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FactCheck: You asked, we answered - suicide, austerity and the Troubles

FactCheck takes a closer look at a claim that was widely shared on social media this year.

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EARLY IN DECEMBER, we asked if you had any nagging questions remaining from 2016, about claims or facts or statistics you heard again and again over the course of the past 12 months.

We were inundated with excellent suggestions from readers, and picked out the very best ones.

For the first installment, we’re looking at the claim that there were more deaths by suicide during the era of austerity than there were during the 30 years of the Troubles.

Louise Dunne in South Dublin had seen this claim floating about on social media a lot this year, and so emailed us to ask us to check it out.

What was said

A search on Facebook indicates that this was indeed a claim that was circulated quite widely in Ireland throughout the year. It was made by anti-austerity activist Maeve Curtis, when she spoke at TV3′s the People’s Debate in Co Louth, during the general election campaign.

However, it appears to have been made most prominently by the historian Tim Pat Coogan, in comments for a Guardian article in March, and on his own blog last October, in which he wrote:

More people died by suicide during the seven years of austerity than were killed in the thirty years of the troubles.

It’s a claim that has significant rhetorical power, but is it true?

THE FACTS

Northern Ireland - The Troubles - Cupar Street - Belfast 1969 photo of Cupar Street in the Falls Road area of Belfast. PA Archive / PA Images PA Archive / PA Images / PA Images

Let’s break this into two parts: the number of deaths in The Troubles, and the number of deaths by suicide during the “austerity era”.

Deaths during The Troubles

The most authoritative source for this is the Conflict Archive on the Internet (CAIN) at Ulster University.

For 1969-2001, the figures are an updated and revised version of Malcolm Sutton’s 1994 book Bear in Mind These Dead – An Index of Deaths from the Conflict in Ireland 1969-1993.

For 2002 until present, deaths have been recorded and compiled by Dr Martin Melaugh, the director of CAIN, and a research fellow in the school of criminology, politics and social policy at Ulster University.

Although there is no official end-point to The Troubles, the conflict is generally considered to have ended with the signing of the Good Friday Agreement in 1998. For this reason, as well as Tim Pat Coogan’s reference to “30 years”, we will be treating the period on question as 1969-1998.

Fortunately, the CAIN database has already been tabulated, by the Guardian in 2010. According to that spreadsheet, the total number of conflict-related deaths between 1969 and 1998 was 3,483.

Suicides during the “austerity era”

The “austerity era” is tricky to define. The beginning of austerity in Ireland is generally regarded to have been 2008, specifically the second half of the year, which saw the Budget brought forward from December to October, as well as the bank guarantee in September.

However, Tim Pat Coogan’s claim specifies “seven years” of austerity. FactCheck asked Tim Pat Coogan which seven years he was referring to, but we didn’t receive a response. Let’s assume we’re dealing with 2008-2014.

The best available source of official figures on suicide in Ireland is the CSO, which records “intentional deaths” each year. According to that data, there were a total of 3,594 deaths by suicide.

That’s very slightly above the 3,483 deaths linked to the Troubles between 1969 and 1998.

Rollingnews - 4 TIM PAT COOGAN 00018693 The historian Tim Pat Coogan. RollingNews.ie RollingNews.ie

There are a couple of things to bear in mind here. When it comes to the Troubles, there have been deaths (particularly in the last 15 years) which could not be definitively determined to have been linked to the conflict.

So the figure of 3,483 could be an understatement of the reality.

And when it comes to suicides, CSO figures are limited to deaths that are definitively determined to have been intentional, and campaigners and professionals in related fields have often warned these figures may be understating the true numbers.

However, the CSO does have an additional classification – for deaths where there was an “undetermined intent”.

It’s important to note that these are not necessarily all “hidden” suicides, but rather they are suggestive of a greater number of suicides than is reflected in the official data.

If we include all deaths of “undetermined intent”, along with those officially deemed “intentional”, the toll rises to 4,073.

When it comes to the years 2007-2014, it does certainly appear that the number of deaths by suicide was greater than the number of deaths during the Troubles. So the claim, as articulated by Tim Pat Coogan, is Mostly TRUE.

But only as it relates to those specific years.  The number of officially recorded suicides in Ireland between 2008 and 2013, for example (which is perhaps a fairer reflection of the most difficult period of austerity in Ireland), was 3,135, less than the confirmed death toll during the Troubles.

If we include all deaths of “undetermined intent”, we get 3,552, only 100 more than were recorded in the Troubles.

But not every one of those “undetermined” deaths will have been suicides, so even if we’re somewhat liberal in interpreting these deaths from 2008-2013, we’re still unlikely to come up with a toll higher than that of the 1969-1998 conflict.

So when it comes to the “austerity era”, defining the years in question makes a difference, statistically.

Did austerity cause those suicides?

Obviously we can’t answer that question for each individual tragedy.

Firstly, suicide is an extremely complicated phenomenon, often with many personal, psychiatric, medical, economic, and family-related background causes, as well as contributing factors and triggers.

And secondly, basic privacy issues quite rightly mean there is no way to examine each case and sort through those causes.

So making a statement about suicides in “the austerity era” appears to be an indirect way to link suicides to austerity, causally.

The implication in this claim is that the background of economic austerity caused or contributed to the suicides – something that for very good reason cannot be comprehensively verified.

But we can examine whether there was an association between the levels of austerity, and the rate of suicide.

Let’s check out the number of officially recorded suicides, and the suicide rate, each year between 2000-2015.

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Obviously, every suicide is one too many, and each one is its own unique tragedy. However, for the purposes of analysing a trend, the most salient measure is the suicide rate, and not the number of suicides.

This is a (very understandable) mistake that is often made by people who point to the rising or falling number of suicides in a given year as evidence of a particular external cause.

The suicide rate takes into account changes in population, and so is the better measure when doing any sort of year-on-year analysis.

So let’s take the suicide rate (the number of deaths per 100,000 people in the population), and map that on to the trend in unemployment and government spending – two good measures of the era of austerity.

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The trend is ambiguous here. If there were a solid, strong association between the rate of unemployment and the rate of suicide, we should expect the two lines to rise and fall together.

That’s not exactly what this chart shows.

While unemployment remained flat between 2000 and 2007, the suicide rate largely fell, from 12.8 per 100,000 in 2000, to 10.5 in 2007.

Although there were significant increases in both measures between 2007 and 2009, an increase in unemployment in 2010 was accompanied by a sharp drop in the rate of suicide.

And to confound things further, there was a steady decline in both the unemployment and suicide rates in the four years between 2012 and 2015.

So, some association, but some divergence, too.

Let’s look at government spending. For this, we’ve taken quarterly net government spending, averaged it out for each year, and then adjusted for inflation, using an annual average of the CSO’s Consumer Price Index, set to November 2016 prices.

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If there were a strong association between government spending and the rate of suicide, we could expect that as one rises, the other falls.

That’s only partly what we’re seeing here. The clearest trend is from 2003 to 2007, when government spending rose steadily, and the suicide rate fell steadily.

But look at 2010, when a sharp decline in government spending was accompanied by a sharp decline in the suicide rate.

And between 2011 and 2013, spending fell somewhat, while the suicide rate fell significantly.

Then again, a moderate increase in spending between 2013 and 2015 was accompanied by a moderate drop in the rate of suicide.

So the data does not back up a clear and unambiguous association between the rate of suicide and either the level of government spending or the unemployment rate.

Of course, you could argue that perhaps any decline in the rate of suicide would have been even more pronounced if it weren’t for increasing unemployment and decreasing government spending.

But proving that would require a level of case-by-case examination that is simply not possible.

In addition, if you make this argument about years where unemployment rose but the suicide rate fell (or spending increased and the suicide rate also increased), you would by definition have to accept that, whatever impact unemployment and spending had, it was not sufficient to outweigh the impact of countervailing forces.

However, there’s one important factor we haven’t looked at yet – gender.

Let’s see what association we can find between suicide and unemployment among women and men.

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As you can see, there is basically no association here between the two measures. As female unemployment remains flat between 2000 and 2008, the rate of suicide dips and rises from year to year, with no clear pattern.

And while unemployment soars between 2008 and 2010 (from 4.9% to 9.9%), the rate of suicide drops dramatically.

Now let’s examine unemployment and suicide among men in Ireland, during the same period.

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The association is striking. The rise in male unemployment from 2007 to 2011 is mirrored by a similar rise in the male suicide rate, with a sharp rise in both in 2009.

And as the unemployment rate plateaus, and then begins to drop in 2011, the rate of suicide does likewise.

From 2007 to 2013, the curve is almost identical in both measures, suggesting a strong association between male unemployment and the rate of male suicide.

This broadly reflects the findings of a 2015 study by researchers at UCC and the National Suicide Research Foundation, which found that the biggest impact of the recession on suicide and self-harm was felt among men, in particular men aged 25-44.

So there you have it:

  • Yes, there probably were more deaths by suicide during the “austerity era” than the Troubles (but it depends on what years you include in the “austerity era”)
  • Yes, while no suicide can be attributed to only one cause, there was at least a significant association between the rates of male suicide and male unemployment, especially from 2008-2011
  • When it comes to rates of suicide and unemployment among women, the association is weak.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 1:49 PM

    121k to design a hut. Pull the other one.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 2:05 PM

    @Llennoc: and 190k to rent a temporary security hut during construction period. The Golden circle are allowed to plunder the tax take, with a nod and a wink. No wonder there’s such a gap in society, the range rover brigade get their money so easy, no work involved

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    Sep 27th 2024, 1:51 PM

    Who got the job and let us see all the quotes

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    Sep 27th 2024, 2:04 PM

    OPW is in cahoots wirh certain CCTV and security companies across the country at ALL OPW sites…. i know for a fact, as i’m in the game. This in itself needs investigating.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 2:44 PM

    @Steve Davis: I think maybe you need to supply the information you have to the gardai and expose what is going on

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    Sep 27th 2024, 4:58 PM

    @Tony Lyons: he’s snookered now…..

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    Sep 27th 2024, 6:27 PM

    @JB Software: quality comment

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    Sep 27th 2024, 1:52 PM

    No one is questioning the need for security… but seriously, the cost is ridiculous…. this is not government money, this is taxpayers money… there seems not to be any proper scrutiny from the opw on spending our money.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 2:07 PM

    @R kelly: opw are just one state organisation. There’s others that spend vastly more money, the waste is incredible.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 2:48 PM

    @R kelly: the cost for the equipment fit out isn’t unreasonable

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    Sep 27th 2024, 7:54 PM

    @Pat Hazzard: Mr Pathetic trotted out by Fianna Fail to defend the indefensible. If Jimmy Saville was from FF, you would still come on here defending him, sad pathetic shill.

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    Sep 28th 2024, 1:54 AM

    @Pat Hazzard: are you off your tree ?

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    Sep 27th 2024, 2:09 PM

    Here’s the real breakdown.
    Cost of hut 429k.
    Cost of scam 1m.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 2:14 PM

    The OPW has a ‘Panel’ of three ‘Approved Security Suppliers’. Palms have to be seriously greased to get on that panel.
    Once you’re on the panel, you are in cahoots with the other 2 companies and everyone agrees to ramp their quotes up by 400%. (Thats actually how it works)….
    The OPW then gets 3 quotes, one off each of their ‘approved suppliers’ so its seen to comply with tendering laws – regardless of the fact they are getting fleeced and could get it €100 of thousands cheaper elsewhere….

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    Sep 27th 2024, 6:12 PM

    @Steve Davis: You seem to know a good bit about this. you should become a whistleblower.
    Write to the Gards, to Journos, try take pics of documents that prove what you are saying and get the word out.
    no point moaning about it in the Journal comments. Go do something about it.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 1:47 PM

    It’s so easy to spend somebody else’s money. Disgusting.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 1:55 PM

    Not their money so no one cares.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 2:36 PM

    People responsible need to be held to account. It’s very close to criminal what has gone on here.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 2:47 PM

    The Minister with responsibility for the OPW must be hiding in the HUT, no sign of him for the past fortnight.

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    I’m so fed up of this country.

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    The civil servants are running/ruining this country get them out,sack them all

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    Sep 27th 2024, 2:05 PM

    @Paul: when there’s no accountability, they’ll do what they please.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 3:02 PM

    @Paul: then you’ll have nobody to process your dole.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 3:05 PM

    @Tony Murphy: it’s being happening for years, and did you think the days of the brown envelope was gone.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 2:11 PM

    Where going off the rails on this gravy train
    Some gig getting a government contract .

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    Sep 27th 2024, 2:06 PM

    191k replacement security system

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    Sep 27th 2024, 2:30 PM

    Would they need to build a fortress around them if they were a popular government? The lorry that rammed the gates of leinster House in 2010 was driven by a very frustrated gentleman,frustrated that this very pack of muppits drove the country of a cliff by refusing to listen to all the warnings given to them at the time. They will do it again and will need protecting.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 3:31 PM

    Who signs off on these? Is there not a minister responsible for the OPW? After all it is taxpayers money they are throwing out.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 3:38 PM

    It’s a thundering disgrace but they will have a right laugh at the christmas party about how they can do whatever they want and not have to worry about getting pulled up on it. Pissing away tax payers money is so deeply embedded in the civil service it will never change.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 2:49 PM

    Government Contracts means Gravy Train for the chosen few. No questions asked. Sickening.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 2:21 PM

    Did they never hear of Ring Door bells..

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    Sep 27th 2024, 3:01 PM

    3 instances is a pattern

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    Sep 27th 2024, 4:40 PM

    that’s just the tip of the iceberg !
    these showers are not fit for purpose and should be inquired on everything they do, on everything they get (perks, advantages, money, pensions etc…)
    Name and shame, get the money back, do not vote for them anymore …

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    Sep 27th 2024, 4:02 PM

    Heads should roll at OPW. Crazy spending spree their on.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 4:37 PM

    It’s a security hut, not MI5s headquarters. They must have some James Bond gadegts going on in that hut, or Sensori got the contract.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 5:29 PM

    I’d like to see the security footage of the bike shed being built from this state of the art security building. As I hear there was robbery happening at the time.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 5:39 PM

    In fairness, when the Russians come, we all know where to go. For that money, it should hold all 5 million of us and room for a pony.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 2:45 PM

    https://jrnl.ie/6498460
    All Sinn Féin’s fault though, and to a lesser extent the Social Democrats. You can see how the government have risen in the polls though

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    Sep 27th 2024, 7:51 PM

    We need Monuments to the Largesse of our Elite that represent our entitled Govt, Civil Service & “Public Service Broadcaster RTE”. The Bike Shelter & Security Hut, as Stephen Matthews described as “Beautiful”, are representative of how the Elite regard themselves & a total disregard of those who work hard & pay their taxes. It has been ever so in Ireland for decades now, a country where the select Elite thrive in a country rotten to the core. Nothing will ever change, there will always be another NCH, Bike Shelter, Security Hut, followed by the faux outrage of the Elite & the oft used “Lessons Learned”.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 3:08 PM

    If we stopped calling it a “hut” it would help. It’s a state of the art security office at the entrance to our highest government building.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 3:29 PM

    @Martin O Connell: yes and the bike shed is the taj mahal. If this level of security is needed then why are the military not guarding it.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 5:00 PM

    @Martin O Connell: OK, we’ll call it sorasoatetohgb for short.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 6:10 PM

    @Martin O Connell: with a 60,000 euro roof ,stop trying to defend this shite givt

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    Sep 27th 2024, 10:50 PM

    The d Hotel in drogheda was paid 5.3 million for the first 3 or 6 months to house asylum seeks why didn’t we buy it and city west and money hundreds of millions spent and nothing to show for it 190k to rent a security hut why didn’t opw buy it nothing to show for it

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    Sep 28th 2024, 8:40 AM

    Hold on, eu 121,000+ spent on design ! Sounds like OPW engaged consultants for the design. Why? The OPW has their own architects, so why did they need consultants. What were the OPW architects doing, what are they being paid for? Scandalous.

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    Sep 27th 2024, 7:04 PM

    Must have been a lot of brown envelopes involved

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    Sep 27th 2024, 4:37 PM

    Great to see all the learned comments from all the security and construction cost experts here today………

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    Sep 27th 2024, 6:12 PM

    @chris gaffney: that’s it !
    Common sense tells you this is a totally overpriced POS.
    But here comes Chris trying to tell us it’s all fine .
    Feck off chris

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    Sep 27th 2024, 7:20 PM

    construction industry needs to be regulated! Seriously!

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