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TALKS TODAY BETWEEN the Association of Secondary Teachers in Ireland (ASTI) and the Department of Education have finished with “no new developments” to report.
The talks are taking place in an attempt to stave off further industrial action by teachers over pay. They are now expected to resume tomorrow morning.
At present, just one of seven day-long strikes has gone ahead (on Thursday 27 October), although ASTI members will stop performing supervisory or substitution duties from 7 November.
This could see a situation where many schools are closed indefinitely as a result of that action due to “health and safety issues”.
The next official strike date is scheduled for Tuesday next week, 8 November.
“Both sides are out of talks now,” an ASTI spokesperson said this evening.
At present there are no developments. Currently, they’re finalising arrangements for more talks.
A spokesperson for the Department of Education this evening said it had “held discussions with the ASTI today in relation to issues of concern”.
These discussions have now been adjourned for the evening. Talks are due to continue following a planned meeting of the ASTI’s standing committee which is scheduled to take place tomorrow.
Last week, in the wake of the first stoppage on 27 October, ASTI president Ed Byrne had suggested that a temporary suspension of the strike action should better pay terms be offered. That suggestion was subsequently played down by the organisation’s general secretary Kieran Christie.
“We are a long way from that, unfortunately,” Christie told RTÉ when asked directly about any possible suspension.
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I could be wrong but I get the feeling this guy was shot for the sake of his second name. Doesnt seem to have been involved with the level of drug dealing that the others are
@ James O Connell
money lending is no better than drug dealing
intimidation is intimidation full stop
I live in the City Centre, very close to where that shooting took place yesterday evening and I regularly see drugs being sold openly on the street. Drug pushers don’t have any fear of being caught because there is no visible Garda presence anywhere! It’s a free for all, get your brown in the centre of town, free delivery service available.
I agree I work I that area about twice a week and level of criminality is off the scale with no Garda presence at all!
The lad who was shot dead at the hotel seemed to be at the higher level of organised crime. The Sunday World had pictures of him driving a jeep worth 200k.. Eddie Hutch it seems was still working as a Taxi Driver and had minor convictions years ago… As his neighbours said, he was a soft target..
David Dickson you can’t tar them all with the same brush, i know fellas who have serious convictions and come from lovely families including garda members siblings
But I will in this case.
@Coco
Come on this whole family is from the deepest cess pit of society and the ones with lesser convictions were just a bit smarter than the rest.
I know where you coming from but the Hutch family is pure evil filth!
@ Super Ted
yeah its the guards fault that people put poison up their nose and in their arm
will you ever wake up FFS
@ david dickson
ireland is getting more and more like america
someone gets shot
the media tell us they are a victim etc
then anyone who tells the truth gets attacked online
@ Stephen Dunne
calling him a runt because he told the truth
a truth that makes you angry for some mysterious reason
i don’t know why his comment put you in a rage but i bet the guards do
Robert, I never said it was the Guards fault, you’re making a wild assumption. There is no deterrent for drug dealers because there is no coordinated approach between the Government, Gardai and Judiciary to effectively tackle the problem. Pathetic sentences handed down to repeat offenders because of mitigating circumstances such as, “your honour, he came from a broken home but is trying to mend his ways”. Drug dealing has now become a career move for young people because our spineless government have decided to turn a blind eye to criminal activities in the city.
“not heavily involved in the gangland scene”. Does that mean he was involved, but only a little bit, here and there?
Yeah that is very vague….it’s the typical Irish response…”ah sure he is a grand fella”
He was a “good” gangland figure
“not heavily involved in the gangland scene” is what the person who wrote this included, lets look what is in actual quotes in the article:
One local said…. “a decent guy”, “definitely outside criminality”
Social Democrat’s Gary Gannon, who grew up in the area: “The victim last night, he wasn’t known to be involved in any sort of criminality”
So unless the journalist has other information not included in the article it would seem there is not evidence to suggest he was involved in criminality at all, and the “journalist” should be ashamed of themselves and alter it immediately
You mean like having 160k “resting” in his bank account?
Which was transfered to rest in CAB’s bank account.
I know I wouldn’t have been sitting in my flat considering what happened over the weekend. What was he at…
Well CAB successfully seized 156k he had in a bank account in his own name so whether he was “definitely outside criminality” is not even up for debate.
*I missed the bull’s post there.
Bull, now doubt he was involved in some way the past, but the article is about the local community reaction to last nights shooting. The author clearly states in the first sentence that “locals described him as a good man who was not heavily involved in the gangland scene” when that not the way he was described at all. Contrast this with the quotes of what the locals are quoted saying, and specifically the SD rep who described him as not involved in any sort of criminality. Therefore “not heavily involved” is the authors spin and should not be used to describe what the locals said about the man
Is “Not heavily involved” the same as a wee bit pregnant or a wee bit dead?
is that the same Diarmuid Martin who said it was very unfair the way Larry Murphy was treated after he left prison?
or was it Brian DArcy ?
either way,.. pedo church hypocrites
I live 2 minute’s from his house. He has often picked me and my nan up to take me to the hospital. He was a quite man from what I know of him. He always helped me in with my oxygen and bag’s. I don’t really care what other people say about him, he was always nice enough to me and me nan.
He sounds dreamy
@Sabrina
So because he was nice to you he must be a decent man?
Strange logic!
I’m sure his brother or his sons were nice to some neighbours as well, it means absolutely nothing!
She didn’t say he was a decent man. She said he was always nice enough to her and her Nan. No need to jump down her throat, you moron. She’s speaking off personal experience. Which is more than you have.
Matt , Sabrina never actually said he was a decent man .
@Conor
Ha ha pit bull calls me a moron, getting a bit nervous about all that nice man and decent fella crap is getting ripped apart piece by piece?
Anyway nice man, decent man not a big difference! Who cares if he’s been nice to his neighbours it doesn’t mean a thing! Many serial killers have been described as nice and caring by neighbours and work mates.
Matt did you know the man ? You seem gleeful this man was murdered, shot several times in the head in his home. Think about it for a moment, the act itself, the brutality of it. Because family members of his are involved he was was killed, it’s sad beyond words, anyone who knew him says he was a likeable kind working man but you don’t care because his family are criminals. ….. enough said
@Joe
I already said he probably didn’t deserve it, he wasn’t a major player and probably inactive. However laundering money for the family does not exactly make him a saint either and all that decent fella, good/nice man crap getting on my nerves!
And I’m not happy about someone getting shot in his home but a family that lives by the sword dies by the sword if he would have cut loose all ties with his brother, sons and cousins he wouldn’t have been a target and if my kids are ruthless criminals I have some responsibility as a father! 1 bad apple in the family comes down to the individual but almost the whole family you can see a pattern.
@Suzie
Nice man, decent man not much of a difference!
Anyway how the man treated his neighbours is completely irrelevant to assess his level of involvement in the family business!
A certain Ted Bundy was described by neighbours and colleagues as nice, helpful and likeable.
Matt, it’s one thing to troll the comments section of a random news article but it is something altogether different to troll an article where someone has lost their life.
You can hide away behind your fake profile, like many of us here, but you can’t hide away from the rotten person you evidently are.
@Pedro
Not trolling nothing just giving my opinion you don’t have to agree with it!
You can stick your sanctimonious crap up your backside!
You can hide behind your fake account but you cannot hide being a moron!
Matt look up the word compassion, then look at the man’s picture, think about what the people that actually knew him said about him, then think about what happened to him, having his ife so violently stole. I just find it both extremely sad and blood boiling at the same time. Try and have some compassion or are you as cold as his killers ?
There’s a difference between being sanctimonious and being correct.
You don’t know the deceased and you appear to have ignored all reports – including that of the Garda – which indicates that this man was not actively involved in crime. However you continue to argue the case as if this man’s death was the result of his own choices? I think you need to look again at who is the moron in this situation.
Let’s have a look a what you have said so far –
- You’ve compared him to a serial killer
- You’ve stated that he “probably” didn’t serve it (as if “probably” was something good??)
- You’ve stated that he lived by the sword
- Your “1 bad apple” comment insinuates that he was the same as the others in his family
All this is three comments.
Again – the Garda have already confirmed that this man was not actively involved in crime. However you continue to argue an almost “there’s no smoke without fire” argument without supplying any evidence to back it yourself up.
It’s funny that you described me as being sanctimonious (definition: being morally superior to others), given that you have completely cast judgment on this man, with no evidence other than the assumption that, given his family, he’s probably guilty of something. If anyone is being sanctimonious my friend, it is you.
Time to get down off that high horse.
@Joe
He helped his brother laundering money, fact!
I’m sure he knew of his kids crimes, his cousins crimes and his brothers crimes, so not actively involved doesn’t mean he was a saint!
Not saying he deserved it but an innocent victim he is not, nice guy or not he knew what was going on and he did not cut ties with his family!
@ Sabrina (^_^)
remember that movie The General
martin cahill gave money to struggling mothers
he was a quite man, he was nice enough
@ Matt Beaumont
reminds me of that race bull sh-t
Trayvon Martin, Mike Brown, Freddie Gray all shot
glorified because it would sell papers etc
He was obviously easy to get at and that’s why they went for him, although not involved in the dispute he has paid the price for his surname.
People with criminal records should not be allowed drive taxis.
This decent guy crap is disgraceful. The same can be said about Whitey Bolger. He fed many families in South Boston, Mafia Dons have been known to be generous to the poor but they are killers and money launderers.. This man was not investigated by CAB for putting too much money in the collection box mass
The guards were out in force last night and yet they couldn’t protect him. What chance have they of protecting 12 jurors when jerry abolishes the non jury courts?
It seems this man was shot because they couldn’t get his brother not for anything he was personally involved in. Might be hard to believe but you are dealing with absolute toe rags.
Other countries manage it, why can’t we? There are many measures to protect juries available.
What other countries??. Is intimidation and murdering only an Irish treat?
Sounds like maryloos bullshit
And the SCC is the measure this country has chosen! It is also supported by the vast majority of people living here so I guess it should stay.
Phil -
A bank account, that although was in his name, was seized while investigating his brother. There were also accounts set up in his sister and mothers name…. AND IT WAS 16 YEARS AGO.
Nobody is claiming that this chap had a clean record to his name but it’s widely report by all – including the Garda themselves – that he’s was not involved in criminal activity and that he was most likely targeted because he was an easy hit.
If you are going to make such statements about someone who was brutally murdered only 24 hours ago, at least have the decency to afford a bit of respect for the deceased by being accurate in your summary .
@Eamonn Hughes “Other countries manage it, why can’t we? There are many measures to protect juries available.”..Such as and where?
Gerry and Eddie Hutch
Whitey and Billy Bulger
Liam and Gerry Adams
one is a convicted criminal the other is a decent guy
Decebt Guy – pass the sick bucket
He didn’t say decebt guy. The man said he was “a decent guy”. Pass the dictionary.
You should go to the doctor if you’re not feeling well , Paul .
Eddie Hutch was the salt of the earth, a really good person, did no harm to anyone, you should take those words back because you’re speaking ill of the dead there, he was no gangster.
@ Muiris O Dolt
one less criminal makes us all safer
Good Riddance
Drug related crime was allowed get out of hand by the Gardai in Dublin. It’s being dealt and used all over the city and can been seen by everyone . Yet nothing was done for years and still nothing is being done.
The damaged has been done by a lax attitude by the Gardai. This then adds to the attitude towards the gangs.
The Gardaí have their hands tied by the fact that every single judge will listen to the “my client is reformed now as he has a six-week-old daughter to take care of” type of bullshit and then let them off (i.e. suspended sentence).
Lax attitude? At any given time there at 6 gardai scheduled for duty in pearse st stn to deal with a large area in the centre of the capital. They’re under-manned, under-resourced, under-paid, with morale riding low.
If you want to point a finger of blame point it squarely and francis fitzgerald and her immediate predecessor for refusing to adequately supply the force with the resources needs to deal with such issues. And come polling day make a change.
It has nothing to do with resources. The Gardai still have more resources than they had 10 or 15 years ago. Unfortunately many of those resources are sitting on their arses behind desks, and that’s the fault of Garda management.
One wonders how many more murders the Gardai will be able to get away with blaming on a lack of resources?
You put your finger on it Mike. A recent report estimated that there were about 1500 gardai behind desks who could and should be redeployed to policing. Why do we waste so much tax payers money on putting recruits through training in order to have a large volume of them pushing pens behind desks instead of using their training to catch bad guys? A garda receives 104 weeks (2 years) training at a cost of €9200. Do we want to put recruits through this to ultimately have them filling out passport forms? Hire civilians to do the desk work and get the gardai out on the beat.
The Garda Inspectorate report said there are well over a 1,000 gardai that can be moved from desk duty to out in the streets almost immediately. Bear in mind this report was by police from other jurisdictions so it really highlights the wastage going in in Ireland when it comes to an Garda Siochana. Before the gardai management start going on about resources why the hell don’t they get all those gardai sitting around out in the beat. Until then this resources issue is a load of crap and the government and top garda management are to blame for not reorganising the force. 20 gardai could go a water meter protest with the same amount of protestors yet I’d be surprised if this amount were patrolling the city centre in Dublin at any one time.
Norway has the same population as ireland and 4500 police officers less.it is also not the utopia many think.
Leave DOB alond , just cause he has won his case, you know the one that has been postponed until AFTER the election.
To clarify…norway has 8000 police officers.
maybe if Eddie butter wouldn’t melt Hutch created as many jobs as DOB then the gardai would be more eager to protect him 24 7
Enough already, when is the J storm coming?
Its absolutely bucketing down snow here….& starting to stick.
Where’s “here”?
Where is here?
Lapland
Over there, on your left.
Behind the sofa near the fireplace
Eddie was a solid gold guy. One off the nicest taxi drivers and a decent fella who always had a smile for you. This is disgusting and obviously a reprisal killing. It’s one thing for them to be killing each other but Eddie wasn’t a gangster. Many mornings he’d drive me and wife to work, always smiling and joking. God dammit this just isn’t right.
A drug dealer?!? You’re off you’re head the poor man’s taxi barely fit to work out of, and at times he wa soft the road for a stretch due to repairs. If he was a drug dealer (and he wasn’t) he would have had to have been the worst drug dealer ever. You have no idea who or what you’re talking about.
So Daniel, CAB confiscated 160k from him in error?
@ John B
the truth is refreshing
Michelle you are truly a great comedic writer. I love the bit about it was quiet this morning as they went about their daily commute to work . Fantastic well done
So the government will send in 40 Gardai to protect water meter installers from peaceful protesters but a hotel which has a well publicised meeting of many well known criminals has a Garda presence of ZERO. Nice to know our leaders have their priorities right
So long as these criminals keep killing each other, I don’t care.
Plenty of total innocents have been killed due to misidentifying targets.
There also killing each other over the highly profitable drug trade that has Dublin City looking like a Walking Dead backdrop. So yeah, plenty to care about.
Yeah he was ‘An Ordinary decent drug dealer’. Lovely fella I’m sure
Tell us how you know he was a drug dealer.
You know he was a dealer? Tell us how.
I think Ciaran wants to know how you know he was a dealer
@Ciaran
Does money laundering for his drug dealing sons and brother qualify him as a criminal in your opinion?
Tramps talking about a 58 yr old man who was a very nice man so if ur son or cousin does wrong means it’s OK for you to b killed morons all same comment on this
And his kids ? I don’t know the man but as a parent he failed. Yes?
Selina, you hurt my feelings. ….not. Xxx
@ Selina Farell
” a very nice man ”
did the Criminal Assets Bureau confiscate his money by accident ??????
Is he involved in crime? Is he not involved in crime? Don’t try and make the killing a little bit more justifiable by trying to determine if he was involved in crime. No one has the right to take someone else’s life via a bullet especially when at times innocent people get dragged into it.
@ Eamonn Hedderman
” No one has the right to take someone else’s life ”
the CAB is the criminal assets bureau
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What’s your point?
Funny all these so called gangsters are always decent people.Gimme a break
Ugh the typical Irish attitude, “Ah sher he was only a soft criminal” or the “He was lovely to me”. Fxck right off, he a convicted criminal none the less.
Phil, if you have enough evidence to back your bribery and corruption claim, why have you been keeping it to yourself until now?
U know what it’s a sad day no matter what RIP Eddie
And there was Edna blaming republicans. Idiot.
Keep the armed guards on the street and crime will decrease. Or is that too obvious?
Who are we up for ? I am up for the monk.
Nice man or not no one deserves to be taken out like that RIP Eddie
Any murder is senseless.
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