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IN THE FIRST nine months since new legislation was introduced, 149 people have been granted permission to legally register as a different gender from that noted at their birth.
Of the 149 gender recognition certificates issued, four were granted to applicants who were aged 16 and 17 years old. Twenty-one were issued to non-Irish born residents of the State.
One hundred people subsequently requested a new birth certificate to change the record of their gender at birth. This was done through the Register of Gender Recognition maintained by the General Register Office.
A total of 18 passports were issued to people who have received the recognition certs. Three of those were to people under the age of 18.
The figures were published by the Department of Social Protection today and cover the period from 4 September 2015 to 30 June 2016.
The 2015 laws allow for a person to be formally recognised in their preferred gender. There have been no applications rejected since the commencement of the Act, and no certificates have been revoked.
According to the department, “There has been very positive feedback from clients in respect of the timely and professional manner in which applications have been dealt with since the commencement of the Act.”
The need to introduce legislation stemmed from a High Court order in March 2008 which declared that certain sections of the Civil Registration Act 2004 were incompatible with Ireland’s obligations under the European Convention on Human Rights.
Today is being marked by the transgender community across the world as International Transgender Day of Remembrance. The day was set aside to remember those who have died as a result of hatred or prejudice, its organisers say.
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Fair play but I personally think it should only be granted to those who’ve fully transitioned and the age to transition should be 18 and up, if you’re not seen as mature enough to vote how can you be seen as mature enough to make a decision that affects the rest of your life, after 18 if you still feel the same way there should be no barriers.
I completely agree, if 18 is the age of consent then why are we allowing children to potentially butcher their future by making such a huge decision a year or two before we think they are old enough to pick FF or FG to run the country?? It’s nuckin futs!
You know what you know, you know? Gay people are gay, trans people are trans, bigots are bigots. Should we hold off on kissing until we can vote? We might be kissing the wrong gender? Ridiculous argument. Better to get this issue dealt with as soon as possible. Would you like kids with disfigurements to wait until 18 also? Open-mindedness is not your strong point, is it?
There’s quite a difference between kissing someone and making a transition that will affect the rest of your life.
Trans people are at the very highest risk of suicide. If you are not trapped in the wrong body, then you do not know what that feels like. If you do then it doesn’t matter what age you are. You feel trapped and that no one will help. This is a good, humane and compassionate piece of legislation. If in doubt, find a trans person and talk to them. Ask them, don’t tell them, what’s good for them.
Kissing will not make you sterile, disfigured kids receive surgery that doesn’t impact their future decisions to have children. Open mindedness has nothing to do with it, it’s called common sense.
Can close-mindedness masquerade as common sense? Let me cogitate upon that momentarily.
Yes. Yes it can.
If you were trans the idea of going through puberty would horrify you. This should be between a person and their doctor(s). If you think people are allowed to transition without proper checks and guards you would be wrong. Doctors are not in the business of making their patients lives worse.
@Anna B. Walk a week in the shoes of a transgender young person and you will be very quick to change your mind. These kids live openly as their chosen gender identity. They can’t go on holidays because they can’t get through passport Control. State exam papers are in the wrong name. Bank accounts, library cards everything. It causes huge anxiety and problems in their day to day living. If you had an iota of understanding about what your commenting on you would see the stupidity of your opinion.
Finally something I can agree with you on Deborah. If people did even a little research on this they would understand whats its all about. People can genuinly be born intersex or with a different brain formation than that of the body. Look it up.
No Anna, it is not called common sense. It is actually ignorant uneducated drivel that you are talking. I am the mother of a trans child an our whole family live with the fall out everyday of being born in the wrong gender. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Anna Bee Is your opinion based on the number of trans people you personally know, or the number of trans teenagers you know who were just going through a trans phase for the Craic ya know like Goth & cure heads back in the day.
Thank God, we have Hugh to tell us all what we should think, to ensure freedom of speech and expression are ridiculed, I agree just like the referendum on same sex marriage this issue is none of my business ( although fascinating) but labelling people with different opinions doesn’t help you in argument with them
Anna just to poke more holes in your opinion. Kids don’t receive surgery. They receive hormone blockers if they are very lucky before they are under the age of 16 and have been very well assessed by a number of psychiatrists before even getting g referred to a gender psychiatrist at which stage they need to be assessed again and have generally gone through puberty which in turn leads to surgery that would otherwise have not been required were they able to obtain the blockers earlier (to which I might add that their is no child gender psychiatrist in Ireland) then after a year of blockers they may or may not be approved for the either male or female hormones they so badly require. At this stage the vast majority are over the age of 18. Then they have to look into surgery to try and repair the effects of the first un wanted puberty they are forced to go through. Your opinion is not common sense it is called uneducated.
RIP common sense
Congrats to them them all that’s fantastic , shows how progressive our little island is , recent marriage referendum and recognition of trans people .
@Mrs M: Long way to go, but yes it’s progress.
Look at the red thumbs. Frightening how many bigots are still out there.
It’s so easy to red thumb something that will never effect you! Anyway I’m proud of the republic today.
Good news for people who are truly trans and have suffered all their lives for gaining recognition of who they are.
Great to hear. This is progress.
Sick world we live in..
I see the trolls are out this eve !
Remain vigilant thevigalantone. There are people out there that you will never meet and will not impact on your life in any way whatsoever that want to feel at home in themselves. Keep us warned of these subversives.
@mrs m. Not trolling just being honest.
Pervs the lot of them.
No they are not. There are all different types of people. They have every fcuking right in the world to be as happy and content as everyone else. We even allow religious people to believe what they want. It’s called “none of society’s business” unless it infringes on the rights of others. Be nice to people. There but for the roll of chance’s dice go we. Do you see?
Wow didn’t realise you were a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist yep you uncovered our secret plan to take over the world men in black are on their way to you now :)
What date will we set for his transition Mrs M? Lol!
Absolute disgrace for banning my account. Banned for p***ing off the pro-choice crowd. That’s the level of censorship in here. I know I annoy most people, but should I really be banned??
Vigilante. Are you bring pressured into being transgender? I doubt very much this is true. Please provide proof of this?
Forcing us to accept that everybody should be treated equally? This actually comes naturally to decent people. Their life doesn’t impact on you so why not, if only for this reason, accept them. Why do people fear change so much? Not understanding is no excuse for hate
@nialls. Yes everybody should be treated equally but they’re forcing us to accept the LGBT community even though it’s man made and not natural…
If you think being gay, or trans* is a choice, dear vigilant troll, I challenge you to choose to be gay, and trans* for, let’s say a month, report back to me then.
Where did I say it was a choice? It’s not a choice it’s an illness and a man made illness at that…
@Thevigilantone: Stop sniffing glue and take off your tinfoil hat
It’s the 2 people agreeing with this sick fcuker that worries me more.
Well done to all. A tiny change that makes a world of difference to some. Why does this fall under Social Protection though? Surely it should be under Department of Justice or Department of Health.
Kudos.
That took balls.
Almost literally in some cases…
Another effort by the elites to destroy Western Civilization through Cultural Marxism.. The steady rise of the right will hopefully see a reverse in most of this lunacy which has been foisted upon us in recent years.
We must oppose all attempts by this baying mob to indoctrinate young impressionable children with this poisonous social idealogy – we know most of these self declared liberals and far left want rid of Catholicism and Christianity in school so they can replace it with their own poisonous doctrine
John Byrne what has religion got to do with a discussion on gender?
Jess people like that comment? Sober up people. This propaganda is getting dangerous
@John Byrne: ‘replace it with their own poisonous doctrine’, glad to see you admit Catholicism is a poisonous doctrine John, there’s hope for you yet!
@Carina.
Did you miss the memo? This is the new state religion – the Doctrine is sacred and unquestionable, you must believe in it for fear of reprimand, we must bow to liberalism and cultural marxism. 50 Genders to choose from, Praise be.
@Nialls.
Yes the propaganda is quite dangersous. Pushed and heralded by every main stream media outlet on a daily basis. The Gospel of liberalism must reach the unwashed masses.
@God.
Oh here comes the comedian, like you might actually be the first to create a God Social media account.. How original..
Christianity teaches good morals – right and wrong, good and evil – it forms the basis of our society and culture.European cultures is built on judeo – Christian values.
Forgive me though if I don’t celebrate the removal of one unquestionable faith to be replaced by another more totalitarian version.
This new state religion makes 1940s catholic Ireland look tame
That’s a lot of anger John. You should pray
@John Byrne:
Part of the problem is the kind of attitude that Nialls displays. Nialls says that it doesn’t impact on other people’s lives and of course that is not true. It impacts on how they are allowed to speak and think and also coerced into accepting a mental disorder as something else.
For examples of how it affects other we need only look at the authoritarian laws being introduced in Canada. The case of professor Jordan Peterson in particular is instructive.
@John Byrne: wrong, your low intellect is becoming more glaring with each comment, I suggest quitting while you are ahead.
Ethics, not Judeo-Christian ‘morals’, are the bedrock of European culture, from Ancient Greece, you should familiarise yourself with the great philosophers, not backward Bronze Age story books, they’re for children.
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There’s a God I can believe in
@ John Byrne. Since you brought up comedy, I think the late great Bill Hicks said it best “Humanity is a virus with shoes”. In my opinion you fit this quote nicely.
Forgive me ‘God’ .. I didn’t waste my time studying Philosophy, I have a science degree – you know? The kind that makes you employable. You seem like one of those unemployable Arts degree holders, smug and self righteous (explains the ‘God account’ ). Majored in Socrates and Plato did we? Makes for good conversation while cueing up to sign on I guess. Typical Libtard
Ethics are Moral principles – the basis of my point stands.
@Joe: Ah isnt it terrible professor Jordan Peterson doesn’t get his god given right to de disrespectful and insulting to transgender persons. How dare these nasty trans people demand respect and to be referred to in their true gender.
“authoritarian laws” lol
Get a grip man. If you think treating people with respect is an infringement on your rights maybe it is your own mental health issues and how they infringe on the rights of others you should be more concerned about.
@James Joseph Superior Power:
The authoritarian laws are not about treating people with respect, they are about forcing people to use prescribed language.
Surely you don’t support laws which forces people to say that which they don’t believe or support. What happened to freedom.
@Joe: I think you are a fool. But i dont have the right to insult you and call you a fool every time i meet you. Should I have that right? should professor Peterson have the right to call his students fools if he believes that they are or is it only with trans people you have an issue.
@James Joseph Superior Power:
That’s a silly analogy. The Canadian case is about forcing people to use pronouns based on a delusion. Similarly in New York, businesses are facing fines if they don’t use the invented pronoun of choice. These are attacks on freedom. this is the tyranny of identity politics.
Do you accept accept the concept of transracialism and transabledness?
That user name is already taken!
@John Byrne:
“Christianity teaches good morals – right and wrong, good and evil”
In order to believe something so demonstrably wrong you need to be either uneducated or stupid. Open a history book, or even just the Bible itself.
@Joe:
“The Canadian case is about forcing people to use pronouns based on a delusion.”
No Joe your inability to acknowledge that transgender people are just that transgender and most certainly not transabledness or transracialism is your delusion not there’s.
Can you explain why you think you are more qualified to identify another person’s gender than that person himself or know more then the extensive studied and research of the subject have found?
It would apper you have an irrational sensation of fear experienced about a person or a group of persons as well as situations that are perceived as strange or foreign. A is the fear of anything that is beyond one’s comfort zone. It’s called Xenophobia.
@Joe:
“These are attacks on freedom. this is the tyranny of identity politics.”
LMAO. Hysteria at its best.
The tyranny of identity politics is forcing a person to identify as a gender that they are not.
Do you accept the concept of of a persons right to be who they are?
Is it a good idea when politics influences medicine?
@Joe: No. But it is a good idea when medicine influences politics. That is what has happened here not the other way around.
@James Joseph Superior Power:
How have you come to that conclusion? It is political ideas not medical, that has led to the reclassification in DSM-5.
The reclassification of DSM 5 which I doubt you have read. Correctly reclassified gender dysphoria as the psychiatric illness. Being transgender is not an illness. However if it causes dysphoria, the dysphoria is what the illness is. If it was about a more socially acceptable topic let’s pick keeping the house clean for example. Should house cleaning be classed as a psychiatric illness or should the dysphoria being caused by keeping the house clean be the illness? It’s only an illness when it is cause g severe disruption to your ability to live a normal day to day life. Ya know like taking a leak in a toilet, which could be very easily solved by having unisex toilets such as are available in everyone’s home and the public appointments building etc etc.
@Joe:
“It is political ideas not medical, that has led to the reclassification in DSM-5..”
Only in paranoia land
@Carina Clarke: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/08/25/bizarre-disorder-makes-people-want-to-sever-their-own-limbs/#.WDJ1v4XXKUk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apotemnophilia
I disagree with unisex toilets as that could lead to a lot of trouble.
The links show that transgenderism might be sharing the same as listed links, just something to comprehend?
@Carina Clarke:
You say so called transgenderism is not an illness, many people would disagree. The change from DSM-4 to DSM-5 from Gender Identity Disorder is not based on medical advance but on a notion of incongruence, a matter of subjectivity.
@Alois Irlmaier:
@Alois Irlmaier:
Might i suggest that you take a look at the research that has being done on transgenderism and you will find that their is absolutely no coloration between transgender and Apotemnophilia.
Had you not jumped into so quickly to prove that you are not suffering from Xenophobia.you might not have neglected to read the article in the link you quoted. It clearly states that performing a sex change operation is one thing, and amputating a healthy limb is quite another.
The other article clearly states that “Apotemnophilia is a neurological disorder characterized by the intense and long-standing desire for amputation of a specific limb, or a need to become paralyzed, blind or deaf.” A separate definition of apotemnophilia is an “erotic interest in being or looking like an amputee”. In other words persons who have a desire to to damage their bodies. They want to have some thing wrong with their body or they find it erotic to have something wrong. Where as transgender persons are looking to correct some that is wrong with their bodies and has nothing to do with erotic desire.
Education is a wonderful thing. Its a pity people like yourself and Joe don’t try and avail of it before you try and dictate to others how to conform with your ideology as to who you think they are in order to Justify your Xenophobia.
@Joe:
“The change from DSM-4 to DSM-5 from Gender Identity Disorder is not based on medical advance but on a notion of incongruence, a matter of subjectivity.”
Any evidence to support ludicrous claim Joe.
@Joe My apologies incongruence was a factor in the change.
However incongruence and notion are two completely diffrent things.
Notions are whimsical
In psychology incongruence had a more specific definition .Carl Rogers defined congruence as the matching of experience and awareness. And not the general use of the word that has come to mean inconsistent or incompatible.
The rational thing to do would be to trust the subjectivity view of the experts and and the most qualified of all, transgender persons themselves and not the whimsical notions you come up with.
Makes as much sense as me wanting to change my skin colour, DNA is DNA and that has to change to fit the sex, a piece of paper never changed anything physical. But if they want to believe that fantasy then who am I to deny them that? Their will and their life.
Great to see progress in the world.. though it will be a tougher place in many ways, it will also be a better world, more tolerant of the differences between us.
Jeremy Corbin far right. Never thought I could use them 4 words together
@Dessie Curley: One day you might even spell his name correctly.
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