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FLATSHARES ARE MORE than just a fact of life for many of us in the Irish rental market.
They’re also a rite of passage – and you can often tell what stage in their life a person is at from what kind of house-share situation they’ve chosen for themselves.
More than likely, what you want and need in a home at 18 is not what will work for you at 30.
One way you can avoid a lot of headaches when it comes to signing a lease is figuring out what kind of person you want to live with. So we’ve put together this highly scientific (ahem) and fun quiz to help you work that out.
(Let us know in the comments how close we got – and also throw in your best flat-share stories and memories to boot. We’re know you’re good for them…)
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I’m pretty sure there must be some system in place for a US court to request an Irish to supply a warrant to hand over this type of information. And I can’t imagine there would be much reason for the Irish court to refuse in a case involving drugs. So it just seems like the US court is setting this terrible precedent because they couldn’t be bothered going through the proper channels.
Or am I missing something?
The article mentions a process called the Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty which facilitates these kinds of requests but apparently US prosecutors never contacted the Irish authorities….
I get a very clear picture that this is a channel they have been trying to open for a while because it’s not as constrictive in terms of it’s scope as the Treaty on what they could look for in the future once precedent is set.
Very troubling stuff really.
US law is not enforceable in the EU. We have something called Data Protection. Maybe Microsoft should use the IRS approach and say the Data servers crashed and wasn’t backed up so we lost it. If it works FOR the government, it should work FOR Microsoft. Or perhaps the US government could just ask NSA for the data? sure they record everything and anything they can intercept. if Microsoft do hand hand over the data then they will be breaking Irish Data Protection laws
John you are correct. Ireland does not cooperate with the 5 eyes network except in specific investigations where real probable cause is demonstrated to us.
The US has basically eliminated all of it’s protections esp the 4th ammendment and now they expect us to eliminate ours to make it easier for them to hovver up data, well we won’t be allowing it.
Any government in Ireland that was caught doing the kind of mass surveillance common in the US now would be out of office with angry mobs in the streets very quickly and they know that.
We may be a laundrette for their companies for taxes but were not going to be one for their police state, they can follow the process of get nothing.
You’re mistaken, you should look up the ECHELON agreement which the Irish government signed up to back in the last century.
Angry mobs in the streets? I doubt it! Irish people never got out in the streets to protest bank bailout, cuts to disability services, cuts to health services etc! Angry mobs are needed but not in irish psyche it seems!
You really really believe that? I don’t! The meek Irish who will just roll over and die for every politco that drives a unpalletable and hard barghain at them? They’ve NEVER stood up for themselves.. and never will.
NOT EVERYBODY IS A CRIMINAL.WE NEED OUR PRIVACY SO RESPECT IT.
Have you not heard. In the US you are guilty until proven innocent and even then you can still be jailed.
The USA will use their war on Drugs and terrorism to justify their big brother and bully-boy tactics. We have a department of Data protection and as far as I know, the ball is in their court.
This is nonsense. The data is in Ireland, then only the irish courts can release. The us needs to be told this in no uncertain terms. Their boarders are the end of their legal rights just like ours.
So are the emails to do with some international high profile drug dealer or some corner hustler?
Am, No.
We have a minister for data protection ?. Seriously …..
We have one for almost everything else.
Tor
Funny one this. As multinationals, the corporations can store data in privacy friendly jurisdictions to avoid scrutiny by more investigative jurisdictions. This case may be between two western nations over emails, but what if child porn could be disseminated out of Guatemala due to a friendly local administration and so was above reproach? Like different tax codes in different jurisdictions, corporations will pick & choose countries that best serve their bottom line, not necessarily what best serves their customers.
Microsoft are incorporated in the USA and would be required to comply with court orders there. Similarly the directors could held liable for non-compliance.
Yes, and by virtue of the fact that the data is physically stored on servers in Ireland means that it is subject to Irish Data Protection laws. If they hand over the data they are in breach of our laws.
Not just our laws, but European laws.
i think data belonging to any European citizen cannot leave europe
It can leave the EU under the safe harbour agreement between EU and USA
No worries. Ireland is the 51st state anyway in all but name so US court jurisdiction over it is a given. Of more interest is the sham of court intrusion because every email is automatically scanned by US and UK intelligence services. EVERY EMAIL. On the Internet absolutely nothing is sacred. In a digital world, there are no rights. We’re simply witnessing the death throes of the old analogue world order.
Surprised the Irish government weren’t joined as notice parties to the case in the US. That would have allowed them to put their case to the judge.
this is bullishit, data belong to the people, and storage location does not matter. Also, asking for data with warrant is not what worries us when we think of Microsoft, Google, Facebook.
this is bullishit, data belong to the people, and storage location does not matter. Also, asking for data with warrant is not what worries us when we think of Microsoft, Google, Facebook….
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