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'Ireland would be the biggest loser from a breakup of the EU': Irish MEPs on Europe's future

We asked a handful of Irish MEPs on what the New Year holds for Europe.

WHAT IS GOING to happen next in Europe is anyone’s guess.

The intense negotiations between Greece and the heads of EU financial institutions last year was the first major signal of the European Union’s weakness.

What followed was Greece’s left wing Syriza party reneging on its promise to end austerity and continuing to implement financial policies which Prime Minister Alexis Tsiparas argued strongly against before his election.

With Brexit to reckon with in the New Year, we’re forced to stare in the face of the flaws that go with the EU, which was created out of hope for a peaceful Europe bound together by free trade, unlimited movement of citizens, and a unified approach on issues such as climate change and upholding human rights.

Other EU developments that hint at fractures within the organisation include the Belgian region of Wallonia grinding an EU trade deal with Canada to a halt, and the differing opinions on how to meet the demands created by the migrant crisis.

And that’s not to mention the rise of far-right parties across Europe, threatening to bring the continent back to it’s World War past rather than a prosperous future.

So where is it headed?

With upcoming elections in both France and Germany, you’d wonder whether the EU’s political representatives are feeling a little on edge about the future of the project.

So we asked a few Irish Members of the European Parliament (MEPs), including the Vice-President of the European Parliament.

Mairead McGuinness MEP and Vice-President of the European Parliament, says:

“In 2017, the European Union is facing a number of challenges – individually they are not existential challenges, but cumulatively they could cause problems:

  • The start of Brexit negotiations and unravelling 40 years of integration
  • Elections in the member states with uncertain outcomes
  • A resurgent Russia
  • A USA that seems to be moving towards protectionism and nationalism
  • Populism
  • Terrorism
  • Economic and technological change
  • Youth unemployment.

“But it is too early to sound the death knell for the European Union. One of the benefits of Brexit is that it has prompted debate, in the European Parliament and elsewhere, on how the European Union needs to continue to evolve to deal with these challenges.”

Brexit

And what a debate it has sparked.

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The referendum on the 23 June fractured the symbiotic and peaceful foundations of Europe in the hope that individual countries will come out better off because of it.

Whether Britain does thrive outside of the EU depends on the deal they cut with other member states, but McGuinness says that the negotiations will be important for the other 27 member states too.

“Brexit could kill or cure Europe. It is our choice and determination which will determine the outcome and as I see it, the EU-27 are strong in their resolve to remain united and forward looking. Brexit has to be dealt with but it cannot consume the EU when there are other things to do.

People are fearful of the future and are not sure that Europe is doing all it should for them. There is also a sense that the EU may be interfering too much in member state issues, being too prescriptive. We need to debate these issues and deal with them rather than allowing these ideas to fester.

Surprisingly, other MEPs don’t seem too concerned by Brexit as it’s not mentioned much (either that or they’re sick of talking about it).

Things that concern them far more is the perception that the European Union is for ‘elites’ and where far-right politics might take Europe.

Elites

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Matt Carthy who represents Sinn Féin and the Midlands North West, is slightly more concerned about Europe compared to his Fine Gael counterparts.

“The European Union now faces a very real existential crisis. More and more citizens across all European states have become disconnected with the whole direction of the EU project.

The cause of this isn’t populism or refugees or even Brexit. It is the failure of EU leaders to respect the democratic process, the concerns of citizens and the needs of society.

He disagrees with the idea of breaking up the European Union, and says instead there needs to be reform to salvage the traits worth saving.

“There are areas in which there is clearly a role for a European Union such as tackling climate change, delivering financial and corporate transparency and addressing the migration crisis.

“But the EU is failing on all these fronts because its leaders are concentrating instead on absorbing powers which should rightly be the business of national parliaments.”

McGuinness agrees that this is an issue, saying “In 2017, the EU needs to be strong and resolute – and it needs to work for citizens. Citizens need a sense of ownership of the EU: that it is there for them, not just for so-called elites, and that they are part of the project.”

Far-right

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The biggest concern for Europe seems to be the rise of far-right politics as a solution for economic difficulty and a protest against multiculturalism.

Deirdre Clune says that MEPs will be “closely watching” the results of elections in France, Netherlands and Germany, as some candidates promise to take their countries out of the EU if elected.

Brian Hayes agrees with his Fine Gael colleague, and goes a step further, to say that “Europe’s biggest threat right now is the rise of nationalist politics”.

At a time of unprecedented peace and stability across the EU – we now face the enemy within. And that enemy is nationalism.

“We know to our cost from European history, the totally destructive forces that nationalism can unleash. The EU has over the past 50 years provided a bridgehead away from war and nationalism and towards cooperation and peace.

“It’s not perfect by a long shot and certainly needs reforming, but without the EU smaller counties, like Ireland, would face a very uncertain future dominated by larger counties in their region.

A European country

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All MEPs say that the dismantling of the European Union would be disastrous for Ireland, with Brian Hayes suggesting that “Ireland would be the biggest loser from a breakup of the EU”.

“We depend on trade more than most because we are small and need to export. The break up of the EU means no single market for our goods and services and would represent the biggest challenge to our economy since independence.

The break up of the EU means no Euro, no EU supervision of our banks, no ESM which stands behind the Euro, no access to the ECB? Do we want that after the Irish banking crises?

Clune says that more needs to be done to communicate with citizens about what happens in the European Union.

“For instance, what does completing the Single Digital market mean? To me it means that a business in a remote spot in West Cork with access to high speed broadband can operate in any state across Europe without a single barrier.

“It means that a consumer in West Kerry can purchase services or products from any point in Europe free from geo-blocking, taxes or tariffs. All the elements involved in delivering these scenarios are part of ongoing work in Brussels.”

Between 1972 and 2014, Ireland received €72.5 billion from the EU, while it contributed approximately €30 billion to invest in infrastructure, education, research and other services.

‘Fight back’

Meanwhile, Hayes agrees that the EU is worth keeping, but that it does need to change: “Without necessary reforms, such as complete banking union and economic convergence, the Euro will not deliver its potential and the Europe will continue to be the sick man of the world”.

Even Carthy, who would come from a party of Eurosceptics, agrees that the bond between the 27 remaining EU countries should be saved:

“We need a new Europe based on social solidarity and co-operation among states, not the current drive towards a neo-liberal superstate. Above all, the EU must insert democratic values into the centre of all its decision-making.”

McGuinness says that the European Union has qualities that are worth fighting for, and that “it’s time to fight back and talk about what Europe means, the good it has done and what remains to be done”.

“We are not good at saying what Europe does well. It’s sometimes forgotten that EU membership is voluntary and involves member states sharing responsibilities in some policy areas.

Member states also need to be more responsible and stop blaming the EU for all national problems.
It is often member states at the Council who fail to take decisions or block decision that result in the EU looking like it is ineffective.

“There are lots of problems facing us, but our job as politicians is to find solutions and not to just wring our hands in despair.”

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    Mute Dave Murray
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    Mar 3rd 2016, 3:42 PM

    Fianna Fail won’t whoosh you into the Seanad this time, Averil! The people have spoken.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:44 PM

    Might give Eddie Murphy a vote. He’s very talented and it would be good to have a voice that represents African-Americans in the Seanad.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 7:04 PM

    May as well addd Redacted, Rehab Flannery Shatter and Conlon to the list.
    How many on the list voted to abolish the Seanad? Mc Dowell was one.

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    Mute Luke Kelly
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    Mar 3rd 2016, 3:41 PM

    No Mullens, no Bacik, no Averil Power.

    That would be senate reform right there. We don’t need these regressives in a modern Ireland.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 3:44 PM

    So only people who share with your outlook eh Luke. Yeah that’s sounds great.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:25 PM

    Fianna Fáil are back. How else would this waster get the nod?

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    Mute Fear Uisce
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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:25 PM

    Agreed. But it needs a lot more reform than just those three. All the electorate should be able to elect the Seanad not just those who have gone to certain educational institutions.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:26 PM

    Agreed with likes comment

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:32 PM

    I dont like those candidates either but at least they came through some sort of an Election. Lorraine Higgins on the other hand represents everything that is wrong with the Seanad. That this person who has failed every election at Local , national and European level gets given a position of power in the Seanad I find absolutely repulsive. Reform needs to start by taking away party nominations for failed politicians.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 5:33 PM

    Don’t vote for them Luke

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 7:47 PM

    Not sure I like Power but you could hardly call her regressive.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:30 PM

    God I’m sick of Ivana Bacik. Totally unelectable yet they keep giving her a seat in the Senate to spout shite from. Hope she goes the same way as the rest of Labour

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    Mar 4th 2016, 7:46 AM

    My issue with Ivana being in the Seanad is that she takes one of the few seats real people can vote for. It isn’t as obvious this time but why did she get a university seat in Seanad 2011 and then sit with the government side. She should have been nominated by labour and let someone the public might want get one of the 6 seats some former students can pick.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:04 PM

    Anyone know if Mairia Cahill is standing again? She seems to have disappeared since she got elected.

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    Mute IrishGravyTrain
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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:23 PM

    She is not needed anymore. General Election is over. Labour have more important worries about remaining relevant then trying to have a go at Sinn Fein again.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:38 PM

    that was just weird. I thought she would be a voice for women in the Dail. But she said nothing about the funding of the Rape Crisis Centre being cut by Labour.

    And as far as I know, she has remained silent on the abuse of Grace, the special needs lady, abused for decades in her foster home.

    I find that very strange. Why did she go into the Seanad, I wonder?

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:51 PM

    Her UNCLE will be pleased.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 5:09 PM

    i told her to give it a rest about smearing SF every turn around and do something positive with her role – she blocked me from Twitter.

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    Mute Rusty Balls
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    Mar 3rd 2016, 8:47 PM

    Jesus is there anything Avril Power won’t try to get into, she’s well named?

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    Mar 4th 2016, 7:47 AM

    Please God she isn’t.

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    Mar 4th 2016, 7:51 AM

    She used her dreadful abuse as a political tool and that was all she did. It always seemed to me that she was more damaged by SF than any actual abuse she suffered. As an abuse victim myself she certainly doesn’t speak for me. I think she is a disgrace.

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    Mar 4th 2016, 7:53 AM

    Just shows you what kind of a yoke she is. You gave her good advice.

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    Mute marylou o donnell
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    Mar 3rd 2016, 3:42 PM

    I can hear the slurping of gravy from here.

    Get rejected by the electorate? Not to worry, you can have power without accountability, by being elected by a few thousand non accountable nobodies to the unelected Seanad. By the looks of this list, we should have abolished it

    Ivana Bacik? Ronan Mullen? Micheal McDowell? Seriously?

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:10 PM

    Am I an unaccountable nobody?

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:48 PM

    Marylou thinks so.
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    ust looked at your twitter Marylou. Can see you are against just about everything. Was wondering what are you actually for, besides North Korea, Anarchy, don’t pay for anything, hand out for everything life style?

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 5:54 PM

    Am I? That’s news to me. Perhaps you could elaborate. I don’t know anything about North Korea, so have no idea what you are trying to infer there.

    And what does it have to do with the Seanad election?

    Do you think I should not have an opinion, as well as no vote?

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    Mute Seán J. Troy
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    Mar 3rd 2016, 6:04 PM

    The franchise should undoubtedly be expanded. It’s unfair that I get to vote and you don’t. But that doesn’t make me an unaccountable nobody.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 6:27 PM

    Well yeah it does hun. Because you have been elevated over the likes of me, but you are a nobody just like me.

    Why should you get a vote just because you went to university? In what way, are you accountable for who you vote to rule over the rest of us?

    If you had any integrity you would boycott it. It is an elitest misnomer in a modern democracy.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 6:50 PM

    As I said elsewhere, I’m thinking of spoiling my ballot. I haven’t decided yet.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:13 PM

    Alice Mary Higgins daughter of Michael D. Cosy!

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 3:41 PM

    Can we have that referendum again to abolish it Got the result wrong the last time Retirement home for failed politicians They should be signing on instead

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:05 PM

    People said no to abolishing it so nobody to blame but the electorate

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:27 PM

    I voted to abolish, who can I complain to?

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:34 PM

    Ronan bloody mullen enough said .wants to take us back to a 50′s church dominated state

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    Mute marylou o donnell
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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:39 PM

    Has Ronan Mullen ever had a real job? He lists his occupation as Senator.

    Same for David Norris?

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:51 PM

    According to Wiki, Mullen is a lecturer in IT Blanchardstown. Norris was a lecturer in TCD, but was on disability payment from 1994-2010 before giving up his post. Two charlatans if you ask me.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 5:57 PM

    Thanks Ben, I had forgotten about Norris. Mullen and Bacik are enough to make the case, that no one should be able to do more than one stint on the gravy train.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:23 PM

    All looking for seats on the gravy train.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:22 PM

    What ever happened to our reform of the Senate? A nation of idiots

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:29 PM

    Handy job for them,, a shower of wasters

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:21 PM

    What happened to seanad reform? One man one vote. If you went to an IT no vote. If you don’t go to college no vote.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 5:15 PM

    The same feninist and ex nuns pushing there moral agenda down people’s throats. It’s a retirement home or a holding centre for the unelectable. It’s has never held any government to account only rubber stamps legislation written by lobbists to enrich themselves. We are no longer a sovereign country we are a small second class state of Europe with .04% of the European population paying back 44% of the debt from bankers fraud. On top of that we pay over 3 billion a year for the privilege of having a Seanad.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:24 PM

    Sigh the people had a chance to rid themselves of this waste of money motel talking shop. The total reform promise of the Dail and Seanad that the people demanded and that was disgracefully reneged on by FG/Lab must now be implemented by any future government.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:28 PM

    Imagine what Enda and Joan would have got up to without the Seanad to put some manners on them. And yes I know it would only have disappeared after the election

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 5:13 PM

    The Seanad in its current form has never put manners on anyone or anything it’s packed mostly with a bunch of cronies and patsies and losers and some extreme left bubbling pseudo intellectuals. The people wanted total reform of these institutions but Kenny the arrogant fool decided to snub the electorate as anyone in their right mind would have known given his form.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:09 PM

    First time Trinity voter here, does anybody know where we actually get information on the candidates?

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:15 PM

    Google. ;)

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:23 PM

    They’ll send information to you.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:24 PM

    I’d spoil it if I were you in protest of the fact there has been no reform. Show a bit of solidarity with us saps who don’t have a Senate vote.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 5:42 PM

    They send it out to ya…

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 5:49 PM

    Ladies and gentleman I give you trinity graduates.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 5:55 PM

    There’s this thing called the internet. Ask one of your lecturers about it. It’s great!

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    Mute Seán J. Troy
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    Mar 3rd 2016, 6:07 PM

    I have used google. It’s not the same as a general election where I’m going to be swarmed with canvassers, posters and TV coverage. It’s going to be harder to find out about the candidates and seeing as I’m not in Trinity anymore, I was wondering how they were planning on communicating with me as a voter and trying to get my vote.

    If Trinity are sending it out, grand. And Ron, I am actually thinking about spoiling the ballot. I did vote to keep the Seanad, but only in the hope that they’d reform it to give everyone the franchise. Even the fact that Trinity has far more senators per student than the National University system is a disgrace.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 7:50 PM

    You’ll get the election literature in the post from the candidates. 30 candidates for NUI panel. That’s just plain stupid. When I first voted in this there were 6 candidates.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 9:23 PM

    How many were elected by the graduates back then though?

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    Mute Michael Sands
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    Mar 3rd 2016, 4:50 PM

    Why do the ordinary joe soap not allowed to pick the eejits they want instead of snobby lazy students?

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 7:51 PM

    Snobby lazy students don’t get to vote, just graduates

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    Mar 4th 2016, 6:49 PM

    Just snobby lazy graduates then lol.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 7:22 PM

    Cahill on her way out , Fine Gael / Labour used her as a monkey last year, she is no good to them now. So she can crawl back under her rock.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 5:19 PM

    I think Lynne Ruane would be a good choice! No nonsense approach and got where she is through courage, perseverance and damn hard work.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 7:53 PM

    I don’t give a damn what anyone else here thinks.
    I’m voting for Ronan Mullen just to piss all you mofos off.

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 6:01 PM

    Scrap it for all the good it does more jobs for the boys

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 5:54 PM

    Unfair that I can vote for some of these candidates while many cannot.

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    Mar 28th 2016, 11:18 PM

    What does Carol Hunt know about ANYTHING?

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 6:04 PM

    Senate a spare wheel

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    Apr 14th 2016, 10:55 AM

    i am eligible to vote in the seanad elections maynooth panel. how do i get a rundown on the candidates?

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    Mar 3rd 2016, 3:42 PM

    a lot of talent there…

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