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'I regret not talking to my mother about her death, don't do the same thing'

The Irish Hospice Foundation wants people to talk about death, dying and grief more openly.
WE WERE AFRAID to say the word ‘death’, afraid that if we faced it she would die. We didn’t want to accept that she was going to die. The outcome of that was very difficult. We didn’t give her a chance to talk about dying.

Rebecca Lloyd’s mother, Christine, died 12 years ago. She was diagnosed with Motor Neurone Disease (MND) eight months previously.

MND is a progressive neurological condition that attacks nerves in the brain and spinal cord. This means messages gradually stop reaching a person’s muscles, which leads to weakness and wasting.

Rebecca notes that MND is often referred to as the “1,000 day disease” as most people diagnosed with it die within that number of days.

“She had much, much less time. It was horrible. She was such a huge part of lives,” Rebecca says of her mother, who was in her early 60s when she died.

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“It turned my life, our lives, upside down … MND is a debilitating disease. Diagnosis to death was less than eight months … It changed our lives dramatically.”

Rebecca told TheJournal.ie she was living in California with her husband and baby son when her mother was diagnosed with MND.

They moved back to Yorkshire in England, where Rebecca is from, and were there for the final few weeks of Christine’s life.

‘Grief is just so hard’ 

While she is grateful she was around to spend time with her mother, Rebecca deeply regrets that she and other family members didn’t talk to her about her death.

“We were afraid to say the word ‘death’, afraid that if we faced it she would die. We didn’t want to accept that she was going to die. The outcome of that was very difficult. We didn’t give her a chance to talk about dying.

Even as an adult grief is just so hard. What I’ve learned since then is that talking about it always makes it easier.

Rebecca praised her father Paul for the “magnificent” care he provided for Christine, enabling her to stay at home until the day before she died.

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Her mother’s death had a profound effect on her – in more ways than one. It led to her giving up her job as an engineer and she now works with the Compassionate Communities Project at the Milford Care Centre in Co Limerick.

“I made it my life’s goal to help people who are dying or bereaved.”

Rebecca says a large part of her job is “talking to people who are fit and healthy to get them to talk about planning for death”.

“We can make lots of decisions when we are calm and fine … We are not as good at making decisions when we’re in hospital and crisis has hit us.”

Death charter 

With this in mind, Rebecca helped devise the Irish Hospice Foundation’s (IHF) Charter on Dying, Death and Bereavement. The survey aims to gather the views of people in Ireland about death and grief before presenting them to the Government in a bid to help guide the national approach to services and supports for dying and bereaved people.

It has received about 600 responses in three weeks, and the goal is to reach at least 1,000. Rebecca says she has been “blown away” by the reaction.

“It’s notoriously difficult to get people to fill in surveys – you’re normally lucky if you get 20 or 30 people, especially dealing with something people don’t want to talk about. People obviously really do want to talk about it.”

Rebecca says people often avoid talking about death and dying because it’s an awkward topic and they might not know what to say.

She says some bereaved people have told her grief starts when the funeral ends.

We’re brilliant at funerals, the Irish are brilliant at funerals. After the month’s mind [mass] the support disappears. Especially for carers, they’re kind of just left.

Rebecca states that bereaved people often become socially isolated and sometimes people avoid bringing up their loss, noting: “We feel crippled with anxiety that we just don’t know what to say.”

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The goal of the charter is to place death and bereavement on the national agenda so people are more comfortable discussing it, and have access to services that will help when they’re in need.

Rebecca notes that Ireland has an ageing population and, according to a previous IHF survey, three quarters of people want to die at home.

“We want the Irish people to say what they want to see happen. The thing is we don’t know what they want.

“Are they afraid of pain? Are they afraid of what will happen to their family? Are they afraid of talking about death?”

‘Very lonely decisions’ 

IHF chief executive officer Sharon Foley said: “We are asking people to remember and reflect on their own experiences of dying, death and bereavement and re-imagine what it might take to facilitate a good death.

For all of us there will come a time when we will need care through illness and it’s important we understand how people look at death and dying to ensure correct supports are in place.

Campaign supporter Jillian van Turnhout, a former Senator, recently spoke about helping her father have his say at the end of his life.

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“Talk about end of life when you are healthy so you really know what your loved ones want.

“My father Michael wished to remain in Clonskeagh community nursing home instead of going to hospital when he was told he had 24 hours to live. Clonskeagh was his home at that point and it was where our family ensured he remained until he passed away a year after the decision.

Very lonely decisions have to be made at end of life and it’s important we feel no guilt in making these choices because we know it’s the wishes of our loved ones. My family and I made sure dad’s wishes were held to the end and that’s what keeps us strong now.

The IHF is currently holding death cafés, where people get together and talk about death and grief over a cup of tea and a bite to eat, in various locations around Ireland. The next one is due to take place on Monday at Dublin City Council Civic Offices on Wood Quay from 11am – 1pm.

“We need to be more honest, attend death café conversations and complete the Irish Hospice Foundation’s survey so we can make a path for the people we love and know what matters to the people of Ireland. Talk in advance and check in with each other, even if it’s only one dinner conversation,” van Turnhout advised.

For more information on the IHF’s services, visit its website. The survey can be filled out here.

Information about support available to people with MND can be read here.

Read: “There is something profound about holding someone as they take their last breaths”

Read: What would you tweet from your deathbed?’: An afternoon at a death café: 

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    Aug 21st 2021, 10:16 AM

    Who

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    Mute John Mulligan
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    Aug 21st 2021, 10:19 AM

    @patrick joyce: she writes books about ridin’.

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    Aug 21st 2021, 10:28 AM

    @John Mulligan: she a bit like Jilly Cooper then

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    Aug 21st 2021, 10:31 AM

    @John Mulligan: It’s a bit much for me, Father. “Féck this” and “Féck that”.
    “You big bástard.” Oh, Dreadful Language. “You big hairy àrse.” “You big Fècker.” Fierce Stuff! And of course the F-word father, the bad F-word. Worse then Féck. You know the one I mean.

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    Aug 21st 2021, 10:57 AM

    @Longlin: ride me sideways was another one

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    Aug 21st 2021, 10:57 AM

    @patrick joyce: Google is your friend

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    Aug 21st 2021, 10:58 AM

    @DJ François: he doesn’t need Google, it says her name in the title of the piece. And if you’ve never heard the name of the aurhor Sally Rooney before you are living in a cave in outer Mongolia.

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    Aug 21st 2021, 11:11 AM

    @JustBEERbarry: Donegal here but no never heard the name. Now I have though

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    Aug 21st 2021, 11:36 AM

    @JustBEERbarry: I read a lot and hand on heart I can honestly say I’ve never heard of her before today. Having said that, now that I have heard of her I might give her a go.

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    Aug 21st 2021, 11:38 AM

    @Gerry from the Block: I’ve never read anything written by her but you cannot help but have heard of her being the author behind Normal People alone.

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    Aug 21st 2021, 11:38 AM

    @JustBEERbarry: Ah here wait. Is this the one who wrote normal people? If so, you’re grand thanks love.

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    Aug 21st 2021, 2:41 PM

    @Longlin: Set in Dublin, is it?

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    Aug 22nd 2021, 4:33 AM

    @patrick joyce: sally Rooney, author.

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    Aug 21st 2021, 10:41 AM

    Judging by the current % who have said they haven’t read her books and some of the comments, I’m left wondering if this is a genuine poll, or advertising by another name?

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    Aug 22nd 2021, 4:35 AM

    @D. Memery: I’m sure most journal commentators don’t read. In many cases they don’t write as if they read.

    Also, of course, the “Who is she” brigade are often fishing for thanks.

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    Aug 21st 2021, 10:43 AM

    I hated Normal People I have to say .Bought it for something to read on a long plane journey but quickly decided it was not my cup of tea at all .In fairness I am definitely most probably not in her target audience .All that teenage angst is long behind me .

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    Aug 21st 2021, 10:35 AM

    Fair play to her. That’s huge publicity and will boost the sales no end. Her publishers are doing good work. Her writing is beautiful, her content not for all, I think that’s a result of her being a younger writer and capturing the current zeitgeist which doesn’t always translate to the older generations, the fault being outs not hers. Easier to read back in time than ahead.
    In any case it’s great to see a young Irish author doing so well. More power to her.

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    Aug 21st 2021, 6:51 PM

    @Mark carolan: that doesnt relate to older generations!. Is that why modern day music is flat and dull..
    And modern comedians brutally unfunny.. And most of rte, s output seriously bad.. Is it because us older generation are missing something.

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    Aug 21st 2021, 10:17 AM

    “Influencers” groan.

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    Aug 21st 2021, 10:58 AM

    I find Rooney’s books perfectly readable, but my overall view of them is a big “so what?” In other words they are, like Seamus Heaney’s poetry, very overrated.

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    Aug 21st 2021, 11:39 AM

    I always chuckle when I read the term “influencer”. The smell of neediness off of it is overpowering.

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    Aug 21st 2021, 11:12 AM

    Books for angsty teenage girls and frustrated middle-aged wives

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    Aug 21st 2021, 11:57 AM

    @Garden Shed: point? You’re obviously not her target audiance. No need to be nasty. Shes doing brilliantly and fair play to her!!

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    Aug 21st 2021, 12:15 PM

    @Kelsey Doyle: yet we have a commenter up above we have a commenter stating that even if you’re not her target audience, if you have not heard of her you must be a cave dweller from outer Mongolia. Proving one thing, that no matter how benign the topic, some journal commenters will turn anything toxic

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    Aug 21st 2021, 12:33 PM

    @D. Memery: no nastiness there. Just saying that’s her target audience. Fair play to her, she’s doing very well

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    Aug 21st 2021, 12:39 PM

    I watched Normal People and liked it. The director, Paul Mescal and Daisy Edgar Jones did a brilliant job in bringing that book to life. I then read the book. It was dreadful from beginning to end.

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    Aug 21st 2021, 3:02 PM

    @Jakie McLean: I felt the exact same

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    Aug 21st 2021, 12:43 PM

    There probably should be a “Never heard of her.” Choice in the poll… Seems like I’m not alone in not recognizing her name

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    Aug 21st 2021, 2:28 PM

    No. Amazed she’s so popular. Her stories are basic and she doesn’t use punctuation in her books and somehow gets away with it.

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    Aug 21st 2021, 11:43 AM

    Who

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    Aug 21st 2021, 3:48 PM

    Sally Rooney

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    Aug 21st 2021, 11:59 AM

    Will she and Roddy Doyle be among the “prominent Irish writers and thinkers” who will be at the Arus to have dinner and chat with President Macron when he makes his important visit?

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    Aug 21st 2021, 10:44 PM

    I’ve read both books, thought they were over-rated. Grand like but a bit emperor’s new clothes-y.

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    Aug 21st 2021, 4:42 PM

    How is this a “poll” on a news site?

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    Aug 21st 2021, 4:00 PM

    Really disappointed with the Journal for this article. Seems designed to invite begrudgers and trolls. Why not just celebrate such a successful artist?

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    Aug 21st 2021, 4:40 PM

    @Lucy Legacy: it is basically a press release for her. Granted the poll element is strange, but can you not critique someone’s writing without being a begrudger?

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    Aug 22nd 2021, 2:00 PM

    @Fred spins kdb: valid points. You absolutely can critique, and you definitely don’t have to be a fan. However, I have never, ever seen any other poll about any other author, or even music artist or otherwise either.

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    Aug 21st 2021, 10:31 AM

    I haven’t read any if them yet as I much prefer the type of content that Helen Moorhouse’s writes about in her books but maybe I’ll give it a read

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