, and the household charge before that, and the NPPR before that again.
Terrible excuse. If people cared about the issue they would have shown up regardless of who organised it.
@ boganity. The government had to use revenue to collect the household charge and property tax, they can’t collect for a private company like Irish water as the water charge is not a tax.
If you lie down with dogs you get fleas
Well i wont be paying rather go to jail four square meals a day and all the water for free
The Fine Gael “Stepford” clowns brigade are out in force this morning….
Solidarity with Joan Collins in “our” fight against Blueshirt tyranny!!!!!!!
Youngfailgeal come out were ever you are
Or are you a coward like the rest of failgeal/liebour slime that are afraid of the man on street like your dear leader that stays behind fences when giving scripted speeches
Were Jammin…we’ll see
The reason there was only a small number at the last protest was because R2W were not involved. Sure some people had to make up mock bills because IW are so shite at what they are doing, they can only get a few thousand bills out everyday, and how many of them are for dead people?
Haha talk about a sinking ship, the only ones left on board are the rats.
Gearoid, Irish water said they would send out bills over an 8 weeks period. No one expected all bills to be sent out on 1 day.
@jammin
If anybody asks me if I am paying I lie because I don’t want an argument about why they think I shouldn’t pay.
Given how vocal you are here I would expect people to lie to you. If somebody said they are paying are you going to accept that or tell them why they are wrong?
Spot on Kal. It is the same with the marriage equality referendum. People just couldn’t be bothered getting into an argument.
I assume the red thumbs are because people feel I should make myself known in public so they can argue with me about paying when they see me‽
Maybe they don’t get not everybody agrees with them. Probably not even aware that people think it is good idea to preserve water either.
The lads on here just to blacken the protester’s, any jobs in Irish water Paul?
Oppressing comments, any jobs in Irish water joe pat??
Yes you’re right, I totally agree with YFG. They are bullies, between the government forcing through legislation and pushing water bills through our door as the Garda look like hired tugs. You’re quiet right, FG/Lab and IW are bullies :)
Dont lie down with enda then.
Yfg, I didn’t attend last weekend’s protest, as I didn’t need to, the real protest is by mass non payment. Like most decent folk who have paid enough, through USC, household charge, property tax and various other tax increases I simply will not be paying for more unjust austerity levies!
I don’t know anyone who is going to pay Paul. You and your FG buddies got this so wrong.
yes, I’m been sarcastic, FG and Lab seem both to be in the pocket of D O’Brien.
Shame that our politicians are now on sale to the highest bribes.
No harm for them to be arrested. Thuggish behaviour from this crowd has been put up with for too long. Bout time a bit of law and order was restored
Thuggish? Do you just repeat what other trolls say or did you actually watch the video? What has Joan done before that was thuggish?
The trolls need to get a grip.
Multiple accounts, Gearóid… It was probably the same troll saying it in other comments. They’re not nearly as well supported as these comments sections would have you think… the majority of the stupid comments like this all come from one or two people. So, don’t worry, they’re still losing
Oh I know, Conn, I have been here for quite some time. We get 4 or 5 trolls that stay for a few weeks/months and plaster every article with rubbish and then as if by magic, they all disappear and another 4 or 5 turn up overnight.
I really worry about the sanity of these people. I really, really hope they are at least getting paid to do it, otherwise they need to get a life.
The Gardai women tossing team are on their masters political agenda once more. The countryside is being laid waste by thieves but the Gardai know their priorities.
Some poetry by Stephen Murphy.
This one is called ‘Dear Enda’….. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpRx269EsCc
This is my favourite of his: Was It For This? – Stephen Murphy: http://youtu.be/RTsBSTnuf84
I have a splendid idea for Irish Water – Why not concentrate on the people that want to pay instead of wasting tax payers money sending out bills to people that don’t want to pay. There are people that are pleading with Irish Water to send them the bills as they are anxious to pay. Make water charges permanent to people who say yes and scrap it for those who say no. That’s the problem solved.
That’s it Jon perfect solution. After all they don’t mind paying. They don’t mind it’s a quango. They don’t mind that millions were wasted. They don’t mind millions were paid on consultant’s, gyms, yoga classes. They don’t mind iw has a man in charge who has not been very good at other jobs his done. They don’t mind ex council managers are employed in iw. They don’t mind iw pays bonuses. They don’t mind that iw is a disaster so I say if you want to pay for all this. Fair play.
Throwing assumptions out there again…..
It will be double that soon enough! Get off your high horse it doesn’t suit you!
Fair play Joan, while you were standing with the people fighting this unjust double tax the other TD from the area (FG) was looking forward to being on TV3 in some stupid ‘fake’ reality TV programme.
Embarrassing behaviour by the protestors.
ye right tap, how much irish water paying ye
Message to Sean Mac Diarmada . Sorry Sean but you haven’t a clue about the voting situation in Tipperary. You stated that Alan Kelly will romp home . What planet are you living on?When Kelly got elected on lying promises in 2011 he was elected in the 3 seat constituency of North Tipperary .South Tipperary also elected 3 T.D.s . Now the whole county is 1 constituency and with a large portion of North Tipperary now consigned to the Offaly constituency. Labour has always had a battle to hold a seat in North Tipp.Winning and loosing every second election and failing to get a candidate elected in the 3 elections prior to Liar Kelly coming on the scene backed by the faithful Labour members to whom he made the promises of no household tax and no water charges which formed a big part of The Labour Party pre election manifesto. In the local elections held since ywith the whole county as one Labour lost every one of the sitting Co.Council Members. Electing only 1 who was a newcomer
To continue as breakdown occurred. I have voted Labour in every election since 1960 but never never again will I or my family support any Labour candidate .Labour – 5 = 10 to catch up and we are only one household. Come to Nenagh if you want to see what people think of The Traitor Kelly who cost some very good party members their Council seats because of his support for Fine Gael AND THE TREACHERY HE COMMITTED.
Thanks for the background profile on Kelly Ger, maybe I am wrong after all.
if he is that big a Judas i guess he will move on to happier things than politics, with his 30 pieces of silver and his obscene pension after the next election.
Might he emerge as a successful turncoat (being everything else) and get a new mandate from Fine Gael to run for them.?
Sean ,Thanks for the response . Did you know that Kelly’s brother is an advisor to Hilary Clinton and was an adviser to Bill Clinton during the Nr. Ireland peace talks. His Cash helped Alan Kelly to get elected as a member of the European Parliment from which he resigned to stand for the last Dail election in 2011. He was replaced in Europe on the nominated sub rule by M/S Phil Prendergast who was in turn heavily defeated in the last European election and hasn’t been heard of since . And bye the way she was his sub in spite of the fact that she was a defeated Dail candidate in the 2011 election due to lack of support for Labour in South Tipperary.
Loved her in dynasty
Her finest moment was as “The Siren” in the Adam West 60′s Batman.
Robin: Your goose, so to speak, is cooked!
The Siren: Not by a long shot, short stuff. I now own this building.
Robin: Is that true, Mr. Wayne?
Bruce Wayne: [under the Siren's stunning spell] She now owns this building.
Oscar winning stuff.
It must be hard on the Garda
with people standing on the footpath
they cannot check the tax and insurance
or check if the old NCT is up to date
maybe they could bring in penalty points for standing
or better still
arm the Garda
Then like Merica they can just shoot people and get it over with
“She said that their behaviour was dangerous on what it is a busy south inner city roadway.”
The protesters are in the middle of the road FFS!!! If anybodies behaviour is dangerous it’s some clown that goes out into the middle of the road and sits down “on a busy south inner city roadway”. What happens if they get hit by a car? Oh, it’s OK there is always another muppet there with the usual “call an ambulance” although is that before or after they call their solicitor?
Easily known there is an election coming up so she and her buddy can stick her arrest onto her election leaflets as a badge of honour.
No face Ronan well that doesn’t surprise me!
Iw is just the latest scam from Failgeal/ liebour to make billions for there corporate masters .if it was truly about conservation the government would be giving grants for water harvesting systems on people’s property .I would have no problem paying a little extra in tax if it truly was going to fix the leaks .
Hunger strike next, then launch the re-election campaign!
If SF are elected into power, every household will be given 1 free hunger strike.
Instead of abusing the Gardai sent out to police these “protests” the likes of Joan Daly should be using the mandate they got from their supporters by promoting their case in the Dail. Gardai at Garda rank don’t decide themselves to just go and arrest those protesters, but when they interfere with lawful work being carried out by tax paying workers then they’re subject to arrest and the rigours of the law. You suggest that the mob can be allowed to obstruct anything they so please because they’re “peaceful” protesters. What next? Stop the ESB fixing wires because they charge too much? Stop Post men because stamps are gone awful dear? People work for the government all over the country – are they Denis O Brien flunkies too? Nurses, doctors?
Electioneering.
I have counted at least 40 posts from 6 different trolls, how much noise do you guys need to make? Nobody wants to hear it, you are in the minority. *(All trolls create new accounts to make it look like they have support) :)
It seems strange that the media do not confront and look for statements from serving positions when arrests like these happen or is the media controlled
I’m waiting for Mothers and Fathers Matter to complain that there was lack of balance in the arresting.
Read this while you’re waiting -
http://www.brucearnold.ie/files/unforseen-unintended-consequences.html and this
She was in her bo**ix just standing on a footpath. If thats all she was doing she wouldnt have been arrested
Actually….they were just on the footpath……. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=30&v=CB3oUUrlQrY
Joan must felt the pressure to get her profile up and getting arrested will help, her coverage had diminished with Paul Murphy and Ruth coppinger on the scene
Protestors aspire to live within somebody else’s means.
Anyone who isn’t a member of the party of protest should have to pay a special “I was never a member” tax.
Must be an election on the way.
Was this the same joan collins who was arrested for standing on a wheelie bin during an anti bin charge demo all those years ago
Noisy minority holding the working public to ransom again.Shame on them.
I hope the gardai continue to deal with these law breakers as the law dictates.
Just like the noisy minority of trolls on here.
Your response makes as much sense as Leftanomics.
If she is convicted shouldn’t she be sacked, like any other public servant who breaks the law would , TD’s can do what they like with impunity and we still pay them their huge salaries it seems.
Like the woman who spent thousands on phone calls to Kenya and all the politicians that were caught fiddling expenses?
She pays the money back for those phone calls as far as I’m aware!
Only because she was caught Pedro…….remember she first tried to claim they were legitimate calls in relation to her work…..that didn’t turn out to be true now…did it?
Irish Water should give Ryanair a quick call and see when all these protestors see off on holidays and then arrive at the door!
Cant see many rushing home….
Why are the Gardai still acting as Dennis O’Briens’ private security firm and taxi service ?
I nether agree with this protest nor disagree, but somewhere inbetween.
Jesus that fence post must be half way up your hole
I nether agree that the fence post is half way up me hole nor disagree, but somewhere inbetween.
So you are a fence post half up your ass, I’m a fence post half out of my ass kinda of guy
I nether agree with that statment nor disagree, but somewhere inbetween.
I think I can see a pattern here, would I be right?
I nether agree that there is a pattern here nor disagree, but somewhere inbetween.
I think some use here as a dating site Johnr…
Sure ya were love, sure ya were….
How can that be a public order offence or are the Garda just arresting anyone that looks if they are protesting or standing too long in one spot?
Charged for standing on the public ground. LolL
It’s becoming more clear that these ragbag of left wing politicians are nothing short of criminals and should not be in Dáil Éireann. I hope people remember this when they go to the polls
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