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O'Devaney Gardens Mark Stedman/RollingNews.ie

A motion requiring all new units in O'Devaney Gardens to be public housing has been overturned

In the new deal, only 30% of the 1,353 units will be social housing.

AN AGREEMENT HAS been reached on the development of O’Devaney Gardens and two other run-down sites in Dublin to increase the amount of social and private housing in the areas as they are redeveloped.

The public-private partnership will see a private developer building in tandem with the council in O’Devaney Gardens, Oscar Traynor Road and St Michael’s Estate. Altogether, 1,353 units will be built, 448 of which will be social housing units.

Originally, 100% of the land was going to be built by private developers. However, yesterday Minister for Housing Simon Coveney agreed that the government will fund 30% of the building, which will all be social housing units. There will also be 20% affordable and cost rental units, and 50% will be private units.

Call for 100% public housing

In July, Dublin City Council passed a motion from the Workers’ Party to make O’Devaney Gardens 100% mixed-income public housing.

Council chief executive Owen Keegan warned that if this motion remained then the development wouldn’t go ahead as 100% public housing was in breach of planning permission and the national housing policy.

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The motion was overruled by an agreement between Dublin councillors who sit on the corporate policy sub-group and the minister yesterday.

Sinn Féin Councillor Janice Boylan had previously welcomed the development at O’Devaney Gardens, saying that “any proposals that the land is going to be built on are very welcome.”

The Workers’ Party criticised Sinn Féin for accepting the new government agreement. Councillor Éilis Ryan, who proposed the original motion to make the development all public housing, said:

It should come as no surprise to Sinn Féin that proposals for proper public housing would be opposed by a Fine Gael minister. But if the largest party on the city council isn’t willing to stand up to a right wing minister and demand local democracy is upheld, I’m unclear of what their purpose on the council is.

She also criticised the government for not allowing members of smaller parties into the closed doors meeting. The meeting included representatives from Sinn Féin, Labour, Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil.

Ryan said their party had received legal advice that the 100% requirement was not in breach of any laws.

Councillor Michael O’Brien from the Anti Austerity Alliance said the government’s claims that having a completely social estate would create ‘ghettoisation’ were a “grotesque insult to housing applicants.”

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O’Devaney Gardens, near the Phoenix Park, was built in the 1950s to house over 270 families that were moved out of the Dublin tenements. However, the blocks of flats were almost entirely deserted before they were demolished.

The flats became associated with drugs problems and antisocial behaviour. In recent years the blocks were used as a set for the crime series Love/Hate.

There were previous plans to regenerate the flats in 2008, but after the property market collapsed the plans were shelved.

Read: PHOTOS: O’Devaney Gardens before its last flats are demolished

Read: Final blocks of O’Devaney Gardens flats set to be torn down

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    Mute Alan Wiley
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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:11 AM

    The government are right here. 100% social housing would create ghettoisation. Of course it would.

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    Mute Fred Johnson
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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:56 AM

    Ghettoisation is created by the people involved. Sure don’t the AAA and SF claim those in social housing are angels? (as long as they’re not in tall buildings like in Ballymun, apparently)

    Total segregation is the way to go. 100% social in one spot, 100% private in another spot. I pity the private buyers in such estates. Who would be stupid enough to buy in an estate with large proportion of social? The private apartments may not sell, and will probably end up being given over to social anyway.

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    Mute Brian O'Loughlin
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    Sep 7th 2016, 12:05 PM

    Also, who’s to say that the private buyers will not be just investors who will simply rent the houses back to social welfare tennants….making the entire estate 100% social and after 10,20,30 years…we’ll be back to square one again

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    Sep 7th 2016, 1:01 PM

    Great point Brian! Never even thought of that.

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    Mute Shawn O'Ceallaghan
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    Sep 7th 2016, 1:18 PM

    People seem to forget what was ballymun.

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    Mute Peter McGlynn
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    Sep 7th 2016, 6:15 PM

    Yes Fred. If only we had concentration camps.

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    Mute Gavin Mendel-Gleason
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    Sep 8th 2016, 12:24 AM

    It’s drawing from the same income distribution as the general population. It would not be a ghetto.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:10 AM

    Common sense prevails. 100% social housing is what creates the Ballymuns of this world. At 30% I still wouldn’t want to live there though.

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    Mute Gavin Mendel-Gleason
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    Sep 8th 2016, 12:23 AM

    It would be a mixed income development. Vast swaths of Vienna are 100% social housing and they are not ghettos. That’s because they are mixed income

    Go look at how much it would cost you to rent: http://workersparty.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Solidarity_Housing_ExecSummary.pdf

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    Mute James Delaney
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    Sep 8th 2016, 12:53 AM

    Zero Tolerance is the only way to go – 1 Chance – Any problem from you or ur kids – Out U Go – Out on the Street & be off with U.

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    Mute Margie Murph
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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:15 AM

    So 50% of the units will be social and affordable housing. The rest would want to go very cheap to appeal to anybody who will have to draw down a mortgage and work hard for the next 25 years to pay that mortgage, plus insurance, maintenance, property tax not to mention the intestinal fortitude it takes to get up at 7.00 to go to work while lights are off all round and know that your work is paying not just for your own shelter but for your sleeping neighbours as well.

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    Mute Paul Mc
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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:44 AM

    Nail on the head Margie!We have a housing crises so let these units as that’s what they will be units be made available to people on the housing lists.

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    Mute Fred Johnson
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    Sep 7th 2016, 11:23 AM

    Margie – whoever the developer is for the private housing on this estate, i hope he has deep pockets and can afford to take a big loss, because he’s going to face a big loss here. Might need to keep NAMA going for a few more years to deal with these sorts.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 11:56 AM

    The developer will make a profit all right. He will sling them on the DCC who will rent them to rent allowance clients. This development one way or another will be 100% social housing. The only way 50% social housing can be achieved in a private development is to keep Schtum until the other 50% are sold. Which happens!

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    Sep 7th 2016, 12:23 PM

    “work hard” spreading non-sense on the journal…

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    Mute Mary Murphy
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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:11 AM

    That’s fair enough. There are many people who can’t afford to buy in Dublin hope fully this will help some. It’s not all about people on public lists you know!!

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    Mute Jo45
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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:51 AM

    But would you buy knowing you’re neighbours might be living for free while you pay a mortgage?

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    Mute Fred Johnson
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    Sep 7th 2016, 11:10 AM

    Not a chance would i or anyone i know buy a private apartment in a place like this. When are they going to learn, integration doesn’t work. We want to live as far away from these people as possible.

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    Mute Roy Dowling
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    Sep 7th 2016, 11:44 AM

    @ cholly, Fred, unfortunately not everyone was born with a silver spoon stuck up there arse like you to. Great how you talk about your fellow country men and women.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 11:48 AM

    Roy – would be helpful if these particular fellow country men and women didn’t rob us, glass us, stab us, keep us awake every night and generally create misery.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 11:56 AM

    At Fred the you go throwing at the aul stereotype comments. How many of these particular countrymen do any of that to you?.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 1:08 PM

    I know too many of them Roy unfortunately because I live on a street which backs onto O’Devaney Gardens… It’s hell, but I can’t move because I can’t afford to rent anywhere else.

    If I want to buy if have to look at Enfield or further out because of my salary but all of the people who’ve littered my street, racially abused my local grocer, graffitied my door, stolen my bikes and potted plants and who’ve never worked for one day will no doubt be top of list for a brand new house which I – through my taxes – have paid for.

    I’m more of a member of this community than they are, but can’t even dream of living in the area my family has lived for four generations.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 1:09 PM

    Those so called “vermin” would be better neighbors than stuck up tw@ts like yourself who wouldn’t give someone the steam off your p!ss.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 1:21 PM

    People in local authority housing pay rent according to their means. If they’re working which most of ten are the rents be quite high. Also most people prefer to work even if some of the fascists on here say otherwise.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 1:53 PM

    Do you have a reference for most of the social housing tenants working?

    Because I have a reference which clearly says the vast majority of them are unemployed – namely the 2013 housing needs survey.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 2:27 PM

    Roy, the stuck up tw@ts dont throw their rubbish into my yard, stuck up tw@ts dont throw eggs at me while I’m cycling, stuck up tw@ts dont have a buch of nimrods who are roaming the streets looking for stuff to break or steal, and stuck up tw@ts dont play loud music during the night because guess what – they have to go to work tomorrow to pay for their stuck up mortgages and doles to the pr!cks who havent worked a single day in their entire miserable lives.

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    Sep 25th 2016, 11:02 AM

    Living for free is a misconception. Social tenants are means tested by the local authority and pay according to their means. Nothing is free

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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:10 AM

    Why pay a mortgage when you can hold out for a free gaf..if I was paying one and my neighbour in the same house wasn’t I’d probably end up strangling the whole family.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:13 AM

    Your family or theirs?

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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:17 AM

    Do I get a prize if I say both.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:28 AM

    Social housing isn’t free, tenants have to pay rent. Why does everyone think that?

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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:31 AM

    Sure isn’t murder hilarious altogether. Have we all moved on so quickly and forgotten the Hawe family already?

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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:37 AM

    Don’t be so melodramatic Dave

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    Mute Jo45
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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:53 AM

    Shaner, the ‘rent’ is hardly market rates. More like a few quid after the booze & fags have been bought

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    Sep 7th 2016, 11:06 AM

    Oh did I trigger you Dave?. Apologies if I did.

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    Mute John Considine
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    Sep 7th 2016, 11:45 AM

    Tell the whole story. They pay a “differential rent” which is income related, wth further discounts according to family size. They get all repairs and maintenance done for them. If they are on the dole, they pay less, so no incentive to work. After a few years they are offered a purchase scheme, and unrealistically low values. Compare that to saving a deposit, getting a mortgage, paying it come what may and doing your own maintenance and repairs.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 11:46 AM

    Please show some sort of evidence that social housing is free.

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    Mute Sean @114
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    Sep 7th 2016, 7:42 PM

    Yes John but they are living in O’Devaney Gardens, not Dalkey. How much rent would you be prepared to be pay per week assuming you are on minimum wage and living in O’Devaney Gardens? If you don’t like the idea of saving for and then paying off a mortgage then join the social housing list. Write back when you secure your 9 foot square damp box on the 5th floor of a flat complex in Dolphin’s Barn.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:13 AM

    100% social housing just creates a ghetto !

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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:32 AM

    5% social housing could create a ghetto just as easily as 100% just depends on the “people” who the council let’s in.

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    Mute Gavin Mendel-Gleason
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    Sep 8th 2016, 12:21 AM

    The proposal was for a mix of incomes. You could sell the land to rich people, and given the location you’re sure not to get a ghetto, but then you wont be living there either.

    I’m kind of amazed how all these people on this page, almost certainly more than half of which make less than 50k / year, can all be complaining about a housing model where they would be able to afford a permanent home in the city centre in a way that costs the state basically nothing.

    It just doesn’t make sense.

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    Mute Patrick Watson
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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:12 AM

    There aren’t many private renters who will pay for the “pleasure” of living in O’Deveny Gardens.

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    Mute Chris
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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:19 AM

    They should rebrand the name to make it sound posher. Call it ‘La Devaney of the Gardens’.

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    Mute Claire Gormley
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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:58 AM

    Yeah the name will have to change along with the conditions. There’s no reason it couldn’t be turned into an area in line with Stoneybatter and Smithfield with the great services surrounding it.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 11:22 AM

    The people have to change too!

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    Sep 7th 2016, 11:34 AM

    Claire – do you think people are stupid? Before making a life changing decision to buy they will find out this was O’Devaney gardens to be populated once again by the same freeloaders, and will run a mile.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 11:53 AM

    Fred I live in the area and despite how bad the place is currently the “for sale” signs on the houses barely last a week before they’re sold. It’s a stroll to town, has the Phoenix Park, the new university campus, the new Luas line beside it. There’s massive promise for an area like this if it’s planned and managed properly. Regeneration is important and making sure not to repeat the mistakes of the past. Saying an area “was” something has no bearing on what it could be.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 12:23 PM

    Well said Claire.

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    Mute Mick Johnson
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    Sep 7th 2016, 1:13 PM

    All well and good Claire but 50% council houses does not bode well. It will be a disaster all over again for the third time in 60 years…

    O’Devaney then Drumalee and now O’Devaney the second… The reason Stoneybatter has become successful is because all of those lovely red bricks are in private ownership.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 2:25 PM

    Claire – the key point you’re missing is its fine to gentrify an area by clearing out old derelict housing and replace with nice private housing, but what’s happening here is many of the same people who have caused the problems in O’Devaney will be coming back to live there. Tell you what Claire, you live next to them and tell us how you get on.

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    Mute Gavin Mendel-Gleason
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    Sep 8th 2016, 12:19 AM

    There are tons of people who would. The current going rate in Dublin Central is 1200 eur / mo and there are 40 properties total in the city centre. Rooms with 4 beds are going for 200 a bed.

    There will be new housing build on the land. The proposal from the Workers’ Party was that it would be 100% public but with a range of incomes that reflect the population. This should not be hard at all to obtain due to the insane shortage of housing.

    Cost rental works very well in many places around the world. In Vienna fully 60% of people live in public accommodation and they have a range of incomes as well. It’s time to copy models which work – the Irish housing model – especially the private one – does not.

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    Mute Kal Ipers
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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:15 AM

    Interesting that what was once 100% social housing shouldn’t be now which I agree with. Yet in Beaumont they recently bought an entire estate and made it social housing. Consistency seems not to be a thing anymore

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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:45 AM

    Which estate in Beaumont Kal?

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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:58 AM

    The new one still being built of Beaumont Rd by the fruit and veg place

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    Sep 7th 2016, 1:29 PM

    The builder who built that estate in Beaumont built my estate around the same time and didn’t tell us but built 44 social houses in the estate too. Way more than the required amount of social houses. The reason why is because he wanted to sell the Beaumont houses privately and get around the regulations by saying the council houses are in my estate. But he realised that selling the 44 houses to the council was the easiest sale he’s ever had and made a nice profit so sold the Beaumont houses to the council too.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 1:59 PM

    He didn’t sell them to the council he sold them to a social housing group with help from the council. The are still social housing none the less. It appears integration is not a priority unless profits the council. Weird thing is the people who live there at present have more than one car that are both more expensive than my single car. Makes me very suspicious of how honest and accurate the means tests are.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:10 AM

    Developers paying off DCC, nothing to see here……..

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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:12 AM

    DCC breaking the law by imposing undue planning conditions, nothing to see here

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    Sep 7th 2016, 11:20 AM

    On the other hand there are more Nigerians per square yard in the area, I.E. North circular Rd. Phoenix park end, the private buyers will be falling over themselves to buy, buy, buy. Not.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 11:11 AM

    O Devanney gardens? Not exactly Beverly Hills. Haven for toe rags and gougers

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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:22 AM

    The developer will do well to sell 50% private unless they sell to investors. The will also need to design he layout into three blocks Private affordable and Public with separate entrances and maybe even boundary walls. It’s a lot of units one development and if the figures don’t stack up the development doesn’t go ahead and that’s the bottom line. Hence the importance of developers across the world.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 11:14 AM

    Yes, Gareth and what will investors do,most probably rent them out to the council for HAP.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 12:33 PM

    You are way off the mark. The DIT new campus is being built around the corner. There will be plenty of people to buy them. The social housing will be mixed throughout too. It is a higher rate than most but already done in Santry

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    Sep 7th 2016, 1:32 PM

    So long as troublesome and bad tenants can be soundly evicted, I don’t see too much of a problem.

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    Sep 8th 2016, 8:54 PM

    I think people will buy but the most expensive ones have to be below market rates. You have to get a considerable discount to live in a complex that also features unemployed people

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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:15 AM

    Here we go again.
    One of the first casualties of the Celtic Tiger era was the obligation to build social housing. Initially the requirement was 20%, a figure which was quickly whittled down to 10% and more often than not the resulting figure was zero per cent as the councils chose to accept bags of cash instead of upholding their responsibility to enforce the law.
    Hence the chronic housing situation and the increase in homelessness.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:31 AM

    The councils were allowed accept payment to build housing elsewhere if they felt the housing was not suitable for social housing. You make it sound like a bribe which it wasn’t. It was legal to do this as it was part of the legislation so they were enforcing the law. They did fail to use the money for housing but people voted them back in so what can you do?

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    Sep 7th 2016, 11:04 AM

    ‘The councils were allowed accept payment to build housing elsewhere if they felt the housing was not suitable for social housing’
    The council’s acceptance of cash payment for fines has nothing to do with the quality of housing. There was no social housing built. The developers quickly calculated that the amount of the fines could be offset by an increase in price of units on the developement.
    There was an obligation for social housing placed on land designated for developement, land which developers would not have had access to otherwise. That obligation should have been enforced.
    Now look at the mess.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 12:00 PM

    Joey> It wasn’t fines it is part of the legislation. Simple logic if you were building an estate with 6 bedrooms and double garage houses they weren’t suitable as social housing. There was a clause where the council could take payment to build housing elsewhere. There was no fine for not providing social housing in estates because the council could just take ownership. The failure to build the housing lie squarely on the council. You have made up the scenario, I don’t know why you need to do that.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:49 AM

    I can’t wait for all the “Why should I pay so much for a mortgage if my neighbour doesn’t” comments. The problem is that you’re paying ridiculous amounts of money, not that they’re paying less. Don’t try to drag everyone into your shit. You should be hoping that everyone can get affordable housing, not that everyone should spend the rest of their lives paying off a mortgage

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    Sep 7th 2016, 11:22 AM

    ‘Don’t try to drag everyone into your shit’.That’s funny. I’ll tell you what, how about I stop saving for a mortgage and everyone else who’s saving stops and just plonk ourselves on the social housing list..Bums like you wouldn’t be long coming on here complaining there’s no social housing available, too much of a back log, which it is already. A backlog of bums.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 12:44 PM

    Is there a agreed process from the beginning to evict people for anti social behaviour
    Will it be the usual situation were a small number of very dysfunction families hold everyone else to ransom
    The council been unable to do anything about them

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    Sep 7th 2016, 1:39 PM

    Ha, bums like me… I’m not on a social housing list. I’m saving for my own mortgage. However, I don’t wish that shitty situation on everyone else. I wish that we could all afford a house. Because idiots like yourself think it’s normal to spend your entire life paying off a house is the reason why society has allowed this to happen.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 1:57 PM

    I’m in a shitty situation. Where’s my free house?

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    Sep 7th 2016, 2:27 PM

    There are plenty of affordable houses all over Ireland. There’s houses in Longford for €50,000 which one could repay even on the dole.

    The problem is left wing councillors entertaining the fantasy that people have a right to live where they were born!!! Correct me if I’m wrong but we are a republic and the last time I checked we have fought long and hard not to have to pay for kings and queens to live where their parents did!!!

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    Sep 7th 2016, 3:05 PM

    And none of you think that if we had built enough decent housing then we wouldn’t have such expensive property? The only reason prices are so high is because supply is low. The government (pushed by the banks) are keeping supply low to push up the price of housing so that the banks can start evicting people and boost their profits. If the government was trying to make life better for everyone in Ireland they’d be pushing for a massive increase in the supply of housing. This would make property more affordable for everyone.

    You can have your sad, spiteful, “I’m paying for the rest of my life so everyone else should” attitude but I’d rather this and future generations didn’t have to become slaves to the banks just to afford to live in the city.

    If this happened there would be less need for social housing. The higher the prices go, the more people will need social housing. Surely that would make the “If I can’t have it, nobody can” crowd a little happier?

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    Sep 7th 2016, 3:33 PM

    148,000 empty houses in Ireland.

    Supply is plentiful… But the entitlement culture is even more plentiful. The reason there is a shortage of supply in Dublin is precisely because of too much government involvement placing people who largely don’t work right beside where all the jobs are. If it was left to the private sector we’d have plenty of houses as they would have built taller and more people who work woul live beside where they work so we’d have less traffic / delays / less spent on fuel.. Loads of benefits!

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    Sep 7th 2016, 3:45 PM

    That sounds like exactly what I just said. There’s not enough housing in Dublin and it’s the government that have caused the problem.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 12:49 PM

    Lovely idea in theory but it has never worked anywhere. You cant drag people up by simply moving them into a middle class area

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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:10 AM

    Good man Simon!

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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:38 AM

    The ideal would be a government backed, 100% public funded scheme that would provide a social, cost rental, affordable house scheme that has community facilities built alongside the housing.
    The sad fact is that this year the people did not vote for a left alternative in big enough numbers to push that through and that unfortunately those on the left with us now spend most of their time attacking Sinn Féin and not those imposing private housing in many housing schemes.

    It’s very difficult to see an alternative government in the near future. That leaves FF/FG a clear field into the future.
    Something the WP/AAA/PBP/SWP/SP etc (apologies if I’ve forgot your group) should think very carefully about. Or maybe your happy to be permanent protestors?

    Finally, there’s now 50% more chance those on the housing list and those who qualify for cost rental than before. That’s progress, not the end of the battle but a start!
    Sometimes we need to show we can win small victories before more people will put their trust in us.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 11:01 AM

    And the Irish never will vote for a left gov in sufficient numbers, certainly not left of Labour. Most Irish people will always give a helping hand but are against permanent handouts. Sooner or later, the choice of sink or swim has to be handed down to everyone.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 12:47 PM

    You wouldn’t want your dinner party guests slipping on a can of tennants super

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    Sep 7th 2016, 1:53 PM

    They are right . Why would you repeat the same mistakes of the 80′s . All housing projects should be a mixture of social and private .

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    Sep 7th 2016, 4:29 PM

    Who in their right minds would want to buy one of these anyway.

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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:20 AM

    Who would want to pay a mortgage to live there ffs!!

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    Sep 7th 2016, 10:37 AM

    Wellcome to the new ghetto ffs.

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    Sep 8th 2016, 8:51 PM

    There was a piece in the Guardian about how that area is one of the top up-and-coming areas in Dublin, they need to keep it that way. Creating a 100% housing project is not the way to do it. Especially when it’s surrounded by chic little townhouses that artists are refurbishing. I hope the other apartments are below market price though because nobody is going to pay market price to live amongst social housing. So the units should be around 65% of market price or so to attract buyers.

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