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HILLARY CLINTON AND Donald Trump clashed in a fierce debate overnight – the first of three such contests to take place ahead of November’s general election.
The general consensus among most commentators, in the aftermath, was that Clinton had the better night. While Trump managed to stick to his talking points and mount aggressive attacks on his opponent, it was the Democrat who had the most effective barbs and landed more killer punches.
“It’s all words, it’s all soundbites,” Trump responded to one of Clinton’s attacks, mid-debate. The businessman did well at times to counter his opponent’s broadsides, bringing up her woes with emails several times, but he found himself on the ropes towards the end of the event as the former Secretary of State hammered him on his stance on the Iraq war and his attitude towards women.
“I will release my tax returns – against my lawyer’s wishes – when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted,” Trump responded when pressed by moderator Lester Holt about his tax returns.
Clinton shot back that such a challenge was “another example of bait and switch,” noting that presidential candidates for the last four decades had released their tax returns.
“I have no reason to believe that he’s ever going to release his tax returns, because there’s something he’s hiding,” she added.
Maybe he’s not as rich as he says he is.
Trump brought up the Clinton email controversy a number of times.
The GOP candidate and other Republicans have repeatedly argued that Clinton may have deleted emails in order to prevent information damaging to her from becoming public.
“If I had to do it over again, I would, obviously, do it differently,” Clinton acknowledged about her use of private email.
But I’m not going to make any excuses. It was a mistake and I take responsibility for that.
“That was not a mistake. That was done purposely,” Trump interjected, saying it was “disgraceful” that Clinton staff, including the man who set up the Clintons’ home server, were allowed to take the “the 5th” and decline to answer investigators’ questions.
In one of the more bizarre moments of the debate, Trump accused Clinton of fighting Isis her “entire adult life”.
So-called Islamic State began to emerge in 2009, although their roots go back to the al Qaeda in Iraq group, which started in 2004. Hillary Clinton is 68 years old.
Trump, in keeping with his barnstorming style, had plenty of off-the-cuff soundbites of his own (“Typical politician” … “We are in a big, fat, ugly bubble”) but Clinton hit home with a few well-timed pre-rehearsed jabs.
“You live in your own reality,” she told the former Apprentice host at one stage.
After one prolonged attack from the Republican she responded: “By the end of the night I’m going to be blamed for everything”.
“Why not,” her opponent responded.
Trump was forced to defend his record as a businessman at several points.
“You know, Donald was very fortunate in his life and that’s all to his benefit,” Clinton said, early in the debate. “He started his business with $14 million, borrowed from his father, and he really believes that the more you help wealthy people, the better off we’ll be.”
The businessman responded:
Well, for one thing, and before we start on that, my father gave me a very small loan in 1975 and I built it into a company that’s worth many, many billions of dollars with some of the greatest assets in the world and I say that because that’s the kind of thinking our country needs.
Trump has been criticised before for calling the loan he received from his father “small”.
Clinton accused Trump of launching his political career by supporting what she called a “racist” theory that questioned Barack Obama’s citizenship.
“He tried to put the whole racist ‘birther’ lie to bed,” the Democrat said, referring to his recent attempts to walk-back his prolonged campaign against America’s first black president.
But it can’t be dismissed that easily. He has really started his political activity based on this racist lie that our first black president was not an American citizen.
The debate really gathered pace in the closing half hour.
Trump struggled to explain his position on the Iraq war. Over a long answer, he essentially admitted that he said he was in favour of the invasion before he was against it.
Slate has the transcript…
And here’s the video:
Clinton had a well-structured response ready to go when the inevitable attack on her “stamina” arrived, late on.
Well, as soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiates a peace deal, a ceasefire, a release of dissidents… or even spends 11 hours testifying in front of a congressional committee, he can talk to me about stamina.
In one of the final exchanges, Clinton brought up former Miss Universe contestant Alicia Machado, who said Trump regularly bullied her when he took over the pageant, calling her “Miss Piggy”.
“And one of the worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty contest. He loves beauty contests, supporting them and hanging around them.
He called this woman ‘Miss Piggy’. Then he called her ‘Miss Housekeeping’ because she was Latina.
Trump surprised more than a few observers, with one of his last comments…
- With reporting from AFP
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Perhaps Simon should take over the Housing Minister position.
Every story about the homeless has a real live human being behind it. Some like this guy make it out of the gutter, alcohol and the rent situation put him in the gutter.
Yet all we hear from FG supporters here is slander with no bounds, as they queue up to pour their vitriolic bile on anyone who’s situation has being highlighted. Everyone is a sponger, a freeloader, wants a mythical free house, never worked in their life. All to justify the neglect of the poor and less well off, and deflect on the huge damage done to society by government policies.
@Dave Doyle: It’s so true it would make you sick. This country is in one horrible mess and the worst thing is it would take something on a revolutionary scale to change it.
Well done to simon services… the goverment s minister regina Doherity has decided to not give xmas bonus this year is she fr real ??? Pay rises were given to herself and her cohorts but the rest of us are crippled with high taxs we are paying the higest mortgage rates in the EU.. car tax insurance is also higher..half the country are homeless ..hope this goverment including fianna fail who are supporting their decisions are destroyed in the next election…they are not fit fr purpose
@Mari: we are not the most expensive country in the EU, also renting is more prominent in other countries. Yes we have a massive problem with homelessness and people living in emergency accommodation we are not the worst in EU either. This does not mean I think anyone should be let off the hook for the shambles the country is in, but the people here need to take off the rose tinted glasses
@GClare: we absolutely are one of the most expensive countries for gas, electricity, insurance, food, housing and so on.
When you include taxes we get little in return by way of services for all, such as healthcare.
The only person with rose tinted glasses here is you. You clearly haven’t been living in Ireland the last 10years with that attitude.
@Regina Farrell: By your rationale, the government should have their salaries suspended. Certainly housing, justice, healthcare, transport and the Taoiseach. Manipulating the system and doing sweet effay in return.
@Mari: since when is 10,000 People half the country?
Fair play to Geoff! Onwards..Great admiration for a person homeless after 7 years and to come back. With the right people anything is possible!
@paul christopher cox: Indeed, imagine if FF/FG/labour gave as much of a care, what might be possible… Geoff and many more might’ve been contributing to our society if our governments had actually come up with solutions instead creating the problems in the first place.
Pity they don’t finance ngo’s the same way public servants are. Staff at NGO’s are the cheap version of public services and are expected to do similar work.
@Brian Smith: now that really does depend on the NGO; take a look into background of charities, remember the scandal a few years ago, that was not made up!!! And it is world wide not just Ireland
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